India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

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The announcement of US/UK/AUS trilateral partnership ?? has it got a deeper objective (not of the obvious anti-Chin)
Meaning Shafting of India
When push come to shove with PRIC(now even Toilet is using my term) ruling the roost in Asia throw India and ASEAN to the dogs and protect their joint interest!!
Will be interesting to see what the QUAD ( in person ) meeting comes up with
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Excellent piece Lohit.

What puzzles me is why the West, especially the US have adopted a China friendly policy for decades, detrimental to themselves and eroding their military and corporate domination of the post WW-2 world. It is not as if the West never managed to dominate China - the British did it with Opium wars, and Japan did it may times over as well. But right now, they seem hell bent to create a Frankenstein and surrender to it.

The other side of this coin is the West's marked disaffection, even hostility at times, towards India, despite India playing along by adopting many western values and establishing a functioning democracy akin to the west, that was neither expansionist nor isolationist. This too has some unexplainables.

I wouldn't however, write off the possibility of the West's realisation of its perilous tango with China nor its resurgence by cooperating with a growing and increasingly powerful India. Especially given the increasing business and tech ties between India and the West that demonstrate every day that a far better alternative to China exists, and the growing influence of Indian diaspora, which is beginning to experience a dharmic awakening.

I remain quite pessimistic about the rise of a Neo-Ottoman Caliphate. History has shown that the Islamic cultures are disunited and prone to infighting despite the touting of "Ummah" because the ethnic and racial differences run deep and are embedded into Islamic tenets themselves. In a post Gulf Oil world, they will definitely struggle individually due to lack of a critical mass of production and consumption, and collectively due to lack of education and a culture of innovation. They can definitely be a nuisance (and India can deal with it as needed), but sans collusion with china, they cant scale up to be an existential threat to India.

JMT.
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Cyrano,

This podcast might answer some of the questions you have regarding the Americans actions WRT, PRC over the last few decades.

The policies in question were based on deliberate and willful self deception.

The issues WRT, India were based due to an attitude of loathing. Mostly due to the attitude of smug superiority amongst Indian's inspite of our poverty. Where they could not reconcile this on the basis of material wealth.

Coupled with attitudes of racial superiority amongst the western nations. Along with the Cristian imperative to convert and civilize heathens. You have a toxic mix.
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chetak wrote:
ford has been shutting down its plants all over the world, not only in India.
True, but my larger point was about how it is inconceivable that: ford or for that matter any other corporate would give up manufacturing in China and shift to India - which if done would surely be followed by a swift ban of their China sales by CCP. This is compounded by the fact that Indian consumer sales are hardly comparable to those in China.

We could however position ourselves for any incremental capacity plans that such corporates would have planned for China, from this point forward. However hoping for capacity to be uprooted from there to here makes no sense from a corporate greed POV.
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Manish_P wrote:
When you do get some time, of course.. :)
Surely :)
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Lohit wrote:
chetak wrote:
ford has been shutting down its plants all over the world, not only in India.
True, but my larger point was about how it is inconceivable that: ford or for that matter any other corporate would give up manufacturing in China and shift to India - which if done would surely be followed by a swift ban of their China sales by CCP. This is compounded by the fact that Indian consumer sales are hardly comparable to those in China.

We could however position ourselves for any incremental capacity plans that such corporates would have planned for China, from this point forward. However hoping for capacity to be uprooted from there to here makes no sense from a corporate greed POV.

reportedly, the ford India guys are already in talks with MG motors, now a cheeni owned company, to buy out their plants
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It makes some degree of sense for manufacturing to shift out of PRC. Purely from a risk management POV.

In the understanding China thread early last year. I distinctly recall PRC putting pressure on MNC manufacturing companies in order to make those companies tow the line. By threatening supply chain.

The other issue is that relationship between US and PRC are deteriorating faster than anyone anticipated. It's not the Americans. It's PRC.

So US manufacturing companies will be looking at alternative production sites. Regardless of what comforts they have with PRC.

viewtopic.php?t=7607&start=320
Pratyush wrote:For the last few years I have been thinking that PRC leaders are the biggest bunch of idiots in the world. Every week they do some thins that this thinking gets reinforced.

The weaponizing of trade interdependency is one such action. The basic risk management exercise from any large commercial enterprise will identify this aspect of vulnerability and they will try to eliminate it. If the politicians of the target country have any brain the commercial enterprises will quickly diversify the supply lines and this action will end up hurting the PRC more then they could ever hurt the intended target.

They will make sure that Trump wins in the long run.

So best of luck to the PRC in its future endeavors.

https://www.rediff.com/business/column/ ... 210118.htm
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chetak wrote:
reportedly, the ford India guys are already in talks with MG motors, now a cheeni owned company, to buy out their plants
I see. Khan-Cheeni entente, growing less subtle with each passing day.
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^^^ what happens when India decides to kick PRC companies out in a few years time.
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Does India need to follow a export heavy economic model like China and tie itself strongly to US & the west? Can it, in the first place?

China's rise in the 80s and 90s as a mfg hub was made possible due to low cost low skilled labour working in slave like conditions. I doubt if labour cost arbitrage between the west and India today is as favourable. Our cost of living is rising sharply and we will not impose China like conditions on our workers.

India will be better off staying loosely coupled with the west, become a mfg hub based on med-high skills where cost arbitrage may still be relevant, and focus on industries that have domestic & export relevance. We should not be overly dependent on FDI either, much of the investment is coming from over leveraged US & lately EU economies, which have pumped QE wampum fiat money since 2008 and have gone rogue with Covid stimulus plans. We don't want to be arm twisted by the west threatening "capital flight risk".

I'd say the Hindu rate of GDP growth at 5%-7% with strong fundamentals, banking NPA scams under control, food security and investment in domestic MIC, reasonable trade deficit (and sans China) is good enough for us. And thats what the govt seems to be doing.
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India has to grow on back of our own domestic consumption.

I am infact quite open to the idea of an MNC setting up a production hub for India. Using Indian workers & Indian raw materials.

This generates both jobs in India and will contribute to our GDP in a positive manner.
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Already happening, no?
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I want more. :((
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Cyrano wrote:I'd say the Hindu rate of GDP growth at 5%-7% with strong fundamentals, banking NPA scams under control, food security and investment in domestic MIC, reasonable trade deficit (and sans China) is good enough for us. And thats what the govt seems to be doing.
+1.

That said, having USD reserves ensures we are entwined with the USD based int'l system, like it or not.

Am happy to see a number of big-yet-silent moves all around since 2019. Farm reforms got the biggest attn but everything from PLIs to MITI-style favored industries (Ref the breaks and facilitation firms in EVs, PVs, fuel cells, drones, component ecosystems etc are getting) to bypassing SWIFT via direct UPI hookups with phoren payment systems (S'pore is the first) to e-auctions of natural resources to import substitution via aatmanirbhar bhaarat to piling on tariffs onto dumped maal to rethinking FTAs etc etc. Beyond amazing. Like ABV's NTP1999, the benefits will be seen within a decade in terms of supercharged sustainable growth.

Now if only our factor markets could be liberalized more than we have - land and labor markets particularly. Also, need a few semiconductor fabs pronto. And intense trade deals with Roos, Iran, Vietnam, Taiwan and Japan. We'll see.
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"That said, having USD reserves ensures we are entwined with the USD based int'l system, like it or not."

Unavoidable as long as oil is traded in USD and we are oil & gas imports dependent. Part of the reserves can be put to use for cross leverage in strategic areas. For ex we should have bought Boston Dynamics for 800M$ instead of watching Hyundai taking control. Or pick up stake in Dassalut, Thales, Snecma, Naval Group, RR etc.
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Cyrano wrote:"That said, having USD reserves ensures we are entwined with the USD based int'l system, like it or not."

Unavoidable as long as oil is traded in USD and we are oil & gas imports dependent. Part of the reserves can be put to use for cross leverage in strategic areas. For ex we should have bought Boston Dynamics for 800M$ instead of watching Hyundai taking control. Or pick up stake in Dassalut, Thales, Snecma, Naval Group, RR etc.
the respective govts of the countries where these companies are situated will not allow sale to a country like India.

just like India will not allow stake sales in DPSUs to foreign countries or in companies mining uranium etc
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Have we tried? The GoI's mindset needs to change.

Trump was tomtomming 1B$ mil eqp sales to India as a job creator. He could tomtom 50B$ investment in strategic industries as well.
Sarkozy & Holland tomtommed Rafale deal. Even they waht to show FDI to their electorates.

Many are listed on stock markets. For instance Dassault's stock price is up since the Rafale deal. We could take a small stake and enjoy the price gains & dividends.

There will be resistance, but when we have dollah to spend, putting 50B$ into a strategic investment fund and hiring couple of wall street lobbyists, pushing for 2 way deals may get us somewhere.
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we are now in an era of de-globalization,

globalization has been going on for 50 years, ever since nixon visited china.
the elites all over have benefited greatly from this, especially american elites; bankster/corporatists etc......

this era is now over.

of course India faces challenges: UP elections and 2024 are important,
the challenges could be great if BJP does not win.

But please do not underestimate the challenges faced by the major centres of globalization they are exactly the same as those faced by India
++++ one very powerful force which will be very hard for them to control = DEBT

the main centres of globalization are; USA/EU/CHINA and the globalist organizations,
World Stank(Bank), Intl Monetary/Mafia Fraud (IMF) ++ UK City of London

Just like India all these places are now seeded with (courtesy of fake liberals)
an alliance between commies and radical religious people.

India is at a different point when it comes to its GDP level and debt.
Whereas the globalists centres can never hope to use GDP growth to work their debts out.

So if India were to face internal problems you can bet your bottom dollar it will be a picnic compared to what the western globalist centres will face should recession and debt collapse come to their economies.

Do you think anglos and europeans will just hand over their countries to interlopers without a whimper
= commies + islamists..... French have been guillotine happy in the past.
If there is a fight coming with-in countries it is coming to all countries = CIVIL WAR FOR ALL....

India is best placed to escape it.

India only has to deal with brown people with different religions all the others will have a heady mixture of white/black/brown and all nationalities.... You name it they are ALL there in western globalists countries.

they have come for free milk and honey which will dry up very quickly with a debt based collapse....
Whites will have nothing for themselves let alone anything to give for freeloaders.

So please none of this we are all doomed, reminds me a bit of arriving in India in lates 90s early 00s and hearing the old saw about oh our population it is too big we are doomed.

Globalisation USA deficits/USA debt was all so good when they had a handle on it.
Moving all jobs and factories to china sounded great for the corporates in the past.

But globalization is over and no-one wants it anymore.. Especially populations of the globalist areas and also no one will want any of the globalist currencies USD/EUR/JPY/GBP
this talk of monetary tightening will finally be seen as nothing but a sham.....
it has been fed jibber jabber for 13 years soon the curtain will fall away.
People will realize NONE OF THESE DEBTS, in the a fore mentioned currencies can ever be repaid..

That is before Chyynahh is brought into the equation.


Have a listen to the second part of this show the interviewee explains how a book he wrote on the dangers of debt and deficit became a tool for american hegemony based on the export of USD to the rest of the world... 1972
via trade and budget deficits....
You have to avoiding being too greedy if you want to keep control... but humans especially anglos cannot help themselves

US DEBT IMPERIALISM @12.20

https://www.rt.com/shows/keiser-report/ ... deflation/

Well it was all great whilst it lasted but at some point the Piper will want to be paid his dues.

soon no-one will want USD/JPY/EUR/GBP/CNY, or their government debt

I believe only the INR will be left standing/worth holding


People like myself have enjoyed the best 50 years the west has had to offer...
I look at all the millions of newcomers around me and I just want to say to them.....
"YOU ARE FAR TOO LATE.... THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO HAVE FROM THIS WESTERN COUNTRY"
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For what it is worth, Please sign the following petition:
https://www.change.org/p/prime-minister ... 401fa5e37a
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Cyrano wrote:For ex we should have bought Boston Dynamics for 800M$ instead of watching Hyundai taking control. Or pick up stake in Dassalut, Thales, Snecma, Naval Group, RR etc.
French govt. would have a say in the sales of stock to a sovereign rather than to individuals or mutual funds, no? Especially considering the industry these companies operate in - French MIC.

(PS: Chetak ji already pointed this out)

(PPS: We are going waaay off-topic. So I will desist before I get another warning/ban. Why are we discussing Indo_French relations in India-US relations dhaagaa anyway?!!! I would like to go hammer and tongues against Macron, maybe)
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Manish_p'ji, liked the name Jihadistan. I will borrow it and start calling the Af-pak region as Jihadi-Terroristan.

BTW, some small cheerful news. NZ cricket team turned tails from Bakistan and the current run rate between Taliban-cricket-team and Pak-Army-cricket is 3/day. It needs to go up. It needs T-20 like scoring.

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Indo-US relations will surely improve if there is more ppl to ppl contact between Taliban and American wokes.
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https://www.wionews.com/india-news/pm-m ... vil-414076
PM Modi all set to visit US this week for Quad; key bilateral meetings on the anvil
Sidhant Sibal, New Delhi, Sep 19, 2021

Prime minister Narendra Modi is all set to visit the United States this week with key focus on a number of bilateral events, the first Quad in-person summit and his United Nations General Assembly address.
The visit adds to already high-level visits, PM Modi has undertaken to the US so far in September 2014, September 2015, 2016, June 2017 and September 2019.
The first leg of the direct visit to the US will be Washington that will see three key bilateral events with Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison, Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga and US President Joe Biden.
It will be the first in-person meeting between PM Modi and President Biden since the new administration took charge in the US in January. Both leaders have spoken three times and were present together at two key virtual meets- Biden's climate change summit on April 22 and the virtual Quad meeting on March 12.
PM Modi had spoken to President-elect Biden on November 17 2020 to congratulate him on his victory in the US presidential elections. It was followed by a conversation on February 8 and April 26 2021 on strategic partnership and cooperation against COVID-19.
On Friday the much-anticipated Quad - India, US, Australia and Japan meeting will be conducted. It is the first in-person Quad meeting and outcomes are much anticipated.
.....
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Narendran saar in the US this week! My work schedule happens to be extremely busy this week, otherwise definitely would have met up.... :mrgreen:

It will interesting to see to see all the other engagements outside of the scripted meetings with Bhaidanwa and Kamala. Modi visits are usually more of action items, not just talk.

Modi has made an innocuous-looking announcement about "nations needing to mutually recognize each others' COVID vaccinations"...and sure enough the UK's rear end has been kicked and now are quickly trying to make amends working with CoWIN.
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Bhaidanwa has already taken credit for
our Quad partnership with India, Japan, and Australia is on track to help produce at least 1 billion vaccine doses in India to boost the global supply by the end of 2022.
like it was always his idea...Note his pledge too..."we will do 3 shots for every shot given to Americans" . He is searching for ways towards image building after the last presidency

https://m.rediff.com/news/report/produc ... 210923.htm
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disha wrote:Manish_p'ji, liked the name Jihadistan. I will borrow it and start calling the Af-pak region as Jihadi-Terroristan. ...
Please do, Sir.

And you are very prescient, in the near future the borders of Pakistan and Afghanistan might vanish significantly (they are anyway blurred) and the ill-conceived unnatural entity, birthed by the 4 (or 5) fathers, will be the spiritual home and state-protected sanctuary of global jihad.
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Warm Welcome! Wishing a successful trip.
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So now bye-den is going to be using the QUAD to produce VAX for global distribution when just about a year ago he actively and maliciously shut down vax intermediates from being shipped to India for use in SI and BB

WTF are the japs and the aussies going to do in all this

and if we are only in the QUAD only to produce free vax for the amerikis to distribute or make coffee or fetch bye-den's adult diapers or whatever...

what do we do when the cheeni come calling and the amerikis run..., and the aussies are picnicking with the britshits and the japs are busy polishing their high speed train engines

are we going to throw vax vials or ampoules at the cheenis and scare xi away with pointy syringes.........


@ANI·13h
Our Quad partnership with India, Japan and Australia is on track to help produce at least one billion vaccine doses in India to boost the global supply by the end of 2022: US President Joe Biden
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Jihadi Joe enacted the Defense Production Act in early Feb. 2021 to deny India the raw materials and chemicals for vaccine production. Poonawala was actively tweeting about it. Both SII and BB went elsewhere including within India to source and certify the raw materials for production, but that took time.

By the end of 2022, without the help of anyone, including the US, India will produce nearly 4 billion doses of COVID-19. Just between now and December were looking at between 900 million to 1 billion doses. What Modi+Jaishanker+Doval need to do now is pressure the US government to approve Covaxin for the US. it needs to be a hard press behind closed doors during this QUAD meeting.
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Don't be sad. The vaccine might be free for the recipients. But it will not be free from India. Unless it is going out of Indian generosity.

Secondly,. WRT, a fight against the PRC. It's an issue of domestic industrial capacity and the MOD incompetence. Provided we are able to whip the domestic MIC in shape over the next few years. We should be able to deal with the PRC.
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Amber G. wrote:Warm Welcome! Wishing a successful trip.
Why isn't NaMo wearing a mask at a public event? US has any number of COVID variants that he has never been exposed to.
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^ 7th generation warfare onlee. Mr Magoo better watch out...
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Bhaad mein jaaye Mr Magoo. I am concerned for our PM's health.
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Rudradev wrote:
Amber G. wrote:Warm Welcome! Wishing a successful trip.
Why isn't NaMo wearing a mask at a public event? US has any number of COVID variants that he has never been exposed to.
That was at Joint Base Andrews and not a public event. To get that close you have to be allowed inside the base. Those people are most likely already screened and are probably employees and family of the Indian embassy staff. I’m more worried about the idiot gora log that Modi meets as part of his visit in DC and NY. The US has an active case load of >9.7 million which is crazy high!
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Amber G. wrote:Warm Welcome! Wishing a successful trip.
Looks like he trimmed his hair and beard for this trip. Looks good.
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Rudradev wrote:
Amber G. wrote:Warm Welcome! Wishing a successful trip.
Why isn't NaMo wearing a mask at a public event? US has any number of COVID variants that he has never been exposed to.
The picture is from <here> a tweet from the Indian PM
"Indian community in Washington DC for the warm welcome. Our diaspora is our strength. It is commendable how the Indian diaspora has distinguished itself across the world."

For formal and appropriate settings, NaMo does wear mask..
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What Rudradev ji meant, and i agree completely with him, is that it is extremely important for Modi ji to protect himself at all times.

Desh needs him fully healthy for a long time.

The other reason, as we all know, is his continuing to wearing a mask, especially when outside in crowds, conveys a deep message to ordinary Indians. A huge number on Indians started to wear a mask after his first appeal. And they continue to look up to him for guidance and setting the example.
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Apologies if this is out of topic : there were multiple threads with DGH discussion. Here is a award winning journalist talking about university culture, the ability of students to hear diverse opinions and ***not riot***, chancellor who did not want trouble, etc.


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Full context of the picture I posted..(see the video)
https://twitter.com/i/status/1440814408951730181
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https://granthshala.in/modis-us-visit-l ... t-5-years/

Blackstone will invest 40 billion in next 5 years
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