India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

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Postby sanjaykumar » 13 Sep 2019 11:00

Kashi wrote:
sanjaykumar wrote:The Khan of certain dubious libations fame, unless she has Indian citizenship...


She's from J&K, I believe.



I do believe if people are so miserable in India or Nottingham or the US, they should be provided all facilities to move to greener pastures be it Pakistan, Saudi Arabia etc. Perhaps the rest of us can set up a fund. Crowd source your way to the sh!thole of your choice.

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Postby Arjun » 13 Sep 2019 11:08

While we give all this attention to Furkan Khan, Pramila Jayapal & Ro Khanna might be bigger liabilities for US-India relations... :wink:

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Postby Vayutuvan » 13 Sep 2019 11:22

sanjaykumar wrote:Push back as in clever tweets? Aghast and appalled letters to the editor? A sins of the white man webpage in some corner of the internet? You need to be in a position to cancel a 100 aircraft order with Boeing, in favour of Airbus. That is the best form of conditioning. India is there.

all four avenues need to be pursued vigorously. they are not mutually exclusive. we can have 50cent Terracotta Army of our own. that is how shatakarni defeated chandragupta vikramaditya.

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Postby sanjaykumar » 13 Sep 2019 11:31

How successful have the Chinese 50 centers been?

I once wrote an erudite note to the ‘newspaper of record’. It displayed originality and, if I may say so, a sophisticated intelligence. It was not published. That was my last attempt to provide a corrective. I also have not bought the paper since.

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Postby chetak » 13 Sep 2019 13:40

This may not be the most appropriate thread but there seems to be nowhere else to post this.

the thought process here is by itself incredible.

do we have a similar person(s)/process covering pukiland because most of the time we seem to be coasting along on a wing and a prayer with the usual malborough chaap desi cowboys skulking about in the background.



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this is also one memo that #Rumsfeld shared with #Bush



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Postby Vayutuvan » 13 Sep 2019 21:28

sanjaykumar wrote:How successful have the Chinese 50 centers been?

I once wrote an erudite note to the ‘newspaper of record’. It displayed originality and, if I may say so, a sophisticated intelligence. It was not published. That was my last attempt to provide a corrective. I also have not bought the paper since.


"If you don't read newspapers you are ill informed. if you read you are misinformed" - somebody (Mark Twain?)

Leaving that aside, we need to counter information warfare. on top of that, we should start our own offensives. it is a way of building confidence in our diplomatic Corp. if and when it comes to blows, our soldiers will know that our people are with them. What did the US in in Vietnam was the divisions within the country, perhaps.

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Postby Haresh » 13 Sep 2019 21:56

India: Hindu Nationalist Files Police Complaint Against Netflix for ‘Hinduphobia’

Check the comments out.

https://www.breitbart.com/national-secu ... duphobia/#

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Postby Mort Walker » 13 Sep 2019 22:23

Haresh wrote:India: Hindu Nationalist Files Police Complaint Against Netflix for ‘Hinduphobia’

Check the comments out.

https://www.breitbart.com/national-secu ... duphobia/#


No. Breitbart is a cesspool of idiots and racists. There is no point in reading their comments.

I’m hoping Disney and Netflix battle it out come this fall.

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Postby Cain Marko » 14 Sep 2019 01:49

If folks are really interested in changing narrative about India, they need to create third party institutes that collect data about tsp and anti India forces at large and bring out reports that are then consumed by msm. GOI should be funding this and academics in the US sympathetic to the cause need to be recruited en masse. boards should be hand picked. Preferably from BR :twisted:

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Postby Deans » 15 Sep 2019 13:41

Having a non Indian name helps when commenting on a western news item. I have a greater chance of being published posting as `Deans' than my
first name `Rahul'. Also, it helps to stick to facts (particularly when the facts are on our side) rather than opinions.

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Postby kit » 15 Sep 2019 14:57

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/trump-confirms-killing-of-osama-bin-ladens-son-hamza-putting-spotlight-on-pakistan/articleshow/71129369.cms


While the White House statement did not go into precise details of how he was eliminated, accounts that first surfaced on social media claimed Hamza was being escorHamza’s death, purportedly in a special operation carried out months ago, had been reported by US media through intel leaks. It was not clear why the White House chose this moment to confirm it and why there wasn’t more precision about the location

ted in a Pakistan army aviation flight from Islamabad airport when the plane nosedived in a residential area near the Pakistani army headquarters in Rawalpindi. Reports at that time said US personnel collaborated with Afghans and brought down the plane knowing it carried Hamza.


looks like a covert op inside pakistan 8)


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Postby krithivas » 16 Sep 2019 22:09

Folks - Are there non-profit type organizations/institutions in US that actively promote an Indian point of view? A bunch of us are looking for such existing infrastructure to work with (instead of creating from scratch).

Cain Marko wrote:If folks are really interested in changing narrative about India, they need to create third party institutes that collect data about tsp and anti India forces at large and bring out reports that are then consumed by msm. GOI should be funding this and academics in the US sympathetic to the cause need to be recruited en masse. boards should be hand picked. Preferably from BR :twisted:

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Postby Vips » 17 Sep 2019 02:59

Try OFBJP.ORG

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Postby VenkataS » 17 Sep 2019 03:03

krithivas wrote:Folks - Are there non-profit type organizations/institutions in US that actively promote an Indian point of view? A bunch of us are looking for such existing infrastructure to work with (instead of creating from scratch).

Cain Marko wrote:If folks are really interested in changing narrative about India, they need to create third party institutes that collect data about tsp and anti India forces at large and bring out reports that are then consumed by msm. GOI should be funding this and academics in the US sympathetic to the cause need to be recruited en masse. boards should be hand picked. Preferably from BR :twisted:


Look up Rajiv Malhotra who is trying to promote an Indian narrative.

Vamsi Juluri is another one who tries to defend Indian point of view.

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Postby VikramA » 17 Sep 2019 08:46

Found this on Twitter. Don't know if it has been posted before. Interesting read-

President Barack Obama has quietly reversed a policy initiated by former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, to "get Narendra Modi" — ostensibly for the 2002 Gujarat riots, but in actuality "for taking stands that may be different from that favoured by the US administration" — in the words of a senior analyst in New York.

"Hillary Clinton likes to operate through NGOs, which are given funding through indirect channels, and which target individuals and countries seen as less than respectful to her views on foreign and domestic policy in the target countries," a retired US official now based in Atlanta said. He claimed that "rather than US NGOs, (the former) Secretary of State Clinton favoured operating through organisations based in the Netherlands, Denmark and the Scandinavian countries, especially Norway" as these were outside the radar of big power politics. These NGOs were active in the agitation against the Russian nuclear power plant at Kudankulam in Tamil Nadu, with "funding coming mainly from a religious organisation based in Europe that has close links with France".

Incidentally, French companies are in direct competition with Russian rivals in seeking to expand the market for nuclear reactors in India. The senior official, now on a visit to India, claimed that "your (i.e. the Manmohan Singh) government has full details of the religious organisation involved in funding the Kudankulam protests, but is keeping this secret as the organisation has high-level backers" in the UPA.

These present and retired officials claimed that "during the tenure in office of Secretary Clinton, several expert teams in the guise of NGOs were sent to Gujarat to try and find mass graves". The purpose was to then take the matter to the Office of the UN Commissioner of Human Rights in Geneva as an example of genocide. "In 2011, some bones were discovered in a Gujarat field by one of the search teams and there was much excitement, but these were later found to be buffalo bones", an official said. The official added that "no evidence whatsoever of mass graves was uncovered in Gujarat despite six years of clandestine searching for them" by undercover experts posing as representatives of NGOs. He added that "five politicians, three from the state and two in Delhi, assisted the search teams, but the information given by them proved unproductive".

Finally, "now that Secretary Clinton had stepped down from office, by end-2012 orders were given to stop wasting time on the search for mass graves in Gujarat, much to the dismay of those NGOs who were getting significant funding as a consequence of the search operations". Interestingly, the senior official claimed that because of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's inability to water down the Nuclear Liability Act and Defence Minister A.K. Antony's decision to prefer the French Rafale fighter to its US rival, "orders were given to activate the Khalistan file so as to create embarrassment for Sonia Gandhi and Manmohan Singh".

Another official, now retired, claimed that "since 2011, several search teams have been active in Punjab, seeking human remains in suspected mass graves". According to them, "key politicians in Punjab have assisted these search teams and on occasion even provided logistical facilities for them".

These officials claim that the recent decision by the US Aviation Authority to ban extra flights into the US by Indian carriers was "directly linked to US displeasure over the strong Indian response to the Devyani Khobragade episode, especially as they had been privately assured by senior officials that the fallout of an arrest would be routine and perfunctory".

Another example of misuse of public interest bodies cited was the recent decision by the UK Automobile Safety Authority to classify five India-produced small car models as unsafe, "or exactly the same models that are offering competition to European and US vehicles in the European market". They said that such steps were "protectionism in the guise of safety" and that "the Manmohan Singh government's passivity in responding to such unilateral measures encouraged more of them to get slapped on India".

Coming back to the BJP's PM candidate Narendra Modi, these sources say that the Obama administration has dialled back on the hectic efforts by Hillary Clinton to paint the Gujarat CM as guilty of mass murder and even genocide. "This is clear from the latest report of the US Commission on International Religious Freedom, which has sharply scaled back its criticism of the Modi government as compared to earlier reports". According to a senior official, "President Obama does not share Hillary Clinton's confrontational approach and her preference for Sonia Gandhi, and is looking to establish a pragmatic partnership with India should Modi become the Prime Minister". Hence the search "for a US envoy who would be different from (former ambassador) Nancy Powell's Clinton-style hostile approach to Modi, and to find an individual who could be expected to bond with the new PM and his team". According to these sources, President Obama "is alarmed at the steep downslide in India-US ties caused by Hillary-style crusades, and wants the relationship to be even better than what it was under the Bush presidency".

Recent remarks by Narendra Modi indicate that the BJP's standard bearer is ready to reciprocate the hand of amity proffered by Team Obama to the BJP's PM nominee.

Link-http://www.sunday-guardian.com/news/obama-quietly-reverses-hillarys-get-modi-policy

Courtesy- harpreet@cestMoiz

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Postby CRamS » 17 Sep 2019 09:15

Even as the euphoria among us SDREs reached a crescendo on Trump bahadur sharing the stage with ModiJi at the Howdy Modi event in Houston, TX, it seems Trump himself put a damper with his equal equal with TSP. It appears that he will be meeting Taliban Khan as well. Sad that US seems to cannot let go off this hyphen :-). India TSP equal equal onlee.

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Postby Rudradev » 17 Sep 2019 09:25

Taliban Khan will also be in Houston??

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Postby CRamS » 17 Sep 2019 09:46

RudraJi, we have to take this maybe with a pinch of salt, but Trump's equal equal statement is from from Indian DDM rags like rediff. So take it for what its worth. According to the reports Trump bahadur did not say where he will meet Taliban Khan. My guess would be at the UNGA.

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India Today wrote:While US President Donald Trump will share the stage with PM Modi, at the "Howdy Modi!" event on September 22, he could meet Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly Session in New York later this month.


In the men's room.

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Postby yensoy » 17 Sep 2019 10:37

NRao wrote:
India Today wrote:While US President Donald Trump will share the stage with PM Modi, at the "Howdy Modi!" event on September 22, he could meet Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly Session in New York later this month.


In the men's room.


NUNGA at UNGA then.

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Postby Kashi » 17 Sep 2019 11:15

CRamS wrote:Even as the euphoria among us SDREs reached a crescendo


Which SDREs would that be and I was aware that you were appointed as a representative of "us SDREs"?

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Postby Peregrine » 17 Sep 2019 14:20

'Howdy, Modi': Trump stuns Pak with thumbs up for PM's Houston rally - Chidanand Rajghatta

HIGHLIGHTS

- The US gesture comes amid a virulent and abusive campaign by Islamabad against PM Modi over the Kashmir issue

- The reaction from Pakistan was stunned disbelief. “Is this for real or is it propaganda?” asked one prominent analyst

- Outside of its salience in the US exit from Afghanistan, Washington does not have any equities in Pakistan


WASHINGTON: The United States on Sunday delivered a devastating snub to Pakistan by announcing that President Trump will attend a rally in Houston next Sunday with Prime Minister Narendra Modi. The US gesture comes amid a virulent and abusive campaign by Islamabad against the Indian PM in its efforts to highlight theKashmir issue. Unmindful of criticism from liberal quarters about the human rights and civil liberties situation in the Muslim majority and insurgency stricken Kashmir Valley, and ignoring Pakistan’s hate campaign, the Trump White House has chosen to engage Modi is a format that is unprecedented in modern diplomatic history – a large public rally on its home turf. With many US lawmakers from both political parties slated to attend the rally in a 50,000-capacity stadium, Pakistan is learning that common values and business ties is trumping its efforts to paint a dark and cataclysmic picture of the Kashmir situation.

The White House announcement was met with withering criticism and sarcasm in liberal quarters that sees Trump and Modi as fellow travelers on a global diplomatic circuit that includes Israel’s Benjamin Netanyahu and Britain’s Boris Johnson among others. “I don’t know what’s more embarrassing - That Modi will appear beside Trump or that Trump will appear beside Modi. Both countries have my condolences,” tweeted historian Audrey Truschke, a critic of the Indian right wing. And from Karti Chidambaram, currently in the financial enforcement crosshairs in India: “Modi Bhakts and Trump Rednecks. Made for each other ... The only thing that won’t be in common is the diet. “Pure Vegetarian” v “Medium Rare Steaks””

The reaction from Pakistan was stunned disbelief. “Is this for real or is it propaganda?” asked one prominent analyst, even as commentators tried to make sense of how a President who offered to mediate on the Kashmir issue and hosted Imran Khan for talks at the White House only a few weeks ago could meet with a leader who is uncompromising in his view that Kashmir is a bilateral issue and India will not negotiate with a gun to its head, until Pakistan rolls up its terror apparatus and brings the perpetrators of terror attacks against India justice.

The short answer for Trump’s engagement with India, according to diplomats, is business and trade deficit with India, along with unwavering US view of a key role for New Delhi in the Asia Pacific region. Pakistan apparently is yet to reconcile to the idea that the Kashmir issue has been subsumed in this new US policy for South Asia and Asia Pacific. Outside of its salience in the US exit from Afghanistan, Washington does not have any equities in Pakistan.

Pakistan’s Prime Minister Imran Khan has come unhinged in recent dayswarning in recent days at public rallies and in interviews that the region could spiral into a nuclear war if the world did not pay heed to Islamabad’s version of the Kashmir issue that centers on its claim to the territory because it is a Muslim majority region. New Delhi accuses Pakistan of igniting passions and insurgency in the region through infiltration of terrorists and sponsorship of separatist terror groups.

In some of the most toxic rhetoric to emerge from Pakistan following its 72- year old separation from India, Khan and his cohorts have compared Modi to Hitler and the purported ideology of the BJP and RSS to Nazism and fascism, with overwrought talk of an ongoing or imminent genocide of Muslims in Kashmir and across India. New Delhi has treated Pakistani histrionics with contempt while busily engaging the global community, which has also largely ignored Islamabad’s lament for the Kashmiris given its own dismal treatment of minorities at home. In fact, an Indian counter campaign now seems underway to highlight Pakistan's treatment of Baloch, Ahmadis, Sindhis, Pashtuns and other disaffected communities in Pakistan.

The fact that it stands thoroughly isolated, including in the Muslim world, does not appear to have sunk into Pakistani establishment which is busy telling its citizens that Islamabad has the support of and is building alliances with countries such as Iran, Turkey, Malaysia, Russia, and of course, its patron China.

What is apparently galling for Pakistan is that Trump has agreed to appear with Modi even as Imran Khan has raised the pitch the Kashmir issue and warned that he will be banging on the doors of the United Nations next week seeking global intervention. Modi will also be in New York at the same time.

In fact, Islamabad has been gearing up the Pakistani community in the US and making cause with other anti-India groups such as separatist “Khalistanis” to stage demonstrations in Houston and New York in an effort to highlight its Kashmir claim during the Modi visit.

Islamabad had recently commandeered the Pakistani American community for a rally in Washington DC in July during Imran Khan's visit in an effort to showcase its diaspora the way Modi has done twice in New York and San Francisco over the past five years. But the Houston show is expected to put everything else in shade.

Houston also has a strong Pakistani community. In fact, when Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) bought the extended range Boeing 777 more than a decade ago, the first route planned was Karachi-Houston non-stop. But terrorist attacks on US soil by expat Pakistanis and terrorists captured in Pakistan scuppered that. PIA now has to make a stop in Manchester or Birmingham in UK for security reasons — euphemistically dubbed “refueling stop” — before flying to the US.

In Video: Devastating snub to Pakistan: President Trump to join ‘Howdy, Modi

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Postby anmol » 17 Sep 2019 17:27

CRamS wrote:RudraJi, we have to take this maybe with a pinch of salt, but Trump's equal equal statement is from from Indian DDM rags like rediff. So take it for what its worth. According to the reports Trump bahadur did not say where he will meet Taliban Khan. My guess would be at the UNGA.

Transcript

Q You are traveling to Texas to address 50,000 people. You will be addressing 50,000 people, along with Prime Minister Modi, in Houston next weekend. What is the message you are sending to the world?

THE PRESIDENT: So, I’ll see Prime Minister Modi and I will — we’ll be meeting with India and Pakistan. And I think a lot of progress has been made there. A lot of progress. Thank you.


IMVHO like selina zito says, what he says should taken seriously, but not literally.

My interpretation of Trumpspeak: He is replying to "What is the message you are sending to the world?" He knows exactly the kind of message he is sending by traveling to Houston to share stage with Modi. Since TSP's "help" is needed in Afghanistan, he is throwing a bone to them by India-TSP equal equaling.


He will meet Modi in Houston.
He will be meeting TSP, but not in Houston. (Why would Modi allow that?)
Since he cares only about US interests, "lot of progress" is related to role of TSP in Afghanistan talks.

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Postby CRamS » 17 Sep 2019 19:27

Kashi wrote:
CRamS wrote:Even as the euphoria among us SDREs reached a crescendo


Which SDREs would that be and I was aware that you were appointed as a representative of "us SDREs"?


Dude, I live in the real world. I don't live in some la la delusional land. And from my vantage point, I see a lot of euphoria that Trump bahadur is going to join ModiJi. Its good, no harm in getting the best out of USA through Trump.

NRN: no reply necessary,

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Postby CRamS » 17 Sep 2019 19:31

Anmol, whatever spin we might want to give, the hyphen between India and TSP in US eyes is alive and kicking. Just read that transcript. The question was about his meeting with Indian PM. And Trump brings in TSP. And no words about India US relations which is what the Indian side is focused. No doubt its US interests from PoV, India TSP equal equal, and thats why he had to bring in TSP.

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Postby Rakesh » 17 Sep 2019 21:31

https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/1173639363583864833 ---> So the cost of securing America's continued 'strategic altruism' (Baaarf) towards India is to keep giving the US Defense industry multi-billion dollar CBMs, relax localization standards and take up US-mandated policing roles in the 'Indo-Pacific'. I see.

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Vipin narang:It's one thing to state a long-standing position, it's another to have CCS ministers repeatedly state that India will revise the status quo and take physical jurisdiction of PoK. We've long assumed Pakistan is the only revisionist power in S Asia. No more?


The US deep state is panicking that sleeping elephant has started to wake up

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Postby habal » 17 Sep 2019 23:14

CRamS wrote:Anmol, whatever spin we might want to give, the hyphen between India and TSP in US eyes is alive and kicking. Just read that transcript. The question was about his meeting with Indian PM. And Trump brings in TSP. And no words about India US relations which is what the Indian side is focused. No doubt its US interests from PoV, India TSP equal equal, and thats why he had to bring in TSP.


hyphen is first and foremost in your eyes.
#2 until we contunue to field MiG-21s as interceptors against a country like pakistan, hyphenation is least of our problems, we will be the butt of all jokes. Until now world is still unsure what was going on or if there was any deeper conspiracy ?

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby ramana » 18 Sep 2019 08:01

Guys stop sniping at each other.

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Postby ramana » 18 Sep 2019 08:02

CRS, Hyphenation like beauty lies in the beholder.

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Postby NRao » 18 Sep 2019 09:01

VikramA wrote:Vipin narang:It's one thing to state a long-standing position, it's another to have CCS ministers repeatedly state that India will revise the status quo and take physical jurisdiction of PoK. We've long assumed Pakistan is the only revisionist power in S Asia. No more?


The US deep state is panicking that sleeping elephant has started to wake up


Funny guy.

When there are data points, that go back 40+ years, that "India will revise the status quo and take physical jurisdiction of PoK", why would anyone "assumed"? Extrapolate and one arrives at today's situation. It was very predictable.

But......................I did not get a degree form Harvard.

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Postby saip » 18 Sep 2019 09:06

Trump I think is flying to Ohio after Houston to meet some other world leader. So, where is the time for him to spare to meet the beggar?

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Postby vijayk » 18 Sep 2019 15:14

https://www.rediff.com/business/report/ ... 190918.htm
Trump may offer trade deal to Modi, sign it in India
Indications are that a 'preliminary agreement' may be unveiled during Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to the US this week, with President Trump signing the final deal in India in November.

The proposal would restore India's status as a beneficiary of the Generalized System of Preferences program, or GSP, thereby lowering the price of many Indian-made goods in the United States. In exchange, Modi would agree to make it easier for American companies to work in India in a few key sectors,' the Examiner reports.

Incidentally, on Tuesday, 'a bipartisan group of 44 United States influential lawmakers has urged the Trump administration to reinstate India's designation as a beneficiary developing nation under the key Generalized System of Preferences trade programme as part of a potential trade deal between the two countries,' reports Press Trust of India, a status that was terminated by the Trump administration in June this year.

'In a letter to US Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer, the House members suggest an "early harvest" approach that "would ensure that long-sought market access gains for US industries are not held up by negotiations over remaining issues",' reports PTI.

The proposed agreement would help the Trump administration tout a success story in the midst of an ongoing, bruising trade war with China, and takes forward US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo's statement on "forging a new kind of cooperation" with India.

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Postby Vips » 18 Sep 2019 17:30

On Trump's possible trip to India - I am surprised that Modi administration is having Trump come over in November this year to sign the trade deal and is not angling to have Trump come over in January instead to be he chief guest for the republic day parade as well.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby chetak » 18 Sep 2019 18:10

Indian journalist is getting trolled mercilessly by a firang, for lying blatantly.

Had this happened in India she would have started award wapsi by now.



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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Vips » 18 Sep 2019 18:43

US hints at oil for India on concessional terms.

The US may offer oil and gas to India on concessional terms from its own reserves to help the latter tide over any shortages arising from the drone attacks on Saudi Arabian Oil Company, or Aramco, that have caused the biggest-ever disruption in global crude oil supplies.

Diplomatic sources here said that supply details would be discussed in detail during the visit of the official Indian delegation to the US stating September 21, where Prime Minister Narendra Modi is also scheduled to meet US President Donald Trump. The delegation also includes a large number of Indian business honchos, including chiefs of public and private sector oil companies.

"We can expect Indian oil companies to sign memoranda of understanding with their US counterparts for increasing oil imports to meet the country's domestic demand. Saudi Arabia meets close to 20 per cent of oil needs of the country and if there is a supply disruption, the US can become a dependable ally if terms of such supplies are favourable," one source said.

India has also sounded Russia for increasing their oil supplies. Rosneft PJSC has agreed to assist India with its energy security efforts against the backdrop of the drone attacks on the Saudi oil facilities. Rosneft Chairman Igor Sechin conveyed this during his meeting with Petroleum Minister Dharmendra Pradhan on Tuesday.

The talks with US on oil supplies hinges on the terms of exports. The sources said that the US could offer concessions oil exports on par with the terms India enjoyed with Iran. The Islamic Republic offered cheaper freight and a 60-day credit period to Indian importers such Indian Oil Corporation, Mangalore Refinery and Petrochemicals (MRPL) and Nayara Energy (formerly Essar Oil).

"The offer has been indicated and this needs to be worked out in detail when the delegation level visit happens later this month. Transportation cost is an issue to bring oil from the US," the diplomatic source quoted earlier said.

Though Indian oil companies have started importing oil from the US for the past couple of years, the quantity remains miniscule and forms just about 1 per cent of country's total oil imports. But this quantity can grow with the US shale oil market becoming relevant again at current crude levels and an increase in total rig count in the world's largest oil guzzling nation.

"The rig count in US has risen sharply in past few months (1,038 now) indicating that oil production there is on the rise. One estimate suggests that the US will pump in additional 4 million barrels of crude oil in the next couple of years. This provides ample opportunity for India to tie up long term contracts there. Already, spot purchase contracts from US have seen a rise," said a government official aware of the developments. The emergence of the US as a major oil supplying nation indicates that it could be the biggest gainer in any disruption in global oil production.

The shift to the US would not be sudden as gas transportation company GAIL, oil marketing firm Bharat Petroleum Corporation Ltd (BPCL) and the country's largest oil refiner Indian Oil Corporation have sealed deals for supplies of US crude earlier as well. The shale oil price there now has also become very competitive in comparison to Middle-East and Gulf crude. In fact, the narrowing of price differential between the international crude oil benchmark Brent and Dubai crude has made US oil more competitive even after higher transportation charges. A discount of $ 2-4 per barrel on American oil over Dubai crude makes it cover freight costs.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Mort Walker » 18 Sep 2019 19:17

^^^This is the reason for the PM’s visit to Houston. Any oil and gas deal with the US will be worth billions each year over many years.

India needs cheap energy to achieve high growth rates and it’s not going to come from wind mills and solar farms because the numbers simply don’t add up.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby V_Raman » 18 Sep 2019 20:04

I have always believed that there will be a fleet of ships for transporting oil and gas from USA to India contributing to a substantial % of Indian needs.


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