India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

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India should help create a "Caste equality Labs" in US with a $100 million grant and have them fight for caste based reservations in all private, government & military jobs. Make a big show out of it, bring it up in G20 meet and at UN. Sanction and fine all tech organizations $20 million each that doesn't have atleast 50% caste reservation (BBC should have 60%). Call their CEO "hindu nationalists" if they don't agree & ban their Indian operations for having ties to RSS.

That will do it.
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Indian political leadership must have the information about various operations that U.S conducted. Also they must use it.
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US President Biden nominates Indian American Shri Ajay Banga (Padma Sri 2018 - Ex CEO MasterCard) to lead the World Bank. (His father, Harbhajan Singh Banga is a retired lieutenant-general who served in the Indian Army.)
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Interesting move!
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Ajay Banga is a card-carrying member of the Trilateral Commission (IIRC he is a current member).

A threat to Global South. And, by extension, since India has taken up the banner of the Global South (via G-20), a threat to India too.

I see this as a very well-camouflaged move - even derailing Indian ambitions to become a global pole.

Mr. Banga has the same goal as Klaus Schwab of Davos - to centralize data across the globe so that a central authority can manage growth. As the CEO of MasterCard Mr. Banga tried extremely hard to get hold of data on Indians.
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NRao wrote:Ajay Banga is a card-carrying member of the Trilateral Commission (IIRC he is a current member).

A threat to Global South. And, by extension, since India has taken up the banner of the Global South (via G-20), a threat to India too.

I see this as a very well-camouflaged move - even derailing Indian ambitions to become a global pole.

Mr. Banga has the same goal as Klaus Schwab of Davos - to centralize data across the globe so that a central authority can manage growth. As the CEO of MasterCard Mr. Banga tried extremely hard to get hold of data on Indians.
Biden is most dangerous imperialist President ... the worst of the worst.
But they smartly co-opted the radical left to shut them up and throw crumbs
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Just as a data-point. This does NOT capture the entire picture of what goes on behind the scenes.

August 2021

How US payments groups ended up on the wrong side of India’s plans
In mid-2018, Mastercard’s then-chief executive Ajay Banga enthusiastically defended Indian prime minister Narendra Modi’s push to promote electronic payments in the country’s cash-dominated economy.

Modi “gets it”, he told an audience in New York, highlighting the role of cash in everything from terrorism funding to trade in illegal drugs.

Three years later, his company has found itself on the wrong side of India’s plans for the sector.

The Reserve Bank of India last month barred Mastercard from adding customers, saying it had failed to comply with regulations — implemented shortly after Banga praised Modi’s approach — that forbid financial groups from storing data overseas.

...............
Just a month or two ago Klaus Schwab of the World Economic Forum (aka Davos) ALSO praised Modi - for THE very same reason.

Something is cooking
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Meanwhile, a 2017 announcement FROM MasterCard ITSELF (I was not aware of this till now):

Mastercard and George Soros to Explore Private Sector Solutions to Societal Challenges

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DAVOS – January 19, 2017 – Mastercard and George Soros announced plans to explore creating a social enterprise to apply commercial strategies to deliver a positive impact on society. Called Humanity Ventures, the enterprise could catalyze and accelerate economic and social development for vulnerable communities around the world, especially refugees and migrants.
Yes. Soros is the new prophet. And, Banga his apostle.

Now, please someone other than a person named Biden, tell me that the claim (in red) does not conflict with Modi's goals and therefore opposes Modi.
Pervasive joblessness, lack of access to healthcare, inadequate education, and financial exclusion afflict people in both developed and emerging economies. Despite billions of dollars of humanitarian and development assistance every year, millions of people remain marginalized. Mastercard and George Soros believe that private sector capabilities coupled with strategic, long-term investments can spur development and transform life for the underserved.

Last September, George Soros announced that he is earmarking up to $500 million for private investments that will improve capacity to address the challenges that migrants, including refugees, and their host communities face around the world. Humanity Ventures would be part of that initiative.

Mastercard delivers innovative payments, data, and identity solutions which empower the underserved all over the world. These tools improve the lives of refugees and migrants by forging better economic and social ties with local populations.

Operating as a standalone entity, Humanity Ventures would initially combine solutions designed to expand access to healthcare and education, foster local economic development and entrepreneurship, and enhance the delivery of aid. One such solution is the Mastercard Aid Network, an award winning digital voucher platform designed in partnership with humanitarian organizations.

With the creation of Humanity Ventures, Soros could invest up to $50 million to make these solutions even more scalable and sustainable. The social enterprise could also serve as an incubator and accelerator for smaller projects committed to mitigating the migration crisis.

Designed to combine the need for business returns with social impact, Humanity Ventures would also act as a new model for how civil society, governments, and the private sector improve quality of life and drive economic growth.

“Over several years, we’ve applied our thinking and technology to help hundreds of millions connect to the formal economy and to help empower safer and more efficient aid distribution,” said Ajay Banga, president and CEO of Mastercard. “We can have transformational impact by scaling our business-driven organization to leverage innovation, on-the-ground experience and long-term capital investments.”

“Migrants are often forced into lives of despair in their host communities because they cannot gain access to financial, healthcare and government services. Our potential investment in this social enterprise, coupled with Mastercard’s ability to create products that serve vulnerable communities, can show how private capital can play a constructive role in solving social problems,” said George Soros. “Humanity Ventures is intended to be profitable so as to stimulate involvement from other businesspeople. We also hope to establish standards of practice to ensure that investments are not exploitative of the vulnerable communities we intend to serve.”
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India is the only big economy that can sustain being loosely coupled with the rest of the world but tightly integrated inside. Among our few natural weaknesses is Oil supply, India's strong reaction to the west's attempt to rock its energy supplies would have been be obvious to anyone who cared to think for a sec. Except for Oil, we can be quite self sufficient in a lot of sectors to support our own consumption with our own resources, produce and people, and have enough public and private gold holdings to tide over a few years.

But even with Oil, US and Europe cannot sustain for long since their society's consumption pattern and demographics will make them collapse fairly quickly if their imports were curtailed. At some point sanctions on Russia, Iran etc will start impacting EU first and they already have, and US next. Because the former cannot print its way out of jail like the latter, in this Global(ised) Monopoly neocon game. The game US is playing is military leverage to push others into bankruptcy before suffering too much itself.

India has always been a slippery eel for the US. Ignored for long as a bottom feeder but suddenly too big to ignore, and old jungle stories of how its ancestors fed themselves gluttonously on this eel suddenly come back. How to catch or at least contain the eel that is fast turning into a teethy Bharratcuda ?

Throw lures of familiar types hoping something will get India to bite. Shri Ajay Banga, due to his commendable achievements or despite them, is the latest lure !
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“Migrants are often forced into lives of despair in their host communities because they cannot gain access to financial, healthcare and government services. Our potential investment in this social enterprise, coupled with Mastercard’s ability to create products that serve vulnerable communities, can show how private capital can play a constructive role in solving social problems,” said George Soros. “Humanity Ventures is intended to be profitable so as to stimulate involvement from other businesspeople. We also hope to establish standards of practice to ensure that investments are not exploitative of the vulnerable communities we intend to serve.”
:rotfl: Havent come across better mypirckoil masquerading as snake oil than this one ! Excellent find this article. Must be trended big time.
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US secretary of State Blinken to travel to India to take part in the G20 Foreign Ministers meet.
(The official statements are note worthy)
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Mastercard is a threat to UPI.
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vimal wrote:Mastercard is a threat to UPI.
It's the other way around.
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^ Correct

Rupay was/is the threat to Mastercard/Visa

UPI has left all of them behind

Will RBIs decision to allow linking Rupay credit cards with UPI kill Visa and Mastercard?
UPI literally have revolutionized the way Indians make payments, be it at your kirana shop or a high end restaurant you can make payments in just a click.

Now, before UPI we had debit cards and credit cards, which have become quite old school after UPI came into picture, for most of us they are lying somewhere in our drawers. But you see credit cards have one superpower that cannot be replaced by UPI, it is leverage! You can buy an I phone worth one lakh even when you don’t have the money.

f you ask, why has RBI done this, the first and the obvious reason is to boost the number of UPI payments and second reason could be to promote your own Rupay cards, well our PM doesn’t really like foreign companies, he believes in atma nirbharta a lot, and one reason for this move of RBI is definitely to boost the penetration of Rupay cards.

A fun fact for you, the market share of Rupay in the debit card segment was just 15% in 2017 which rose to 60% in 2021, well that huge jump, was primarily because the government is proactively pushing Rupay cards.

Now, the share of Rupay has grown in the debit card segment, while it still lags behind its global counterparts in the credit card space. As per sources, currently, RuPay only has a 20 percent share of India’s credit card market which is led by Visa, followed by MasterCard.

Also, it is behind Visa and Mastercard when it comes to value and volume of transactions, and that is why RBIs plan is a gamechanger for Rupay.
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Exactly.

We can no longer be afraid of the big bad world out there. We have to face it directly. We don't need to be confrontational or sneaky like Xi, just matter of fact. Our reality is often different from their reality. When the realities match, let us work together (solar/wind for instance). When it comes to UPI our reality is way ahead of theirs. As long as government continues to pay for the servers (which it should because it saves a lot of wastage in currency notes & security, and brings transactions into the formal economy) UPI is unbeatable.
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Looks like most Indians at top of the western food chain somehow are connected with Sorrows Dracula. Just like that Jonathan Harkar fellow not sure what they sacrificed to reach that Dracula castle. I for one don’t find them all that smart or innovative specially coming from a time when India wasn’t itself known for technology. What’s his ploy give everyone free credit cards, siphon public money , track them and complain upi is discriminatory and Draculacard is ESG…
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The Soros-MasterCard link via Banga offers a lot of food for thought. Potential to combine harvesting of Indian rupees, data, credit and public social expenditure, add a layer of ESG (now with the US caste laws thrown in) for moral authority, weaponize the whole thing, and you have East India Company, 21st century edition.

How can India fight this? Assuming that it recognizes what is going on?

For instance, why not turn the tables and use UPI as a platform to invest in essential services delivery to marginalized communities in large US cities but also in neglected rural areas like East Palestine? Services like remote healthcare, education, spiritual counseling for drug addiction etc. for example.
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The UPI/MC/Visa/Amex is NOT about who has more throughput of funds (USD, Euro, Rupee, etc). It is solely about how **each individual** is participating: economically, socially, politically, .......

Each cardholder's spending data provides these companies with this picture - WHICH THEY THEN SIT AND MANIPULATE.

That is what Mr. Ajay Banga was after in India. By keeping Indian data in India (which every nation demands) his company had to follow the rules of India and MC could not **mine the data**. Thus Banga could not either sell that data (to say the Congress Party in India - only as an example) or directly manipulate Indian political outcomes.

Soros wants to make money. Clintons want to convert every Indian into a Christian (whatever sect she belongs to). Biden wants millions. Nuland wants India to be a supplier nation. Klaus Schwab of the World Economic Forum wants to reduce the global population to around 2 billion people (so does Bill Gates). Whatever. They ALL need such data to achieve their diverse goals. The means are the same for them. Data mining.
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KLNMurthy wrote: ..................

For instance, why not turn the tables and use UPI as a platform to invest in essential services delivery to marginalized communities in large US cities but also in neglected rural areas like East Palestine? Services like remote healthcare, education, spiritual counseling for drug addiction etc. for example.
They (Soros, et al) would LOVE it.

As long as they own/control the data.

And, the day they do, they will call Modi and tell him he has a million health issues and therefore unfit to be the Indian PM. They will produce the data to support their case too.




Please follow what the WHO wants. WHO wants a single point of administration for controlling every nation's treasury IF and WHEN the next pandemic is declared.


So, as an example, if India were to declare an emergency due to a pandemic, the WHO would take over where, when, and how India would spend funds on the pandemic-related events within India. The GoI would have no say.

Similarly, the WEF wants control over populations.

Soros wants control over markets.
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What about PRs? That is the question. One can easily get rid of all the visa holders - just like that.
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What exactly are we celebrating? That 200k Indian students, workers, professionals enriching America and getting exposed to woke anti India brainwashing ? :(
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:rotfl: Tu hi dard, tu hi dawa, hawa hawa hawa hawa
More indentured laborers who pay 100% taxes but get 0% representation or public benefits.
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The nomination of Eric Garcetti to serve as the United States ambassador to India has been approved by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
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Keeping count,
1. Failed attempt by Bismillah Broadcasting Corp. against PM Modi.
2. Failed attempt against the Adani group
3. Sore-ass bemoaning fall of democracy in India
4. SC wanting a seat to nominate EC
5. Raw-fool Gandhi calling for foreign interference in India to downright false pretenses
6. Sudden confirmation of Eric Garcetti?
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Amber G. wrote:The nomination of Eric Garcetti to serve as the United States ambassador to India has been approved by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/03/08/poli ... index.html

:rotfl: :rotfl:

Naomi Seligman, a former Garcetti aide who's accused the former Los Angeles mayor of ignoring credible sexual assault accusations during his time in office, blasted Wednesday's vote.

"Today's vote, on International Women's Day no less, shows a real disconnect between the rhetoric we hear from elected leaders who claim to support victims of workplace sexual harassment and the pass they give to party loyalists in the next breath. It's disheartening to say the least," Seligman said in a statement, calling the former mayor "unfit to represent our country."
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Look who is presiding over
Great pleasure to meet US Secretary of Commerce @SecRaimondo this evening.
Conversation covered strategic trade, resilient and reliable supply chains and trust and transparency in the digital domain.
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krithivas wrote:Keeping count,
1. Failed attempt by Bismillah Broadcasting Corp. against PM Modi.
2. Failed attempt against the Adani group
3. Sore-ass bemoaning fall of democracy in India
4. SC wanting a seat to nominate EC
5. Raw-fool Gandhi calling for foreign interference in India to downright false pretenses
6. Sudden confirmation of Eric Garcetti?
They need a "civil society" acceptable senior US official with a direct line to foggy bottom and also in sampark with the "shakers and movers" in the US

This guy, with diplomatic immunity, is another toolkit who is cleared to operate from within India and so he will be quite dangerous, come election time.

60 years after JFK, biden is the second catholic president in the WH which automatically means that the eyetalian padres from the vatican already have a seat at the high table, and India is certainly on the menu...
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>>>Great pleasure to meet US Secretary of Commerce @SecRaimondo this evening.
Conversation covered strategic trade, resilient and reliable supply chains and trust and transparency in the digital domain. <<<<

( This viral <clip> is also interesting

India-US signing MoU:
"that calls for across-the-board coordination on efforts to spur semiconductor production. It will include joint efforts to assess market vulnerabilities, encourage private investment, and ensure government subsidies aren’t redundant."
The Commerce Department’s Bureau of Industry and Security will lead a separate initiative, dubbed the India-U.S. Strategic Trade Dialogue, with India’s foreign ministry focused on 'aligning our export controls and sharing information with one another'"
(I have known Sec Raimondo for quite some time (fairly popular Governor of RI - Good education, centerist) and I think she will be effective and helpful in the role)
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Financial Times (direct link is behind paywall)
http://archive.today/R9T77

China is right about US containment
But encircling Beijing is not a viable long-term strategy
Here is a thought experiment. If Taiwan did not exist, would the US and China still be at loggerheads? My hunch is yes. Antagonism between top dogs and rising powers is part of the human story.
The follow-up is whether such tensions would persist if China were a democracy rather than a one-party state. That is harder to say but it is not obvious that an elected Chinese government would feel any less resentful of the US-led global order. It is also hard to imagine the circumstances in which America would willingly share the limelight.
Many on BRF have said the same, that eventually India will be in US crosshairs. Being a democracy alone does not safeguard us.
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What was implicit and did not need to be expressed in the post soviet era - that US manifest destiny cannot be even remotely challenged - is being explicited now.

Europe has been defanged and vassalised, Russia is being attacked, China is being antagonised, India is being sized up as a potential partner and future rival.

As long as we are clear what kind of dance we are getting into, we can tango with the US like Mohini ;)

The world never was, is or will be a benign place. We don't need to seek acceptance, but we will exact respect. I think the people who matter in the US recognise and understand this. Doesn't mean they will do us favours, but there is no perception of threat from India. At least not for the next decade or two.
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India - US issue joint statement: After Trade Minister Goyal & US commerce secretary Gina Raimondo Dialog:
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Meanwhile some see gloomy future in everything... some are striking deals...:
Lockheed Martin and Tata Group Sign Memorandum of Understanding For Fighter Wing Production in India.
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Avid wrote:Financial Times (direct link is behind paywall)
http://archive.today/R9T77

China is right about US containment
But encircling Beijing is not a viable long-term strategy
Here is a thought experiment. If Taiwan did not exist, would the US and China still be at loggerheads? My hunch is yes. Antagonism between top dogs and rising powers is part of the human story.
The follow-up is whether such tensions would persist if China were a democracy rather than a one-party state. That is harder to say but it is not obvious that an elected Chinese government would feel any less resentful of the US-led global order. It is also hard to imagine the circumstances in which America would willingly share the limelight.
Many on BRF have said the same, that eventually India will be in US crosshairs. Being a democracy alone does not safeguard us.
I think we should get past this mindset. We should think eventually the US will be in our crosshairs and being a super dooper power does not safeguard them.
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US awaam is like Paki awaam full of self delusion of past grandeur and when the times were good.
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Arun Pudur @arunpudur

Notorious Short Seller @BillAckman who was screaming @gautam_adani is a fraud, now wants Bailout for Silicon Valley Bank
These Libtards commit fraud and hide behind bailouts while targeting legitimate companies which provide employment based on fake hit job reports
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