India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

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Postby Rudradev » 04 Feb 2021 01:18

X-posting from Politics thread

This is an excellent resource on US-based anti-India disinformation and destabilization networks. Lots of sound research and accessible info.

https://www.ahouseofcards.net/

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Postby sudeepj » 04 Feb 2021 02:42

Rudradev wrote:
Sen. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.), the incoming chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, explicitly called for strict economic sanctions to be imposed if the military does not pull back.


This guy is a complete Chinese/Paki/Islamist stooge. No wonder he wants hard-hitting US sanctions on Myanmar govt: they create immediate space for his Chinese masters to step in, fill the void and enhance their influence in Yangon. Not to mention that sanctions would appease the rabid CAIR and ICNA Islamists of his domestic constituency, who want to punish Myanmar for standing up to the Islamic-supremacist terrorism of the Rohingya ARSA.

Menendez was one of the loudest voices denouncing India on Article 370 abrogation, CAA etc. With all the well-off Desis in New Jersey I am appalled that someone like this is allowed to reach the Democratic Senate Primaries, let alone the Senate itself.


All politics is local. Indian-Americans have refused to organize along community lines and are today in no position to do anything but gnash their teeth about such spineless, corrupt politicians hewing to Islamist/Khalitani lobbies. Supporting the repubs does not work because there is no way a repub will win from these constituencies. The only competitive election is the primary.

The answer is to primary these ********. If buses can go from gdwaras and mosques to vote in primaries, why cant the same buses run from temples to the primaries? This and mobilization at 'India festivals' is the answer.

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Postby vijayk » 05 Feb 2021 02:36

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/tr ... lem-491577
The @meena problem
By ALEX THOMPSON and THEODORIC MEYER 01/29/2021 06:36 PM EST


Meena’s company produced the video with the Supermajority Education Fund, a nonprofit devoted to women’s leadership. (An allied super PAC, Supermajority, spent more than $1 million running ads backing Biden and opposing President DONALD TRUMP last year; most of its funding came from a super PAC started by GEORGE SOROS). On YouTube, the ad lists Meena as a producer.

The White House said it did not know if Meena was paid for the ad, or whether her company volunteered its time. If the former, it might violate White House policy. Asked if she was paid by Supermajority, Meena didn’t respond.

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Postby Mort Walker » 07 Feb 2021 09:49

vijayk wrote:https://www.politico.com/newsletters/transition-playbook/2021/01/29/the-meena-problem-491577
The @meena problem
By ALEX THOMPSON and THEODORIC MEYER 01/29/2021 06:36 PM EST


Meena’s company produced the video with the Supermajority Education Fund, a nonprofit devoted to women’s leadership. (An allied super PAC, Supermajority, spent more than $1 million running ads backing Biden and opposing President DONALD TRUMP last year; most of its funding came from a super PAC started by GEORGE SOROS). On YouTube, the ad lists Meena as a producer.

The White House said it did not know if Meena was paid for the ad, or whether her company volunteered its time. If the former, it might violate White House policy. Asked if she was paid by Supermajority, Meena didn’t respond.


Generally, family and relatives of the president and vice president keep quiet, unless they are directly supporting the policy of their relative in the executive branch. There is no reason to assume Meena Harris does not have the support of the president and vice president. Heavy fines on the order of millions of dollars should be imposed on Twitter and other SM should persons like Meena Harris tweet. This is direct interference in another country's political affairs. Now the Chinese spy, Eric Swalwell (US House, D-CA) are tweeting anti-India posts. Irritants like this and Devyani Khobragade incidents will be commonplace here on out.

Meenakshi Ashley Harris was born on 20 OCT 1984 to Maya Harris (Born 30 JAN 1967) out of wed-lock when Maya Harris was 17 years old and became pregnant in high school. Meena's father is actually her step father, her biological father and information about him has somehow recently been purged from Google searches. Quite convenient. Meena's husband is Nikolas Ajagu who is a Facebook executive as the Global Head of Partnerships. Meena and Nikolas combined net worth is in the $10-20 million range a couple of years ago. Meena is also very close to her aunt who is Vice President of the US. Who is Meena Harris? 8 Fun facts

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Postby Rudradev » 07 Feb 2021 10:04

Mort Walker wrote:Generally, family and relatives of the president and vice president keep quiet, unless they are directly supporting the policy of their relative in the executive branch. There is no reason to assume Meena Harris does not have the support of the president and vice president.


LOL like Billy Carter? Or Ron Reagan Jr who openly discredited his father's economic & social policies through public commentary? Or Roger Clinton who was pardoned of drug charges by his brother?

It is far more commonplace for loudmouth family members of the US President or VP to be embarrassments than drivers of some "hidden agenda" (way to hide your policy agenda btw, get some relative who shares your surname to pursue it noisily and in full public view :mrgreen:)

Yes, there is no guarantee that Biden & Kamala Harris don't share the same views as Meena but if getting her to tweet hysterically is indicative of their policy implementation skills, India has nothing to worry about.

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Postby Mort Walker » 07 Feb 2021 10:15

^^^There are exceptions, even Mary Trump wrote a book about her uncle to monetize the liberal views. That said, most relatives stay quiet. Meena Harris is a graduate of Stanford and Harvard Law School. She's not an ordinary loud mouth. She knows better and most likely has the support of the executive branch. This tweeting, even by Swalwell, appears to be foreign interference in India's political affairs, and the platform they are using needs to be fined heavily.

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Postby Rudradev » 07 Feb 2021 11:12

Speaking of embarrassments...

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/hunter-bi ... hite-house


President Joe Biden’s son continues to hold his investment in a Chinese private equity firm funded by the Bank of China and other Chinese government-owned financial firms, the White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said on Friday.

Responding to a question during a press conference at the White House on Hunter Biden’s 10% stake in the Chinese private equity firm BHR Partners, Psaki said “He has been working to unwind his investment but I would certainly point you — he’s a private citizen — I would point you to him or his lawyers on the outside on any update,”.

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According to a report in The Wall Street Journal, BHR had been involved in at least 10 major transactions that left it with more than $1 billion in assets, but the cost of Hunter’s stake — worth $100 million at the time — was based on the company’s startup value.

During the run up to the presidential election, leaked emails published in media outlets showed that Hunter Biden had entered into a consulting contract with China’s largest private energy company that initially earned him $10 million a year “for introductions alone”.

In a leaked email thread published by The New York Post , Hunter Biden discussed in detail a deal with the former chairman of CEFC China Energy, Ye Jianming, saying Ye agreed to change the terms of Biden’s three-year consulting contract with CEFC, which initially promised Biden $10 million per-year “for introductions alone,” to make it “much more lasting and more lucrative."



Does one need to point out that there's no such thing as a private equity firm in China?

This is a CPC-controlled investment fund. Hunter Biden one of the investors. His father's government is the investment.

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Postby Mort Walker » 07 Feb 2021 11:48

Trump administration basically forced the incoming administration to continue opposition to Chinese hegemony and belligerence, but soon this narrative will quietly go away from the press and SM, and the attempt will be to return to the "good old days" of the Clinton-Bush-Obama admins. A few things to note - for "green" to be affordable it can't happen without PRC lithium batteries and solar panels. S&P 500 companies will rely on cheap subsidized Chinese goods to boost their profit margins for shareholders. Some people in the US are going to get very rich in the next 4 years.

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Postby Bart S » 07 Feb 2021 22:30

What is up with Brad Sherman and his meddling in the so-called farmers protests along with Ro Khanna? I thought that he was broadly pro-India.

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Postby vimal » 07 Feb 2021 22:52

I think he wants to meet with Indian ambassador to get India’s side of story. Nothing wrong with that. There is way too much noise on MSM and SM for average Joe to be able to comprehend the truth. Has US ever asked for a meeting with Chinese ambassador over Xinjiang?

They did write a resolution last year to label China’s actions as genocide. China wiped its behind with such resolutions.
https://www.foreign.senate.gov/press/ra ... s-genocide

U.S. Senators Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), Ranking Member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and John Cornyn (R-Texas) yesterday introduced a bipartisan resolution to designate human rights abuses perpetrated by the People’s Republic of China against the Uyghur people and other ethnic minorities in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR) as genocide. The resolution would hold China accountable under the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide and begin the process to coordinate an international response to bring these abuses to a halt.
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Postby Mort Walker » 07 Feb 2021 23:05

Bart S wrote:What is up with Brad Sherman and his meddling in the so-called farmers protests along with Ro Khanna? I thought that he was broadly pro-India.



All of these elected members of congress and SM influencers are trying to setup the narrative to vilify India in order to force Chairman Xiden to act in accordance with BIF in bilateral and multilateral engagements. So far only the Democratic Party is on board, let's see if the RINOS and EJs join in.

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Postby Sonugn » 07 Feb 2021 23:36

So New York state assembly has passed the Kashmir America day resolution.

Now Coumo has been asked to declare Feb 5 (?) as so called Kashmir American day for solidarity.

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Postby Mort Walker » 07 Feb 2021 23:45

^^^It is a resolution not a passed bill, so Coumo, unless he's a complete idiot, should ignore it.
What was the vote in the state assembly? How many for and against, and by party? NY Assembly is 106D, 43R, 1I.

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Postby vera_k » 08 Feb 2021 06:09

Significant portion of US population thinks the current executive is illegitimate. Unclear what staying power any commitments made by this administration will have if the domestic debate is not settled.

Poll finds 65% of Republicans say they don’t believe Biden’s election was legitimate

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Postby Cyrano » 08 Feb 2021 15:06

Yeah, a significant portion also thinks the earth is flat and moon landing is fake and Darwin's theory is false. Lot of overlap between these "significant thinkers".

Republicans are fast becoming a bucket for fringe loonies. But that will not help, because Trump's new MAGA Party will cut the ground under their feet.

India has to recongise that Democrats are here to stay for perhaps 2 terms, that is 8 years. We better update our narratives and approach to harness their leftist ideology than keep pining for a bygone golden era under fake blond Trump.

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Postby Sonugn » 08 Feb 2021 15:30

Previously, a significant section of the voters including so called MSM head honchos also believed that the elections were interfered by Russians & Putin propped Trump. So yeah, each section is entitled to it's own conspiracy theories.

US regime needs to understand that Modi will remain the PM/no roll back of policies, irrespective of what it's Islamist/Fringe leftist factions may yelp on social media. I am sure that mainstream Democrats understand this. However, it would be better for the US-India relations if they keep their rabid motor mouths on a leash.

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Postby g.sarkar » 09 Feb 2021 01:24

https://thediplomat.com/2021/02/india-u ... rajasthan/
India-US Army Exercises Begins in Indian Border State of Rajasthan
The 16th edition of Yudh Abhyas is the third time in the last four months that Indian and U.S. militaries have exercised together.
By Abhijnan Rej, February 08, 2021

The latest edition of the annual exercises between the Indian and U.S. armies kicked off on February 8 at the Mahajan Field Firing Ranges in Rajasthan, a western Indian state bordering Pakistan. The 16th edition of the Yudh Abhyas exercises, which will continue until February 21, will – like past iterations – focus on counterterrorism and promote interoperability between the two forces, according to the Indian Army.
India and the United States began army exercises in 2004. A U.S. army description of the goals of the Yudh Abhyas series notes: “Execution of these exercises is vital to effective and efficient peacekeeping and foreign disaster relief operations and civil affairs core tasks focused on humanitarian and disaster relief.”
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While it is true that regular military-to-military engagements between India and the United States have significantly enhanced interoperability between forces, the two sides have still some way to go before they can function as a combined force in a regional contingency. Part of the problem — beyond a still-considerable gap in training, doctrines, and platforms and weapon systems operated by both sides — lies with the fact that when it comes to the United States, many in the Indian armed forces continue to be skeptical about the country’s strategic intent and attitude towards India. In a controversial Stimson Center study published last year, a former senior Defense Intelligence Agency officer Col. David Smith had noted that “a high level of mistrust (and thinly veiled hostility) about the United States generally persists in all three groups [senior, senior mid-level, and junior mid-level] of Indian officers.”
Gautam
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https://www.stimson.org/2020/the-wellington-experience/
Col Smith has a long association with the Pak army.
Also: https://thediplomat.com/2020/11/a-forme ... -military/

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Postby Vayutuvan » 09 Feb 2021 03:39

Cyrano wrote:Yeah, a significant portion also thinks the earth is flat and moon landing is fake and Darwin's theory is false.


This is patently false. The most famous current day Theoretical Computer Scientist/Mathematician, Prof. Donald E. Knuth, is a devout Christian.

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Postby KLNMurthy » 09 Feb 2021 03:45

Sonugn wrote:Previously, a significant section of the voters including so called MSM head honchos also believed that the elections were interfered by Russians & Putin propped Trump. So yeah, each section is entitled to it's own conspiracy theories.

US regime needs to understand that Modi will remain the PM/no roll back of policies, irrespective of what it's Islamist/Fringe leftist factions may yelp on social media. I am sure that mainstream Democrats understand this. However, it would be better for the US-India relations if they keep their rabid motor mouths on a leash.

but why would they keep them on a leash? It is good politics / relationship management to say, you, India, do what we want, otherwise we will be forced do what our loonies tell us to do. All said in perfectly friendly diplomatese.

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Postby Rishi_Tri » 09 Feb 2021 04:21

https://www.cfr.org/blog/2020-election-numbers

2020 US Election by Numbers

Popular Vote:

"Biden won 81,283,098 votes, or 51.3 percent of the votes cast. He is the first U.S. presidential candidate to have won more than 80 million votes. Trump won 74,222,958 votes, or 46.8 percent of the votes cast. That’s more votes than any other presidential candidate has ever won, with the exception of Biden. (Third-party candidates picked up 1.8 percent of the votes cast.)"

Electoral College

"When you look at the smallest popular vote shift needed to give Trump a victory, the 2020 election was close. Indeed, it was even closer than 2016. If Trump picked up the right mix of 42,921 votes in Arizona (10,457), Georgia (11,779), and Wisconsin (20,682), the Electoral College would have been tied at 269 all. "

^^MAGA is here to stay. Trump faced acute effects of China Virus, Biden shall face chronic effects of China Virus. If Biden supplicates on China or does not nurse the economy back, the thin Congress majority (already reduced) shall be the first to disappear.

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Postby Mort Walker » 09 Feb 2021 10:59

Cyrano wrote:India has to recongise that Democrats are here to stay for perhaps 2 terms, that is 8 years. We better update our narratives and approach to harness their leftist ideology than keep pining for a bygone golden era under fake blond Trump.


It won't make much difference as the main stream Democratic party is ideologically aligned with BIF. Harnessing it means acquiescing to the leftist terrorists as they will always ask for more. They will try to force Xiden's hand to align policy similarly and given his mental instability, he may fall for it from time to time. Best to focus on trade and Pentagon contacts, military exercises and defense contracts. Better to let Boeing, GE, LM, and NG do the internal heavy policy lifting.

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Postby Chinmay » 09 Feb 2021 22:00

X post from Border Security thread

Outgoing NSC Director Lisa Curis's interview

This is the bit that stood out

"I think the China-India border crisis demonstrated to India that the U.S. is a reliable partner. The U.S. expedited delivery of cold weather gear to Indian forces along the disputed border for the winter. We also delivered 2 MQ-9 armed predators to India. We stood with India as it faced this aggression along its borders. This demonstrated that the U.S. was reliable. In a way, China’s own aggressive behavior reinforced for India the need to build the U.S.-India relationship and move forward with Quad engagement."


India now operates armed Reapers!

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Postby Cyrano » 09 Feb 2021 22:48

If you look at NaMo's big programs, they are all leftist dreams in the developed world. Piped water, toilets, gas connections, health insurance, education, hospitals, public infra are all based on leftist/socialist view of govt taxing and spending to reduce inequality. (We cant tax to death businesses given our stage of economy and size of population) Modi has put more money, ensured less corruption and showed determined execution than any of his predecessors. That side of the GoI's performance must be used to engage those on the left especially the Dems. They will find GoI's agenda quite similar to Biden's program in many places. That said our history, geography and neighbourhood are unique to us, and cant be seen with the same lens. Those who don't play ball will be exposed as Anarchists, and we'll know clearly who they are.

Its also time to shed any inhibitions about being called Hindu Nationalist. Its not an insult but a recognition of a growing power's changing mindset. Hindu by definition is secular. Nationalism in our part of the world is a guarantor of peace. This must be repeated again and again, by all, at every available fora.

Just brushing off Dems=BIF and Biden = Xiden will not help. Like it or not we need to deal with them. Instead of defending against and fighting their views all the time or ignoring them (fight or flight) I'm saying we need to take initiative engage those who hold such views and matter. Some will come around, some surely won't. But Indians and Hindus need to come out of our inhibitions (drilled into us for ages) and give it a try. Every time we did, it works quite well, because we are fundamentally good people. Satyameva Jayate. Hare Krishna. And all that. Whats there not to like when one gets closer ?

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Postby Suraj » 10 Feb 2021 03:08

Cyrano wrote:If you look at NaMo's big programs, they are all leftist dreams in the developed world.

Not the developed world, but the Anglosphere. Neither Modi nor the BJP align with the English speaking world's political divisions of left vs right. By and large, all major Anglosphere nations have a 'center right' party that constitutes old money, the wealthy/elite class and such. They are all individualism focused. Republicans in US, Conservatives in UK, The Liberal Party in Australia are examples of these. The 'center-left' in such countries are the unions, 'progressives' , minorities and other platforms. The Dems in US and Labour in UK are examples.

There is NO overlap with this in India. In India, the 'center-left' are the old money, wealthy/elite, the unions and minorities. The center-right are the social conservatives, new socio-economically mobile groups, small traders and businessmen.

The closest political platform to the BJP's in the western world are the European - particularly German and Austrian - Christian Democrats. They are socially center-right but economically center-left. For 6 years not, Bloomberg and FT have been calling Modi a failed free-marketer because they can only see him in their idea of center-right, which he is not. The closest thing to Modi among major world leaders is Angela Merkel - the head of the German Christian Democrats. Merkel is not 'secular' and believes - like CDU in general - that Christianity is a primary part of German culture.

Most Indians make the mistake of seeing the BJP through Anglophone lens, where the picture is distorted. Look at them through the history of the European Christian Democrats - who are a major party in Germany, Austria, Denmark, Scandinavia, Spain and elsewhere - and the BJP looks far more recognizable.

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Postby Kakkaji » 10 Feb 2021 04:47

^^++108

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Postby Cyrano » 10 Feb 2021 14:41

Agree Suraj ji, you expressed it more clearly than I did. The classic definitions and social classes that form "left" and "right" in the developed anglophone world don't fit in India's context. Even "religion" which is an Abrahamic concept doesnt help understand Hindu Dharma. Thats why some phoren commentators blindly and lazily categorise Modi as "right wing hindu nationalist" and smirk as if they succeeded in insulting India and our dorky ape media relays such labelling.

Highlighting the "leftist" elements of Modi's govt and governance will confuse the heck out of western commentators. They get stuck when we explain secular India has special dispensations for religious minorities and don't know what foot to stand on regarding a uniform civil code. Even CAA can be tied to pro-immigration stance of the Dems. India is the only place where the persecuted religious minorities in our neighbourhood can go to. Art 370 repeal is a way to deliver equal rights to Dalits, women, LGBTQ in Kashmir. I remember EAM S Jaishankar's interviews last year which made these points very clearly with phoren interviewers and many were dumbstruck to respond, because they suddenly realised they were looking at India through an alien prism and and asking why India is not fitting into their clichéd views. Those interviews are a pleasure to watch :)

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Cyrano wrote:............. I remember EAM S Jaishankar's interviews last year which made these points very clearly with phoren interviewers and many were dumbstruck to respond, because they suddenly realised they were looking at India through an alien prism and and asking why India is not fitting into their clichéd views. Those interviews are a pleasure to watch :)


Cyrano Ji, any links from memory? Would love to pass those on to my family here, since that sort of stuff is what will resonate most with my uber-democrat kids esp.

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Postby Rudradev » 11 Feb 2021 02:23

Not sure which thread this belongs in as it is an "Understanding the US" topic: the establishment of a new agenda calling itself "progressive globalism", which ostensibly seeks to forge a middle path between corporate neoliberalism and progressive anti-capitalism (which in its Bernie Sanders avatar, certainly had a strong protectionist streak).

However, from the interview I'm linking below, it becomes clear that this "progressive globalism" is a sophisticated trojan-horse for China to reintroduce the "G2" paradigm in Washington policymaking circles. So there's a "Chinese Threat" angle here.

Finally, of course, on BRF our main concern is how all this will impact US-India relations. So this is where I decided to bring it.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/02 ... l#comments

To most on the U.S. left, globalization is a dirty word — the name of that Frankensteinian amalgam of forces that turned America’s industrial centers into Rust Belts, its trade unions into laughingstocks, and New Deal Democrats into anachronisms. And these associations are far from baseless. The model of trade liberalization that the United States pursued in the last quarter of the 20th century favored footloose capital over landlocked labor, financialization over industrial production, and, thus, the corporate wing of the Democratic Party over the progressive one.

For this reason, Blue America’s internal debates over trade policy have traditionally pitted progressive protectionists against moderate globalists. From the battle over NAFTA under Bill Clinton to the fight over the Trans-Pacific Partnership under Barack Obama, centrist “free traders” advocated for ever-greater economic integration, while labor-liberals championed economic nationalism with progressive characteristics (in 2016, Bernie Sanders condemned “corporations who want to invest in low-income countries around the world rather than in the United States of America”).

But since Donald Trump’s election, the decline in comity between Washington and Beijing has softened these intra-Democratic divisions. In the face of China’s growing economic power and political authoritarianism, many moderate Democrats have lost faith in “free trade” and have come to see industrial policy as a precondition for fortifying American global supremacy. Joe Biden’s recent Cabinet appointments testify to this convergence of “Establishment” and left-wing Democrats on questions of global trade.

Not all progressives consider this a victory. In fact, some contend that America’s turn toward protectionism and “great power competition” will condemn its economy to long-term stagnation and humanity writ large to chronic geopolitical instability (if not world war).

Jake Werner is one such progressive. A historian of modern China (read= propaganda mouthpiece for Xi Jinping trying to infiltrate the Squad wing of the Democratic Party), research fellow at Boston University’s GDP Center, and co-founder of the organization Justice Is Global (needs to be checked out, especially in light of recent events re: Khalistanis and Farmer Protests... any volunteers?), Werner argues that a slowdown in global economic growth since the 2008 crisis has bolstered the nationalist right in countries across the world while fostering a spirit of zero-sum conflict between nations. In his analysis, the slowdown in growth is rooted in the negligible purchasing power of the world’s poor, (which of course CPEC and benign Chinese investment in the "Global South" is America's best hope of overcoming :roll: ) which has prevented total consumer demand in the global economy from rising to meet total productive capacity. According to Werner, if Biden can do on a global scale what Franklin Roosevelt did on a national one — and revive growth by expanding gainful employment to the economically marginalized — then he can initiate a virtuous cycle of shared prosperity and progressive political advance. By contrast, if Biden leaves the root causes of global stagnation unaddressed, and opts to grow the U.S. economy at China’s expense, he will strengthen reactionary forces both here and abroad. For the moment, Biden appears to be heading toward the latter path — and only the left can stop him.

Intelligencer spoke with Werner last week about his theory of global economic growth, vision of “progressive globalization,” and hopes for U.S.-China policy in the Biden era.


The Bat-khaus are smart, I'll give them that. What is being pushed here (please read entire interview) is a very well-packaged argument that presents G2 as a "win-win" for both Main Street and Wall Street.

This is done while holding up the spectre of "Populist Nationalism" (in the form of Trump, but also Modi, Duterte, Erdogan, Bolsonaro, Orban etc. in supporting-villain roles) as the "or-else" doomsday scenario.

And it is wrapped up in language designed to cater to the rhetoric of the Squad movement of far-left Democrats ("equity", "justice", "poverty elimination", "Global South") while appealing to Wall Street's appetite for reaping profits with continued investment in China.

To my mind this is the single greatest ideological threat emerging from the United States political intelligensia. If it comes to shape the official policy platform of the United States it will be our worst nightmare come true: a US-China G2 but additionally bearing every hallmark of the woke left, assaulting every traditional value system outside China with the viciousness of the Soros propaganda machine from the ground up.

Do read the whole interview. That it is being picked up and amplified in a Center-Left mag like New York Magazine is alarming.

Lest you think I am making too much out of one article... let me also point out to this piece of propaganda in another American Center-Left magazine, The Atlantic, 2 days ago.

https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... cy/617953/
The Chinese ‘Debt Trap’ Is a Myth

The narrative wrongfully portrays both Beijing and the developing countries it deals with


Written by two junior professors in high-profile American academia (China has invested well), this article talks about how Hambantota was actually a win-win for China and Sri Lanka, and greatly benefited Sri Lanka without any debt-servicing spiral. It also takes digs at India for allegedly not doing more to help poor Sri Lanka until the Chinese came along to save it.

Get the picture?

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Postby Cyrano » 11 Feb 2021 16:40

Primus wrote:
Cyrano wrote:............. I remember EAM S Jaishankar's interviews last year which made these points very clearly with phoren interviewers and many were dumbstruck to respond, because they suddenly realised they were looking at India through an alien prism and and asking why India is not fitting into their clichéd views. Those interviews are a pleasure to watch :)


Cyrano Ji, any links from memory? Would love to pass those on to my family here, since that sort of stuff is what will resonate most with my uber-democrat kids esp.


Primus ji, SJ spoke about these in many interviews between Sep-Dec 2019.

For instance from 44:00 onwards https://youtu.be/559fl6Km4mM. There is another interview given to a Singapore based Chinese jouro lady which is also superb. And others given to some European journals/forums. Unfortunately I've not bookmarked them, but a few searches on YT they can be found.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby chetak » 11 Feb 2021 18:29

serious burnol moment for neighbors and their friends in India


The United States on Wednesday said that there is no change in its policy on Jammu and Kashmir.

"I want to be very clear there has been no change in U.S. policy in the region," State Department Spokesperson Ned Price told reporters in view of a tweet from the South and Central Asia Bureau of the State Department which welcomed the resumption of 4G mobile internet in Jammu and Kashmir.


via the Hindu

No change in policy on Jammu and Kashmir, says U.S.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Primus » 11 Feb 2021 21:46

Thank you Cyrano Ji, this is very helpful. Never ceases to amaze me how erudite our MEA is. A vital post.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby darshan » 11 Feb 2021 22:28

Sleeping MEA

Why aren’t we talking about this? Netizens outraged as model promoting Rihanna’s Fenty Lingerie insults Hindu temple
https://www.opindia.com/2021/02/rihanna ... du-temple/

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Postby Cyrano » 11 Feb 2021 22:43

LVMH Moët Hennessy Louis Vuitton recently pulled the plug on Rihanna's Fenty fashion house (lack of sales), while going ahead with her Savage x Fenty lingerie, backed with $115 million in new funding through the company L Catterton, in which LVMH has a stake.

LVMH is behind Rihanna's Fenty

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Cyrano » 11 Feb 2021 22:50

Primus wrote:Thank you Cyrano Ji, this is very helpful. Never ceases to amaze me how erudite our MEA is. A vital post.


I hope our IFS folks deputed in various countries understand the arguments and the articulation of SJ and are able to put fwd these positions in their own interactions.

There is lot of additional grey matter in SJ's book "the India way" as well. Must read for all BRFites.
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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby darshan » 13 Feb 2021 03:55

I'm wondering how many US corporations selling to India have their training modules for employees showing,

1) India as stealing technology
2) India as a client requiring bribes
3) J&K as a separate country while showing china as a whole including with occupied part of J&K.

GoI may want to give some thoughts before buying billions in weapons about whether seller agrees to Indian map or not and whether seller thinks that you're the worst out there to have you included in their training modules while not even hinting at others like chinese.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Rudradev » 18 Feb 2021 09:19

Please sign & share this petition
Ask Chicago City Council to vote NO on a resolution condemning CAA

http://chng.it/sTjjhTXLV5

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Pratyush » 18 Feb 2021 09:30

Rudradev wrote:Please sign & share this petition
Ask Chicago City Council to vote NO on a resolution condemning CAA

http://chng.it/sTjjhTXLV5


I am not in favour of responding to every Tom dick and harry needling India.

Though in am in favour of needling such morons all the time.

Like when are you returning Chiraq to Chicago. Reference to the gun crimes. Or any other way.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Rudradev » 18 Feb 2021 09:34

It is not a "response". It is about making our voice heard as a community, whatever the outcome of this particular resolution, and becoming unignorable.

The way to look at this is not: "why should we run around like fools to counter every single pipsqueak resolution or statement".

The way to look at it is: every time the Islamists & Left do this kind of thing, they are GIVING US the opportunity to put OUR numbers, our commitment, our organization, our unity as Hindus on display.

Ultimately US politicians don't care at all about CAA or 370 or any of the rest of it. But they do notice & will remember if Hindus stand up as one & let the tiger within us roar.

Don't waste a single opportunity!

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby g.sarkar » 18 Feb 2021 11:54

Rudradev wrote:Please sign & share this petition
Ask Chicago City Council to vote NO on a resolution condemning CAA
http://chng.it/sTjjhTXLV5

Done.


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