India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
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Well aware of it, it was part of the " offsets" for the USD 4.1 Billion C17 deal. Just stating the impossible. There are no shortcuts. We need to invest and develop our own tech.
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https://www.wionews.com/india-news/pm-n ... tay-481163
Quad summit 2022: Here's PM Narendra Modi's schedule for Tokyo visit
Srishti Singh Sisodia, New Delhi, May 22, 2022
The Quadrilateral Security Dialogue (Quad) is scheduled to take place on Tuesday (May 24) as leaders of Japan, India, Australia and the United States will meet in Tokyo to strengthen bilateral ties and discuss global issues.
Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi will be in Tokyo for a two-day visit from May 23 to May 24. PM Modi will have 23 engagements, including meetings with three world leaders, in around 40 hours of stay in Japan, media reports said.
Meanwhile, Sanjay Kumar Verma, Indian Ambassador to Japan said on Sunday that PM Modi will meet around 35 major business leaders from Japan.
In addition, there will be a few CEOs, chairmen and presidents of the companies who will be independently and separately meeting PM, Verma added.
Australia's incoming prime minister Anthony Albanese, US President Joe Biden, Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida and Indian PM Modi will hold joint talks as well as bilateral talks.
In a statement released on Sunday (May 22), PM Modi wrote, "I will be leaving for Japan to take part in the second in-person Quad Summit. The Quad leaders will once again have the opportunity to discuss the various Quad initiatives and other issues of mutual interest."
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Gautam
Quad summit 2022: Here's PM Narendra Modi's schedule for Tokyo visit
Srishti Singh Sisodia, New Delhi, May 22, 2022
The Quadrilateral Security Dialogue (Quad) is scheduled to take place on Tuesday (May 24) as leaders of Japan, India, Australia and the United States will meet in Tokyo to strengthen bilateral ties and discuss global issues.
Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi will be in Tokyo for a two-day visit from May 23 to May 24. PM Modi will have 23 engagements, including meetings with three world leaders, in around 40 hours of stay in Japan, media reports said.
Meanwhile, Sanjay Kumar Verma, Indian Ambassador to Japan said on Sunday that PM Modi will meet around 35 major business leaders from Japan.
In addition, there will be a few CEOs, chairmen and presidents of the companies who will be independently and separately meeting PM, Verma added.
Australia's incoming prime minister Anthony Albanese, US President Joe Biden, Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida and Indian PM Modi will hold joint talks as well as bilateral talks.
In a statement released on Sunday (May 22), PM Modi wrote, "I will be leaving for Japan to take part in the second in-person Quad Summit. The Quad leaders will once again have the opportunity to discuss the various Quad initiatives and other issues of mutual interest."
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Gautam
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From RT:
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The United States cannot quickly achieve the changes they want in relations between Russia and India, the representative of the US State Department admitted
Now the Deputy Secretary of the Treasury of the United States has urgently flown to India, Reuters claims that Rosenberg's task is to warn New Delhi about the risks of cooperation with Moscow.
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The United States cannot quickly achieve the changes they want in relations between Russia and India, the representative of the US State Department admitted
Now the Deputy Secretary of the Treasury of the United States has urgently flown to India, Reuters claims that Rosenberg's task is to warn New Delhi about the risks of cooperation with Moscow.
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No harm in having chai biskoot and shaking hands saying we want peace and resolution onlee till kingdom come. MEA babus are specialists at that.
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Committed to making India-U.S. ties among closest on earth: Biden tells Modi
The U.S. President during a bilateral meeting with PM Modir the Quad summit, praised India’s Covid vaccination efforts.
U.S. President Joe Biden on Tuesday, May 24, 2022, told Prime Minister Narendra Modi that he is committed to making America’s partnership with India among the closest on earth, saying there is so much that the two countries can and will do together.
The two leaders are in Japan for the second Quad leaders’ in-person summit.
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That sounds as reassuring as Dhritarashtra's embrace ! India can be hugged only when it (Modi) makes the first move.
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This is from a paki outlet.
‘US doesn’t single out India on rights abuses targeting Muslims’
‘US doesn’t single out India on rights abuses targeting Muslims’
WASHINGTON: The United States doesn’t ‘single India out’ on its human rights violations and pursuit of anti-Muslim policies, US National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan has said, ahead of President Joe Biden’s meeting with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in Tokyo Tuesday, on the sidelines of the Quad summit.
“Biden has been clear from the beginning of this administration that we’ll speak out when we see any form of departure from or deviation from basic principles, fundamental freedoms, human rights, the values of democratic institutions, and the rule of law,” Sullivan said.
He also said that the US had ‘found a way’ to pursue practical cooperation with countries that were democratic and non-democratic, “while at the same time being clear and consistent of where American values lie.”
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New York Times writes of ‘India’s partition from Pakistan,’ when reality was just the opposite
https://robertspencer.org/2022/05/new-y ... e-opposite
https://robertspencer.org/2022/05/new-y ... e-opposite
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[/quote]Dilbu wrote:[url=https://www.thehindu.com/news/internati ... 456141.ece]
The two leaders are in Japan for the second Quad leaders’ in-person summit.
now that IS scary
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https://twitter.com/Katulis/status/1531 ... _tZ-7RA_mw --
Recipe for foreign policy report by U.S. think tank:
• 3 action verbs for title
• 8 basicfactspropaganda's gleaned from news
• 4 vague recs not far from what’s already being done
• 3 recs that can’t actually be done by USG due to capacity
• 1 hearty exhortation on values
Extra credit:
-throw in the word “strategic” or some variation on it
-add a list of advisors or reviewers, preferably a transpartisan group
-organize a panel with a former distinguished official, where the report is treated like tablets Moses brought down from the mountain
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Don't forget a disclaimer that the ideas presented are those of the authors. all mistakes are their own.
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Now it is the turn of another Think Thank Chachi, Lisa Curtis, to wag her finger at India.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles ... est-chance
India’s Last Best Chance
Choosing the West Over Russia Could Make New Delhi a Great Power
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles ... est-chance
India’s Last Best Chance
Choosing the West Over Russia Could Make New Delhi a Great Power
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And Lisa curtis was dubbed in the past as one of the "pro-India" think tankers
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^^The author's mind should be inseminated with a different seed: "Choosing India over Anything Else Will Make New Delhi a Great Power".
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When was she ever pro India. The thing I have noticed in US think tank circuit is that they are only pro US. The only difference is with how much condesension they approach India.
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perfectKL Dubey wrote:^^The author's mind should be inseminated with a different seed: "Choosing India over Anything Else Will Make New Delhi a Great Power".
The unfortunate thing is that the above is required for some Indians as well - even the resident ones.
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The fact that a rapprochement with US has to be a hard sell to India, with snake oil level arguments is quite revelatory in itself.
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now that IS scary[/quote]kit wrote:Dilbu wrote:[url=https://www.thehindu.com/news/internati ... 456141.ece]
The two leaders are in Japan for the second Quad leaders’ in-person summit.
Henry Kissinger: "It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."
a truer word was never spoken by this poisonous snake
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When was the last time one country wanted to make another a "great power"Rudradev wrote:Now it is the turn of another Think Thank Chachi, Lisa Curtis, to wag her finger at India.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles ... est-chance
India’s Last Best Chance
Choosing the West Over Russia Could Make New Delhi a Great Power
nice propogandu $hit
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IMPORTANT REQUEST
Does anyone here work at or know someone who works at Google? Does anyone know about the incident referred to here?
https://nationworldnews.com/googles-pla ... nd-rancor/
A Hindu org I work with has asked me to help write a rebuttal, but first I need to know the facts from someone who knows firsthand what actually happened.
Does anyone here work at or know someone who works at Google? Does anyone know about the incident referred to here?
https://nationworldnews.com/googles-pla ... nd-rancor/
A Hindu org I work with has asked me to help write a rebuttal, but first I need to know the facts from someone who knows firsthand what actually happened.
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You will never find actual information about exactly what happened.
A cursory reading of the topic suggests that this is an attempt to seek exactly the kind of response that you are attempting to draft.
These people will use your response as an evidence in support of their contention.
I would advise it to be ignored.
My reasoning for suggesting this course is action is as follows.
I am assuming at the onset that the setup is sucessful in this approach. Sillicon valley is a knowledge based setup. The promotors are required to mix with the VC crowd. The management types are required to drive the execution of programs in order to diliver on the promise made to the VC types.
Google is a successful setup from all reasonable measures. In the initial phase they didn't have any time to waste in getting talent that would be unable to perform. It would not matter what was the origin of this talent. Every one will be driven very hard and every one will be compelled to perform. No exceptions would be made.
Once the company became relatively sucessful, then space for individuals like this person becomes available, for a brief period of time. Perhaps due to external social and political factors.
Once such factors are dealt with within the larger society. The need to accomodate such individuals no longer exists. Google and other similar organization's are in that phase right now.
Such individuals will be eased out over a period of time. As the existence of these people is damaging to the future wellbeing and vitality of the company.
Therefore any response to this or any similar articles or moves will only serve to validate the issues.
Let the companies deal with this matter. As they know best how to survive.
A cursory reading of the topic suggests that this is an attempt to seek exactly the kind of response that you are attempting to draft.
These people will use your response as an evidence in support of their contention.
I would advise it to be ignored.
My reasoning for suggesting this course is action is as follows.
I am assuming at the onset that the setup is sucessful in this approach. Sillicon valley is a knowledge based setup. The promotors are required to mix with the VC crowd. The management types are required to drive the execution of programs in order to diliver on the promise made to the VC types.
Google is a successful setup from all reasonable measures. In the initial phase they didn't have any time to waste in getting talent that would be unable to perform. It would not matter what was the origin of this talent. Every one will be driven very hard and every one will be compelled to perform. No exceptions would be made.
Once the company became relatively sucessful, then space for individuals like this person becomes available, for a brief period of time. Perhaps due to external social and political factors.
Once such factors are dealt with within the larger society. The need to accomodate such individuals no longer exists. Google and other similar organization's are in that phase right now.
Such individuals will be eased out over a period of time. As the existence of these people is damaging to the future wellbeing and vitality of the company.
Therefore any response to this or any similar articles or moves will only serve to validate the issues.
Let the companies deal with this matter. As they know best how to survive.
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Agree, rebuttal gives these shitheads more air.
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Rising attacks on people and places of worship in India, says Blinken; vows US will ‘stand up’ for religious freedom around globe
New Delhi: United States Secretary of State Tony Blinken has said there has been rising attacks on people and places of worship in India and vowed that America will continue to stand up for religious freedom around the world.
He also said people from the minority communities and women were being targeted in other Asian countries like Pakistan, Afghanistan and China.
“The United States will continue to stand up for religious freedom around the world. We will keep working alongside other governments, multilateral organisations, and civil society to do so, including next month at the United Kingdom's ministerial to advance religious freedom,” Blinken told media persons at the release of the annual International Religious Freedom report.
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India should learn a lesson from the US and Foreign minister S Jaishankar should assure Secretary Blinken that India will 'stand up' for the rising gun attacks on civilians in the US that is perpetrating an unnecessary genocide on innocent US citizens. As India is also a democracy it's our duty too, to 'stand up' to freedom to life in other parts of the world.
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A very perceptive framework on corporate culture turns from pure merit based innocence to one of toxic variety of political correctness of the most outlandish variety.Pratyush wrote:You will never find actual information about exactly what happened.
A cursory reading of the topic suggests that this is an attempt to seek exactly the kind of response that you are attempting to draft.
These people will use your response as an evidence in support of their contention.
I would advise it to be ignored.
My reasoning for suggesting this course is action is as follows.
I am assuming at the onset that the setup is sucessful in this approach. Sillicon valley is a knowledge based setup. The promotors are required to mix with the VC crowd. The management types are required to drive the execution of programs in order to diliver on the promise made to the VC types.
Google is a successful setup from all reasonable measures. In the initial phase they didn't have any time to waste in getting talent that would be unable to perform. It would not matter what was the origin of this talent. Every one will be driven very hard and every one will be compelled to perform. No exceptions would be made.
Once the company became relatively sucessful, then space for individuals like this person becomes available, for a brief period of time. Perhaps due to external social and political factors.
Once such factors are dealt with within the larger society. The need to accomodate such individuals no longer exists. Google and other similar organization's are in that phase right now.
Such individuals will be eased out over a period of time. As the existence of these people is damaging to the future wellbeing and vitality of the company.
Therefore any response to this or any similar articles or moves will only serve to validate the issues.
Let the companies deal with this matter. As they know best how to survive.
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Here come India's rebuttal to US comments on religious freedom.
‘Vote bank politics in international relations’: India hits out at US report on attacks on minorities
‘Vote bank politics in international relations’: India hits out at US report on attacks on minorities
And wow this is good. This could very well have been written by a BR maulana.The Ministry of External Affairs on Friday reacted sharply to the US State Department’s report alleging attacks on minorities in India, calling it “ill-informed comments” by senior US officials.
The MEA, in its statement, said: “It is unfortunate that vote bank politics is practiced in international relations.”
“We have noted the release of the US State Department 2021 Report on International Religious Freedom, and ill-informed comments by senior US officials. It is unfortunate that vote bank politics is being practised in international relations. We would urge that assessments based on motivated inputs and biased views be avoided,” said foreign ministry spokesperson Arindam Bagchi.
“As a naturally pluralistic society, India values religious freedom and human rights. In our discussions with the US, we have regularly highlighted issues of concern there, including racially and ethnically motivated attacks, hate crimes and gun violence,” the official asserted via the statement.
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Rudradevji - I can point you to more detailsRudradev wrote:IMPORTANT REQUEST
Does anyone here work at or know someone who works at Google? Does anyone know about the incident referred to here?
https://nationworldnews.com/googles-pla ... nd-rancor/
A Hindu org I work with has asked me to help write a rebuttal, but first I need to know the facts from someone who knows firsthand what actually happened.
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Kaivalya ji, e-khat pls toKaivalya wrote:Rudradevji - I can point you to more detailsRudradev wrote:IMPORTANT REQUEST
Does anyone here work at or know someone who works at Google? Does anyone know about the incident referred to here?
https://nationworldnews.com/googles-pla ... nd-rancor/
A Hindu org I work with has asked me to help write a rebuttal, but first I need to know the facts from someone who knows firsthand what actually happened.
Rudradev DAWT brf ATT gmale DAWT com
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https://twitter.com/OSINTWa_com/status/ ... 6416417794
Check this whole thread to get a full picture of this CON woman
Conversation
OSINTवा
@OSINTWa_com
बीते कुछ वर्षों में अमेरिका में अचानक से "Caste" एंगल पर चर्चा होने लगी हैI अभी हाल ही में #Google में Caste के नाम पर कंट्रोवर्सी करने की कोशिश हुई, कुछ समय पहले #Cisco में भी यही केस हुआ थाI पर दोनों ही केसों में एक संगठन कॉमन था –
Investigation Thread:
Translated from Hindi by
In the last few years, there has been a sudden discussion on the "Caste" angle in the US. Recently #Google there was an attempt to controvert in the name of Caste, some time ago #Cisco the same case happened. But both In the cases one organization was common –
Check this whole thread to get a full picture of this CON woman
Translated from Hindi by
The organization that has suddenly raised the flag of "Caste" fault-line in America is named #EqualityLabs , whose founder is said to be Thenmozhi Soundararajan. It was born and raised in America itself.
Equality Labs is not yet an officially registered organization, and the specialty of the people associated with it is that they are all American.
There is something very suspicious about Equality Labs, they have changed their website several times, have removed many names of people associated with them, even removed the archives from the internet.
(5/n)
In its first report, Equality Labs formed OFMI with Bhajan Singh Bhinder, Bhinder's disciple Peter Fredrich, an organization accused of lobbying against India and spreading riots in Tripura #IAMC , its founder and the vicious name of American Jamaat Ecosystem Shaikh. Thanks to Ubaid
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another anti Hindu hit job by a deranged abrahamic
This woman is neither Indian, nor does she know India. She’s from LA, born to rich parents.
She’s claiming to be a “lower caste” Dalit Hindu but she’s actually christian.
What’s going on...
Why is she running smear campaigns against Indian amerikis of silicon valley
via@ashajadeja325
This woman is neither Indian, nor does she know India. She’s from LA, born to rich parents.
She’s claiming to be a “lower caste” Dalit Hindu but she’s actually christian.
What’s going on...
Why is she running smear campaigns against Indian amerikis of silicon valley
via@ashajadeja325
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I think this female should be renamed as Vishamozhi not Thenmozhi. She does drip of venom - can we trace how she claims "scholarship"? Only entry I can find lists a "thesis" including a documentary film on Caste and Violence against women from that bastion of anti-indian wokeness called UC Berkeley (frankly all the UCs especially Berkeley are nests of these vipers who brainwash successive generations, the academics are going down the pakistan).
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X posted from the political thread
can this tanvi clown explain why:
https://www.news18.com/news/world/ex-us ... 30923.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brookings- ... fbi-probe/
@tanvi_madan is a senior Fellow @BrookingsInst.@tanvi_madan
"'There is growing concern in Washington that if India doesn’t change course, it’s going to be harder to make the differentiation why a partnership with India is of value when trying to deal with an authoritarian China,’ a US official told me in light of the Pegasus scandal"
can this tanvi clown explain why:
Ex-US Army General, Brookings Institution Head Probed For Helping Qatar Influence US Foreign Policy
JUNE 08, 2022,
The FBI has seized the electronic data of a retired four-star general who authorities say made false statements and withheld “incriminating" documents about his role in an illegal foreign lobbying campaign on behalf of the wealthy Persian Gulf nation of Qatar.
New federal court filings obtained Tuesday outlined a potential criminal case against former Marine Gen. John R. Allen, who led US and NATO forces in Afghanistan before being tapped in 2017 to lead the influential Brookings Institution think tank.
https://www.news18.com/news/world/ex-us ... 30923.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brookings- ... fbi-probe/
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URGENT
India/Hindus have ONE USCIRF commissioner on our side. You may not expect it, but he is the Reverend Jonny Moore (confirmed from well-placed sources).
He has tweeted in support of Hindus and against calls for Hindu Genocide by maulvis of the Al-Aqsa Mosque. Hinduphobes are howling in fury at the stand he has taken.
https://twitter.com/johnniem/status/153 ... B23MML0Edg
IF YOU ARE ON TWITTER, PLEASE SUPPORT HIM BY AMPLIFYING HIS TWEET (RETWEETING AND LIKING). At least the allies we have, we should turn out en masse and back them to the hilt.
India/Hindus have ONE USCIRF commissioner on our side. You may not expect it, but he is the Reverend Jonny Moore (confirmed from well-placed sources).
He has tweeted in support of Hindus and against calls for Hindu Genocide by maulvis of the Al-Aqsa Mosque. Hinduphobes are howling in fury at the stand he has taken.
https://twitter.com/johnniem/status/153 ... B23MML0Edg
IF YOU ARE ON TWITTER, PLEASE SUPPORT HIM BY AMPLIFYING HIS TWEET (RETWEETING AND LIKING). At least the allies we have, we should turn out en masse and back them to the hilt.
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Did it. We need to go out on the attack and show how Rana Ayub is fanning hinduphobia and hindu genocide when she stays silent on hindus being killed in Pakistan or in Bangladesh, not to mention other forms of discrimination and abuse suffered by the Hindus. But no she decided to focus on India only and only muslims being "hurt".
We have to expose her for the vile fraud she is and do the same thing to Ilhar Omar too. How do we get CNN, WaPo, and NYTimes to sit up and take notice? Can we complain about their editors and their selective reporting and bias?
We have to expose her for the vile fraud she is and do the same thing to Ilhar Omar too. How do we get CNN, WaPo, and NYTimes to sit up and take notice? Can we complain about their editors and their selective reporting and bias?
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Ilhan Omar >> Rana Ayyub
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That Omar chick is funded by Qataris
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Why The Democratic Party is Bleeding Indian American Support
https://hinduamerican.medium.com/why-th ... 667dcb785f
https://mariawirthblog.wordpress.com/20 ... tions-not/
https://hinduamerican.medium.com/why-th ... 667dcb785f
https://mariawirthblog.wordpress.com/20 ... tions-not/
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I don't think we have fully understood the new dimension of how Islamism is being used as a proxy against India by certain Western interests.
From the 1940s until 2000s, the numero uno Islamist proxy of the Western Deep State against India was Pakistan. As we all know.
From 1947-48 until 1971, the Pakistan proxy was used for good old fashioned 2nd-generation war against India (open conventional war with tanks, planes, naval assets, etc.). Two failed invasions of Kashmir plus the Bangladesh war put an end to that.
From 1980s (Punjab) until 2000 approximately, the Pakistan proxy was used for 3rd-generation war against India. This is subconventional war: jihad, insurgency, terrorism etc. that attempts to "bleed by 1000 cuts" while falling short of a conventional response. In addition, Pakistan was assisted to develop a nuclear weapon so that it could conduct 3GW terrorism under a nuclear umbrella.
From 2000 until the present, a few things happened:
1) The blowback following 9/11/2001 made the US and West confront the reality of Islamic terrorism at a high-profile and public level. What had once been a somewhat useful proxy weapon to destabilize faraway countries, was now a direct problem for them. So they had to announce new policies (e.g. "we will go after terrorists as well as the countries that harbour them"). Needless to say, these policies were rarely followed-- BUT they did make it much more difficult for the Western Deep State to use jihadi 3GW as a proxy weapon against other countries.
2) Pakistan's stock in the US (despite 1,000 pardons and huge amounts of aid) declined sharply. This happened for many reasons: ISI playing an obvious double-game with respect to the Taliban, OBL being sheltered in Abbotabad, and finally the increasing closeness of Pakistan with PRC (CPEC etc) even as PRC slowly began to be seen as an adversary by many sections of the US establishment.
3) In the Dimran and post-Dimran era, the value of Pakistan to the US Deep State as a proxy Islamist weapon has declined dramatically. This does NOT mean they will not try to use Pakistan again, some day in the future. But for now, there is little to be gained (from the Western point of view) by staging 3GW jihad from Pakistan. The recent GOI policy of actively punishing Pakistan for infiltration and terrorist attacks, with artillery shelling, surgical strikes, airstrikes etc. has been a major factor in this. The strangling of the Pakistani economy through FATF is another factor.
So where did that leave the Western Deep State's techniques of using Islamism as a proxy weapon?
In 2011, the same year that OBL was found in Abbotabad, came the Arab Spring. Most Western media pretended this was some completely spontaneous and organic uprising (across Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Syria etc.) That alone should have tipped us off about what was coming.
What actually happened was that the Western Deep State had graduated to a new generation of warfare: 4GW. This is a form of proxy warfare based on information, and best suited to the internet/social-media age. It involves creating political instability, economic sabotage, civil unrest etc. through the careful manufacture, control, and management of media narratives. Regime change is not achieved through 2GW (as in the US invasion of Iraq), or by 3GW (such as the assassination of Indira Gandhi), but by pretending that what is actually happening is an indigenous "democratic" upsurge. Ukraine in 2014 is a prime example of this.
The language of "human rights" and "democracy" become all-important in 4GW. Of course, 4GW can be used to lay the groundwork for the implementation of 3GW ("they are not terrorists, they are fighting for human rights"), and even as a pretext for launching 2GW. Syria is a textbook example of all this. Bashar Assad was subjected to 4GW; when he defended his regime, "White Helmet" type narratives set the stage for 3GW (Al-Nusra and ISIS); and finally US, Turkish, and EU troops directly intervened (2GW).
Note that the use of 4GW enables the Western Deep State to use jihadi terrorism as a proxy weapon once again. After 9/11 it had become difficult for the Western Deep State to openly support (or ignore) state-sponsored jihadi terrorism by its proxies e.g. Pakistan-sponsored terrorism against India. But with the narrative machinery of 4GW, the Hillary Clinton State Department could sell the American and broader Western public on the idea that jihadi activities against targeted regimes were not driven by "Islamic extremism"... rather, they were organically inspired by a popular movement for "freedom, democracy and human rights". Even though the actual destabilization was through jihadis motivated by Islamic fundamentalism, the carefully-fabricated pretext was that of a popular uprising against authoritarian governments.
Thus, the American public (and in particular, Liberal Democrats) were convinced that they should actually support "Arab Spring" uprisings, because the resulting "democratization" would make 9/11 type attacks "less likely" in the future.
So the question is: WHO is the West's preferred partner in the Islamic world for its 4GW campaigns?
Not Pakistan (not at this time, anyway)-- TSPA and ISI utility to the Western Deep State have declined sharply for the reasons mentioned above. To the extent that Pakis are involved, it is as chaprasis and very junior partners.
The main partner of the Western Deep State in Islamist 4GW is the Muslim Brotherhood. They swept in, quietly, to fill up the vacuum previously occupied by Al-Qaeda and other Wahhabbi groups in the CIA's orbat. The clues were there even during the first dramatic "Arab Spring" event-- the overthrow of Hosni Mubarak in Egypt.
Note that this happened in 2011-2012, during the Obama administration. Note that the Secretary of State was Hillary Clinton, whose close aide Huma Abedin was a known Muslim Brotherhood affiliate. Note that after Mubarak was ousted, the US State Department backed the elevation of a Muslim Brotherhood leader, Mohammed Morsi, to the Egyptian presidency.
Muslim Brotherhood, of course, has its chief state sponsor in Qatar. And it has its chief media/propaganda wing (all-important for 4GW) in Al Jazeera, the Qatar-owned propaganda portal with ties to the UK and MI-6.
Muslim Brotherhood (MB) is a pan-Islamist organization, so it is much more friendly to Iran than (say) Al-Qaeda and the Wahhabbis. Conversely, MB has always been hated by the ruling class in Saudi Arabia and UAE. Mohammed Bin Salman and Mohammed bin Zayef, in particular, recognize it as a primary threat. Consequently, note how much effort has been expended by the US media on maligning Mohammed Bin Salman as an "autocratic dictator"-- as if that is different from any other Saudi ruler in history.
In Egypt, Al-Sisi ultimately deposed the Morsi regime and took over with Saudi/UAE help.
In Turkey, the US at first tried to run a coup against Erdogan using the MB-sponsored Fehtullah Gulen as a proxy-- but after that failed, Erdogan ingratiated himself with the Muslim Brotherhood and marginalized Gulen. So Turkey is effectively a MB state as well.
Altogether, in West Asia-North Africa, the current dispensation is as follows:
Qatar, Kuwait, Turkey, Libya (official govt) are all completely influenced by MB. Outside West Asia, Malaysia is another key MB state. Pakistan under Dimran was trying to join this camp, but no one took him seriously.
Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, Libya (rival claimant) are all anti-MB regimes.
Iran is fence-sitting and the pro-MB states are trying to woo the Iranian camp (Iran, Iraq, Yemeni Houthis) into their orbit. The initiative in Western capitals to support an Iran Nuclear Deal has a lot to do with this. Syria is in the Iranian camp, but the MB has since 2013 been trying to depose Bashar al-Assad; so Assad balances this through alliance with the Russians.
Meanwhile, MB has taken its pound of flesh from the US-- particularly from the Democratic Party, whose government brokered the initial recruitment of MB as a 4GW proxy. In exchange for its services, MB has ensured that its spokespersons and agents have been able to infiltrate EVERY left-of-center institution in the US: government, media, and academia in particular.
SO after this long preamble: what are the implications of all this for US-India relations?
The MB has become so well integrated into the US establishment that it is virtually impossible to tell where US' official agenda ends and where MB's own agenda begins. The MB has installed its people in the US Congress (Democrats Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib, and perhaps soon the Republican Mehmet Oz in the US Senate). It has placed its spokespersons in the US media (Mehdi Hassan of MSNBC and Basharat Peer of NY Times are the most high-profile ones). It has positioned its ideologues in the US academia, either direct or sponsored (e.g. Audrey Truschke). And it has hundreds of agents who have infiltrated local news media, schools, colleges, and local/municipal governments at every level.
When you have an administration like Joe Biden's, which cannot tell its a$$ from a hole in the ground, there is vastly more opportunity for MB and its proxies to do whatever they like in terms of implementing US policy. At this point it's not clear whether the US establishment is using MB as a proxy 4GW weapon against India, or the MB is using its vast access and influence within the US establishment to mount its own 4GW jihad against India, or both.
Most insidiously, MB has been a key player in the seamless integration of Islamist causes with the agenda of the Western Left. MB's cutout organizations, like CAIR, have a big role to play in this. Meanwhile, MB's alliance with Jama'at-e-Islami in the Indian subcontinent has elevated the influence of other American Islamist organizations like ICNA-- a front organization that was originally founded by JeI members responsible for the Bangladesh genocide.
All this gives the MB/JeI alliance the capacity to mask their 4GW jihad against India behind the postures and language of the Global Left: "farmers" protests, "civil/human rights violations" by CAA/NRC, "environmental" issues, "minority" oppression, etc. In terms of the media, MB ensures that people like Rana Ayyub have plenty of opportunity in the NY Times and Washington Post to set the narrative about India.
Every aspect of the multi-pronged anti-Hindu, anti-India 4GW in the United States-- even the Khalistani revival and the recent "caste"-based attacks on Indian techies in California-- bears the stamp of MB/JeI involvement.
In India itself, MB/JeI is a key organizational and financial node behind left-leaning media organizations, propagandists like Rana Ayyub and Arfa Khanum Sherwani, fake "fact-checking" outfits like Alt News, and social media campaigns designed to target Hindus and the GOI.
THIS is what SJS was referring to, more than anything else, when he told off the US for bowing to "lobbies" during his press conference with Blinken. He was letting the US establishment know that we understand the real reason behind Blinken's "human rights in India" statement-- it's because the crippled body of the US Democratic Party has MB and JeI proxies swarming like maggots out of every orifice.
From the 1940s until 2000s, the numero uno Islamist proxy of the Western Deep State against India was Pakistan. As we all know.
From 1947-48 until 1971, the Pakistan proxy was used for good old fashioned 2nd-generation war against India (open conventional war with tanks, planes, naval assets, etc.). Two failed invasions of Kashmir plus the Bangladesh war put an end to that.
From 1980s (Punjab) until 2000 approximately, the Pakistan proxy was used for 3rd-generation war against India. This is subconventional war: jihad, insurgency, terrorism etc. that attempts to "bleed by 1000 cuts" while falling short of a conventional response. In addition, Pakistan was assisted to develop a nuclear weapon so that it could conduct 3GW terrorism under a nuclear umbrella.
From 2000 until the present, a few things happened:
1) The blowback following 9/11/2001 made the US and West confront the reality of Islamic terrorism at a high-profile and public level. What had once been a somewhat useful proxy weapon to destabilize faraway countries, was now a direct problem for them. So they had to announce new policies (e.g. "we will go after terrorists as well as the countries that harbour them"). Needless to say, these policies were rarely followed-- BUT they did make it much more difficult for the Western Deep State to use jihadi 3GW as a proxy weapon against other countries.
2) Pakistan's stock in the US (despite 1,000 pardons and huge amounts of aid) declined sharply. This happened for many reasons: ISI playing an obvious double-game with respect to the Taliban, OBL being sheltered in Abbotabad, and finally the increasing closeness of Pakistan with PRC (CPEC etc) even as PRC slowly began to be seen as an adversary by many sections of the US establishment.
3) In the Dimran and post-Dimran era, the value of Pakistan to the US Deep State as a proxy Islamist weapon has declined dramatically. This does NOT mean they will not try to use Pakistan again, some day in the future. But for now, there is little to be gained (from the Western point of view) by staging 3GW jihad from Pakistan. The recent GOI policy of actively punishing Pakistan for infiltration and terrorist attacks, with artillery shelling, surgical strikes, airstrikes etc. has been a major factor in this. The strangling of the Pakistani economy through FATF is another factor.
So where did that leave the Western Deep State's techniques of using Islamism as a proxy weapon?
In 2011, the same year that OBL was found in Abbotabad, came the Arab Spring. Most Western media pretended this was some completely spontaneous and organic uprising (across Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Syria etc.) That alone should have tipped us off about what was coming.
What actually happened was that the Western Deep State had graduated to a new generation of warfare: 4GW. This is a form of proxy warfare based on information, and best suited to the internet/social-media age. It involves creating political instability, economic sabotage, civil unrest etc. through the careful manufacture, control, and management of media narratives. Regime change is not achieved through 2GW (as in the US invasion of Iraq), or by 3GW (such as the assassination of Indira Gandhi), but by pretending that what is actually happening is an indigenous "democratic" upsurge. Ukraine in 2014 is a prime example of this.
The language of "human rights" and "democracy" become all-important in 4GW. Of course, 4GW can be used to lay the groundwork for the implementation of 3GW ("they are not terrorists, they are fighting for human rights"), and even as a pretext for launching 2GW. Syria is a textbook example of all this. Bashar Assad was subjected to 4GW; when he defended his regime, "White Helmet" type narratives set the stage for 3GW (Al-Nusra and ISIS); and finally US, Turkish, and EU troops directly intervened (2GW).
Note that the use of 4GW enables the Western Deep State to use jihadi terrorism as a proxy weapon once again. After 9/11 it had become difficult for the Western Deep State to openly support (or ignore) state-sponsored jihadi terrorism by its proxies e.g. Pakistan-sponsored terrorism against India. But with the narrative machinery of 4GW, the Hillary Clinton State Department could sell the American and broader Western public on the idea that jihadi activities against targeted regimes were not driven by "Islamic extremism"... rather, they were organically inspired by a popular movement for "freedom, democracy and human rights". Even though the actual destabilization was through jihadis motivated by Islamic fundamentalism, the carefully-fabricated pretext was that of a popular uprising against authoritarian governments.
Thus, the American public (and in particular, Liberal Democrats) were convinced that they should actually support "Arab Spring" uprisings, because the resulting "democratization" would make 9/11 type attacks "less likely" in the future.
So the question is: WHO is the West's preferred partner in the Islamic world for its 4GW campaigns?
Not Pakistan (not at this time, anyway)-- TSPA and ISI utility to the Western Deep State have declined sharply for the reasons mentioned above. To the extent that Pakis are involved, it is as chaprasis and very junior partners.
The main partner of the Western Deep State in Islamist 4GW is the Muslim Brotherhood. They swept in, quietly, to fill up the vacuum previously occupied by Al-Qaeda and other Wahhabbi groups in the CIA's orbat. The clues were there even during the first dramatic "Arab Spring" event-- the overthrow of Hosni Mubarak in Egypt.
Note that this happened in 2011-2012, during the Obama administration. Note that the Secretary of State was Hillary Clinton, whose close aide Huma Abedin was a known Muslim Brotherhood affiliate. Note that after Mubarak was ousted, the US State Department backed the elevation of a Muslim Brotherhood leader, Mohammed Morsi, to the Egyptian presidency.
Muslim Brotherhood, of course, has its chief state sponsor in Qatar. And it has its chief media/propaganda wing (all-important for 4GW) in Al Jazeera, the Qatar-owned propaganda portal with ties to the UK and MI-6.
Muslim Brotherhood (MB) is a pan-Islamist organization, so it is much more friendly to Iran than (say) Al-Qaeda and the Wahhabbis. Conversely, MB has always been hated by the ruling class in Saudi Arabia and UAE. Mohammed Bin Salman and Mohammed bin Zayef, in particular, recognize it as a primary threat. Consequently, note how much effort has been expended by the US media on maligning Mohammed Bin Salman as an "autocratic dictator"-- as if that is different from any other Saudi ruler in history.
In Egypt, Al-Sisi ultimately deposed the Morsi regime and took over with Saudi/UAE help.
In Turkey, the US at first tried to run a coup against Erdogan using the MB-sponsored Fehtullah Gulen as a proxy-- but after that failed, Erdogan ingratiated himself with the Muslim Brotherhood and marginalized Gulen. So Turkey is effectively a MB state as well.
Altogether, in West Asia-North Africa, the current dispensation is as follows:
Qatar, Kuwait, Turkey, Libya (official govt) are all completely influenced by MB. Outside West Asia, Malaysia is another key MB state. Pakistan under Dimran was trying to join this camp, but no one took him seriously.
Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, Libya (rival claimant) are all anti-MB regimes.
Iran is fence-sitting and the pro-MB states are trying to woo the Iranian camp (Iran, Iraq, Yemeni Houthis) into their orbit. The initiative in Western capitals to support an Iran Nuclear Deal has a lot to do with this. Syria is in the Iranian camp, but the MB has since 2013 been trying to depose Bashar al-Assad; so Assad balances this through alliance with the Russians.
Meanwhile, MB has taken its pound of flesh from the US-- particularly from the Democratic Party, whose government brokered the initial recruitment of MB as a 4GW proxy. In exchange for its services, MB has ensured that its spokespersons and agents have been able to infiltrate EVERY left-of-center institution in the US: government, media, and academia in particular.
SO after this long preamble: what are the implications of all this for US-India relations?
The MB has become so well integrated into the US establishment that it is virtually impossible to tell where US' official agenda ends and where MB's own agenda begins. The MB has installed its people in the US Congress (Democrats Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib, and perhaps soon the Republican Mehmet Oz in the US Senate). It has placed its spokespersons in the US media (Mehdi Hassan of MSNBC and Basharat Peer of NY Times are the most high-profile ones). It has positioned its ideologues in the US academia, either direct or sponsored (e.g. Audrey Truschke). And it has hundreds of agents who have infiltrated local news media, schools, colleges, and local/municipal governments at every level.
When you have an administration like Joe Biden's, which cannot tell its a$$ from a hole in the ground, there is vastly more opportunity for MB and its proxies to do whatever they like in terms of implementing US policy. At this point it's not clear whether the US establishment is using MB as a proxy 4GW weapon against India, or the MB is using its vast access and influence within the US establishment to mount its own 4GW jihad against India, or both.
Most insidiously, MB has been a key player in the seamless integration of Islamist causes with the agenda of the Western Left. MB's cutout organizations, like CAIR, have a big role to play in this. Meanwhile, MB's alliance with Jama'at-e-Islami in the Indian subcontinent has elevated the influence of other American Islamist organizations like ICNA-- a front organization that was originally founded by JeI members responsible for the Bangladesh genocide.
All this gives the MB/JeI alliance the capacity to mask their 4GW jihad against India behind the postures and language of the Global Left: "farmers" protests, "civil/human rights violations" by CAA/NRC, "environmental" issues, "minority" oppression, etc. In terms of the media, MB ensures that people like Rana Ayyub have plenty of opportunity in the NY Times and Washington Post to set the narrative about India.
Every aspect of the multi-pronged anti-Hindu, anti-India 4GW in the United States-- even the Khalistani revival and the recent "caste"-based attacks on Indian techies in California-- bears the stamp of MB/JeI involvement.
In India itself, MB/JeI is a key organizational and financial node behind left-leaning media organizations, propagandists like Rana Ayyub and Arfa Khanum Sherwani, fake "fact-checking" outfits like Alt News, and social media campaigns designed to target Hindus and the GOI.
THIS is what SJS was referring to, more than anything else, when he told off the US for bowing to "lobbies" during his press conference with Blinken. He was letting the US establishment know that we understand the real reason behind Blinken's "human rights in India" statement-- it's because the crippled body of the US Democratic Party has MB and JeI proxies swarming like maggots out of every orifice.
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My point is that Ilhan Omar is a much harder nut to crack. As it is, India is unable to crack Rana Ayyub yet. I am hoping that Omar will be history in 2022.vimal wrote:That Omar chick is funded by Qataris
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