India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

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RD,

Electoral politics is a fickle thing. For a large country like India, a combination of bad things happening, inadvertent mistakes, and sufficient opposition financing, then it can cause the BJP to lose a majority. That is what regime change may look like in India. The US can create a mess by financing the INC and leftists. Fortunately, they are currently disjointed. I shudder to think if the INC replaced Rahul Gandhi with a competent person, then things may look different.
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AshishA wrote:I noticed that in all of US admin's tweet from top to the low levels, there was one word missing. Modi or PM etc. What it means I don't know. What exactly is the US government playing at? Regime change?
Yeah, call me paranoid but this is Gora's ways to delegitimize, make him irrelevant, not number 1 person they deal with. This is by design and part of leftists strategy. I just hope they FAIL BIG time...With all the mistakes/mis-steps, NaMo is the BEST hope for India... NaMo/Yogi need to hang on for next 10 years. It will be a delight to see left cringe seeing PM Yogi! he is hard charging...
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This is what I suspected from Biden admin. Having said so. I totally fail to see the long term impact of this strategy on the Indian domestic political scene. Especially when Modi government has opened up the purchase of vaccines to the states. Along with approval of other medicines from other countries.

If 2024 is some time away and health is a state subject. Then Modi can easily tide over this situation in 2024.

The question is what is the end game?

Revitalize the G2?

Because with all these actions India will be put off from the quad and western led initiative to contain PRC.
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if left alone, NaMo might have stepped aside by himself in 2024. Now this is a challenge. They have no idea what they have bargained for. I dont think the west understands how popular a PM he is.
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I agree. In fact, in some ways, the Biden administration going after Modi sarkar is a damn good thing. It will force Desi Americans... famously confrontation-averse... to pick a side once & for all. And most importantly, it will be obvious that Biden sarkar (not GOI, BJP etc.) is the entity forcing that choice upon them... between the morally bankrupt so-called liberalism of the Western elite and the last, best hope of their ancestral civilization for revival.
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Mort Walker wrote:RD,

Electoral politics is a fickle thing. For a large country like India, a combination of bad things happening, inadvertent mistakes, and sufficient opposition financing, then it can cause the BJP to lose a majority. That is what regime change may look like in India. The US can create a mess by financing the INC and leftists. Fortunately, they are currently disjointed. I shudder to think if the INC replaced Rahul Gandhi with a competent person, then things may look different.
Mort

They already do. Soros Network, Ford Foundation & other State Dept backchannels have been routing funds to the Indian opposition for years.

This actually continued throughout the Trump administration as well, despite all the Howdy/Namaste optics. NO US administration has looked at what India is capable of becoming under Modi & thought "wow, what a great thing for us."

Supporting the likes of Kejriwal, Sonia Gandhi, etc is a matter of US State Dept policy regardless of who is in the White House. But there is only so much their funding can achieve, and that's maxed out. With ever-tighter enforcement of FCRA regulations in India it will only decline.

In fact, Biden sarkar has shot itself in the foot by bringing its hostility out in the open (compared to Trump or Obama sarkars). It's a self-goal guaranteed to bring the full spotlight of Indian public attention glaring down upon any entity suspected of receiving American funds. It takes all the subtlety out and makes the intended influence-campaign completely obvious. Everyone on its payroll in India stands to expose themselves. I look forward to seeing how the Indian public responds to that.
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Rudradev wrote: In fact, Biden sarkar has shot itself in the foot by bringing its hostility out in the open (compared to Trump or Obama sarkars). It's a self-goal guaranteed to bring the full spotlight of Indian public attention glaring down upon any entity suspected of receiving American funds. It takes all the subtlety out and makes the intended influence-campaign completely obvious. Everyone on its payroll in India stands to expose themselves. I look forward to seeing how the Indian public responds to that.
I think the reason behind such open hostility is biden himself. Unlike Bush, Obama and Trump, Biden is the only one who has been a senator since cold War times while the others were newcomers or novices in politics. Thus he retains the mindset of all those cold war politicians like kissinger and hence he views the current world through cold War perspective. Hence, all the action near Russian front by stirring up Ukraine, crimea etc etc and all these cosying up with Beijing as a counter weight to the big bad bear.

And I believe the ban and other things that will follow in the future will be due to the old fossil called Biden thinking us as the Russian sidekick. That is why his administration feels the itch to 'punish' India like during Nixon-Kissinger era.
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Incorrect. They all have been like that. While Biden knows little more, a country runs by many institutions with memory. It's a civilizational rat race and in the end it's nothing personal. Slowing down India is as good as regime change. End of the day, it's all about relative power structure.

US and Anglos are transactional enough that they will have no qualms about exploiting chinese virus more than chinese do by getting together with chinese.
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Classic case of Indian sepoys providing the Globalist States input on how to weaken the Indian Union. This Wadhwani policy institute is funded by Romesh Wadhwani who is also funding a lot of liberal education stuff in India.
It is in the United States’ national interest to foster enabling factors that allow Indian states to meet their growth aspirations. Encouraging partnerships between U.S. and Indian states is a good place to start. The two are aligned in their desire to promote their respective community’s economic interest and open global markets for their local businesses. U.S. states could build trust and goodwill by opening networks of skilled intermediaries, such as subject matter experts and holistic regulatory regimes to their Indian counterparts. In turn, Indian states could tap into their networks for technology, innovation, and capital. Over time, these exchanges can create global trade opportunities for local communities in both countries.
https://www.csis.org/blogs/adapt-advanc ... ool-bidens

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Philip wrote:

Indira Gandhi was the opposite.....
Indira and her family have been biggest chamcha of foreign powers be it britain or Russia...

Thatcher just picked up the phone and ordered indira Gandhi to buy 'faulted Westland Helicopters' and indira meekly did buy them although those Helicopters were rejected by Britain itself. Many of these crashed killing Indians.

Like any mole she was given enough space to sound brave, but actually she was a slave to foriegn powers.

Is this inferiority complex of white nordic Ronald Reagan for sdre rajiv Gandhi?

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Modi doesn't miss a beat


"evolving COVID situation in both countries"



Narendra Modi@narendramodi · 3h

Had a fruitful conversation with @POTUS @JoeBiden today. We discussed the evolving COVID situation in both countries in detail. I thanked President Biden for the support being provided by the United States to India.
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Modi doesn't miss a beat


"evolving COVID situation in both countries"

Right, let's not forget, that while India is experiencing the worst numbers of any country currently, there is still very much a global pandemic out there, infecting and claiming a large number of lives in the US, Brazil, France, Italy, Germany, the UK and Russia, et al. Good that Modi reminded people of that, in his own way.
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Please see it in a different light.
2020 is the first year of a biowar.
Earlier SARS, MERS, Nipah were skirmishes.
Now in a biowar, vaccine production is the arsenal.
Again it's the US, Europe, China, Russia, and India. All of them produced vaccines and a few are mfg powerhouses.
The US is attacking vaccine production capability in India and hoarding vaccines by not supplying even Canada.
What are they afraid of?
We are going to have more dangerous viruses will appear.
Like the Bible 7 plagues of Moses!
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https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/138674 ... ?s=19Today, I spoke with Prime Minister @narendramodi and pledged America’s full support to provide emergency assistance and resources in the fight against COVID-19. India was there for us, and we will be there for them.

Well, I had the same uncomfortable feeling. But it seems something changes after NSA Doval's call. What levers did he pull?
Punjabi wrote:
AshishA wrote:I noticed that in all of US admin's tweet from top to the low levels, there was one word missing. Modi or PM etc. What it means I don't know. What exactly is the US government playing at? Regime change?
Yeah, call me paranoid but this is Gora's ways to delegitimize, make him irrelevant, not number 1 person they deal with. This is by design and part of leftists strategy. I just hope they FAIL BIG time...With all the mistakes/mis-steps, NaMo is the BEST hope for India... NaMo/Yogi need to hang on for next 10 years. It will be a delight to see left cringe seeing PM Yogi! he is hard charging...
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Their singular objective is regime change.
The shameless pictures of the cremated bodies reveals this.
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ramana wrote:Please see it in a different light.
2020 is the first year of a biowar.
Earlier SARS, MERS, Nipah were skirmishes.
Now in a biowar, vaccine production is the arsenal.
Again it's the US, Europe, China, Russia, and India. All of them produced vaccines and a few are mfg powerhouses.
The US is attacking vaccine production capability in India and hoarding vaccines by not supplying even Canada.
What are they afraid of?
We are going to have more dangerous viruses will appear.
Like the Bible 7 plagues of Moses!
Interesting thinking Ramanaji. It is quite peculiar that the virus mutates seemingly soon after its spread "dies down" and then comes back with bang, including further mutation. Hydra like behavior...
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Easy.The threat to pull out of the Quad! The Quad was supposed to leverage India's global CV vaccine production and supply, eliminating the PRC from holding the world hostage. If our vaccine production is held hostage by the US then the Quad could end up being the" Triad" ,in keeping with regional Chin culture!
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chanakya_neeti wrote:https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/138674 ... 30536?s=19


Well, I had the same uncomfortable feeling. But it seems something changes after NSA Doval's call. What levers did he pull?
India is the only producer of synthetic phospho lipids which is a key ingredient in manufacturing mRNA based #covid19 vaccines(pfizer,moderna) :wink: :)
We just reminded this to USA and they shivered and came down to so called HELP :lol:
this is modi ji ka bharat....NAMO NAMO_/\_
https://twitter.com/ahambrahmasmi91/sta ... 47458?s=19
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Philip wrote:Easy.The threat to pull out of the Quad! The Quad was supposed to leverage India's global CV vaccine production and supply, eliminating the PRC from holding the world hostage. If our vaccine production is held hostage by the US then the Quad could end up being the" Triad" ,in keeping with regional Chin culture!
just suspend the alphabet soup agreements with the US pending the study and evaluation of the impact of covid on multilateral operations.

that should send out a tidy and unmistakable message.
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Not aligned with US view: WH on India's Twitter order
"That certainly wouldn't be aligned with our view of freedom of speech around the world," White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki replied when a reporter said the Indian government ordered Twitter and Facebook to block social media posts on its handling of the pandemic and sought her response.
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This is correct. India's first amendment and the US first amendment take opposing approaches to free speech.
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Cain Marko wrote:
ramana wrote:Please see it in a different light.
2020 is the first year of a biowar.
Earlier SARS, MERS, Nipah were skirmishes.
Now in a biowar, vaccine production is the arsenal.
Again it's the US, Europe, China, Russia, and India. All of them produced vaccines and a few are mfg powerhouses.
Interesting thinking Ramanaji. It is quite peculiar that the virus mutates seemingly soon after its spread "dies down" and then comes back with bang, including further mutation. Hydra like behavior...
that is interesting since no natural virus had evolved that is so adept at evading the bodys defences ., bioengineering or the earths immune mechanism against the human virus !!
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sooraj wrote:Not aligned with US view: WH on India's Twitter order
"That certainly wouldn't be aligned with our view of freedom of speech around the world," White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki replied when a reporter said the Indian government ordered Twitter and Facebook to block social media posts on its handling of the pandemic and sought her response.

Errr.. weren’t they doing lungi dance when DT’s account were blocked.
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Jarita wrote:Classic case of Indian sepoys providing the Globalist States input on how to weaken the Indian Union. This Wadhwani policy institute is funded by Romesh Wadhwani who is also funding a lot of liberal education stuff in India.
It is in the United States’ national interest to foster enabling factors that allow Indian states to meet their growth aspirations. Encouraging partnerships between U.S. and Indian states is a good place to start. The two are aligned in their desire to promote their respective community’s economic interest and open global markets for their local businesses. U.S. states could build trust and goodwill by opening networks of skilled intermediaries, such as subject matter experts and holistic regulatory regimes to their Indian counterparts. In turn, Indian states could tap into their networks for technology, innovation, and capital. Over time, these exchanges can create global trade opportunities for local communities in both countries.
https://www.csis.org/blogs/adapt-advanc ... ool-bidens

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Foreign relations are a central govt subject. This idea of states cooperating with states may sound nice, but has the potential to strike at the heart of the Indian Union. Divide and Rule in a new bottle. To be viewed with suspicion.
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chetak wrote:
yes but we are also very forgetting.

how many here remember that back in 1992, beijingbiden made sure that India did not get access to cryogenic tech for its space programme

doddering and lovable old codger he may well be but he is an India hating ahole who has been shafting us all along
When Biden was first proposed as Obama's vice president, there was an article in the ritish press about his bias in the past against immigration from India, He is reported to have said that there were too many Indians running corner stores in his homestate of Delaware.
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Apparently, some Indian CEO's had a call with Sec. Blinken,

1. There is lot of "aid being planned on a war footing
2. Aid needs to send to the "stakeholders" directly , rather than sending via PMO, as it creates delay
3. If there is delay then "India" variant will spread throughout the world by end of May

Source is this:-

Vijay Chandru Advani is an entrepreneur of Indian-American origin and Executive Chairman of @NuveenInv. He was also Chairman of @USIBC. He attended Call between US Secretary of State @SecBlinken and 139 CEOs to discuss

https://twitter.com/SandipGhose/status/ ... _&ref_url=

So they want to deal with regional entities as opposed to central PMO. Interesting.
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Regime change programme for India has begun in full earnest. Literally, we are at war with the US administration. This is going to be worse than the Clinton I era. More like Nixon era. The wokes have tasted blood with their victory in US and they are going to be at war with India.
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They haven't been able to reverse the regime change in Myanmar or Venezuela let alone India. India's political landscape is far more different and far more complicated than any other nation on this planet. If Twitter and Facebook can outright ban the President of the US saying he is peddling "fake news" i see no reason why GoI cannot ban Twitter/FB/Whatsapp for the same offense. That would be a good start followed by taxing private news channels out of business. It really shouldn't be too hard to track the funds that flows into local operatives like Burkha Dutt, Rajdeep Sardesai, Ravish Kumar, Rohini Singh, Siddharth Varadarajan etc .
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Manish_Sharma wrote:
chanakya_neeti wrote:https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/138674 ... 30536?s=19
Well, I had the same uncomfortable feeling. But it seems something changes after NSA Doval's call. What levers did he pull?
India is the only producer of synthetic phospho lipids which is a key ingredient in manufacturing mRNA based #covid19 vaccines(pfizer,moderna) :wink: :)
We just reminded this to USA and they shivered and came down to so called HELP :lol:
this is modi ji ka bharat....NAMO NAMO_/\_
https://twitter.com/ahambrahmasmi91/sta ... 47458?s=19
Didnt see this link in last couple of pages of this thread so posting. This article appeared on April 22 before America changed its mind.
Whether co-incidence or not but seemed to have worked.
https://www.businesstoday.in/current/ec ... 37257.html
While the US has restricted export of vaccine ingredients to help its domestic COVID-19 vaccine manufacturers Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna, an Indian company is supplying a crucial and rare ingredient required for manufacturing their m-RNA technology based COVID-19 vaccines. It's a lever India could use as a bargaining chip to get US to lift curbs on supplies to Indian vaccine makers from the country.
Pfizer has been accused of bullying by Latin American countries for handing over sovereign assets in return for vaccines.
Cant we give America a taste of its own medicine. If we have so much of leverage over US vaccine production so as to force them to do a u-turn on vaccine raw material, why not push the boundaries beyond releasing vaccine raw materials.
Say for e.g gas turbine technology. Cant we force them to part with say turbine hot section stuff.
I dont see why it cant be done. Maybe another phone call after 1 month?.
Anyway Bharat Biotech Covaxin is not dependant on US raw material is what I understand. So the dependancy is one way if my understanding is right.
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Sonugn wrote: So they want to deal with regional entities as opposed to central PMO. Interesting.
Someone from GoI needs to go back and look at things from December 2020 and onwards. Various entities were interested in bumping up remedisvir production before March. This was being promoted over aiding vaccine makers. Even mid-level dharmic suppliers of remedisvir were puzzled. Either someone knew that wave is coming or someone didn't.
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Again, CEO Deloitte, has put up a message in which "US government" is mentioned but instead of any mention of "Indian government" there is only "Indian people".

May be i am seeing things when none exist else the CEO grouping seems to engage directly with "Indian people" rather than government.

Another way of de-legitimizing an elected government via messaging/action.

Hope GOI sticks to "PMO route" only.
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There is certainly some mischief being planned when they omit Indian govt and say Indian people. And the CEOs of Indian origin aren't necessarily India supporters. So we have to keep that in mind while we deal with these guys.

Btw what exactly are they going to help with that our govt isn't currently doing? And didn't biden and his guys frown upon the naming of Covid19 as China virus? So why this India variant naming?

I also hope that GOI sticks to PMO route only.
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AshishA wrote:There is certainly some mischief being planned when they omit Indian govt and say Indian people. And the CEOs of Indian origin aren't necessarily India supporters. So we have to keep that in mind while we deal with these guys.

Btw what exactly are they going to help with that our govt isn't currently doing? And didn't biden and his guys frown upon the naming of Covid19 as China virus? So why this India variant naming?

I also hope that GOI sticks to PMO route only.
It's a way of saying to allow these "CEO grouping" to send stuff directly to their trusted peers back in India without any sort of PMO oversight else we will write OPeds & through other ways make a claim that the India variant has spread to the world (because PMO delayed US charity & could not contain the disease).
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Sonugn wrote: It's a way of saying to allow these "CEO grouping" to send stuff directly to their trusted peers back in India without any sort of PMO oversight else we will write OPeds & through other ways make a claim that the India variant has spread to the world (because PMO delayed US charity & could not contain the disease).
Looks like it's relentless war against Modi and India. It will continue for the whole year I guess. They want to pull down his popularity as low as possible. It's time to use every possible leverage we have wrt US so as to discourage any hostile actions. Pfizer, defense deals etc etc.
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Shanmukh wrote:Regime change programme for India has begun in full earnest. Literally, we are at war with the US administration. This is going to be worse than the Clinton I era. More like Nixon era. The wokes have tasted blood with their victory in US and they are going to be at war with India.
So here's what I don't get it. This often used term 'regime change' for Modi government is made to sound like as if its Saddam or Gaddafi regime. How can 'regime change' can happen in democratically elected governments as opposed to dictatorial? Should US interference become more pronounced, Indian population would even more vociferously vote for Modi/BJP government. Congress and their allies would reduce their tally even further. The only explainable point would be that this subnational policy would go beyond just Biden, preserved and executed even under Republican government should they come in after 4 years. Sustained soldout prestitutes propaganda against Modi, and resurrecting false narrative as if there's a big civil war in India.
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Unkil only likes small and cute democracies like SK, TW, JP hopefully with some Xtian mix... any other nation with a vibrant, successful democracy punctures Unkil's image as sole gora Xtian leader of the free world. At the least they need someone like MMS who will bow and prostrate, have western degrees and do their bidding to show how western values are a pre-requisite for success ... I hope MEA gets the language corrected
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Can someone please list the raw materials we are seeking from the US to manufacture Covishield ? Is there anyways we can in future manufacture these ingredients in house or at worse get it from Europe instead of relying on states ? With Sputnik only weeks away from reaching India its only a matter of time another round of malicious rumors are spread on twitter, FB and whatsapp on dangers of Russian vaccine all aided and abetted our media dalals.
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Sonugn wrote:Apparently, some Indian CEO's had a call with Sec. Blinken,

1. There is lot of "aid being planned on a war footing
2. Aid needs to send to the "stakeholders" directly , rather than sending via PMO, as it creates delay
3. If there is delay then "India" variant will spread throughout the world by end of May

Source is this:-

Vijay Chandru Advani is an entrepreneur of Indian-American origin and Executive Chairman of @NuveenInv. He was also Chairman of @USIBC. He attended Call between US Secretary of State @SecBlinken and 139 CEOs to discuss

https://twitter.com/SandipGhose/status/ ... _&ref_url=

So they want to deal with regional entities as opposed to central PMO. Interesting.

Correct - same same as Soviet Union model. Deal with states and entities vs PMO. It delegitimizes the central government. What better time than a suspicious pandemic.
Read the article above by "native informers" in Wadhwani institute.


In the meantime, this virus is super intelligent. It popped up synchronously across the varying climate and biospheres of the Indian union.
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S_Madhukar wrote:Unkil only likes small and cute democracies like SK, TW, JP hopefully with some Xtian mix... any other nation with a vibrant, successful democracy punctures Unkil's image as sole gora Xtian leader of the free world. At the least they need someone like MMS who will bow and prostrate, have western degrees and do their bidding to show how western values are a pre-requisite for success ... I hope MEA gets the language corrected

MMS was on his way to making India into several cute Xtian democricies and autocracies. It's always a long term plan. It's always the long war.
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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

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shravanp wrote:
Shanmukh wrote:Regime change programme for India has begun in full earnest. Literally, we are at war with the US administration. This is going to be worse than the Clinton I era. More like Nixon era. The wokes have tasted blood with their victory in US and they are going to be at war with India.
So here's what I don't get it. This often used term 'regime change' for Modi government is made to sound like as if its Saddam or Gaddafi regime. How can 'regime change' can happen in democratically elected governments as opposed to dictatorial? Should US interference become more pronounced, Indian population would even more vociferously vote for Modi/BJP government. Congress and their allies would reduce their tally even further. The only explainable point would be that this subnational policy would go beyond just Biden, preserved and executed even under Republican government should they come in after 4 years. Sustained soldout prestitutes propaganda against Modi, and resurrecting false narrative as if there's a big civil war in India.
My guess - they will try to attack our economy subtly, with tons and tons of `news' about how terrible India is, how no one should invest there, etc. There may even be a BDS movement against India soon. Sure, they cannot intervene directly, but they will try to make BJP [and especially Modi, since he is the face] unpopular by attacking the economy and causing misery among the poor, or may be even encouraging China and/or Pakistan to `teach India a lesson'.
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