India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

[chetak]

My favorite quote from the presser was from EAM Dr.S.Jaishanker's masterful/savage reply (after prefixing "Thanks for you advice but I prefer to do it my way" [about a rude question about Russian oil supply]

Our purchases for the month would be less than what Europe does in an afternoon",

Standing along side US Defence Secy, Secretary of state..asking those preaching people to look at their own import...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOhp0W_hDiI


'Look at the Europe...': Jaishankar's hard-hitting response to criticism over Russian oil purchase

[Nihat]

Bilken preaching us about human rights is classical US tone and is the one stop reason why that country cannot be trusted as a friend. It's a transactional relationship at best and will remain so.

The United States needs its partner countries to either be white or subjugate states and India being neither, can never be a true 'ally' in the sense that US perceives them

[Cyrano]

JS has given us a new flavour of "ghar me ghus kar marengey"

[kit]

As they say... we have come a long way baby .

If that was a boxing match , it would have been the knockout punch !

[SRajesh]

This new India should continue regardless of the regime change(if there is one) at the centre
The FS and EAM should articulate India's stance and not go back to the colonial mentality

[Cyrano]

Full press event with statements and Q&A from the MEA channel.

This 2+2 hopefully helped the US establishment get a little bit out of its obsessive Ukraine navel gazing at the moment and see the larger picture.

[Manish_Sharma]

This new India should continue regardless of the regime change(if there is one) at the centre
The FS and EAM should articulate India's stance and not go back to the colonial mentality

Circa 1998 mandela mentioned Kashmir in UNGA address.

India under Vajpayee govt. condemned mandela and mandela apologized.

But Sonia-gujral-pawar sent delegation to Mandela to apologize on behalf of Indian people for Vajpayee government's vicious attack on him.

Who do you see other than BJP doing it?

Stalin? Pawar? Nitish? Mamta Banerjee? Raghuram rajan? kejri? Prashant kishore? Akhilesh yadav? Tejasvi yadav? Jaganmohan teddy? Chadrababu naidu? Raul? Bianca? Sonia?

Only one seems possible is Naveen Patnaik.

[SRajesh]

Manishji
The Baboos should resist the political pressures and guide EAM's like SM Krishna/IK Gujral/VC Shukla/Salman Kurshid types ever making serious bo-bo.
The experiment of Kichadi governments should stop
Hope the 'Populusque' realize this and sensible in voting the next governement

[Haresh]

Penn Law professor Amy Wax tells Tucker Carlson that "Blacks" and other "non-western" groups harbor "resentment, shame, and envy" against western people for their "outsized achievements and contributions."

https://twitter.com/NikkiMcR/status/1513561069070999553

[Cyrano]

SJ's replies on energy imports from Russia is also a clear warning to woke EU and Poodlestan to not rake this topic further. His repeated mention on humanitarian aid to Ukraine is to tell them & US that while you're helping Ukraine (by sending arms) to kill more of its own people, India is the one actually helping save some lives.

I don't expect the Ukr Govt to acknowledge this, much less appreciate India's efforts, stoned as they are with extreme ideology and sense of entitlement demanding "security guarantees" from anyone who looks at them. What security guarantee have they given to their own people despite Minsk accords ?

One key word I'd like SJ to add to "respect of territorial integrity" is "respect of sovereignty" - which means condemnation of interventionist regime change tactics. Perhaps it will come soon.

[kit]

Saudi TV on Biden

https://twitter.com/i/status/1513681354348716035

[Haresh]

Penn Law to sanction professor who said U.S. ‘better off’ with fewer Asians

“If you go into medical schools, you’ll see that Indians, South Asians are now rising stars. In medicine, they’re sort of the new Jews, I guess, but these diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives are poisoning the scientific establishment and the medical establishment now,” said Wax, 69, a tenured professor who is Jewish.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-amer ... -rcna12749

[chetak]

Manishji
The Baboos should resist the political pressures and guide EAM's like SM Krishna/IK Gujral/VC Shukla/Salman Kurshid types ever making serious bo-bo.
The experiment of Kichadi governments should stop
Hope the 'Populusque' realize this and sensible in voting the next governement

any govt that follows the BJP govt is bound to be a messy kichdi with every coalition partner out to grab as much as they can carry away

eagerly waiting in the wings are toothless tottering tigers, slithering sharks and venturesome vultures

NGOs will be back with a bang and will pay out 15-20% of their take from foreign donations to the local bag men

and people like the देश का दामाद vadara, the "dynamic businessman" who pushes the envelope will prosper and blossom

[Manish_Sharma]

Manishji
The Baboos should resist the political pressures and guide EAM's ......

Rsatchi ji,

"should" is a fantasy, we better deal with "what is" !!!

"What is" the reality?
That morarji, gujral destroyed RAW network in porkistan and bureaucracy was helpless. mms appointed dulat as RAW chief and bureaucracy was helpless.

"What is" the reality?
That gujral

"What is" the reality?
Gurmeet Kanwal chummed up with asad hakeem paki brigadier to write article about vacating Siachin and bureaucrats like shyam saran fully supported mms co. on this. It was General V.K. Singh and army brass who prevented that disaster.

"What is" the reality?
That gujral declared to the world India's secret bio weapons program and destroyed it. Bureaucrats should have stopped him but they couldn't OR didn't! While usa, china refuse to forgo their bio weapons program.

When gujrals and mms types are in charge bureaucracy follows them meekly probably most top end bureacrats have their kids studying in west. Only tension bureaucrats seem to create like in case of Alok Verma CBI kaand or foreign secretary Sujatha Singh is during Vajpayee and Modi times.

Hoping bureaucracy will GUIDE kejri-mamta-pawar types is living in impossible dream.

[SRajesh]

Manishji
The issue is is there enough spine in the bureaucracy??
We should have think-tanks with purely Indic views rather than Kabab-circuit Aman/Tamasha types of retired baboos!!
Add to this the lure of Green-card for the kids/family or honey-traps completely destroys independent policy making.
As long as we have checks put in place to eradicate this, independent policy will definitely follow.
Khan land/Britshits or even the CCP definite world view, the politicians can and sometimes do alter few things but the basic structure is firmly in place and that's what we need to have
And if the politicos try to harm the interest of the country then same should apply to them and they should be named and that should stop Gujral types coming to power especially occupying 'High Chair'

[Bart S]

I believe he's being treated for rabies after a DC fox bit him.

Ro Khanna ?

Yes, that is the rabid varmint alright.

[vijayk]

Ro Khanna is close to a classmate of mine. All his progressive drama is made for TV. He was hoping to be picked up as VP or US Senate. I told my friend that he needs to become Trans to be eligible for either of those opportunities.
He told my friend that Tulsi is done after she criticized Hillary and/or supported Sanders in 2016 primaries by quitting from DNC. He is being asked by Sanders teams to run in Primaries in 2024 as Progressive torch bearer. very cunning and calculative piece of garbage

[SRajesh]

Multiple people shot New York subway
??Any ideas if perp a Shanthidooth

[vijayk]

Multiple people shot New York subway
??Any ideas if perp a Shanthidooth

If it is it will be some guy of British descent or South Asian descent otherwise white man

[ramana]

Manishji
The Baboos should resist the political pressures and guide EAM's like SM Krishna/IK Gujral/VC Shukla/Salman Kurshid types ever making serious bo-bo.
The experiment of Kichadi governments should stop
Hope the 'Populusque' realize this and sensible in voting the next governement

Babus should give options and not guide anybody. They are government servants.
Its the people who elect kichadi governments.
EC reforms can stop this.
Anyway off-topic for this thread.

[ramana]

I believe he's being treated for rabies after a DC fox bit him.

Ro Khanna ?

The poor fox will get 'woke' rabies.

[vera_k]

Multiple people shot New York subway
??Any ideas if perp a Shanthidooth

Unfortunately, except for the unexploded devices, multiple people shot is normal. Happens every day in the US. To add to that, cities these days are suffering from having cut back on law and order due to social justice protests from last year.

[ramana]

Despite the public appearance, the 2+2 summit is a failure as the US is unable to resolve the Ukraine Crisis which is existential to Western Europe and thus the West.

Having sown the wind, reap the whirlwind as the Bible says.
Biden and his coterie are responsible...
But then Republicans are no better.

[Cyrano]

Putin will resolve it for them soon...

[bala]

The US higher EDU is now clogged with foreign students and a good many of them are from India. On the private companies front, many Indians dominate the upper echelons VPs, Exec VPs, COOs and quite a few are CEOs. The US still remains in colonial mindset of the Brits dismissing India as some small vassal state, bringing up favorite flogging items like ooouuman rights and concerns about India's relationships with other nations. To cover themselves they 'Talk' a tale of shared values, democracy, etc. Let us be clear: India's value system is ancient, durable and worked for centuries compared to the West's new notion of democracy and tolerance (which is merely tolerating you) and the two notions are not equivalent. Liberandu media is awash with India buying oil from Russia and India not toeing the Western line and acting against Ukr. Not one pipsqueak about China and its behavior, a 'dumb as rock' reporter will never dare ask Emperor Xi about its oil trade or have the condescending tone. I am glad the current EAM/EA is on top of things and asserting its viewpoint.

[Rudradev]

Multiple people shot New York subway
??Any ideas if perp a Shanthidooth

Unfortunately, except for the unexploded devices, multiple people shot is normal. Happens every day in the US. To add to that, cities these days are suffering from having cut back on law and order due to social justice protests from last year.

Suspect is described as a "black male, heavy build, 5 foot 5 inch, dressed like a subway maintenance worker".

Black could mean an African-origin shantidoot.

Two things seem to distinguish this attack from the "normal" mass shootings in schools, malls, theatres etc.
1) Unexploded devices
2) The fact that the suspect escaped. In most of the random mass shootings, the suspect is a psycho who either turns the gun on himself or gets captured because hasn't thought out a plan for what happens after the attack. The suspect having escaped is more reminiscent of the Boston Marathon bombings of 2013 (a terrorist following a plan).

[chetak]

[sanjaykumar]

Amy Wax’s problem is one of the ostjuden.

When you are a second grade Jew and a third grade white.

Please note this is not a racist statement but more a sociological observation.

[ramana]

chetak< Austin can make all the statements he wants to lawmakers.
It's when he makes it to India that it matters.

[Manish_Sharma]

The US still remains in colonial mindset of the Brits dismissing India as some small vassal state, bringing up favorite flogging items like ooouuman rights and concerns about India's relationships with other nations.

British royalty became closet Islamists in last century, slowly this will percolate to USA as USA follows Britain:

An important thread:

Muslims won BRITISH without Bloodshed.

London mayor - Muslim
Birmingham mayor - Muslim
Leeds mayor - Muslim
Blackburn mayor - Muslim
Sheffield mayor - Muslim
Oxford mayor - Muslim
Luton mayor - Muslim
Oldham mayor - Muslim
Rochdale mayor - Musllim
(1/n)

3,000+ mosques
130+ Muslim sharia courts
50+ Muslim sharia councils

In entire UK, 'Muslims only-No Go' areas.

Around 78% Muslim women don't work and take free benefits of govt.

Around 63% Muslim men don't work and take free govt. benefits.
(2/n)

Muslim families with 7-8 children have free govt. plans and free govt. homes as well.

All schools in UK only serve Halal meat.

These all achieved with their only 4 millions out of 66 million population.
(3/n)

Conclusion:

Enjoy your some last years of your lives happily if you don't rise up and unite right now.

Once British ruled on almost entire world and look at their situation right now.

Please forward this to your each and every friend and family.
(4/n)

This is eye opening to all non muslims. Move this story of Invisible Islamic Jehad to the world including India.

Don't be surprised if Queen Elizabeth or British beg to @narendramodi ji or @myogiadityanath ji to take them out of terrorism after 10 years.
(5/n)
https://twitter.com/TheBakchodBilli/sta ... LmDRA&s=19

[g.sarkar]

JS has given us a new flavour of "ghar me ghus kar marengey"

As he said "thank you for the advice and suggestions in your question...", see the reaction on Blinken on his left. The good Dr. is soft spoken old school diplomat. This was not expected.
Gautam

[Anujan]

This new India should continue regardless of the regime change(if there is one) at the centre
The FS and EAM should articulate India's stance and not go back to the colonial mentality

Circa 1998 mandela mentioned Kashmir in UNGA address.

India under Vajpayee govt. condemned mandela and mandela apologized.

But Sonia-gujral-pawar sent delegation to Mandela to apologize on behalf of Indian people for Vajpayee government's vicious attack on him.

Who do you see other than BJP doing it?

Stalin? Pawar? Nitish? Mamta Banerjee? Raghuram rajan? kejri? Prashant kishore? Akhilesh yadav? Tejasvi yadav? Jaganmohan teddy? Chadrababu naidu? Raul? Bianca? Sonia?

Only one seems possible is Naveen Patnaik.

Read about the idiocy of Egypt and Palestine and how they completely lost India's support

India's diplomatic position was that they opposed creating "artificial countries" based on religion (Read Israel), and associated population movement (read the migration during partition)

Then the Ummah countries got together, got clever by half mentioning JK and India normalized relationship with Israel.

I think madela realized his mistake vis-a-vis JK. India was anti-apartheid and boycotted even cricket relationship with south africa during apartheid times

[Vayutuvan]

2) The fact that the suspect escaped.

Smoke bombs. Probably this is a trial run for something bigger based on the lessons learned from this episode.

[Manish_Sharma]

I remember how Trump had defended India from leftist liberal media raising Shaheen bagh, compare this with psycho sleepy joe administration.

But some sanctimonious amrika rakshaks who diss brf on Maverick's blog and pretend to be India's well wishers, always support Dems hillary joe harris ....

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 19214.html

Blinken:

we are monitoring some recent concerning developments in India, including a rise in human rights abuses by some government, police, and prison officials,” US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said. (ANI)

[Manish_Sharma]

Read about the idiocy of Egypt and Palestine and how they completely lost India's support...

Thanks, will read this up. I didn't know about this...

[Mort Walker]

2) The fact that the suspect escaped.

Smoke bombs. Probably this is a trial run for something bigger based on the lessons learned from this episode.

NYC spent billions on security after 9/11. No police or working security cameras at subway stations mean there has been tremendous corruption in NYC to siphon security funds.

[M_Joshi]

I remember how Trump had defended India from leftist liberal media raising Shaheen bagh, compare this with psycho sleepy joe administration.

But some sanctimonious amrika rakshaks who diss brf on Maverick's blog and pretend to be India's well wishers, always support Dems hillary joe harris ....

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 19214.html

Blinken:

we are monitoring some recent concerning developments in India, including a rise in human rights abuses by some government, police, and prison officials,” US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said. (ANI)

True independent FP will be when Indian EAM can issue a statement in Washington "on our concerns for the safety & police brutality against African Americans & other minorities in the US especially in the Corporate Prison System. We hope these human right abuses shall be curtailed."

[Najunamar]

JS has given us a new flavour of "ghar me ghus kar marengey"

As he said "thank you for the advice and suggestions in your question...", see the reaction on Blinken on his left. The good Dr. is soft spoken old school diplomat. This was not expected.
Gautam

To be fair the question from Rosalind (WaPo) did present a good aa bel mujhe maar (ABMM) moment. Prior to the response there was a short exchange between Rajnath Singhji and Jaishankarji...

[Suraj]

I think madela realized his mistake vis-a-vis JK. India was anti-apartheid and boycotted even cricket relationship with south africa during apartheid times

India boycotted literally all sporting engagement and no South African aircraft could ever enter Indian airspace. India forfeited the 1974 Davis Cup tennis team championship final because its opponent was South Africa and the venue was Johannesburg. It was probably our best ever chance to win it with the Amritrajs at their peak, and we just walked away.

[Cyrano]

Those dumb questions are asked to represent faithfully their dumb audiences. If asking for themselves, they will be vicious attacks. Thats how journos operate.