India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

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Today, Minister Piyush Goyal and Secretary Gina Raimondo signed a Memorandum of Understanding on semiconductors and electronics supply chain
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As Commerce embarks on the implementation of CHIPS, we look forward to identifying further avenues for US-India cooperation when it comes to semiconductors.
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Nice development.

Do we have the human resource base needed to run the foundry?
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Amber G. wrote:Meanwhile some see gloomy future in everything... some are striking deals...:
Lockheed Martin and Tata Group Sign Memorandum of Understanding For Fighter Wing Production in India.
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It's just bijness. Like the Yanks and the Turks.. no need to be gloomy about it, but no need to paint a rosy picture either.
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US awaam is like Paki awaam full ...
:eek:
Like the Yanks and the Turks.. no need to be gloomy about it, but no need to paint a rosy picture either.
Seriously??? This is not an isolated trolling lahori logic type statement appearing too many times...
What is the purpose of this dhaga?? Just to troll/mock/dismiss serious posts without saying anything worthwhile...

Meanwhile: Yes, it is a big news:

India’s first Boeing Converted Freighter (BCF) line is on the way!

Boing working with GMR Aero Technic to establish the new BCF line as .. India’s aspiration on a path to become aviation & aerospace hub for the region #atmnirbhar_bharat.
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Avid wrote:Many on BRF have said the same, that eventually India will be in US crosshairs. Being a democracy alone does not safeguard us.
Absolutely, the 'Thucydides Trap' has a lot of history to that.

That's what will happen when an emerging power challenges or appears to challenge the established power. But, it is too early to talk about that. We can't approach IR like our 'projects' where we celebrate as soon as they are announced without even waiting for them to be launched and completed successfully.

We must take lessons from both Meiji period, Japan and Deng, period China. I will leave it at that.
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'Seriously' this thread is about India-US relations.

This, a business deal between two private entities, is just one small aspect of that.

Transactional in nature, as both the US and India are fond of saying.

Both parties have their own interests (profits to share holders in this case) at heart. Which should be fair enough.

The US one with Turkey via NATO was a much more 'strategic' one. And yet when the Turks tried to get a bit 'Freedomy' they were quickly brought to heel. Despite the decades of 'relations'. And that's fair enough as well.
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Amber G. wrote:
US awaam is like Paki awaam full ...
:eek:
Like the Yanks and the Turks.. no need to be gloomy about it, but no need to paint a rosy picture either.
Seriously??? This is not an isolated trolling lahori logic type statement appearing too many times...
What is the purpose of this dhaga?? Just to troll/mock/dismiss serious posts without saying anything worthwhile...

Meanwhile: Yes, it is a big news:

India’s first Boeing Converted Freighter (BCF) line is on the way!

Boing working with GMR Aero Technic to establish the new BCF line as .. India’s aspiration on a path to become aviation & aerospace hub for the region #atmnirbhar_bharat.
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These are just gimmicks.

Aerospace hub means low cost manufacturing (screwdriver mostly) of non-sensitive parts.

We see this in defence sector which hasn't yielded much success at all in the fields of innovation, talent retention, and high tech manufacturing.
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RoyG wrote:These are just gimmicks. Aerospace hub means low cost manufacturing (screwdriver mostly) of non-sensitive parts. We see this in defence sector which hasn't yielded much success at all in the fields of innovation, talent retention, and high tech manufacturing.
Starting with gimmicks / low value work also has its value in giving jobs, building a whole group of people with needed skillsets to take off later.
IT Sector also started off with low end Y2K jobs.
we need to learn to walk before we can sprint.
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A Deshmukh wrote:
RoyG wrote:These are just gimmicks. Aerospace hub means low cost manufacturing (screwdriver mostly) of non-sensitive parts. We see this in defence sector which hasn't yielded much success at all in the fields of innovation, talent retention, and high tech manufacturing.
Starting with gimmicks / low value work also has its value in giving jobs, building a whole group of people with needed skillsets to take off later.
IT Sector also started off with low end Y2K jobs.
we need to learn to walk before we can sprint.
I'm not saying it doesn't have value. Just not anything which sparkles. The IT sector is a bad example. While the work brings in a lot of money we are still unable to jump into innovation and global leadership. And this is after decades of back end work. Instead of jumping for joy for getting a contract to build a fuselage or manufacturing wiring and bolts which we already have the capacity to do, the emphasis now should be on leveraging talent and building a high tech manufacturing and innovation ecosystem.
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RoyG wrote: These are just gimmicks.

Aerospace hub means low cost manufacturing (screwdriver mostly) of non-sensitive parts.

We see this in defence sector which hasn't yielded much success at all in the fields of innovation, talent retention, and high tech manufacturing.
IMO, this is not a gimmick.

First, this deal does not involve any government. Second, the Indian company is private (traded perhaps). Finally, the Indian company seems (as best as I can tell) to be well established in the MRO env. So, this BCF effort, IMO, is a very good step forward. Certainly not a screw-driver variety - BCF (or P2F) does involve dimag - each aircraft could be totally different structurally and mech too (FBW, etc).

If Boeing is willing to divert a decent amount of work to this Indian company it would only help this company go on its own at some point in time - no need for support from Boeing.

I think this is a very good step (unlike, not taking a dig at anyone, just to make a point, the Indo-US NSF stuff). Also, I think this is a major step (specifically in the area of MRO). There is a product to show and a business to grow.

IMO.
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NRao wrote:
RoyG wrote: These are just gimmicks.

Aerospace hub means low cost manufacturing (screwdriver mostly) of non-sensitive parts.

We see this in defence sector which hasn't yielded much success at all in the fields of innovation, talent retention, and high tech manufacturing.
IMO, this is not a gimmick.

First, this deal does not involve any government. Second, the Indian company is private (traded perhaps). Finally, the Indian company seems (as best as I can tell) to be well established in the MRO env. So, this BCF effort, IMO, is a very good step forward. Certainly not a screw-driver variety - BCF (or P2F) does involve dimag - each aircraft could be totally different structurally and mech too (FBW, etc).

If Boeing is willing to divert a decent amount of work to this Indian company it would only help this company go on its own at some point in time - no need for support from Boeing.

I think this is a very good step (unlike, not taking a dig at anyone, just to make a point, the Indo-US NSF stuff). Also, I think this is a major step (specifically in the area of MRO). There is a product to show and a business to grow.

IMO.
Freighter conversion of a particular model (737) is low tech work. This is def screw driver type of scheme even if it's private sector. Good for India but not some kind of game changer as it's being marketed as.

Also any deal like this involves the gov in the background.
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RoyG wrote: Freighter conversion of a particular model (737) is low tech work. This is def screw driver type of scheme even if it's private sector. Good for India but not some kind of game changer as it's being marketed as.

Also any deal like this involves the gov in the background.
GMR Aero Technic wins Boeing’s contract to convert 737 P2Fs
GMR Aero Technic (GAT), the MRO (Maintenance, Repair and Overhaul) division of GMR Air Cargo and Aerospace Engineering Ltd.

(GACAEL), has been awarded an Indefinite Delivery Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) Boeing Global Services (BGS) contract to convert 737-800 passenger aircraft into a 737-800BCF configuration. GMR Aero Technic is the first Boeing Converted Freighter (BCF) partner to be located in India.

The partnership will support conversions of both domestic and foreign aircraft. GAT has bagged the contract through a global competitive RFP (request for proposal) {No gov involement}{Glad that there were plenty of others wanting this screwdriver job} bid which Boeing had announced to identify MROs for their B737BCF program.

GAT has been selected for the program post a detailed due diligence conducted by Boeing.

GAT will be the 4th location after China, UK and Costa Rica, where the freighter conversion work will be performed for the B737 BCF program.

Initially, this program will cover 30 plus aircraft BCF conversions, occupying multiple lines successively for appx. five years beginning in year 2023.

Speaking on this partnership, Mr Ashok Gopinath, CEO, GMR Aero Technic said, “With the rise in the Indian aviation industry, MRO services in India has been one of the fastest- growing market globally. The partnership with Boeing reaffirms our capability to provide world- class MRO services and further contribute to the “Make in India” initiative. We thank Boeing for the opportunity given and look forward to working together for future initiatives.”

“Our cooperation with GMR Aero Technic not only a testimony of the maturation of Indian MROs in the country to support the vision of Aatmanirbhar Bharat, but also supports the anticipated growth of the cargo sector in the region,” said Salil Gupte, president, Boeing India.

Key features of GAT – GMR Aero Technic has completed 580+ major checks till date and other ad-hoc maintenance work. The clientele of GMR Aero Technic includes all domestic airlines and 19 International airlines. It provides line maintenance services at 13 airports to 20 plus International customers. GAT remains focused to increase its international footprint.”
From here
Some major non-OEMs in the P2F space include Aeronavali (MD-11, DC-10 for Boeing), IAI (BDSF-747-400, 767-200/-300, 737- 300/-400), Pemco (737-300/-400, 757-200), Precision (PCP-757), ST Aero (DC- 10, MD-11, 757, 767, for Boeing), TAECO (747-400 for Boeing, 737-300/-400 for Pemco), and PACAVI (A320/A321)
The MRO market is good, and will grow even further.
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https://twitter.com/USAndIndia/status/1 ... 78818?s=20

US ambassador platforms visceral Hindu hater Sayema
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IndraD wrote:https://twitter.com/USAndIndia/status/1 ... 78818?s=20

US ambassador platforms visceral Hindu hater Sayema
And, so it begins.....
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Eric Garcetti, US Amb designate to India at the Senate Foreign Relations Committee during his confirmation hearing says he would bring up human rights & discrimination via the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) as a “core” piece of his engagement rather than as an obligation.

Garcetti has further stated, “There are groups that are actively fighting for the human rights of people on the ground in India that will get direct engagement from me”. Question is, do we need him in the country?


@KanwalSibal·10 Mar

Strange for incoming Amb to announce in advance he sees his core job will be to interfere in India’s internal affairs, core engagement will be to raise HR issues thru CAA& work actively with HR activists.

Is he coming to wreck ties or strengthen them?

Unprecedented.



WA
A Letter of Credence is sent before an Ambassador arrives which the host country can refuse.

If Eric Garcetti’s intentions are already known, perhaps India should exercise that option.
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Usually the govts sound out the host govt on appointment of ambassador. Indian govt knew for last couple of years about Garett and his shennanigans. Why didn't they inform US about the suitability of that person to take forward India-US ties?
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putnanja wrote:Usually the govts sound out the host govt on appointment of ambassador. Indian govt knew for last couple of years about Garett and his shennanigans. Why didn't they inform US about the suitability of that person to take forward India-US ties?
he seems to have revealed his true colors rather late in the day.

do we really need such racist scum pontificating on India
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chetak wrote:
putnanja wrote:Usually the govts sound out the host govt on appointment of ambassador. Indian govt knew for last couple of years about Garett and his shennanigans. Why didn't they inform US about the suitability of that person to take forward India-US ties?
he seems to have revealed his true colors rather late in the day.

do we really need such racist scum pontificating on India
No, he was known to be a bleeding heart liberal annd had made comments on CAA and other issues earlier. In fact, he was discussed here in the forum at least 2 years back and was dissed here. It shouldn't be a surprise to Indian govt if ordinary folks could have guessed this when his name was first mentioned.
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WRT, the new US ambassador to India.

I wish to draw your attention to the comments from the Indian external affairs minister. About the election campaign for 2024 having started in London and Washington.

Not like the government of India doesn't understand this.
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I think India can decline to accept an ambassador.

Furthermore, I think nations do run potential candidates by the nation the amby is being sent to, before they are nominated.

Not easy being a pole. An aspiring one that too.
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well then with Biden throwing his "weight" behind Garcetti , his agenda is also now in the open. , wonder whats brewing inside GOI , i dont think there is any inclination there to tolerate non sense from anyone. So is the open game plan to bring the battle to inside India since they couldnt do it outside ?!... Kejri , mamta ityadi must be waiting impatiently not to mention the pappu.

Why doesnt India do the right thing straightaway and decline his appt ., can free up a lot of bandwidth in the crucial election time

India is better off without a US ambassador than with someone like him., let biden send him to uganda
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putnanja wrote:
chetak wrote:
he seems to have revealed his true colors rather late in the day.

do we really need such racist scum pontificating on India
No, he was known to be a bleeding heart liberal annd had made comments on CAA and other issues earlier. In fact, he was discussed here in the forum at least 2 years back and was dissed here. It shouldn't be a surprise to Indian govt if ordinary folks could have guessed this when his name was first mentioned.
putnanja ji,

seem to have missed those little tit bits.

Thanks for the heads up.
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FYI.

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee voted 13 for and 8 against, with two Republicans voting in favor of the nomination, along with 11 democrats.

Senator Rubio has stated that he will place a hold - but, I do not know if the hold was pre or post Committee vote. Next stop: the full Senate, where it could still fail.
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Why Biden wants this guy so badly?
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vijayk wrote:Why Biden wants this guy so badly?

vijayk ji,


why do the guys behind biden want this guy so badly would be the right kweschun

I see fireworks and bad blood ahead.

this local exposure limited, NGO compromised controversial hack, and agenda pushing woke, accused of lying, has nil diplomatic experience and even less geo political & geo economic exposure.
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chetak wrote:
vijayk wrote:Why Biden wants this guy so badly?
why do the guys behind biden want this guy so badly would be the right kweschun

I see fireworks and bad blood ahead.

this local exposure limited, NGO compromised controversial hack, and agenda pushing woke, accused of lying, has nil diplomatic experience and even less geo political & geo economic exposure.

in other words he is not a diplomat in any sense to promote bilateral ties but a guy to push through a very specific agenda. Regime Change.


Timing. Background. Loyalties.
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Time to do a toolkit on Garcetti and give woke leftys a taste of their own medicine.
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Apparently the NY Dem Senator Gillibrand flipped her vote from no to yes. And, two Rep senators voted in favor.

Garceitti's parents spent $90,000 last year on a lobbying firm.

Meanwhile,

Ex-Garcetti aide says former LA mayor ‘unfit to become an ambassador’
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^ seems like Bidet-wa wants to provide modi with another pappu . Everytime this dude opens his mouth Modi will get another 100k votes . He started campaigning for modi even before landing in India .
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Garcetti will have swimming time in liquid oxygen if and when he reaches India. Bhakts use jeene nahin dengey, JS usey marne nahin dega !
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https://twitter.com/BrendanCarrFCC/stat ... 6894770178
Governments across the globe are addressing TikTok’s serious security threats.

I welcomed the invitation by the Australian Senate to offer testimony on why allied nations should follow India’s lead and ban the app.

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments ... 1628A1.pdf

Biden is not even listening to his own FCC head

Here is how China controls the narrative

https://twitter.com/zankrut/status/1261545706533289984
E-mail done by TikTok to their India employees for removing anything which is against Chinese Government, especially Tibet and Dalai Lama!

Is this your way China to curb the Freedom of Speech across the globe?
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https://twitter.com/UshaNirmala/status/ ... 9412853761
Garcetti crapping all over India on CAA and how it is against Muslim population of India
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Garcetti's woke crap is not an issue but his Chinese connections are very dangerous

https://dailycaller.com/2023/03/13/eric ... coea-cofa/
‘Huge Red Flag’: Inside Biden Nominee Eric Garcetti’s Ties To Members Of Alleged Chinese Intel Front Groups

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Then-Mayor Garcetti met and headlined events with members of multiple alleged front groups serving the United Front Work Department (UFWD), a CCP agency which “coordinates and conducts influence operations,” according to a report from the National Counterintelligence and Security Center (NCSC). Furthermore, over the years, the Mayor’s Fund for Los Angeles, which Garcetti created in 2014, received multiple donations from the foundation of business magnate Walter Wang and East West Bank, where Dominic Ng serves as president and CEO.
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Please listen to Dr S Jaishankar's interview on the ANI podcast. In the second half, he clearly calls out how external actors try to influence domestic politics and how it's a war of narratives that never stops. Hence the frequent re-iteration of the statement "election season has started in London and New York". He's clearly aware of these shenanigans, and so Garcetti won't have a free run in Delhi as some of us fear. Assuming he even arrives here at some point. Uska picture abhi baaki hai, let's see.

My reading of why India hasn't declined to host Garcetti (so far, at least) is that this narrative war will go on regardless (BCC documentary, or the Adani hit job happened without this guy being present), so his presence in Delhi is not going make it that much difference. Secondly, given his (and the govt's) penchance for calling out BS, Garcetti doing some nonsense here could blowback on the US govt itself and cause a credibility issue. Easier to undermine that credibility when someone visible is present to take the hit, than now, when the actors with soriasis operate in the shadows due to which not everyone is convinced. JMT and all that.
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Best to turn Garcetti into a media circus like our self proclaimed leader of opposition or Trudeau. Lucky for Trudeau, he was here for only a week. Garcetti probably won't be as lucky.
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Garcetti: CAA is unfair to muslims refugees from Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh.
India: So why don't you take them to Amrika?
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Arshyam ji,

I agree. Garcetti is a worthless footnote in never never land, that does not even exist.

Watch him carefully and one will find his broken noise making machine is from Blinken's garage. Same old stuff that Blinken complained about after the last 2+2 meet between India and the US in DC.

Have IN host INDOPACCOM, give the USN Admiral a full reception, red carpet, state dinner with Indian amby to US, and all, and don't invite Garcetti.

I think we should name him Dalip Singh the 2nd, after the author of the sanctions on Russia.
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^^^^
Garcetti should have 1 meeting every day (arranged by MEA) with victims of Pakistan sponsored terrorism, dating back to the genocide in 1971 in erstwhile E Pakistan, which his government did nothing to stop. He should be asked what his government has done to stop terrorism against India and her citizens.
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