India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

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https://news.yahoo.com/india-press-blin ... p_catchall
Blinken in veiled critique on Indian rights, democracy
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken is on his first trip to India as America's top diplomat
Francesco Fontemaggi and Aishwarya Kumar, July 27, 2021

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken issued a veiled warning Wednesday about Indian democracy backsliding in his first official visit to Washington's important ally.
Rights groups say civil liberties and the space for dissent are under increasing attack in the world's biggest democracy under Prime Minister Narendra Modi's government.
Blinken told a joint news conference with Foreign Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar that the US and India "take seriously our responsibility to deliver freedom, equality and opportunity to all of our people."
But he added that "we know that we must constantly do more on these fronts, and neither of us has achieved the ideals that we set for ourselves."
Democracies should "always seek to strengthen our democratic institutions, expand access to justice and opportunity, stand up forcefully for fundamental freedoms," Blinken said. Under Modi, India has made growing use of anti-terrorism legislation and "sedition" laws to arrest campaigners, journalists, students and others, critics say. The Hindu nationalist administration has also brought in legislation that detractors say discriminates against India's 170-million-strong Muslim minority.
The government denies cracking down on criticism and says people of all religions have equal rights.
- Taliban gains -
Behind closed doors, Indian officials were expected to express alarm over Taliban gains in Afghanistan and to press Blinken for more support in the border standoff with China. US-India relations have historically been prickly but China's growing assertiveness has pushed them closer, particularly since deadly clashes last year on the disputed Indo-Chinese Himalayan frontier. But according to Brahma Chellaney, strategic affairs expert at India's Centre for Policy Research, US backing has "slipped a notch" since Joe Biden took over from Donald Trump as president in January.
"India is locked in a military standoff with China but unlike top Trump administration officials who publicly condemned China's aggression and backed India, no one in Team Biden has so far lent open support to India," Chellaney told AFP.
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So here is what was actually said by Blinken. (It would be interesting also to know the context, i.e. the specific question to which these words were spoken in reply.)
Blinken told a joint news conference with Foreign Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar that the US and India "take seriously our responsibility to deliver freedom, equality and opportunity to all of our people."

... "we know that we must constantly do more on these fronts, and neither of us has achieved the ideals that we set for ourselves."
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Democracies should "always seek to strengthen our democratic institutions, expand access to justice and opportunity, stand up forcefully for fundamental freedoms,"
It sounds like the most bland of generic pabulum. Literally everything else in the report is spin from the writer: "Modi is fascist, Modi is suppressing dissent, Modi is discriminating against Muslims"... paraded in a desperate effort to juxtapose it against the actual comments of Blinken.

I am reminded of the time Pidi Razdan asked a clumsy loaded question to Obama, hoping that he would make some "Modi is anti-democratic" statement in response. It turned out that Pidi had infiltrated a speaking event at which Obama (by then a former president) was addressing an assembly of Indian Youth. Obama simply refused to entertain her question at all, perhaps because Pidi Razdan is about as youthful as Rahul Gandhi.

Blinken's remarks appear to have been a response to some similar loaded question by motivated media. He did not dismiss the question outright (could not do so at a press conference) but the sheer magnitude of cross-eyed, constipated effort to portray his words as a "veiled warning" to Modi or India speaks for itself.

If Biden sarkar really are in favour of regime change in India, they definitely aren't going about it in a way that would please the BIFs. I think they are too smart to do that-- if there is even a hint of them openly shilling for the BIFs, Indian public opinion will swing even more sharply in favour of Modi (and also, into the bargain, swing against the US).

I am also curious about the "Civil Society" meeting that Blinken apparently addressed on his first night in India. A lot of people call themselves "Civil Society"-- Prashant Bhushan, Indira Jaising, Harsh Mander and what not-- and ALL these vermin would not let an opportunity pass to get their photo taken with US SOS, or at the very least get mentioned by name in the media as having met with him.

None of them was mentioned. The only named attendee was one Tibetan associate of the Dalai Lama. I wonder if the BIF people whom the sickular media routinely describe as "Civil Society" were even present at the meeting with Blinken.
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Blinken in veiled critique on Indian rights, democracy

The news is supposedly sourced from AFP but AFP has no mention of the news on its own website when I search it. Someone is pulling the strings to put it on the websites to make the visit more difficult. I won't be surprised if its a combo of ChinPakis creating a fake news.
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I think many of these articles are sourced from the Associated Press. Here is the AP piece released in advance of Blinken's arrival. Look at the title. Then look at the author's name. Everything will become clear.

https://apnews.com/article/religion-chi ... a4821cfc9d

There is a zoo-to-table pipeline of Pakis, Indian Leftists and Jihadi Indian Muslims infiltrating the international media. It started in the BBC, got massively amplified by Al Jazeera. I am tracing the specific route by which it arrived in America.

I think that a large part of this happened because of Glenn Greenwald (a maha chu*iya do-gooder left wing journalist, formerly of The Intercept, who made "human rights of Muslims worldwide" one of the key focus areas of his writings about 5-10 years ago). Greenwald invited jihadi serpent Mehdi Hassan (Indian-origin Brit from Al-Jazeera) to join The Intercept... which was at the time an independent but rapidly growing news portal. Mehdi Hassan went on to join MSNBC and has his own show on their "Peacock" cable subscriber news-and-commentary channel. Greenwald himself has since moved on from The Intercept and his pet project is now to defame Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil.

Other high-profile, "white saviour" champions of Islam in mainstream Western journalism are Dexter Filkins of the New Yorker (did a story in collaboration with Rana Ayyub on the Article 370 amendment) and Nicholas Kristof of the New York Times (has promoted Aakar Patel, Pratap Bhanu Mehta, and several other professional Indophobes while claiming to advance a "human rights" perspective).

(Nicholas Kristof, incidentally, is aiming to run in the Democratic Party Primary for Governor of Oregon. Please donate to his primary opponent, incumbent Governor Kate Brown, as generously as you are inclined.)

After taking the help of these White Saviours to position a few key godfathers in place (Mehdi Hassan, CNN's Farid Zakaria) the jihadi stringers are proliferating like cockroaches. That's where you'll find a lot of this spin comes from.
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@Rudradev thanks.
I finally connected the dots and found the source of the fake news and as usual the culprit is a peacefool.

Here is the dude belting out this nonsense.
Sheikh Saaliq
India correspondent, The Associated Press
Delhi, India
And here is his bio from https://www.linkedin.com/in/shsaaliq/
I work as a journalist with The Associated Press in New Delhi, India. My most recent work has remained at an intersection of politics, religion, conflict and human rights.

I have written about rise of Hindu nationalism and the apparent mood of fear, anger and disenchantment among India's minorities under Narendra Modi, reported on communal riots and caste based violence, covered the steadily growing discontent among the country’s Muslims and farmers against in face of discriminatory laws, documented disputed Kashmir's strife, and chronicled India’s fight against a pandemic that brought its economic and social inequalities to light.

My writing has appeared in publications including The New York Times, Washington Post, Time Magazine, AlJazeera, PBS Newshour and Christian Science Monitor.
Education
Jamia Millia Islamia
Degree Name Convergent Journalism
Dates attended or expected graduation 2013 – 2015


University of Kashmir
Degree Name Mass Communication and JournalismField Of StudyCommunication, Journalism, and Related Programs
Dates attended or expected graduation 2010 – 2013
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Thanks Vimal ji. I had no idea he was a kutta of such a pedigree! Of course, Al-Jazeera as expected.

Another godfather these swine have implanted is Basharat Peer... a Kashmir-born jihadi who is basically in full control of the Opinion section of the New York Times. Nothing gets printed in the NYT without his approval, and he decides who gets invited to write columns.
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Rudradev wrote:Thanks Vimal ji. I had no idea he was a kutta of such a pedigree! Of course, Al-Jazeera as expected.

Another godfather these swine have implanted is Basharat Peer... a Kashmir-born jihadi who is basically in full control of the Opinion section of the New York Times. Nothing gets printed in the NYT without his approval, and he decides who gets invited to write columns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basharat_Peer
Born c. 1977
Seer Hamdan, Anantnag, Jammu and Kashmir
Alma mater
Aligarh Muslim University
University of Delhi
Columbia University
Basharat Peer (born 1977) is a Kashmiri American journalist, script writer, author, and political commentator. Peer spent his early youth in the Kashmir Valley of union territory of Jammu and Kashmir and shifted to another city for higher education.[1] In August 2006,[2] he relocated to New York City in the United States, where he is currently based.[3][4][5] He is currently an opinion-editor at The New York Times.[6]

Peer was a member of the Open Society Institute—a George Soros initiative—in New York. He regards himself as simply Kashmiri, with his nationality being a "matter of dispute", owing to the violent and long-running conflict between India and Pakistan over Kashmir.[7][8][9]

Peer started his career as a reporter at Rediff and Tehelka. In his early career he was based in Delhi. He has worked as an Assistant Editor at Foreign Affairs and was a Fellow at Open Society Institute, New York. He was a Roving Editor at The Hindu. He has written extensively on South Asian politics for Granta,[16] Foreign Affairs,[17] The Guardian,[18] FT Magazine,[19] The New Yorker,[20] The National[21] and The Caravan.[22]

He is the author of Curfewed Night, an eyewitness account of the Kashmir conflict, which won the Crossword Prize for Non-Fiction and was chosen among the Books of the Year by The Economist and The New Yorker.[23][24]

Peer ran the "India Ink" blog on the digital edition of The New York Times.[25]

Notable work
Peer was the script writer along with Vishal Bhardwaj for the 2014 Bollywood film Haider, in which he also made a special appearance.[7][26]
Look at the wikipedia. not even at a single place, madar***ds mention India .. it is Kashmir valley, it is J&K but not India
He married Ananya Vajpeyi—a Delhi-based academician of Hindu–Sikh[13] background—in 2013, following an eight-year-long courtship.[14][15]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ananya_Vajpeyi
Look at how these are connected
Ananya Vajpeyi is an Indian academic and writer. She is Fellow at the Centre for the Study of Developing Societies.[1
Her book "Righteous Republic" won the Crossword Award for Non-Fiction (2013), jointly with "From the Ruins of Empire" by Pankaj Mishra.[8] It also won the Thomas J Wilson Memorial Prize from Harvard University Press[9] and the Tata First Book Award for Non-Fiction (2013).[10] It was also featured on the Books of the year 2012 list on The Guardian and The New Republic.[11][12]

She is the co-editor with Ramin Jahanbegloo of Ashis Nandy: A Life in Dissent (OUP, 2018)[13] and with Volker Kaul of Minorities and Populism: Critical Perspectives from South Asia and Europe (Springer, 2020).[14]

She writes regularly for The Hindu newspaper[15] and Scroll.in.[16] She has conceived, commissioned and guest edited several issues of Seminar magazine.[17]
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vimal wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:Well I don't think we can stop him, Indian FM meets Indian American societies in US. It is better such Associations are made out in the open.
Well meeting Indian American is very different from meeting Black Panthers or KKK. Does China allow such niceties?
There are not that many in this Civil Society Roundtable
A photograph of the meeting tweeted shortly after showed constitutional lawyer Menaka Guruswamy, Inter-Faith foundation founder Khwaja Iftikhar Ahmed and representatives of the Ramakrishna Mission, as well as Baha’i, Sikh and Christian NGOs present at the meeting with Mr. Blinken and U.S. Charge d’Affaires Atul Keshap.
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So all sarkari-approved Civil Society onlee. In the words of a famous Ford Foundation employee: "Sab mile hue hain jee" :mrgreen:
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saip wrote:
There are not that many in this Civil Society Roundtable
A photograph of the meeting tweeted shortly after showed constitutional lawyer Menaka Guruswamy, Inter-Faith foundation founder Khwaja Iftikhar Ahmed and representatives of the Ramakrishna Mission, as well as Baha’i, Sikh and Christian NGOs present at the meeting with Mr. Blinken and U.S. Charge d’Affaires Atul Keshap.
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Honestly, this is an even bigger Thappad against the tukde-tukde Urban Naxals than if Blinken had NOT had any "meeting with Civil Society".

In effect, the US State Dept has taken an official position on whom it considers to be *legitimate* leaders/representatives of Civil Society in India. The Soros-vadi brigade of Bhushans, Manders, Kanhaiyas, Sharjeels etc... who loudly declare themselves the guardians of democracy & human rights... have now become conspicuous by their exclusion from this group.

Well played by Jaishankar!
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Rudradev wrote:So all sarkari-approved Civil Society onlee. In the words of a famous Ford Foundation employee: "Sab mile hue hain jee" :mrgreen:
Some of the ppl in the meet may be suspect. MG is no fan of the current Govt, her dad is rabid lefty type (suitably masked). While prominent critics of current GOI weren't included, we don't know the rest who were either.
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No matter the wet dreams of assorted Indian award-wapasi brigade and "intellectuals" a visiting US SecState is not going to go too far and deliberately antagonize the government in power even if it is Modi. They know how the game is to be played. It is always what they do in the background or in secret that is the concern not their official statements and actions which will be typically measured and diplomatic.
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Karan M wrote:
Rudradev wrote:So all sarkari-approved Civil Society onlee. In the words of a famous Ford Foundation employee: "Sab mile hue hain jee" :mrgreen:
Some of the ppl in the meet may be suspect. MG is no fan of the current Govt, her dad is rabid lefty type (suitably masked). While prominent critics of current GOI weren't included, we don't know the rest who were either.
Theek hai na yaar.

So much the better, in fact. If some people at that meeting have established track records of opposing Modi Sarkar, nobody can say that it was a "sham Civil Society meeting" with only fake dissidents planted by the govt.

Point is:
1) A line has been drawn between Indian citizens who may strongly criticize the government (as welcomed by the Constitution) and BIF operatives whose agendas, strategies & tactics are certifiably anti-national.
2) That line has been drawn where the GOI wants it to be drawn, surgically excluding the shrill rogues' gallery of cancerous Urban Naxals who most crave international attention.
3) The GOTUS has publicly toed the line drawn by the GOI in this regard.
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Good work in unearthing the deep links of the AP reporter posting bile.
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Karan M wrote:
Rudradev wrote:So all sarkari-approved Civil Society onlee. In the words of a famous Ford Foundation employee: "Sab mile hue hain jee" :mrgreen:
Some of the ppl in the meet may be suspect. MG is no fan of the current Govt, her dad is rabid lefty type (suitably masked). While prominent critics of current GOI weren't included, we don't know the rest who were either.

MG was the lawyer who managed to get bail for ACM Tyagi in the Augusta Westland scandal. She was his lawyer.
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Rush Doshi is a US NSC China Director. Before that he wrote The Long Game, based on his PhD dissertation on China.
In the first chapter he has this long description.
Right in the beginning of the "Long Game", Doshi writes "A hegemon’s position in regional and global order emerges from three broad “forms of control” that are used to regulate the behavior of other states: coercive capability (to force compliance), consensual inducements (to incentivize it), and legitimacy (to rightfully command it). For rising states, the act of peacefully displacing the hegemon
consists of two broad strategies generally pursued in sequence. The first strategy is to blunt the hegemon’s exercise of those forms of control, particularly those extended over the rising state; after all, no rising state can displace the hegemon if it remains at the hegemon’s mercy. The second is to build forms of control over others; indeed, no rising state can become a hegemon if it cannot secure the deference of other states through coercive threats, consensual inducements, or rightful legitimacy. Unless a rising power has first blunted the hegemon, efforts to build order are likely to be futile and easily opposed. And until a rising power has successfully conducted a good degree of blunting and building in its home region, it remains too vulnerable to the hegemon’s influence to confidently turn to a third strategy, global expansion, which pursues both blunting and building at the global level to displace the hegemon from international leadership. Together, these strategies at the regional and then global levels provide a rough means of ascent for the Chinese Communist Party’s nationalist elites, who seek to restore China to its due place and roll back the historical aberration of the West’s overwhelming global influence.
I used to be irritated ever since Condoleeza Rice used to exclaim the US supports the global rise of India which is repeated by Blinken in his recent visit. This support of global rise is another way of proclaiming dominance or hegemony. And the constant undermining of Indian neighborhood to prevent Indian hegemony or dominance.

India needs to build its home region as a bulwark. China has done this in ASEAN and farther.
But before that India needs to defang its internal snakes being used by the hegemon.
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^Could not agree more Ramana garu. There is a lot to be learned by working on the sidelines & drawing lessons from the successes & failures of China in its ongoing struggle to confront US globalist hegemony. Left to ourselves, that is what we would have done. But XJP has decided that we cannot be part of the audience (as we would prefer at the moment) and has dragged us onto the stage as an adversary of China.

Ironically this serves both US & CPC purposes but not ours. The challenge now is to maximize what we can gain from US while compromising the minimal amount of our strategic flexibility.
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Antony Blinken & EAM Jaishankar Addresses Joint Briefing on Bilateral Ties, COVID & More
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERhY1cpUG0g
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https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/news ... pick-india
Garcetti and China: Unease over Biden’s ambassador pick for India
Joyeeta Basu, July 24, 2021

New Delhi: Eric Garcetti, the mayor of Los Angeles, is an illustrious man. A star in the Democratic Party, he is close to US President Joe Biden and is the latter’s pick for US ambassador to India, a country he apparently visited several times and even studied Hindi and Urdu in college for a year. He is also known to have shared Diwali greetings and observed Indian holidays. Those who know him and have worked with him, describe him as “bright and dynamic, kind, open hearted, and curious of mind”, someone who has travelled extensively in Asia and Africa; a Rhodes scholar, who has served in the Office of Naval Intelligence. He was also ambitious enough to toy with the idea of running for US President, until he abandoned it in 2019, and endorsed Joe Biden’s candidature. Biden made him one of his four campaign committee co-chairs, ahead of the election and eventually rewarded him with the ambassadorship to India. However, Garcetti is also close to China and a buzz is growing in the United States on why a “Sinophile” would be made ambassador to India at a time when ties between the two countries appear frayed beyond repair.
But incoming envoy Garcetti is a transparent man. He has not hidden his Chinese connections. On his LA mayoral website is a photograph of him sitting in front of a Chinese flag, meeting Hong Kong’s infamous chief executive Carrie Lam in 2018. The report is headlined “Mayor Garcetti wraps up Asia trade mission with stops in Vietnam, Hong Kong”. According to the report, when in Hanoi, he told the Vietnamese that “advancing human rights is an important goal for the United States”. However, when in Hong Kong, he “discussed best practices and future collaboration around trade, affordable housing, electric vehicles, innovation, and sustainability.” And this in spite of Carrie Lam’s track record of implementing Chinese Communist Party’s repressive diktat in the city state.
In a rather damning article on 26 May 2021, National Pulse, a Washington-based media outfit, quoted Chinese media reports to charge Garcetti of having “a long history of collaboration with groups tied to the Chinese Communist Party’s United Front Work Department (UFWD)”, of praising Xi Jinping as a “remarkable leader” and “privately” messaging “Communist influence chiefs” during his 2014 visit to China. It is not known if Garcetti refuted the charges made against him in the article.
If influence-peddling is the name of China’s game, then the Asia Society in the US is alleged to be at the centre of it. No wonder Eric Garcetti’s critics find his association with Asia Society of Southern California (ASSC)—he is the board member “on leave” of the Southern California chapter—as problematic. In this context, some light needs to be shed on Asia Society to understand their concern.
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The Indian reaction to Garcetti’s nomination is however much more lenient. In fact, many in the establishment are looking forward to having a US ambassador who has the President’s ear.
Also, as some China observers say, Garcetti, even if he is found to be pro-China, cannot alter the current geopolitical trend, which is while US-India relations are improving, US-China relations are deteriorating. “Even if he is a political appointee, he cannot cross India’s red lines,” said one observer, who did not want to be named. The red lines are, namely, Kashmir, trans-Himalayan borders, Indian Ocean, and any future sharing of critical technology. In fact, raising the Kashmir issue will be a deal breaker, which the US knows. The last person to have raised Kashmir was the pro-Pakistan State Department head of the South Asia division, Robin Raphel, in 1993, who inflicted great harm to India-US relations. But times have changed. India and US are strategic partners. The foundational agreements on intelligence sharing have enhanced US-India defence cooperation.
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Rudradev wrote:I think that a large part of this happened because of Glenn Greenwald (a maha chu*iya do-gooder left wing journalist, formerly of The Intercept, who made "human rights of Muslims worldwide" one of the key focus areas of his writings about 5-10 years ago). Greenwald invited jihadi serpent Mehdi Hassan (Indian-origin Brit from Al-Jazeera) to join The Intercept... which was at the time an independent but rapidly growing news portal. Mehdi Hassan went on to join MSNBC and has his own show on their "Peacock" cable subscriber news-and-commentary channel. Greenwald himself has since moved on from The Intercept and his pet project is now to defame Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil.
Greenwald, just like all these other leftist SJW types is an idiot. He is as queer as a three dollar bill.
Do these idiots never think for a moment what these jihadists types will do to them and are actually doing to gay people. the cognitive dissonance is literally killing people.
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The reason for the previous FS Sujatha Singh's abrupt departure may now have become clearer.

As part of the deep state congi boot licking darbaari's who held a large sway at the time, it looks like singh was jettisoned to teach recalcitrant and obdurate babooze an unforgettable lesson. she seems to have been running her own kingdom in the MEA, voting on personal whim and fancy at the UN without reference to the govt in power

Antony Blinken Visited New Delhi, And Brought Some Reality Checks With Him


Antony Blinken Visited New Delhi, And Brought Some Reality Checks With Him


Venu Gopal Narayanan
Jul 29, 2021

Antony Blinken Visited New Delhi, And Brought Some Reality Checks With Him



US Secretary of State, Antony Blinken, in New Delhi (Twitter)


Snapshot
Many 'commentators' of foreign policy were let down by what US Secretary of State, Antony Blinken, said and didn't during his two-day India visit.

In a sense, this feeling of being terribly let down by America represents their extreme disconnect from realpolitik.


American Secretary of State Antony Blinken’s two-day visit to New Delhi this week was closely shadowed by hubbub in disparate spheres. The most strident agitations were from the Left Liberal jamaat, who expected Blinken to rap India sharply on the knuckles for a variety of misdemeanors, like a school marm chastising a truant ward.

Long, anguished op-ed pieces competed with desperate tweets for readers’ attention so fervently, that one might have been forgiven for thinking that an Occidental reprimand was the sole agenda point on Blinken’s visit. This time, yea, this time, President Biden’s chief envoy would surely deliver a rocketing for the ages.

That was odd, because the real world was, in fact, buzzing with diplomatic activity, as a number of state and non-state actors sought to bookend Blinken’s visit to New Delhi, by posing in richly-symbolic postures on the world stage.

Chinese Premier Xi Jinping, for example, made a dramatic visit to Nyingchi airfield just days before Blinken’s plane touched down at Palam. The airfield lies in southern Tibet on the Brahmaputra, hardly a dozen miles from the Arunachal border. Coming as it did when Indian and Chinese troops are still tightly engaged on the border, this gesture had all the subtlety of a rhino in a coffee shop, or a carnation in a sea of lilies.

Pakistan’s National Security advisor, Moeed Yusuf, gave an affable interview to an Indian journalist; again, just days before Blinken’s visit began. The bonhomie displayed was illuminating, as was the first name basis employed. (This very curious interview will be analysed separately, in a forthcoming piece)

The Met department reported that it was raining QUADs. Even as one quadrilateral formulation between America, Japan, Australia and India progressed sluggishly, from fantasy to punctured reality (Blinken denied in Delhi that it had any military overtones), another of the quadratic variety sprang up overnight in Central Asia.

Apparently, an in-principle agreement has been arrived at between America, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Uzbekistan, ‘to boost regional connectivity’. The patent absurdity, of Pakistan and Afghanistan being forced to sit at the same table just so that America may retain a toehold in the region, precisely when a Pakistan-backed Taliban is surging to take control of Afghanistan, was lost only on those without a sense of proportion.

Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan demonstrated his considerable diplomatic skills, by segueing this incipient Quad with a most profound statement: ‘I think the US has really messed it up in Afghanistan’. Honestly, with friends like these, who needs enemies? (Naturally, there was no reference to the infernal double game played by his own army during the whole wretched affair!)

At the same time, the Chinese hosted a Talibani delegation in Tianjin, China. Using the same sort of subtlety their leader displayed by landing in Nyingchi, the Chinese said that they could work with the Taliban, as long as these Pakistan- and Qatar-based Afghan leaders broke with the East Turkestan Islamic Movement by Uighur Muslims (ETIM).

Someone should tell Beijing that asking the Taliban to crack down on the ETIM is like asking the Baader-Meinhoff gang to crack down on the Italian Red Brigade (both were militant ultra-left outfits which conducted numerous terrorist acts in Europe during the 1970s, including the kidnapping and assassination of Aldo Moro, a former Italian Prime Minister).

Ironically, these discussions took place while Pakistani National Security Advisor Moeed Yusuf, and the head of their Inter Services Intelligence, were parked in Washington DC.

Meanwhile, India lodged a formal protest against the Turkish opening of a sealed town in disputed Cyprus. This was a follow-up to Foreign Minister Jaishankar’s unexpected visit to Greece last month, and a surprising decision to hold joint exercises between the Indian and Hellenic navies. A thin red line was being firmly drawn, to deter Turkey from harboring any lunatic notions of participation alongside Pakistan in the Afghan fracas.

At the same time, Indian Defense Minister Rajnath Singh departed quietly for Dushanbe in Tajikistan, to attend a Shanghai Cooperation Organization meeting (SCO; a still-born Asian Quad of sorts, including Russia, China, and Pakistan, inter alia).


And, for the bunting, leaders of Indian communist parties attended a virtual meet hosted by the Chinese Embassy in New Delhi, as part of the Chinese Communist Party’s centenary celebrations. It was a shameful act, any way you looked at it, and while the Communists will spin their arguments in self-defense on the freedom-of-expression line, everyone knows that the point isn’t legalistic, but moral.

So, while Blinken was in Delhi, you had Afghans talking to Chinese, Pakistanis talking to Americans, Imran Khan talking to the press, Indians talking to the Turks through the Greeks, Uzbeks talking to Afghans (the official ones, not the rebels), and a Pakistani talking to an Indian journalist about why India wasn’t talking to Pakistan.

With all that and more going on, and so many dots to connect, it seemed a little puerile that, the only topic of interest for our usual suspects, was when Blinken would give India a moral tongue-lashing of Jeffersonian proportions during his visit.


Those hopes were, however, heartlessly dashed by Blinken, who instead displayed an exceptional lack of exceptionalism. Rather than rudely castigate India for her democratic failings, and audaciously rap a ‘Hindu-nationalist-majoritarian’ government on home ground, for a multitude of sins, Blinken, on the contrary, went out of his way to publicly explain just how democratic India was.

We may well imagine the dismay of our caterwauling classes. In a sense, this feeling of being terribly let down by America represents the desperate depths our progressives have fallen to, and their extreme disconnect from realpolitik. Too much online outrage only enforces irrelevance, and can even be counterproductive, especially when there is so much happening simultaneously. Not to mention the gall of wishing interference by a foreign power on domestic matters.

Similarly, Blinken’s profound silence marks the Democrats’ dichotomy, of having to give up their usual sermonizing in the wake of yet another war lost, in favour of some hard-nosed damage control with the only democratic power of worth, east of the Suez Canal. As they’ve now learnt, there’s a lot more going on in this world than race, gender fluidity, or pronouns, and it is spelt: multipolarity. In addition, Blinken would have been warned about the actual agenda getting derailed by a local squall, in spite of how ideologically enticing it may have seemed.

Consequently, the geopolitical implications are: no matter how many seminars Brown or Yale University conducts, on the supposed illiberalism prevailing in India, and no matter how many op-eds are written by academicians on why Modi must go, hardly any of that ideological outrage will ever translate into American foreign policy vis-à-vis India. Not even, as we note from Blinken’s stoic statements, by lip service.


Besides, people should remember what happened the last time an American doyen of the liberal world came a-visiting to Delhi. Barack Obama’s Siri Fort auditorium speech was delivered on 27 January 2015, a day after he attended the Republic Day parade as our chief guest. In it, he expressed his gratitude to Indians, on Indian soil, by lecturing Indians on the merits of religious tolerance. He said: “India will succeed so long as it is not splintered along the lines of religious faith…” [italics, this writer’s]

Foreign Secretary Sujatha Singh, a Congress-era appointee, was given her marching orders the very next day; it was inconceivable that a foreign dignitary might make such insulting, insensitive, patronizing forecasts of India’s Balkanization, while on Indian soil as an official guest, without at least some sort of tacit, local approval. It was also Modi’s first, overt move towards draining the swamp, and the message hit home hard.

The Americans have, therefore, learnt to their chagrin that anyone taking a patronizing tone in Delhi is going to find themselves hopelessly Quad-less, and that is something America simply can’t afford. On the other hand, Blinken’s polite toeing of a pragmatic line, along with his disinclination to moralise on this visit, shows that the Lutyens lot is, in fact, expendable by America at the altar of harsher geopolitical realities.


Venu Gopal Narayanan is an independent upstream petroleum consultant who focuses on energy, geopolitics, current affairs and electoral arithmetic. He tweets at @ideorogue.
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Superb piece ! Thanks for posting it.
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Ditto!
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https://news.yahoo.com/waiting-garcetti ... p_catchall
LA Times
Waiting for Garcetti: India evaluates its ties with a post-Trump U.S.
Tracy Wilkinson, July 30, 2021

Eric Garcetti is not exactly a household name in India.
The Los Angeles mayor whom President Biden nominated to be his ambassador to New Delhi has raised questions for some Indians about whether U.S.-Indian ties might change after the Trump-era favored-nation status. Administration officials insist India remains a priority and a vital partner.
But few things can match the "Howdy, Modi" rally then-President Trump staged for Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in 2019 at a state fair in Houston. Modi responded in kind a few months later with a massive gathering billed as "Namaste, Trump" in India's Gujarat state. The two regularly heaped praise on each other, even as Modi's policies on human rights and democracy were criticized as abusive.
Garcetti, as a political appointee, has little expertise in India beyond several visits and a year of college study of two languages spoken here, Hindi and Urdu. He does not have much professional experience in diplomacy, although he has a master's in international relations and was a Rhodes scholar, and he chairs C40 Cities, a global network on climate change. Traditionally, U.S. envoys to New Delhi are steeped in knowledge of the complex, volatile region or have lofty credentials.
It may not matter.
"Overall, the trajectory of U.S.-India relations has been going steadily upward for two decades," said Vikram Singh, an India expert at the U.S. Institute for Peace's Asia Center. The changes in the relationship are more likely to be in form and efficiency, with the substantive issues too big to allow for major shifts in the dealings between the two countries, he said. Those include forming a bulwark against an aggressive China and U.S. requests for assistance on Afghanistan.
The relationship "won't be performative, as it was with Trump," Singh said. "It will be much more businesslike."
Garcetti did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Reaction in New Delhi to Garcetti's nomination has been subdued but generally positive.
In a leading newspaper, the Hindu, commentator K.V. Prasad took note of "unflattering" assessments of Garcetti on his home turf but added he would be welcome here. He gets high marks for what is perceived as a close friendship with Biden, whom he served as a national campaign co-chair in 2020.
"From the standpoint of India, what is important is that Mr. Garcetti can pick up the phone and talk to the President and the Vice-President when required to move the pieces to provide momentum to the bilateral ‘global strategic partnership,'" Prasad wrote.
Others are more dubious, especially given this delicate moment for India, with a flagging economy, devastation from the pandemic and worries about threats from its neighbors like China and Pakistan.
"Garcetti is a rather lightweight appointment," said Mumbai resident Kishore Mandhyan, a retired senior United Nations official. "The appointment of an ambassador to India who understands the regional situation, who understands the internal situation in India, who understands his own government is very important. You would normally want somebody who can hit the ground running."
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@Soumyadipta · Jul 21

30 US organisations pleaded with Joe Biden to put sanctions on India.

They don't like Narendra Modi and BJP but want economic sanctions imposed on India.

This is a pic from the press conference.

Tell me, how many Americans can you spot?

All Indian origins aren't Indians at heart.


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How it started............


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and How it's going (till now).......


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https://www.thequint.com/us-nri-news/us ... #read-more
Thirty organisations have already signed the resolution and there are more to join, the speaker reading the resolution mentioned. The signatories include Action Alliance to Redress 1219, Ambedkar International Center, American Muslim Institution, Association of Indian Muslims of America, Cambodian Development Foundation, Center for Pluralism, Church of Scientology National Affairs Office, Coalition Against Fascism in India, Coalition of Seattle Indian Americans, Council on American Islamic Relations among others.
Great ! BIFs are getting easier to identify.

Some strange organisations in the partial list above:

Action Alliance to Redress 1219: Action Alliance to Redress 1219 is a group of international and Taiwanese legal, religious, and human rights specialists working to restore the truth about the ongoing persecution of Tai Ji Men in Taiwan (!) :roll:

Ambedkar International Center: AIC is a completely democratic organization run by elected executive board ! Every 2 years new executive board comes and continues to drive the mission at their full potential.
Current Executive Board Feb 2021 - Jan 2023 is as follows and reachable at board@ambedkarinternationalcenter.org
1. Sanjay Kumar, President
2. Rakesh G, Vice President
3. Archana G, Secretary
4. Mahesh W, Treasurer
5. RamKrishna B, Board Member
6. Mahesh G, Board Member
7. Chitra B, Board Member
8. Mahendra K, Board Member
9. Takshak N, Board Member

American Muslim Institution - https://www.americanmusliminstitution.o ... d-members/

Association of Indian Muslims of America : (aiee maa :rotfl: ) https://www.aim-america.org/bod.html

Cambodian Development Foundation (?!) :roll:

Center for Pluralism (Canadian one or the Aga Khan one?)

Church of Scientology National Affairs Office :rotfl:

Coalition Against Fascism in India : no website, only fb & twitter pages
see: https://www.newslaundry.com/2020/09/25/ ... -narrative

Coalition of Seattle Indian Americans - no website, only fb & twitter pages

Council on American Islamic Relations https://www.cair.com/about_cair/nationa ... directors/

Hope GoI takes note of these worthies.
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chetak wrote:
@Soumyadipta · Jul 21

30 US organisations pleaded with Joe Biden to put sanctions on India.

They don't like Narendra Modi and BJP but want economic sanctions imposed on India.

This is a pic from the press conference.

Tell me, how many Americans can you spot?

All Indian origins aren't Indians at heart.


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The filthy successors and DNA of Jaichands and Mir Jaffars.

How Ugly and Constipated they look :lol:
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The below is from 'Ambedkar International Center' website
Ambedkar International Center (AIC) is an Ambedkarites’ organization in the United States of America, with its headquarters in the heart of the US capital. AIC’s aim is to spread Ambedkar’s philosophy to the western world. To achieve this, we are planning to build an Ambedkar intellectual memorial near Whitehouse, USA. . It will serve as a “Statue of Equality” like “Statue of Liberty”, a gift by the French to the US.
And this is what they are proposing to build on the edge of Potomac river in the heart of Washington DC :wink:

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I wonder how many young and old fall for these charlatans who are using Ambedkar's good name to further their own nefarious agenda.
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Hope Indian embassy is profiling them. We need a "Jaichand Act" to jail Indians who reside on foreign soil and work against Indian interests, ask for invasion / sanctions against India or its democratically elected leaders. Jail these two-bit traitors with extreme prejudice.
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Most of them are not Indians but have long accepted citizenships of foreign countries but that does not stop them from linking up with resident Indian traitors, sepoys and 5th columnists to further their agendas. What is incredible and sometimes ironic are the forces that have come together over the past 4 or 5 decades to hurt India - the church, the radical islamists, dravidian and Khalistani separatists, the "ambedkarite/periyarite" crowd and ofcourse our eminent marxist intellectuals. In rest of the world these forces have been baying for each other's blood for centuries but when it comes to India they all have forgotten their differences and have joined forces.
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Ambar wrote:And this is what they are proposing to build on the edge of Potomac river in the heart of Washington DC :wink:
That looks majestic! GoI should support whatever org is pushing for this.

Maybe this way the International center can realize what the amerikis *really* think of them :mrgreen:
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Indeed, GoI could support them. Columbians should also support them. Their goal is unobjectionable -
AIC’s aim is to spread Ambedkar’s philosophy to the western world.
I also wonder why South Asian origin lawmakers are not helping them more to get this center built.
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What does Antony Blinken’s firm but graceful refusal to pass judgement on India show?


What does Antony Blinken’s firm but graceful refusal to pass judgement on India show?

There is just too much at stake in Indo-US relationship to let self-righteousness taint it.

Oopali Operajita |
August 3, 2021

Blinken (verb): to assiduously and tactfully refuse to be drawn into controversy; to maintain pivotal, cordial relationships, notwithstanding a cacophony of patently instigated noises, and, thereby, render those noises irrelevant.

The recent visit to India by the US Secretary of State, Antony Blinken, cemented the robust and time-tested relations between the world’s largest and oldest democracies. On the agenda for urgent discussion: Covid-19, Afghanistan, the Quad, and a raft of other pressing matters that could brook no delay. In the wake of this visit, and, in particular, the press conference that he and India’s External Affairs Minister, S Jaishankar, held at the conclusion of their talks, there was a flurry of articles trying to gloss over the fact that Blinken categorically — and graciously, in deference to accepted diplomatic protocol — refused to be drawn into any kind of commentary on India’s internal affairs. These articles epitomise a refusal to accept what is true. If only he had cried havoc and let slip the dogs of war! We might work ourselves into a lather all we want, and read dozens of meanings into his statements on both democracies, but the truth is that Blinken assiduously avoided being judgemental about India, saying that he approached India with a sense of “humility”. He alluded to our democracies as “works in progress” and offered up tangible praise for India as a democracy. I, therefore, name this sage diplomatic strategy the art of Blinkening, infused with fresh meaning and depth as it has been, by Antony Blinken. There is just too much at stake in this crucial relationship to let self-righteousness taint it. It takes a large dollop of naïveté to assume that any leader is simply going to jump into an arena now populated by activists and belligerent mediapersons, and, thereby, jeopardise important bilateral relations. The real world does not work that way. The very act of requesting another nation to interfere in India’s internal affairs is both immature and treacherous, and epitomises our colonial hangover.

Calling the US-India relationship “one of the most consequential relationships we have with any country on earth,” Blinken added: “Finally, our bilateral relationship is strengthened by our shared values. As two of the world’s leading democracies, we take seriously our responsibilities to deliver freedom, equality and opportunity to all of our people … Part of the promise of democracy is the constant striving for better. Those values are at the heart of our democratic systems. They’re at the core of the vast array of partnerships connecting our countries, not only between our governments but also between our private sectors, universities, civil societies, and most of all between our people.” As someone whose professional and personal investment in, and connection with, North America dates back to 1980, and whose areas of specialisation are cross-cultural communication, international relations, and public policy, I believe I have a reasonably accurate take on exactly what Blinken meant. He was not fudging around; what he said, with discernible eloquence, came from the heart.

In the above context, a couple of comments in the media need responses: One Indian journalist thinks Blinken “waffled painfully, trying his best to say nothing when asked about the Modi government’s democratic backsliding. But Dr S Jaishankar leapt in, right after, to reveal the three issues the US raised with India.” This is inaccurate, and sheer fabrication: I watched the press conference live. Blinken chose to reply first, to Courtney McBride of The Wall Street Journal, when she asked him about his perception of India as a democracy, and here is an excerpt from what he said: “I’m happy to start … The most remarkable democratic elections in the world, in many ways, are here in India, just by sheer numbers. It’s the largest expression of free political will by citizens anywhere on earth … And we celebrate that the world’s oldest and the world’s largest democracies are dedicated at heart to a shared set of values that I believe will ensure not only the success of democracy, but the success of the relationship between India and the United States.” Now, for someone who was trying to say nothing, Blinken said rather a lot, and there wasn’t the slightest trace of a waffle or discomfiture in his response.

In a predictably wilful and schismatic map of misreading, a writer at another daily refers, in a tweet, to her article which magnifies, out of proportion, Blinken’s discussion of “CAA, love jihad and farmers’ protests with civil society representatives”, hoping, desperately, to delineate this meeting as the reason for a US Secretary of State’s India visit. This is a risible and misfired attempt to diminish the centrality and positive outcome of the Blinken-Jaishankar dialogue, and the Blinken-Modi meeting, as if they were postscripts.


All those manufactured and spurious correlations, the hectoring and the cotton candy cozenage — they were all astutely banished. “Blinkened”, if you will. Blinken complimented India as a strong and resilient democracy, on more than one occasion, and with elegance. India now looks forward to President Biden’s visit.

The writer is a Distinguished Fellow at Carnegie Mellon University. Views are personal
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Ambar wrote:Most of them are not Indians but have long accepted citizenships of foreign countries but that does not stop them from linking up with resident Indian traitors, sepoys and 5th columnists to further their agendas. What is incredible and sometimes ironic are the forces that have come together over the past 4 or 5 decades to hurt India - the church, the radical islamists, dravidian and Khalistani separatists, the "ambedkarite/periyarite" crowd and ofcourse our eminent marxist intellectuals. In rest of the world these forces have been baying for each other's blood for centuries but when it comes to India they all have forgotten their differences and have joined forces.
Better yet, MEA should cancel all of their visitor visas and immediately family’s visitor visas too. Spouse, children and parents who are not Indian citizens.
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All that will hand them a convenient stick to beat us with, and a martyr tag as well. Portals like the troll and liar will be ready to provide their entire platforms to amplify their voice, and waste everyone's time. Just keep quiet, and tie their Indian records with a lot of red tape. So when they try to enter India next time, tell them to produce their old PIO cards issued during Vajpayee's time since the data is not showing up in the system, etc. Same for any farmland or property they own - quietly issue summons to justify holding agricultural land when the law prohibits them from doing so. There are some advantageous to having a vast bureaucracy, this is one place to use it. By keeping it individual and on a case by case basis, they cannot allege any systematic response from GoI, and their voice won't carry as far (they'll still outrage on the liar and other portals, but will now come across as entitled and embittered foreigners who are angry because they were in violation of Indian law).

Even if we don't do anything, these people have opened themselves up to being marked by the intel types. That itself is a good thing. Any intel agency will appreciate such "self-outing" folks - it reduces some their workload :)
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Ambar wrote: Snip.

I wonder how many young and old fall for these charlatans who are using Ambedkar's good name to further their own nefarious agenda.
This is more reflective of the inadequacy of the minds of these people then it is of anything that India or United States are thinking or planning to do.
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via@ragarwal
Rancid racism and necrotic neo-colonialism: "trade their usual morning fare of oily bread and greasy gravy"

In 1994 @KelloggsUS claimed it would change India's breakfast habits....
And now.....



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Nice. So their plan was I should ditch dosa, idli, appam, roti, sambhar, dal etc and eat corn based crap coming from a land that scarf down grits, gravy, bacon, sausage, ham, butter etc?

And we always had Champion cone flakes. So it is not like we did not know the rubbish
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hnair wrote:Nice. So their plan was I should ditch dosa, idli, appam, roti, sambhar, dal etc and eat corn based crap coming from a land that scarf down grits, gravy, bacon, sausage, ham, butter etc?

And we always had Champion cone flakes. So it is not like we did not know the rubbish
Don’t knock corn flakes. They’re good when roasted with peanuts, jeera, lal mirch, kali mirch, mustard seed and haldi.
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