India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

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And if anyone is in any false paradise - please see the dying message of journalist Rohit Sardana (Aaj Tak) decrying corruption and lack of leadership leaving the common man to fend for themselves. I don't need to talk about my personal losses - every one of us has lost loved ones and friends aplenty. A blowback is coming once the situation stabilizes. So talk about toppling US regime sounds a little un real at this stage.
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Not sure if this topic has been discussed here.

Advocacy Group Fights India Caste System Discrimination in Silicon Valley

Protestors took to the streets ahead of a major hearing in Santa Clara County on Thursday. Officials are trying to determine if “caste” can be used as a separate category in their discrimination policy. Critics say this effort being led by Equality Labs is Anti-Indian and Anti-Hindu.

https://diyatvusa.com/2021/04/29/protes ... e-hearing/
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It is the current US regime which is ruining relations with India - day by day. No one in India cares about the US as they have their own lives to live. There is no reason to support the current US regime, just ignore them and focus on trade relations, but the US regime must resign or be impeached.

The irresponsible press in India and opposition politicians have threatened Adar Poonawalla and he's had to exile himself and family in London. It is absolutely shameful.

Various state governments in India have failed the people. The highest CFR by Indian state are:

1. Punjab
2. Sikkim
3. Maharashtra
4. Himachal Pradesh
5. Uttarakhand
6. Delhi
7. Puducherry
8. West Bengal
9. Goa
10. J&K
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ramana wrote:
g.sarkar wrote:https://www.rediff.com/news/column/bide ... 210429.htm
Biden's 'mild shock' to Modi
By Ambassador T P SREENIVASAN, April 29, 2021
Gautam


It really takes a pea sized American brain to not comprehend a major corona outbreak in any part of the world is bound to reach them sooner or later., the more variants develop the more likely they will get infected !! ., they can delay but not prevent the eventuality.

The presumption indeed points to sinister regime change . Americans cannot be trusted . Wonder what we are doing with the QUAD et all !! The Chinese at least are more predictable.

A unpredictable "friend" is worse than a predictable enemy.
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kit wrote:
ramana wrote:
It really takes a pea sized American brain to not comprehend a major corona outbreak in any part of the world is bound to reach them sooner or later., the more variants develop the more likely they will get infected !! ., they can delay but not prevent the eventuality.

The presumption indeed points to sinister regime change . Americans cannot be trusted . Wonder what we are doing with the QUAD et all !! The Chinese at least are more predictable.

A unpredictable "friend" is worse than a predictable enemy.
America was never our friend. It was a foolish mistake. If we ever considered America our friend. We are but tools in a game.
We should learn from everyone's mistakes. Our neighbour's Pakis always get emotional about US and China etc. We should not have any emotional attachments to other countries. For US and its leaders our people in US are a bunch of educated, pliant and loyal minions who can serve a specific need. What do the sundar pichai's, satya nadella's and millions of suburban dwelling lawn mowing Indians mean to US? Nothing more than a loyal and subservient slave class burdened by its own selfishness. A non-problematic docile consumer base. The US white classes never had any attachments to India or its original people.

The mindset of US which predicted that millions of Indians will die everyday in 1940' has not changed much. America respects power and money only.
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https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/news ... modi-biden
Kinetic storm clouds gather over Indo-Pacific for Modi and Biden
Madhav Nalapat, May 1, 2021

Bengaluru: The absence within the Joe Biden administration of high-level in-depth expertise on today’s India resulted in the earlier errors made by wings of the US Government in dealing with the 21st century’s most consequential partner for the United States. Despite its puny trade figures, the Sino-Pakistan lobby within the Biden administration ensured that India was placed alongside China both as a currency manipulator and as a country where freedom of worship has been severely curtailed. The claim is that this took place since Narendra Modi became Prime Minister in 2014. At the same time as assistance from the Indian side was needed to ensure that President Ashraf Ghani (the elected Head of State and Government in Afghanistan) does not go the Najibullah way at the hands of the Taliban and its GHQ-linked affiliates, a US Navy vessel not only entered India’s exclusive economic zone but made a public song and dance about the incursion, in tones that once again equated China with India. State Department spokesperson Ned Price had during his long stint in the CIA established cosy relationships with that longstanding auxiliary force of the PLA, GHQ Rawalpindi. Where the Pakistan lobby is active, the China lobby cannot but be close, and Price lived up to their expectations by insensitive comments regarding the need for India to scale up vaccine production with the help of the US. If the State Department spokesperson were to be taken seriously as reflecting the views of the US Government, he would have made Secretary of State Anthony Blinken sound less than sincere in the latter’s outreach to India. Fortunately, unlike some of his subordinates, the US Secretary of State has shown a comprehensive understanding of the security paradigm consequent to the onset of Cold War 2.0 between the PRC and the US.
SINO-PAK LOBBIES TOGETHER IN U.S.
Despite, or perhaps because of, the idealism of Senator Bernie Sanders, his 2019 Presidential campaign staff got infiltrated by elements that were embedded in the Sino-Pakistan lobbies working hard in Washington to further the interests of Beijing and Rawalpindi. The Sanders campaign also contained idealists of the stamp of the Senator himself, and fortunately, such elements were a majority, but their “street smarts” were limited. In contrast, skill in inserting themselves into key slots within the US administration ensured that members of the Sino-Pakistan lobby infiltrated the government headed by President Biden and Vice-President Kamala Harris. It must be added that only a segment of the Pakistani-American community backs GHQ Rawalpindi and its longstanding and generous mentor, the PLA. Most belonging to this group have family in Pakistan that are beneficiaries of the control of much of the economy by the army. Other Pakistani-Americans understand that the military in Pakistan is a parasitical force that is draining away the resilience of the country of their origins. The army has, especially since the resignation as Chief of Army Staff by General Pervez Musharraf in 2007, been firmly within the PRC camp while declaring fealty to US interests and occasionally performing errands for their former mentor. The GHQ Rawalpindi lobby within Washington functions closely with the PLA lobby, which is among the primary reasons why Beijing continues to be so generous to the Pakistan military even after the value of that force as a means of constraining India has declined. Both in India as well as the US, the Russian and PRC lobbies function apart from each other, while the Pakistan and China lobbies work closely together. Apart from “influence operations” seeking to ensure that India and the US do not get into a military alliance, Moscow is not active in any of the measures designed to weaken India, although its associates are intensely active in the US, much as the Sino-Pakistan lobby is in India.
TRYING TO DISPLACE DOLLAR PRIMACY
Unlike earlier estimates about Joe Biden being “soft and predictable” on China, the 46th President of the US has shown himself to be no different from the O’Brien-Pompeo camp in the Trump administration in tackling the danger to US interests represented by the challenge posed by Chinese Communist Party General Secretary Xi Jinping. Wall Street retains considerable influence within the Biden administration, mainly through the Clinton and Obama camps. However, both Biden as well as Kamala Harris have demonstrated their unwillingness to put the interests of Wall Street above those of Main Street. Financial barons in the US have long profited by the PRC at the cost of participating in the hollowing out US manufacturing and working against US influence and interests. Their mindset appears to be that even if the country as a whole suffers, their own personal fortunes would grow. Those tasked with tracking developments in the ongoing battle being waged by China and Russia to displace the US dollar as the global reserve currency have suggested “active” rather than “passive” defence. This would involve (i) the delisting of PRC-linked ADRs that fail to comply with US accounting rules, and (ii) freezing of assets located in the US of Communist Party of China (CCP) bigwigs. Should Canada and some in the EU join in such a freeze, the impact on the personal wealth of the CCP tigers would be severe, unless they and their families were to relocate to the US or other major democracies. Even the “people’s President”, Barack Obama, gave a free pass to Wall Street operators even after they sent several million US citizens into poverty in 2008, but such immunity may not get continued under Biden, especially in the case of fund managers who send US capital to PRC-controlled entities active in the production of weapons such as missiles and aircraft carriers.
Experts in financial warfare have pointed out that the PRC is seeking to topple the US dollar from its perch at the top of the currency scale. The CCP leadership expects to take advantage of the fact that essential spending plus military expenditures closed in on 140% during the Trump administration, and the gap is rising further under Biden. The US Federal Reserve Board is printing trillions of dollars in order to enable President Biden and Vice-President Harris to restructure society in a manner that ameliorates the inequities of the past.
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The scientific crime against the humanity continues. US for weeks, if not months, have known that they aren't going to use AZ vaccines but won't release them to other countries that are waiting for AZ vaccines.
US lawmakers urge Biden to prioritise sending AstraZeneca vaccines to India
https://www.wionews.com/india-news/us-l ... dia-382773
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On April 26, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki had said that the AZ doses will need quality clearance from the FDA before being shipped out to India and other countries. “This is being done in the context of the FDA’s ongoing review of all doses made at the plant where these AstraZeneca doses were produced”, she said.
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^^^It isn't just India, the US regime is denying 60 million unused doses to hard hit places like Brazil and Mexico. The US corporate media like CNN, MSDNC, FOX, NYT, WaPo, Time, Newsweek are all complicit in this.

The quote from madam Psaki demonstrates the intent to maximize kill rate in India for achieving political goal of destabilizing the BJP government. No timeline given. Until then the priority in international relations is the prepping for the G7 summit.
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Mort Walker wrote:^^^It isn't just India, the US regime is denying 60 million unused doses to hard hit places like Brazil and Mexico. The US corporate media like CNN, MSDNC, FOX, NYT, WaPo, Time, Newsweek are all complicit in this.

The quote from madam Psaki demonstrates the intent to maximize kill rate in India for achieving political goal of destabilizing the BJP government. No timeline given. Until then the priority in international relations is the prepping for the G7 summit.
US Likely To Send 20 Million Doses Of Covid-19 Vaccine To India From Its AstraZeneca Order: Report

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/us-likely ... der-report

1 week worth of supply. every bit helps in the current situation
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Covid-19: 12 Republican lawmakers urge Biden admin to not support India's proposal at WTO
https://www.wionews.com/india-news/covi ... wto-382859
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Spearheaded by Congressmen Jim Jordan and Darrell Issa, the lawmakers said the requested waiver is extraordinarily broad and unnecessary to accomplish the goal of giving as many people as possible access to vaccines and treatment for COVID-19.
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Among other signatories to the letter are Steve Chabot, Louie Gohmert, Matt Gaetz, Mike Johnson, Tom Tiffany, Thomas Massie, Dan Bishop, Michelle Fischbach, Scott Fitzgerald and Cliff Bentz.
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"Gifting away our technological leadership and competitive advantage at a time when the US economy remains vulnerable would be irresponsible and send the wrong message to millions of American taxpayers. The damage would extend beyond even the considerable value of COVID-19 vaccines and medicines, also endangering the far greater value of the jobs and economic growth promised by these IP rights and the advanced technologies they represent," the Republican Congressmen said in the letter.
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Good - let them keep pushing back, we can (and should) license Covaxin to other countries and undercut these efforts. The battle of geopolitics never stops, so we should also play the game.
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Money will always be more powerful than wokeness.
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President Joe Biden is considering appointing Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti to a diplomatic post — likely U.S. Ambassador to India, according to a report Tuesday evening by Axios.
Never heard of mayor Eric Garcetti, not sure how well he knows the region, the culture, its history and politics. Atleast i guess we can be glad its not someone like Ro Khanna or Promila Jaypal.
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Ambar wrote:
President Joe Biden is considering appointing Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti to a diplomatic post — likely U.S. Ambassador to India, according to a report Tuesday evening by Axios.
Never heard of mayor Eric Garcetti, not sure how well he knows the region, the culture, its history and politics. Atleast i guess we can be glad its not someone like Ro Khanna or Promila Jaypal.
have to wait and see what woke agenda he brings with him.

but one thing is sure that by appointing a nonentity to this post, beijingbiden has attempted to show us our aukat.
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Garcetti’s background is ethnic conflicts and human rights. His appointment will be nothing but trouble. The US regime is setting up the pieces for regime change in India. His agenda will be to meet with BIF Urban Naxals, the Arundhati Roy type intellectuals, and Nehru-Gandhi clan.
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Mort Walker wrote:Garcetti’s background is ethnic conflicts and human rights. His appointment will be nothing but trouble. The US regime is setting up the pieces for regime change in India. His agenda will be to meet with BIF Urban Naxals, the Arundhati Roy type intellectuals, and Nehru-Gandhi clan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Garcetti

Professional career
Prior to his election to the Los Angeles City Council, Garcetti was a visiting instructor of international affairs at the University of Southern California, and an assistant professor of diplomacy and world affairs at Occidental College.[4] His academic work focused on ethnic conflict and nationalism in Southeast Asia and Northeast Africa. During this time, he published articles and chapters of books on post-conflict societies, Eritrean nationalism, and non-violent action.[22] He has served on the California board of Human Rights Watch,[23] and currently serves on the advisory board for Young Storytellers, an arts education nonprofit organization based in Los Angeles.[24] Garcetti is a member of the Inter-American Dialogue.[/b]
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^^^^^^^

a hard core woke commie
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Is a host nation obliged to accept a said ambassador? I do not think so.
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Ambar wrote:
Never heard of mayor Eric Garcetti, not sure how well he knows the region, the culture, its history and politics. Atleast i guess we can be glad its not someone like Ro Khanna or Promila Jaypal.
When it comes to India and Tukde-Tukde gang, he's on par with Khanna's and Jaypal's of the world. If appointed, I'm sure he would work against Modi's agenda.
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To add to the list: Jewish connection, Columbia, Oxford. Another one from the Soros stable?
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Correction Jayji, Eric Garcetti is worse than the Jaypals/Jaichands of the world. This is hard core dhimmitude we're talking about.
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Lisa wrote:Is a host nation obliged to accept a said ambassador? I do not think so.
Better to make people like this become an advocate for your side. It should be tried as he’s young (40s?) and maybe impressionable.
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Human Rights Watch history ,... EC a recipe for friction from the start. It's going to be a rocky road . Expect even more pressure upon us to abandon Ru arms and become a US catamite like Pak,making use of our current CV crisis. Like the LBJ blackmail over PL-480 shipments, CV related essential material,etc. will be used to reel us in. Unfortunately, our FM is too fond of Uncle Sam
and will willingly let us fry on the Yanqui barbecue grill .
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If Eric Garcetti, is appointed as an ambassador to India by Biden Admin, then it will the most clear evidence that Biden Admin has no interest in furthering any kind of relationship with India. They will only be taking empty platitudes while taking actions behind the scenes that are worst then the worst period of Indo-US relation since 1971.

The level of Gas lighting will be of astronomical proportions.

RaGa, asked some former state department flunky why US was not doing anything about Modi. I give you;

1) The navigation patrol and the chest thumping announcement of it.
2) The denial of Raw materials for covid vaccines.
3) Eric Garcetti.

if this goes through, then rest assured that, coloured revolution in India cannot be far behind.
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I mainly see reports from local LA newspapers trying to make news about Garcetti being considered. Probably among other candidates too.

I hope Joe is not confusing India and Mexico (Kamala/Jill - did you forget to refill that medicine cabinet in the basement?). Maybe some Indian-American is headed to Mexico by mistake. :lol: Hopefully its Kalpen Modi of Guantanamo fame.

I couldn't find any media report containing a single word that Garcetti has said about India. Seems a total novice. Since when has the US ambassador had any real impact in New Delhi ? It isn't 1960 any more.
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Sorry for OT, but is anybody aware of any good civil lawyers in Massaland, preferably Indian, who are of dharmic bent? Whisper and giggle campaigns are going on in KB (under the guise of "humor") involving caste.
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sudarshan wrote:Sorry for OT, but is anybody aware of any good civil lawyers in Massaland, preferably Indian, who are of dharmic bent? Whisper and giggle campaigns are going on in KB (under the guise of "humor") involving caste.
What is KB ?
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sudarshan wrote:Sorry for OT, but is anybody aware of any good civil lawyers in Massaland, preferably Indian, who are of dharmic bent? Whisper and giggle campaigns are going on in KB (under the guise of "humor") involving caste.
Did you reach out to HAF?

https://www.hinduamerican.org/
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KL Dubey wrote: What is KB ?
Kampany Bahadur. I think it might be in the BRF dictionary.
mappunni wrote: Did you reach out to HAF?
Thanks, will do so. Just wanted to get an idea of options for now.
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obviously, for the racist CNN and its rabidly bigoted reporter, Indians are the children of a lesser god

I'm not going to RT the CNN video from the hospital in India; you can argue all you want as to whether it's a net benefit to raise awareness; what I see is that the respect for privacy the US media afforded to hospitalized Americans was not deemed necessary for patients in India.
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I was appalled to see ABC News reporters allowed to roam around Delhi's crematoriums up close to funeral pyres. Who the hell let them in? Why didn't they report the same of people being dumped in mass graves around NYC last year?
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India has been their preferred destination for poverty and misery p0rn for over 120 yrs now. Gandhiji may have had his shortcomings but he was spot on when he called Katherine Mayo's book "Mother India" a sewage inspectors report ! The current coverage of India especially since 2014 reeks of the same obnoxious odor of racism repackaged as social justice and anti-populism as Mayo's trashworthy book. The coverage of India in my living memory has ALWAYS been negative in the western press, heck on an odd occasion atleast Al Jazeera will have few positive stories about India but the usual scoundrels in the western left mainstream media will not have a positive story about India no matter what.

Btw, there were severe o2 shortages,blackmarketing, backed up cemeteries, mass graves and overflowing morgues in many latin American countries too, why didn't CNN/BBC/NYT etc make it their front page stories ?
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Because it is India that needs a white Christian overlord. See occupation and impoverishment wasn.t so bad.

I kid you not.
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Hinduphobia is the right answer and this lack of self respect starts at home. How may Indian TV channels and news-reporters covered funeral pyres? And the answer is almost all. Didn't they ask themselves if their beliefs and practices deserve respect, dignity and privacy? The burning funeral pyres of Hindus got plenty of drone-shots, closeups, pans, zooms and gawked-upon by bloody Indians themselves. Therefore fair game for ABC, CBS, NBS, BBC, NYT, WaPo, Guardian etc. An average Westerner treat their departed with far more solemnity, respect and privacy even if for a brief moment.
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Mort Walker wrote:I was appalled to see ABC News reporters allowed to roam around Delhi's crematoriums up close to funeral pyres. Who the hell let them in? Why didn't they report the same of people being dumped in mass graves around NYC last year?
To put in perspective India has crude death number of 28k a day, So increase of 3500 per day due to Covid is just 15% and that too happened only recently. Compare that to US deaths. 6000 a day is norm and they had 4500 a day due to Covid which is almost 75% above the norm. Per million the US death rate is again 5 times more than that of India. India is and always been whipping of these 'developed countries'.

I am not trivializing the deaths (my wife lost four of her family members during the last six months)
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Ambar wrote: Btw, there were severe o2 shortages,blackmarketing, backed up cemeteries, mass graves and overflowing morgues in many latin American countries too, why didn't CNN/BBC/NYT etc make it their front page stories ?
There were similar headlines and pictures for NYC, Italy, and Brazil when Covid-19 rampaged those regions. It's literally the same coverage then and what it's now. Pictures of long lines of ambulances, struggling covid wards, dead in body bags, and body bags in freezer trucks. You can check these news sites for old articles and you find it all.
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^^ Given the past track record of the western media, it is really hard to believe that the coverage of India and coverage of NYC (to take one location you mentioned) was similar. Did they have pictures of wards with patients hooked up to life support equipment, or that of cemeteries with mourners sending their dead to the beyond? Maybe you could share a few such articles to back up your point? Let's start with NYC, then we can look at CA, TX and across pond in UK, FR, GR, etc. Basically, the standard should be that of the drain inspection that routinely happens in India.
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Not Mexico, not Colombia, not Argentina, not Peru, not Chile and certainly not Italy or Spain or UK made frontpage news for multiple days. The coverage of all these countries (with the exception of Brazil and Jair Bolsonaro with whom the western english media has an axe to grind) was from the perspective of global pandemic and its devastation of life, liberties and economy, with India it is covered as "India sinking the world, India incapable of handling the pandemic, India mismanaged" with a purposeful unmistakable political agenda behind every story. Yes, our local scum media especially Burqa Dutt was the first to take a camera crew into crematoriums and the rest of the vulture media followed, but there is no comparison of the way the left media has covered the pandemic in India Vs other countries . 24x7 news channels and social media may have been the worst inventions of the mankind after nuclear weapons.

Btw, adjusted to population, some eastern European countries are having 4x to 5x as many cases and deaths as India, but there's not a single peep from western media, no camera crews tripping over each other to take closeup of dead bodies or people in ICUs and certainly no debates or discussion on how a "populist, authoritarian, dictatorial, fascist" leader is sinking his country and the world with it.
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Agreed, the slant in coverage is almost axiomatic, that's why I am asking Jay saar to back up his assertions.
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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

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arshyam wrote:Agreed, the slant in coverage is almost axiomatic, that's why I am asking Jay saar to back up his assertions.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/worl ... erals.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/21/worl ... south.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/04/us/c ... -home.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/nyre ... odies.html

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... ter-morgue

https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/disturbin ... -hospital/

Point is when the Covid hit in 2020, March, and April were filled with doom and gloom from NYC, and Italy. Then later for a week or two it was Brazil that took the brunt. Now it's India's turn. Yes, it feels like we are under the microscope and yes we are. But it's in mostly in proportion to our country's size, influence, and Politics too. Let the dogs bark...there is no need to shrivel from the criticism, and if we have the means to counter the narrative, then let's do it. All this gnashing, and hand wringing over something that will be forgotten when the next round of crisis flares up somewhere in a few weeks is counter productive.
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