India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

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Indo-US relations going downhill steadily as Biden wants to go back to the future with his " Ugly American" attitude. If vaccine raw materials are denied to India,what guarantee do we have about US military assistance when the PRC attacks us again?

The US wants India for just 3 reasons.To buy mainly US milware and second-rate tech. Like touting its decades-old F-16s and F-18s. The best top end tech and milware will always be denied to us. It's why it's so pissed off with S-400s and other deals with Ru,for N-subs,aircraft,missile tech.,etc. which it will NEVER give u because we can use it against the US too!

To use Indian territory as bases for the US military-see the various agreements we've signed with the US compromising our sovereignty.Neither Russia or the EU nations demanded such tribute from us.This gives the US a none-too subtle degree of control over our armed forces,especially through cooperative engagement in the maritime sphere.

Thirdly, to be cannon fodder against the PLAN in the ICS. Roping in " allies" to take the heat. Typical of the US to shoot from another's shoulder. However,here there is abundant caution amongst Quad members that the outfit does not spark off a shooting march with the Chins.Where is the only place in the world where there's a shooting match taking place? In the Himalays between the Chins and India! Has the US denounced the Chins for that action? NO,It's least interested in our border issue and our fate. Biden is just using us to armtwist the Chins into a better deal for the US in their bi-lateral and trade relations.
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arshyam wrote:Is there an article summarizing the American hoarding of supplies and denying ingredients to the RoW? I am aware of a few things they've done - restrict exports, sitting on excess doses, "contribution" to Covax, etc., but a good article with dates if possible would help.

A related one https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 ... world.html
As an aside, that nitish pahwa quoted in the article is a self flagellating desi who writes in slate often.
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^^ Thanks - while not comprehensive, it's still something to build upon. But he neatly skips mentioning the most egregious part of Price's statement - that vaccinating Americans is in the interest of non-Americans. And the AZ vaccine stockpile is around 40 million, per other sources, not 20m as he says.
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Philip wrote:Indo-US relations going downhill steadily as Biden wants to go back to the future with his " Ugly American" attitude. If vaccine raw materials are denied to India,what guarantee do we have about US military assistance when the PRC attacks us again?

The US wants India for just 3 reasons.To buy mainly US milware and second-rate tech. Like touting its decades-old F-16s and F-18s. The best top end tech and milware will always be denied to us. It's why it's so pissed off with S-400s and other deals with Ru,for N-subs,aircraft,missile tech.,etc. which it will NEVER give u because we can use it against the US too!

To use Indian territory as bases for the US military-see the various agreements we've signed with the US compromising our sovereignty.Neither Russia or the EU nations demanded such tribute from us.This gives the US a none-too subtle degree of control over our armed forces,especially through cooperative engagement in the maritime sphere.

Thirdly, to be cannon fodder against the PLAN in the ICS. Roping in " allies" to take the heat. Typical of the US to shoot from another's shoulder. However,here there is abundant caution amongst Quad members that the outfit does not spark off a shooting march with the Chins.Where is the only place in the world where there's a shooting match taking place? In the Himalays between the Chins and India! Has the US denounced the Chins for that action? NO,It's least interested in our border issue and our fate. Biden is just using us to armtwist the Chins into a better deal for the US in their bi-lateral and trade relations.
You just described exactly what it means to be an American "Ally" or rather doormat
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ramana wrote:To me looks like Biden Admin has decided that India won't buy the fighter planes: F21/F-18 and the EMALs without regime change in India. And bring India into their camp as neo-Gungadin.
So they are using the Corona Virus crisis as an opportunity.
This is exactly correct. It remains to be seen how this current surge will be exploited to interfere in the WB state elections. Two more phases left and there are about a dozen by-elections in other states which voted last week. Already the Democratic party corporate media of the Washington Post, NYT, CNN, MSNBC, Time, Newsweek, and others are piling on.
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Vanity Fair had an article on 6 April where it quotes unnamed Biden officials that they want US to be the vaccine production citadel of the world.
If you see the actions from that point of view, it's easy to stop raw materials for Serum Institute.

LINK
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Arshyam, Try the Vanity Fair article.
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Are we revisiting another sanctions era without even N-testing again? It is v.interesting to see what is happening in the Antipodes. One of the "5 Eyes" clique,NZ ,is not joining the anti- China trade bandwagon ,a policy which Oz has just imposed.NZ gets 27% of her exports from the PRC. It will be interesting to see what pressure is applied upon the NZ govt. to conform.

After we joined the Quad,the US fondly imagined that India had "fallen in line" like poodleistan Britain. Buying only US milware like Trident,JSFs,P-8s,etc. and would pay tribute to us as the new " Indo- Pacific" colonial power. Offering us stale goods like the two aging beauties for the air force and IN, one in service with Pak for decades,just given a new numberplate and the other unfit ,too large for our carriers' lifts,was an insult to our intelligence. Didn't the outcome of the earlier MMRCA contest where the IAF chose the Rafale on merit not enter into the heads of Yanqui numbskulls, that their hags with extra warpaint weren't good enough?!
It reminds me of US senators during a visit to Japan trying to armtwist the Japanese into buying US cars despite the steering wheel being on the wrong side!

The Biden era has begun with a new punishment protocol for friends and enemies alike. Trying to strangulate the SI despite the PM's gestures to the US during the Trump era by sending it CV drugs and exports of vaccines too despite our own suffering,an act which has become controversial at home today as we reel from the second wave of CV.

Russia is being sanctioned tranche 2 or 3, because of the UKR trying to stir the pot in its civil war at the urging of the White House jeffe,prompting strong Ru show of force. Anti-Putin pro-Navalny demos being instigated to coincide with the UKR tensions and a second attempt at regime change in Syria has begun with several incidents,Israeli attacks- another Iranian tanker off the Lebanese coast has been hit in a drone strike,3 killed. A former Czech pres. has described his country as a " pooch" after trying desperately to convince the world that an arms dump explosion some time ago was Ru sabotage because a couple of Russians were supposedly in thc country at the time,no hard evidence at all,yet expulsion of 18 Ru diplomats. The timing to coincide with Biden's sanctions.

The maritime intrusion into our EEZ where a USN warship conducted mil. exercises without informing us was a slap in our face, but thank goodness it happened! It was a timely reminder that Biden's foreign policy personifies that of the last century stereotype of the " Ugly American".
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Mort Walker wrote: Already the Democratic party corporate media of the Washington Post, NYT, CNN, MSNBC, Time, Newsweek, and others are piling on.
This is what happens when a country's leader courts, and publicly supports a candidate in another country's national elections. Hindsight is 2020, but Modi coming out so strong for Trump means Biden and his admin feels no obligations to try help India now. Like the saying goes, every dog has its day, this is Biden admins day now and we should have seen this coming. No amount of tweets will alter the situation and its better to bite the bullet, pay the price, and move on.
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Jay wrote:
Mort Walker wrote: Already the Democratic party corporate media of the Washington Post, NYT, CNN, MSNBC, Time, Newsweek, and others are piling on.
Hindsight is 2020, but Modi coming out so strong for Trump means Biden and his admin feels no obligations to try help India now. Like the saying goes, every dog has its day, this is Biden admins day now and we should have seen this coming.
Not trying to troll. But Modi went strong on Trump because he truly understood the alternative. In some sense this was inevitable. Corona is just 1 issue where things have been exposed so clearly. But other issues not related to Corona are flaring up too.
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V.true.Why do our some of our leaders run after the white man so unashamedly? Snake-Oil Singh grovelled before Dubya Bush making the infamous statement " India loves you!"
Modi ran after Trump in an over-enthusiastic inferior manner,. Both leaders somehow wanted the nod of the US big chief as a sign of approbation to boast about back home!

Indira Gandhi was the opposite.She made Nixon and his flunkey Kissinger extremely uncomfortable by taking the moral high ground especially during the BDesh crisis.
She never minced her words telling EU leaders that when the Europeans came to India they did because it was the richest country in the world,but when they left it was one of the poorest. She signed a treaty of friendship with the Sovs., guaranteeing their mil. support without even giving them mil. base facilities on our soil!
Pandit Nehru held his own ground,was the pre-eminent leader of the NAM even though his "moral power is enough" attitude was deeply flawed and he suffered a catastrophic defeat in '62 .

I can only put this down to, a strong inferiority complex when dealing with white western leaders who head richer more tech.- advanced countries since we need high-tech from them plus their export markets. If you look at the educational level of the majority of our netas who behave like tribal leaders not statesmen ,the picture becomes sharper.Add to that a grovelling, backside-licking (to the white and yellow man ) MEA establishment ,and the picture is complete.Xitler was treated like the emperor of Asia by a fawning MEA and he took it as a sign of subservience ,hence further militarisation of Tibetan and Ladakh and the Galwan gambit.
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DemocRats have already lost little of the goodwill they had post elections and Midterm in 2022 is theirs to lose both the majority in House and Senate.
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Not true. Biden has a 59% approval rating (absurdly high considering the circumstances of the contested election). His measures have been hugely popular (though it remains to be seen how he plans to pay for them).

Importantly, Biden has successfully managed to co-opt the far left wing of his party into his own centrist vision by incorporating some of their high-visibility agenda items into his policy formulations. Honestly, I did not think he was capable of this, and that the Squad/Antifa types would fracture the Democratic party from within. But he has done it.

It would be a grave mistake to write off this guy based on Republican propaganda. The last thing you want to do as India is underestimate your adversary based on first appearances and the "conventional wisdom" of news traders.

Biden's age is honestly not all that advanced for top world leadership... Reagan was equally old, and many highly effective leaders from Latin America to Iran to former USSR to China have been extremely capable well into their late 70s. Do not blindly swallow PR propaganda about youthful, dynamic leaders (consider both Rajiv & Rahul Gandhi for example). It's all in the individual.

Biden is not an effective public speaker, but it's nothing to do with his age... he has ALWAYS been a man of gaffes and word-salads, and has had a stuttering impediment from childhood. But you know what? He is still there. After 50 years in the cut-throat competitive world of Washington's "House of Cards", Joe Biden has quietly survived and thrived while many "dynamic youth icons" and inspiring speechmakers burned brightly & faded quickly. You think a fool can do that?

And finally in 2019-20, Biden beat out 16 competitors to become the Democrats' Presidential nominee. Again, an exceptional feat. Some say that is because he is the "chosen nominee" of Wall Street elites. To them I say... abhey oye, the very fact he could convince Wall Street elites to back HIM (and no other) as their chosen nominee is not coincidence. It is a masterpiece of political skills & negotiating acumen.

Here on BRF we have astute observers who describe Sharad Pawar as a "fox" because he is so cunning even in his old age and poor health. But these same observers somehow just assume that Joe Biden must be a duffer.

I seriously hope S Jaishankar, Ajit Doval and Modi do not underestimate him in this way.
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Jay wrote:
Mort Walker wrote: Already the Democratic party corporate media of the Washington Post, NYT, CNN, MSNBC, Time, Newsweek, and others are piling on.
This is what happens when a country's leader courts, and publicly supports a candidate in another country's national elections. Hindsight is 2020, but Modi coming out so strong for Trump means Biden and his admin feels no obligations to try help India now. Like the saying goes, every dog has its day, this is Biden admins day now and we should have seen this coming. No amount of tweets will alter the situation and its better to bite the bullet, pay the price, and move on.
This only creates a delay of 3-4 weeks as critical chemicals and molecules will be produced in India. Modi supported Trump because he was president and Trump supported India. Simply transactional. In May 2020, the Trump administration sent a few hundred ventilators to India, but not even that from this administration. India needs to make a short term purchased of materials for ramping up from 3-4 to 6-7 million/day vaccine doses administered. The irrational and illogical thinking of the current US regime isn't hypocrisy, but genocide. At this rate the Biden-Harris regime will be responsible for about half of all covid deaths in India for the next 3 weeks or roughly 30,000 dead. The people who voted for them are equally complicit.
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Not true. Biden has a 59% approval rating (absurdly high considering the circumstances of the contested election). His measures have been hugely popular (though it remains to be seen how he plans to pay for them).
The approval rating comes from stimulus monies and corporate handouts coming in the name of infrastructure will carry forward this regime into 2023. After that, it becomes questionable. There are some people who are getting very wealthy. Equity markets are full of cash with various speculative Special Purpose Acquisition Companies (SPACs).
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And Biden is talking about the Armrnian genocide right now!
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Why aren't prominent (actually ALL) Indian-Americans not raising their voices against Biden admin's vaccine hoarding and denial policies that are hurting 1.3 billion people back home?

IAs need mobilise themselves and others, and write to, tweet, call, email.... and implore US admin at every level to change these short sighted, poorly thought out policies. Toolkits can be used for good too.

Attending Howdy Modi is the easy part of being true to one's roots. Standing up in times like these and using one's influence at any level is such an obvious thing to do. Every day and hour counts now !

May be some US based BRFites can take the lead and do this to whatever extent they can?
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Cyrano wrote:Why aren't prominent (actually ALL) Indian-Americans not raising their voices against Biden admin's vaccine hoarding and denial policies that are hurting 1.3 billion people back home?

IAs need mobilise themselves and others, and write to, tweet, call, email.... and implore US admin at every level to change these short sighted, poorly thought out policies. Toolkits can be used for good too.

Attending Howdy Modi is the easy part of being true to one's roots. Standing up in times like these and using one's influence at any level is such an obvious thing to do. Every day and hour counts now !

May be some US based BRFites can take the lead and do this to whatever extent they can?

there is a theory that "Howdy Modi" may well be the reason for this
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America cancelled modi's visa and has been hounding him for years. What's the big deal with howdy modi? Trump was president of USA. I think at least, Indians should not give this kind go justification for amriki's actions.
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sampat wrote:America cancelled modi's visa and has been hounding him for years. What's the big deal with howdy modi? Trump was president of USA. I think at least, Indians should not give this kind go justification for amriki's actions.

usually it's their lord who sayeth "vengeance is mine" but this time around, it's the democrats who are sayething it
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The point is not about Howdy Modi. NaMo was one of the first to congratulate Biden once congress ratified the election results. Its Govt dealing with Govts, not individuals. If Biden administration acts as a friend, Namaste Biden-Harris will follow.

The point I'm making is that if a large majority of Indian Americans voted for Dems & Biden, its time to use that to influence Biden admin to relook at their policies towards India. Recent violations by US Navy, CATSAA threat, failure to rein in Harris niece, and now blocking supplies to SII (India is not asking for vaccines at all) are all steps that are moving the relations between the world's two largest democracies backward.

IA community can and must do its bit to make Biden admin rethink its approach.

The Vanity Fair article is quite revealing in how "businessman Trump" negotiated short sighted contracts with Pharma biggies and his "art of the deal" resulted in fart contracts.

French President Macron also requested Biden to send AZ vaccines lying unused in the US when the situation started deteriorating in France a couple of months ago. Biden flatly refused.

There must be enough legal and other levers GOTUS has to renegotiate/nullify ridiculous liability indemnities and export restrictions while injecting massive funds, upfront payments and ensuring big Pharma has order books full for decades. What seems to be lacking is the clarity to see and the will to do the right thing.
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Cyrano wrote:The point is not about Howdy Modi. NaMo was one of the first to congratulate Biden once congress ratified the election results. Its Govt dealing with Govts, not individuals. If Biden administration acts as a friend, Namaste Biden-Harris will follow.

The point I'm making is that if a large majority of Indian Americans voted for Dems & Biden, its time to use that to influence Biden admin to relook at their policies towards India. Recent violations by US Navy, CATSAA threat, failure to rein in Harris niece, and now blocking supplies to SII (India is not asking for vaccines at all) are all steps that are moving the relations between the world's two largest democracies backward.

IA community can and must do its bit to make Biden admin rethink its approach.

The Vanity Fair article is quite revealing in how "businessman Trump" negotiated short sighted contracts with Pharma biggies and his "art of the deal" resulted in fart contracts.

French President Macron also requested Biden to send AZ vaccines lying unused in the US when the situation started deteriorating in France a couple of months ago. Biden flatly refused.

There must be enough legal and other levers GOTUS has to renegotiate/nullify ridiculous liability indemnities and export restrictions while injecting massive funds, upfront payments and ensuring big Pharma has order books full for decades. What seems to be lacking is the clarity to see and the will to do the right thing.


beijingbiden's administration has many self serving Indian ameriki coconuts who are conspicuous in their silence led by the black baptist mylapore maami, aka comma la heiress

why should poor SDREs open their mouths when the wind is not blowing their way.

a lot of them are pro biden and voted for him too
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Howdy Modi could hardly be the reason.

Pfizer. They need entry in India.
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https://www.firstpost.com/world/joe-bid ... 60341.html
Joe Biden’s ‘America First’ policy on vaccines may create a serious wrinkle in bilateral ties as pandemic ravages India
Sreemoy Talukdar, April 24, 2021

When the US claims moral leadership and professes to be a normative superpower, then it must defer to its moral obligations or else risk the unraveling of its power
According to health ministry data, India on Friday reported a record-breaking 332,730 new cases of COVID-19, pushing the total caseload past 16 million. Deaths rose by 2,263 to reach a total of 186,920. These debilitating numbers are attached with a reasonable scare that we haven’t seen the worst yet. As India’s health system collapses under the weight of a devastating second wave, leaving a country of 1.4 billion reeling on the brink of an unprecedented disaster, a huge amount of public rage — organic and driven by the street — is being directed at “strategic partner” United States for what is being perceived here as ‘hoarding’ of vaccines by the Joe Biden administration, ‘blocking’ of raw materials essential for vaccine production and turning a deaf ear to India’s desperation for help.
There would be riders, technicalities and complexities cited by the US side as justification for its actions. And this is not to say that America’s vaccine policy has caused India’s biggest health crisis. But these caveats matter little when a majority of Indians express their outrage (and one has to take only a cursory look at social media timelines) at India’s ‘natural ally’ creating impediments instead of facilitating vaccine production while millions in India are struggling to cope with the ferocity of the pandemic. This not only casts the Biden administration — that stresses on globalism and never tires to claim moral leadership of the democratic world — in unflattering light, but also raises the possibility that bilateral ties may become irreparably strained and make it harder for Washington to pursue its strategic goals vis-à-vis India. Foreign policy cannot remain immune to domestic concerns.
India’s sense of injury has been compounded by the fact that when the US was going through a similar health crisis late last year, the Narendra Modi government eased an export ban on anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine — that Donald Trump at that time had touted as a “game changer” — and shipped it to the US despite domestic criticism. Trump had termed Modi’s gesture “terrific” and wrote on Twitter: “Extraordinary times require even closer cooperation between friends. Thank you India and the Indian people for the decision on HCQ. Will not be forgotten! Thank you Prime Minister @NarendraModi for your strong leadership in helping not just India, but humanity, in this fight!”
As a commentary in Carnegie points out, “In addition, the (Indian) government eased the ban against nitrile butadiene rubber gloves, in the interest of protecting frontline workers across the globe.”
And yet, even though Washington is not facing any emergency, the Biden administration has refused to ease provisions of the Korean War-era Defense Production Act (DPA), that mandates manufacturers in the US (and those registered in the US) to prioritise supply of raw materials for the US domestic market. In effect, this has meant that Serum Institute of India (SII), the world’s biggest vaccine maker that has been manufacturing the lion’s share of jabs that millions of Indians are getting inoculated with (and has also been catering to global markets), is at risk of running out of critical supplies such as cell culture media, reagents, tubing materials, nano-filters, plastic bagging material and equipment and 30 other items required for scaling up vaccine production.
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Sonugn wrote:Howdy Modi could hardly be the reason.

Pfizer. They need entry in India.
they are not going to admit to anything like that.

they were pretty cut up about howdy modi and other meetings like it so that is the way they will go.

If it is a play for Pfizer, then our guys will make sure that Pfizer will not enter.

nothing that biden or his pop can do about it
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If Pfizer wants to enter India, they couldn't have chose a worse way to go about it than what they have done so far.

Under this Govt., India will, in the coming months turn this crisis too into an opportunity...
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Anti-US sentiment explodes as Joe Biden-Kamala Harris remain cold to New Delhi's needs
WASHINGTON: Anti-US and anti-western sentiment is exploding across social media with growing criticism directed at the Biden-Harris administration for sitting on stockpiles of unused vaccines, jealously guarding patents, and turning a deaf ear to the dire situation in Covid19-wracked countries such as India and Brazil.

Even American civil society, lawmakers, and businesses are joining the denunciation of Washington amid reports that the US is sitting on huge stockpiles of vaccines though demand is plateauing or dropping across America. This has ked to many vaccinations centers shutting down - an implicit repudiation of the Biden administration's stand that it wants to take care of Americans first.

In a surprise push back against the America first argument, the US Chamber of Commerce on Friday urged the administration to urgently send vaccines to countries badly affected by Covid-19, warning "no one is safe from the pandemic until we are all safe from it."

"The US Chamber strongly encourages the administration to release the millions of AstraZeneca vaccine doses in storage - as well as other life-saving support - for shipment to India, Brazil, and other nations hard-hit by the pandemic," USCC's executive vice president Myron Brilliant said, adding, "These vaccine doses will not be needed in the United States, where it’s estimated that vaccine manufacturers will be able produce enough doses by early June to vaccinate every American."

US to send aid to India government, healthcare workers to battle Covid-19 crisis
Even former administration officials and Democratic Party stalwarts urged the Biden White House to respond to India's needs. "India’s current wave requires immediate support from the United States and the international community. India has always stepped up to support others in need and now the time has come for us to help India," tweeted Nisha Biswal, a former US assistant secretary of state for South Asia in the Obama administration.

According to a report by the Duke Global Health Innovation Center, the United States is on track to have an oversupply of up to 300 million or more vaccine doses as soon as July - counting the Astra Zeneca and Johnson and Johnson vaccines that Washington has sidelined - even as many countries in the developing world will have to wait years to vaccinate a majority of their populations.

By one account, nearly half — 48 per cent — of all vaccine doses administered so far have gone to just 16 per cent of the world’s population in high-income countries, undermining the WHO's effort to forestall vaccine inequity.

There is also sharp criticism of the US for putting a premium on patents ahead of saving lives at a critical time. Earlier this week, Oxfam released a letter signed by more than 100 former heads of state and Nobel laureates calling on President Biden to waive intellectual property rules for coronavirus vaccines and "put the collective right to safety for all ahead of the commercial monopolies of the few."

There is also the inevitable left-right politics infecting the debate. Some in India's right-wing are nostalgically recalled the Trump administration's support for New Delhi on various issues while excoriating the Biden-Harris dispensation, even though it was Trump who instituted the America first policy, including in the fight against the pandemic."Remember HCQ (Hydrochloroquin)? When President Trump requested for it, India provided, though not enough for its own population. Nice words will not cut it. 1.3 billion Indians will remember who stood by them in the hour if their need," read one post on Twitter.

"So 'Indian descent' VP Kamala Harris and niece will not push for US to take basic calls to help other countries during a pandemic. But they will sit in US and virtue-signal India and everyone else! Champions of human rights?" read another, referring to the US Vice-President's niece Meena Harris who is also a vocal critic of India's human rights record.

Another tweet listed the Biden administration's actions in recent weeks seen as inimical to New Delhi - including "blocking vaccine raw materials, calling India a currency manipulator, entering Indian waters without notice, issuing negative reports on human and minority rights in India" - and asked "Is this how an ally behaves?"
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Cyrano wrote:If Pfizer wants to enter India, they couldn't have chose a worse way to go about it than what they have done so far.

Under this Govt., India will, in the coming months turn this crisis too into an opportunity...
This isn’t just about Pfizer, but an attack on all Indian pharmaceutical production. The denial will slow down production of all India produced Covid vaccines for the entire world. It’s actually quite insidious.
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Agree. There is more to the vaccine supplies denial than just vaccines. That a rising India makes world powers go so defensive so early is unbelievable!

Good in a way, leaves us no choice but to keep going upwards!
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Mort Walker wrote: This isn’t just about Pfizer, but an attack on all Indian pharmaceutical production. The denial will slow down production of all India produced Covid vaccines for the entire world. It’s actually quite insidious.
+1. It has nothing to do with Pfizer in particular or howdy events. Trace political power controls held by islamists and chinese in US. There are Hindus in US who are millionaires. Alright. There are many more islamists who are mega millionaires and billionaires in medico industry alone. Heck even African immigrants are getting there while Hindus in medical industry are content with couple millions and kids in school. Half of them won't even show up to organizing events to tackle these islamists and hold the business space to continue to earn more. All these islamists interact with politicians on weekly if not daily level. Same for chinese.

May be it is time to rethink about the virus and chimera.
File RTIs in India to trace money and jaichands to understand December 2020 and onwards. Especially for anything to do with medical industry. When I say medico, I also include pharma.

Vaccines and virus feedback loop is a slow one. Alternatives are needed. It doesn't seem feasible for India to run standards and protocols to counter present and future events.

It's the imported weapons that I'll be worried about. Many decisions in last few years that were not taken will come back to haunt as the crucial unhindered development time was lost.

I'll be waiting to see upcoming US budget analysis from Mortji and others.
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No raw materials for now but potentially borrowing of AZ vaccine from the stockpile, which if not used would expire.

Krishnamoorthi calls on Biden to release AstraZeneca vaccine stores to ailing countries
Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-Ill.) on Saturday evening called on the Biden Administration to release its supply of AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine to countries experiencing a surge in coronavirus infections.

Krishnamoorthi, a member of the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis said in a statement that the U.S. needs to get the doses of the vaccine that it is not using to other countries that are experiencing intense surges in COVID-19.

"We are currently sitting on close to 40 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine in the U.S. stockpile, a stockpile which we’re not using and which we’ve already opened to combat COVID-19 in Mexico and Canada," Kirshnamoorthi said.
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“I respectfully but strongly call on the Biden Administration to release millions of AstraZeneca vaccine doses to countries hardest-hit by the spread of COVID-19, including India, Argentina, and potentially others.
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Following Krishnamoorthi's statement, Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Pa.) retweeted the Illinois lawmaker's post, stating that he was "absolutely right."

"Thanks @CongressmanRaja. You are absolutely right. We should take this up as the US-India Caucus," Khanna said, referring to both of the lawmakers' Indian roots.

Public health professionals are also calling on the Biden administration to help India as it deals with its surge.

Ashish K. Jha, dean of Brown University School of Public Health called for the administration to release vaccine doses in an op-ed for The Washington Post on Saturday.

"Given declining rates of vaccination among Americans, they seem unlikely to ever see domestic use. We should lend them to India now," he wrote.

Vin Gupta, an intensive care doctor and medical analyst for NBC News, also suggested the U.S. to take action on Twitter. Gupta said that the could U.S. deploy the Air Force's Critical Care Air Transport Teams to the country.
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on top of the USCIRF report against India and again the "freedom report", and the FONOP fiasco, a pattern is starting to form.

why dismiss anything out of hand.

the US, EU and the eyrabs were never our friends in any sense of the term.

they all see us as the hunted and the prey, in more ways than one.

they are constrained to acknowledge us now because people like Modi have risen, despite their best efforts to block him but will kick us in the teeth if they could.

just see how grandma merkel's true feeling about India, which she had kept hidden all these years, simply burst forth in a single unguarded moment, after years and years of pretending and playacting, and the same goes for beijingbiden too

but we are dharmic and so we always have to find explanations to excuse others when they put us down.
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The release of 40 million AZ doses, or 2 weeks worth of doses, is not what India is asking for. It is asking to make a purchase of critical vaccine production materials for producing nearly 70-100 million additional doses. The US knows full well that India will make enough for its population, but may fall short on supplying the rest of the world with inexpensive vaccines stable in commercial refrigeration.
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The abysmal standard of Indian reportage is evident in the lack of specifics. What is being denied? Materials needed to make vaccines is hardly an answer.

Is it the adjuvant, culture media, bioengineering enzymes? Brainless hyperventilating Indian media should save the histrionics for the talk shows where all shout at each other. Or perhaps it’s the culture. After all there is a market for such imbecility.
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Dharmic desi exporters have already reached out to various politicians and what's required is exactly known. Many work on a daily basis with big groups in India and handling exporting to them. I'm not aware of anyone coming up with the idea of AZ vaccine stock which is in unknown conditions.

The decision is coming from the top to not allow exports of raw materials that aren't impending any US vaccines as they are pretty much available everywhere and even being wasted at places where there are many more shots than US public interested in getting shots like in Midwest.

End of the day, it's a game of biological warfare era and not diplomacy. Nothing here that I assume that MAD doesn't know. It's all about predicting their next move. chinese aren't going to go home just like that.
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sanjaykumar wrote:The abysmal standard of Indian reportage is evident in the lack of specifics. What is being denied? Materials needed to make vaccines is hardly an answer.

Is it the adjuvant, culture media, bioengineering enzymes? Brainless hyperventilating Indian media should save the histrionics for the talk shows where all shout at each other. Or perhaps it’s the culture. After all there is a market for such imbecility.
yes but we are also very forgetting.

how many here remember that back in 1992, beijingbiden made sure that India did not get access to cryogenic tech for its space programme

doddering and lovable old codger he may well be but he is an India hating ahole who has been shafting us all along
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sanjaykumar wrote:The abysmal standard of Indian reportage is evident in the lack of specifics. What is being denied? Materials needed to make vaccines is hardly an answer.

Is it the adjuvant, culture media, bioengineering enzymes? Brainless hyperventilating Indian media should save the histrionics for the talk shows where all shout at each other. Or perhaps it’s the culture. After all there is a market for such imbecility.
My understanding is that the US act does not explicitly list what materials are banned, but generically states that entire classes of certain materials that go into a vaccine are banned. I have searched for that list earlier but couldn’t find it either.
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Tanaji wrote:
sanjaykumar wrote:The abysmal standard of Indian reportage is evident in the lack of specifics. What is being denied? Materials needed to make vaccines is hardly an answer.

Is it the adjuvant, culture media, bioengineering enzymes? Brainless hyperventilating Indian media should save the histrionics for the talk shows where all shout at each other. Or perhaps it’s the culture. After all there is a market for such imbecility.
My understanding is that the US act does not explicitly list what materials are banned, but generically states that entire classes of certain materials that go into a vaccine are banned. I have searched for that list earlier but couldn’t find it either.
this is to claim that India is not the specific target but it is unfortunate that India has been unintentionally affected but they can't do anything to help us.

expect a sanctions regime against India to kick in when the delivery of the S-400 system is made to India.

but, their catsaa and all the other crappy alphabet soup agreements will be enforced by the moral writ of the great amerki law by which all colored natives have to abide by.
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Going back to 90's, one shouldn't forget US doing bidding of chinese and trying to coerce India at UN.
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1992 - The US Senate FRC voted to block $24b in aid to Russia if it went ahead with a $250M (cryogenic) rocket sale to India.

Joe Biden - "Russian leaders will recognize the wisdom of stopping this sale once they see the risk of losing their economic aid"

Senators Put a Price on New Russian Aid : Arms control: Foreign Relations panel votes to block assistance if Moscow goes through with rocket sale to India.
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