India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 14 Feb 2023 03:32

vijayk wrote:

https://twitter.com/_Paul_Sanderson/sta ... 3743544320
Tulsi on Hillary's India trip

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 14 Feb 2023 04:46

^^^^ That graphic looks fake, I doubt WSJ would refer to "England" as a nationality.

A Deshmukh · Post by **A Deshmukh** » 14 Feb 2023 10:38

Hillary Clinton garlanded with a mirchi & lemon garland....that's strange.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 14 Feb 2023 11:17

Drishti

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 14 Feb 2023 12:17

A Deshmukh wrote:Hillary Clinton garlanded with a mirchi & lemon garland....that's strange.

keep evil spirits away ?? Lol

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 14 Feb 2023 20:46

Yindians are taking over the world - First, Downing Street and next White house?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/14/us/p ... trump.html

Avid · Post by **Avid** » 14 Feb 2023 20:54

krithivas wrote:Yindians are taking over the world - First, Downing Street and next White house?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/14/us/p ... trump.html

These are coconuts, not cheeku or dates

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 15 Feb 2023 00:02

Big Breaking News US President Joe Biden hails Air India-Boeing deal

'It's a historic agreement',

(Both UK PM and USA President are extremely happy.. it seems)
Air India-Boeing deal: PM Modi talks to US president Joe Biden, hails deepening ties

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 15 Feb 2023 01:18

They can sell it as some great achievement, creates lots of high paying jobs yadda yadda to their people even though their contribution is zero. That's why.

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 15 Feb 2023 01:42

That's true...but the statement from Bhaidenwa is very generic. Anytime a company gets such a large contract, you can always argue that it will positively impact about a million people.

Let's see about the assembly lines being set up in India.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 15 Feb 2023 01:45

US President Joe Biden terms Air India's purchase of 200 Boeing Aircrafts "historic"; says, 'announcement also reflects the strength of the U.S.-India economic partnership'.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 15 Feb 2023 04:48

This is a important major news - of interest to those who are residing in US but are waiting for permanent resident Visa and have children who grew up in US but will age out of their legal status.

USCIS has updated how they calculate the age of child beneficiaries for immigrant visas under the Child Status Protection Act. This will prevent some child beneficiaries from aging out of child status & allow them to adjust status with their parents. (Please check out USCIS site for more info - today's news release).

From what I read - this action may protect some of Documented Dreamers who call the United States home. It is not enough but its a step in right direction and hopefully bipartisan act passes soon to provide a pathway to citizenship for documented dreamers. (Most of these documented dreamers are Indians)

For those, who are US Citizens, I will ask them to influence their Congressmen so that this act is passed in not too distance future.

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 15 Feb 2023 05:11

^^ welcome step, some of my friends are in this boat. We led a delegation and asked democrats for the legal children to be included in dreamers as some of them have lived in us for 10 + yrs but the democrats did not even consider it. Looks like a welcome change

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 15 Feb 2023 07:11

A Deshmukh wrote:Hillary Clinton garlanded with a mirchi & lemon garland....that's strange.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 15 Feb 2023 08:15

From White House Press Conf:

Two leaders reaffirmed the strength of the U.S.-India relationship and committed to continue working together and in groups like the Quad: White House on Prez Biden- PM Modi talks

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 16 Feb 2023 00:59

Mod-Note: Keep this thread clear of posts which have nothing to do with India-US relations like the Ohio train derailment. If you wish to discuss it there is the Understanding the US thread: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7615&start=6600

I am going to move the posts there.

Mollick.R · Post by **Mollick.R** » 17 Feb 2023 11:18

Bipartisan resolution introduced in US Senate recognising Arunachal Pradesh as integral part of India

PTI Last Updated: Feb 17, 2023, 10:23 AM IST

A bipartisan resolution was introduced in the US Senate on Thursday to recognise Arunachal Pradesh as an integral part of India, pushing back against Beijing's military aggression to change the status quo along the Line of Actual Control. The resolution condemns additional Chinese provocations, including China's use of military force to change the status quo along the Line of Actual Control, construction of villages in contested areas, publication of maps with Mandarin-language names for cities and features in the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh, and expansion of Beijing's territorial claims in Bhutan.

The resolution says that China claims Arunachal Pradesh as its own territory, which it calls "South Tibet'', and has invoked these claims as part of its increasingly aggressive and expansionist policies.

"The United States recognises the state of Arunachal Pradesh not as a disputed territory but as an integral part of the Republic of India, and this recognition is not qualified in any way," says the bipartisan resolution introduced by Senator Jeff Merkley, a Democrat, and Bill Hagerty, a Republican.

Senator John Cornyn, Co-Chair of the India Caucus, has co-sponsored the resolution.

Pushing back against Chinese claims that Arunachal Pradesh is its territory, which is part of Beijing's increasingly aggressive and expansionist policies, the Senate resolution reaffirms that the US recognises the McMahon Line as the international boundary between China and the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh.

Read full article from here...
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 999743.cms

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 17 Feb 2023 11:24

^^^^^

Wonder if the Air India buys were part of this.

((Based on the numbers, AI will get 50% discount from the list price))

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 17 Feb 2023 13:24

^^^

No.

You don't really have options beyond the Boeing and Airbus duopoly.

If you want options. You have to create the planes yourself.

But what disappointed me the most is the fact that even though tripple digit orders have been placed for certain aircraft types.

The manufacturing lines have not been negotiated for those aircraft in India.

I still remember that the PRC had gotten a line to manufacture just 80 Douglas narrow body aircraft in the mid 90s. With final assembly of only 35 aircrafts.

https://www.yesterdaysairlines.com/airl ... 2C%201987.

But the government of India has not negotiated for it. Even though they made a joint statement with both Biden and Macron.

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 17 Feb 2023 13:31

Indeed , one hoped that at least one would come up with an assembly line at least, but also could mean that Indian aerospace is not mature enough to provide enough components or infrastructure not ready to move around the structures involved..maybe someone can explain. There must be a reason

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 17 Feb 2023 13:46

When the world is going through a change in poles - putting it extremely mildly - what is the worth of a line building a handful of civilian aircraft in India? I would rather be part of the narrative to challenge the lizard. Those lines can be dealt with after the dust settles.

On a more serious note, recall Dalip Singh, the architect of the sanctions against Russia, who said a few things (while in India) that cost him his job. And, Nuland, Blinken, and even Biden ("Shaky" India). It hardly costs India anything to get Arunachal Pradesh to be part of India. I would imagine it is a great trade for some 200 planes from Boeing.

Xi ji, app ki chal.

It is high time we started playing the great game. What is this 2 runs an over style of thinking? Treat India like the pole she is. And, behave like poles.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 17 Feb 2023 13:47

drnayar wrote:Indeed , one hoped that at least one would come up with an assembly line at least, but also could mean that Indian aerospace is not mature enough to provide enough components or infrastructure not ready to move around the structures involved..maybe someone can explain. There must be a reason

Do you really want to trade Arunachal Pradesh for a silly line of Boeing planes? Seriously? Is AP worth only $17 billion to you?

(I am not saying that is the deal that the Goi made.)

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 17 Feb 2023 14:36

Uh oh... wait a second... since when did India need some other country's thappa to recognise where its borders are and that Aurnachal Pradesh is Indian territory ? We were fine all these years without US Congress ringing our bell no? Please (re)read Dr JS' India Way as punishment

I dont think this has anything to do directly with the Boeing order. Washington has an irrepressible itch to needle China, and an ever increasing need to draw India closer. If India is asked about this, we should simply pout like PVNR and say "we welcome America's re-affirmation of an established fact "

onree...

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 17 Feb 2023 15:43

NRao wrote:
drnayar wrote:Indeed , one hoped that at least one would come up with an assembly line at least, but also could mean that Indian aerospace is not mature enough to provide enough components or infrastructure not ready to move around the structures involved..maybe someone can explain. There must be a reason
Do you really want to trade Arunachal Pradesh for a silly line of Boeing planes? Seriously? Is AP worth only $17 billion to you?

(I am not saying that is the deal that the Goi made.)

Does India need an american stamp to make sure AP stays in India ?!, i was commenting on the practicalities of the decision

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 18 Feb 2023 07:39

Meanwhile: At production line of Boeing-Apache in Phoenix..With fuselage and other components manufactured by over 300 companies including SMEs in India, Apache demonstrates strengths of US/India partnership in resilient supply chains..

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 21 Feb 2023 00:40

Seattle considers historic law barring caste discrimination

One of Kshama Sawant’s earliest memories of the caste system was hearing her grandfather — a man she “otherwise loved very much” — utter a slur to summon their lower-caste maid.

The Seattle City Council member, raised in an upper-caste Hindu Brahmin household in India, was 6 when she asked her grandfather why he used that derogatory word when he knew the girl’s name. He responded that his granddaughter “talked too much.”

Now 50, and an elected official in a city far from India, Sawant has proposed an ordinance to add caste to Seattle’s anti-discrimination laws. If her fellow council members approve it Tuesday, Seattle will become the first city in the United States to specifically outlaw caste discrimination.
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KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 21 Feb 2023 01:08

Pratyush wrote:^^^

I still remember that the PRC had gotten a line to manufacture just 80 Douglas narrow body aircraft in the mid 90s. With final assembly of only 35 aircrafts.

https://www.yesterdaysairlines.com/airl ... 2C%201987.

But the government of India has not negotiated for it. Even though they made a joint statement with both Biden and Macron.

The McDonnell-Douglas foray into PRC was a total disaster for a company already in trouble, including being indicted by the US government on technology sale/transfer to China irregularities. It got merged into Boeing.

Today Boeing is looking precariously to be in a similar position as Douglas. In addition to all the other considerations (jobs etc), there would likely not be much appetite to transfer a line for this particular order. Maybe in the future if still needed.

I do think India has capability to manufacture the airframes, electronics, etc in a shorter time scale. It's possible to take a similar route that PRC is now taking.

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 22 Feb 2023 17:25

The ordinance in Seattle has passed.

It seems Seattle is especially woke in such matters … there is another lady out of Seattle that puts out such nonsense as well.

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 22 Feb 2023 18:54

^^Wokeism = +1, Pragmatism = -100...There is this lady of Indian origin, who runs Equity Labs. According to Rajiv Malhotra, Equity Labs charges $75,000/hr to provide caste baste education & awareness among US corporate/IT companies...due to fear of reprisal & repercussions, most HR department strongly suggest these companies to indulge the above training...the same lady had accompanied Jack Dorsey during his 2019 India trip and she is also a strong anti-brahmin activist. It won't be long before these companies introduce these training in their Indian branches as well in the name of compliance. Fun times ahead onlee...

ricky_v · Post by **ricky_v** » 22 Feb 2023 19:06

x-post from the global media watch thread

ricky_v wrote:could not find any more relevant thread, usually, I do not post these diamond dozen articles, I usually could care less for what these worthies have to say, but in this doggy dog world, stupidity and malice are an arms race, and these worthies might bumble into grasping the absolute without any aforethought of their actions culminating into a being of pure entropy with every successive iteration
it is archived, so click away
https://archive.is/hDOpu
Soundararajan, an artist, Dalit activist, cofounder of civil rights organization Equality Labs, and Ambedkarite Buddhist, is the author of The Trauma of Caste: A Dalit Feminist Meditation on Survivorship, Healing, and Abolition.

The numbers are truly shocking—in India, 37 percent of Dalits live below the poverty level, 54 percent of Dalit children are malnourished, and 38 percent of Dalit children eat separately from the rest of their classmates in government-run schools. More than 67 percent of Dalit women have experienced sexual violence, and Dalits make up 53 percent of India’s prison population. Soundararajan also cites these horrific numbers from the Indian National Human Rights Commission Report on the Prevention of Atrocities against Scheduled Castes: “every hour two Dalits are assaulted; every day three Dalit women are raped, two Dalits are murdered, and two Dalit homes are torched. A crime against a Dalit happens every 18 minutes.”

And current political efforts, including the Citizenship Amendment Act, are working to revoke citizenships of “caste, gender, and religious minorities.”

Dalit can be translated as “broken,” and is Soundararajan’s preferred term.

Soundararajan’s mother—whose first reaction to Soundararajan’s question about their caste was “caste is a terrible lie”—kept her Christian altar in a closet, as she was accustomed to hiding her faith in India, where most Christians are Dalits.

I also felt angry that current Hindu nationalist efforts to eliminate those from caste-oppressed backgrounds aren’t a cause we hear very much about.
dont know what eliminate means here

Soundararajan is a key player in the often contentious movement in the US to include caste as a protected category on college campuses and in workplaces. In December 2022, Brown University became the first Ivy League institution to officially ban caste discrimination. In April 2022, Soundararajan was scheduled to give a talk about caste to Google News employees for Dalit History Month. The Washington Post reported that her talk was canceled after “employees began spreading disinformation, calling her ‘Hindu-phobic’ and ‘anti-Hindu,’ ” with some employees arguing on an email chain for South Asian employees that caste doesn’t exist in the US and lower-caste people lack the ability to “properly interpret Hindu scripture around caste.”

he Post also reported that Equality Labs, the organization that Soundararajan founded, started receiving invites from tech companies to speak about caste following the death of George Floyd in 2020, and that she has spoken with employees at companies that include Microsoft, Airbnb, and Netflix.

Criticism of Soundararajan isn’t limited to the Google talk, and a quick search produces opinion pieces alleging Equality Labs fabricates surveys and has funding from nefarious sources. After Soundararajan appeared on the Conspirituality podcast and discussed her discomfort with mantras used in yoga classes, she was accused of going on an “anti-Brahmin” “tirade.”

For Soundararajan, who writes that “Dalit experience was what originally illuminated suffering for the Buddha,

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 22 Feb 2023 19:32

Do ban the term Pagan as a counter. Make sure that every company is certified and trained in ending discrimination practices by those don't believe in certain practices and should stop calling them as Pagans. Also any term that calls people so be removed from all books other than that showcase crimes against the so called pagans. Also add whites to the list for they committed crimes against the community in India. Ask for reservation in govt jobs for non-whites as part of equality. With extra reservation priority for Black community and natives. Anyone abusing a nonwhite person should be made a crime like in India. Those who don't agree with the above call them racist. Help them by giving them a push where they want to go. Accelerate that fall.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 22 Feb 2023 23:38

lady behind bill introduction

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 23 Feb 2023 00:41

This needs careful reading, but perhaps now a person born outside the USA can run for President of the USA if they are a suitable caste? That would be a good outcome and serve the world well by ridding the county of the prevalent Euro-capture.

williams · Post by **williams** » 23 Feb 2023 03:53

vera_k wrote:This needs careful reading, but perhaps now a person born outside the USA can run for President of the USA if they are a suitable caste? That would be a good outcome and serve the world well by ridding the county of the prevalent Euro-capture.

US Constitution lists three qualifications for the Presidency
— the President must be at least 35 years of age,
— be a natural-born citizen,
— and must have lived in the United States for at least 14 years

So there is no question of outsiders running for it. Changing this in the current political climate is next to impossible

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 23 Feb 2023 04:12

IndraD wrote:

lady behind bill introduction

I'm happy she left India.
A dhimmi commie jholawalla she is.

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 23 Feb 2023 04:24

vimal wrote:I'm happy she left India. A dhimmi commie jholawalla she is.

Exactly. If only the likes of Yechuri, Vijayan, Kejriwal, et al could be shipped over to Seattle or some other leftist place, India would be a better place.

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 23 Feb 2023 05:21

Guys this is a mistake you are making. I used to mention this to my friends in casual chat while we were in grad school in the US. People would shrug off. My American born friends would simply laugh and yet this caste issue has caught up to them.

Mark my words with some more mirch masala this will go back to India.

You guys want to know why because people deriving pleasure in this: ISI-Islamist-EvangelicalChristian-MarxistLeftist are common between India and US.

It doesn't matter if Miss Sawant has left India there are plenty of her equals if not better versions. They will have two play grounds India and US to experiment and then apply to each other.

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 23 Feb 2023 07:29

Sumeet wrote:Guys this is a mistake you are making.

Not really. Bharat has taken massive steps over the last decades to prevent jati-based discrimination, and provided very concrete affirmative actions. There are plenty of laws and arguably decent enforcement, and at the same time malafide proposals on jati-based crimes or reservation in private sector brought by Maino et al have been shot down. Our approach works.

If some city in the US feels a need to take cognizance of "caste" specifically in a country where there is horrendous racial and economic discrimination on a massive scale, then that's their decision. If there are BIFs in USA trying to milk this, they do so at peril of being identified as communists. There are Indian-origin people and organizations in USA opposing these things, we should support them as needed.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 23 Feb 2023 07:31

^^ This playground was perfected in India first. There are plenty of Dhimmis who will watch Pathan and play caste card everywhere. What will US do? Provide reservations to backward castes? Let them first give reparations to Blacks

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 23 Feb 2023 08:21

The law will be used to go after every successful Indian or businesses which support BJP or even Republicans. If some one is fired, he will go after the company and supervisor saying he/she is discriminated because of caste. That's it. The supervisor is screwed for ever. No company will ever support/hire him