India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Neshant » 04 Jan 2019 21:55

India should have replied to Trump that :

"US knows the origins of these terrorists in Afg but chooses to do nothing about it".

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Postby kumarn » 04 Jan 2019 22:40

And wouldn't it be a day dream come true for the chinese or anyone who wants to screw us? Pakis will simply whore themselves to bleed india, economy or no economy.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby chetak » 04 Jan 2019 22:54

yensoy wrote:
chetak wrote:sanctioning India is not that easy anymore.

If there is any move by the US to hurt Indian interests on chabahar, the quad in the indo pacific will just as easily become a triad and all those alphabet soup agreements that the amerikis forced on us will remain just paper bound only.

India's non alignment days are long over. If not the US, it will be russia.


Who said anything about sanctioning India? Sanctions exist against Iran, and US can take actions as it sees fit to impose those sanctions; and these can hurt countries that do business with Iran including us. Chabahar is in Iran, the same place we import a ton of fuel from (in rupees, at low prices I may add). Banks and intermediaries (Chennai petrochemical corp for instance), their international finances, their officials can be acted against under the sanctions that already exist. US have very magnanimously :eek: given us a waiver for 6 months, and we fully expect they will continue - but this can stop.

I am only enumerating the specific threat to us from the US in the scope of Afghanistan.

Will the US be able to hurt us strategically? No, that ship has sailed and the worst is history: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/us-turned-blind-eye-to-pakistans-nuclear-programme-in-70s-after-chinas-intervention-documents/articleshow/67192594.cms.


any sanction involving chabahar and specifically impacting Indian operations will be a sanction against India.

It matters not a whit that iran is being sanctioned or sought to be sanctioned.

India's economic security re oil or operations from chabahar is beyond any ameriki interference or meddling.

We need to draw red lines.

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Postby Najunamar » 05 Jan 2019 22:21

Once we establish our capabilities (kaveri engine etc.) there may not be a need to establish red lines as such sanctions will hurt US more than India. But, we need to progress on a war footing on such tech fronts to make the pain unbearable to not just Khan but to the whole world if they dare try such shenanigans again.


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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby pankajs » 12 Jan 2019 14:07

ArjunPandit wrote:^^very similar to my thoughts. In fact a presence in afghanistan will make pakis focus on two ends. Their economy can not sustain a two front war. If not they will have to direct some more proxies back to afghanistan. Imagine the cost they have to incur on the fencing of afghan border. Now we know that fencing is just one part of it. There are patrols, electricity etc all needed for it. Can pukis afford it?

Presence is very generic and broad term. It could be described in different terms.

They way that I see it.

1. Cultural - India has a deep and long cultural presence.
2. Diplomatic - We have a decent presence.
3. Defensive police force - We have around 400 Indo-Tibetan Border Police already deployed to safeguard Indian missions, etc.
4. Covert presence - If one is to believe Bakistan, India has a sufficiently meaningful presence. Enough to raise the hackles of the Bakis.
5. Funding locals - Again if one believes Bakistan, Indian are already playing that game.
6. Small Offensive Army units for showing the Indian flag - Meaningless
7. Large offensive IA units to actively take on Taliban and other Baki proxies in Afghanistan - Logistical nightmare.

By my understanding, we are already present in Afghanistan when seen from point 1 to point 5.

Now the "two front war" scenario could mean proxy war on Af-Bak border [4. Covert + 5. Local] or deployment of large offensive units IA on the Af-Bak border. Bakistan, by its own admission, is already facing a two front war.

The current Indian posture is good enough to keep both the borders active and the activity could be notched up quite a bit with allocation of additional resources. That should not be a problem for a evolving India.


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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby chetak » 13 Jan 2019 00:44

pankajs wrote:
ArjunPandit wrote:^^very similar to my thoughts. In fact a presence in afghanistan will make pakis focus on two ends. Their economy can not sustain a two front war. If not they will have to direct some more proxies back to afghanistan. Imagine the cost they have to incur on the fencing of afghan border. Now we know that fencing is just one part of it. There are patrols, electricity etc all needed for it. Can pukis afford it?

Presence is very generic and broad term. It could be described in different terms.

They way that I see it.

1. Cultural - India has a deep and long cultural presence.
2. Diplomatic - We have a decent presence.
3. Defensive police force - We have around 400 Indo-Tibetan Border Police already deployed to safeguard Indian missions, etc.
4. Covert presence - If one is to believe Bakistan, India has a sufficiently meaningful presence. Enough to raise the hackles of the Bakis.
5. Funding locals - Again if one believes Bakistan, Indian are already playing that game.
6. Small Offensive Army units for showing the Indian flag - Meaningless
7. Large offensive IA units to actively take on Taliban and other Baki proxies in Afghanistan - Logistical nightmare.

By my understanding, we are already present in Afghanistan when seen from point 1 to point 5.

Now the "two front war" scenario could mean proxy war on Af-Bak border [4. Covert + 5. Local] or deployment of large offensive units IA on the Af-Bak border. Bakistan, by its own admission, is already facing a two front war.

The current Indian posture is good enough to keep both the borders active and the activity could be notched up quite a bit with allocation of additional resources. That should not be a problem for a evolving India.


whichever way you slice it saar, when push comes to shove, ummah is ummah.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby arun » 30 Jan 2019 20:31

Hack Thoo .......... Pretty disparaging stuff from the US regards India :x .

Excerpt on dealing with “South Asia” from the WORLDWIDE THREAT ASSESSMENT of the US INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY, January 29, 2019:

SOUTH ASIA

The challenges facing South Asian states will grow in 2019 because of Afghanistan’s presidential election in mid-July and the Taliban’s large-scale attacks, Pakistan’s recalcitrance in dealing with militant groups, and Indian elections that risk communal violence.
Afghanistan Stalemate
We assess that neither the Afghan Government nor the Taliban will be able to gain a strategic ilitary advantage in the Afghan war in the coming year if coalition support remains at current levels. Afghan forces generally have secured cities and other government strongholds, but the Taliban has increased large-scale attacks, and Afghan security suffers from a large number of forces being tied down in defensive missions, mobility shortfalls, and a lack of reliable forces to hold recaptured territory.
Pakistan Recalcitrance
Militant groups supported by Pakistan will continue to take advantage of their safe haven in Pakistan to plan and conduct attacks in India and Afghanistan, including against US interests. Islamabad’s narrow approach to counterterrorism cooperation—using some groups as policy tools and confronting only the militant groups that directly threaten Pakistan—almost certainly will frustrate US counterterrorism efforts against the Taliban.
Indian Elections and Ethnic Tensions
Parliamentary elections in India increase the possibility of communal violence if Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) stresses Hindu nationalist themes. BJP policies during Modi’s first term have deepened communal tensions in some BJP-governed states, and Hindu nationalist state leaders might view a Hindu-nationalist campaign as a signal to incite low-level violence to animate their supporters. Increasing communal clashes could alienate Indian Muslims and allow Islamist terrorist groups in India to expand their influence.
India-Pakistan Tensions
We judge that cross-border terrorism, firing across the Line of Control (LoC), divisive national elections in India, and Islamabad’s perception of its position with the United States relative to India will contribute to strained India-Pakistan relations at least through May 2019, the deadline for the Indian election, and probably beyond. Despite limited confidence-building measures—such as both countries recommitting in May 2018 to the 2003 cease-fire along the disputed Kashmir border—continued terrorist attacks and cross-border firing in Kashmir have hardened each country’s position and reduced their political will to seek rapprochement. Political maneuvering resulting from the Indian national elections probably will further constrain near-term opportunities for improving ties.
India-China Tensions
We expect relations between India and China to remain tense, despite efforts on both sides to manage tensions since the border standoff in 2017, elevating the risk of unintentional escalation. Chinese President Xi Jinping and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi held an informal summit in April 2018 to defuse tension and normalize relations, but they did not address border issues. Misperceptions of military movements or construction might result in tensions escalating into armed conflict.


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WORLDWIDE THREAT ASSESSMENT of the US INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY January 29th 2019

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Postby krishna_krishna » 30 Jan 2019 21:21

arun wrote:Hack Thoo .......... Pretty disparaging stuff from the US regards India :x .

Excerpt on dealing with “South Asia” from the WORLDWIDE THREAT ASSESSMENT of the US INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY, January 29, 2019:



One word from the article should tell you that this belongs in trash can : ", divisive national elections in India,"

This is well known fact that track too, intolerance gang, Massa , Massi everyone is connected for this Sh@t. Will see such burnol spouts coming more and more till elections and after that too if Modi govt is back. You cannot blame them for trying things that they believe are what's in their interest.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby arshyam » 30 Jan 2019 21:46

Truly puke inducing, and I don't use the word lightly.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 30 Jan 2019 21:54

these guys have an incentive to have a pliable govt which can be bent as per their wishes for deals and concessions in return for keeping secrets. If 2014 election was watershed moment. This election might be a break out moment. Where the real bharat asserts itself on global stage. Ours is a meddling ground for Western, Russian and chinese govts with all having to manage their interests if this govt comes back with a full majority

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Postby chetak » 30 Jan 2019 22:17

The whole world knows that divisive national elections in US were conducted recently.

there was serious bad blood between Trump and shrillary.

The feminazis raked up all kinds of personal schitt about trump, mostly made up and patently false.

just like in India, feminazis in the US also seriously want to be boned but sadly remain unboned because they are unbonable.

would these bozos who wrote up that motivated report dare to call that election as a divisive national election in the USA??

or is democracy sacrosanct only for the white skinned??

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Postby arshyam » 30 Jan 2019 22:21

They are always above us hoi-polloi, aren't they?

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Karan M » 30 Jan 2019 23:24

Please understand they truly believe this - this is the natural result of their judeo centric worldview which regards hinduism as a primitive faith better left by the wayside bar some sideshows like yoga, imperial self belief (others have anti-muslim policies, the US is of course something else entirely after bombing the c*rap out of muslims).

This is the distilled thought process of the mostly white elite of the US establishment. This is what is fed to US presidents, on a daily basis.

They are ok with Islamic countries (and take money on the sly for their views), and ok with jewish Israel but a Hindu India elicits contempt, derision and fear in equal measure.

This belief system will never change.

No matter how Modi tries to make nice with the US. I hope the Indian establishment and BJP folks understand this and act accordingly.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby nachiket » 31 Jan 2019 00:44

krishna_krishna wrote:One word from the article should tell you that this belongs in trash can : ", divisive national elections in India,"

Well I haven't seen a more "divisive" election in recent times than the 2016 US presidential one. The next one will be even more so. This is like pakis talking about human rights violations in India while people disappear without a trace in their own country at the hands of the ISI.

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Postby Mort Walker » 31 Jan 2019 01:23

What’s truly astounding is that these duffers are negotiating with the Talibunnies to hand back power to the terrorists.

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Postby krishna_krishna » 31 Jan 2019 03:11

Mort Walker wrote:What’s truly astounding is that these duffers are negotiating with the Talibunnies to hand back power to the terrorists.


They are on mission to built the Great Wall, bigger and better than wall in china. Offcourse they have have to because they are still numero uno since WWII, recent victories in Ukraine, victory against tali bunnies and seeyreea

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby ramana » 31 Jan 2019 05:28

arun wrote:Hack Thoo .......... Pretty disparaging stuff from the US regards India :x .

Excerpt on dealing with “South Asia” from the WORLDWIDE THREAT ASSESSMENT of the US INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY, January 29, 2019:

SOUTH ASIA

The challenges facing South Asian states will grow in 2019 because of Afghanistan’s presidential election in mid-July and the Taliban’s large-scale attacks, Pakistan’s recalcitrance in dealing with militant groups, and Indian elections that risk communal violence.
Afghanistan Stalemate
We assess that neither the Afghan Government nor the Taliban will be able to gain a strategic ilitary advantage in the Afghan war in the coming year if coalition support remains at current levels. Afghan forces generally have secured cities and other government strongholds, but the Taliban has increased large-scale attacks, and Afghan security suffers from a large number of forces being tied down in defensive missions, mobility shortfalls, and a lack of reliable forces to hold recaptured territory.
Pakistan Recalcitrance
Militant groups supported by Pakistan will continue to take advantage of their safe haven in Pakistan to plan and conduct attacks in India and Afghanistan, including against US interests. Islamabad’s narrow approach to counterterrorism cooperation—using some groups as policy tools and confronting only the militant groups that directly threaten Pakistan—almost certainly will frustrate US counterterrorism efforts against the Taliban.
Indian Elections and Ethnic Tensions
Parliamentary elections in India increase the possibility of communal violence if Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) stresses Hindu nationalist themes. BJP policies during Modi’s first term have deepened communal tensions in some BJP-governed states, and Hindu nationalist state leaders might view a Hindu-nationalist campaign as a signal to incite low-level violence to animate their supporters. Increasing communal clashes could alienate Indian Muslims and allow Islamist terrorist groups in India to expand their influence.
India-Pakistan Tensions
We judge that cross-border terrorism, firing across the Line of Control (LoC), divisive national elections in India, and Islamabad’s perception of its position with the United States relative to India will contribute to strained India-Pakistan relations at least through May 2019, the deadline for the Indian election, and probably beyond. Despite limited confidence-building measures—such as both countries recommitting in May 2018 to the 2003 cease-fire along the disputed Kashmir border—continued terrorist attacks and cross-border firing in Kashmir have hardened each country’s position and reduced their political will to seek rapprochement. Political maneuvering resulting from the Indian national elections probably will further constrain near-term opportunities for improving ties.
India-China Tensions
We expect relations between India and China to remain tense, despite efforts on both sides to manage tensions since the border standoff in 2017, elevating the risk of unintentional escalation. Chinese President Xi Jinping and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi held an informal summit in April 2018 to defuse tension and normalize relations, but they did not address border issues. Misperceptions of military movements or construction might result in tensions escalating into armed conflict.


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WORLDWIDE THREAT ASSESSMENT of the US INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY January 29th 2019


This is direct meddling in India elections.
India needs to respond they have the means and will to prevent the riots, bring perpetrators to swift and instant justice.
There are Plans A,B...thru Z which is total war.
It's in US interests to ensure such violence does not happen advice their minions.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby chanakyaa » 31 Jan 2019 08:48

Amazon, Facebook and Walmart Need to Watch Their Backs in India (WSJ: Behind pay wall)
‘National Champion’ policy will encourage the rise of Indian businesses

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Postby Singha » 31 Jan 2019 13:23

https://www.news18.com/news/world/hindu ... top_pos_11

temple vandalized in hate crime in kentucky

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Postby Mort Walker » 31 Jan 2019 13:59

I didn't know Louisville, KY had a Sawmi Narayan temple.

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Postby Austin » 31 Jan 2019 16:28

8 Indians Caught In Visa Scam In US Undercover Op, Many Face Deportation

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/8-india ... -topscroll

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Postby Mort Walker » 01 Feb 2019 06:28

Austin wrote:8 Indians Caught In Visa Scam In US Undercover Op, Many Face Deportation

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/8-india ... -topscroll



Looks like hundreds more may be arrested when this is done.

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Postby Yagnasri » 01 Feb 2019 09:56

Good. Scumbags can not be allowed to do mischief like that. This should be a lesson for others.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby TKiran » 01 Feb 2019 10:39

Why we don't see Chinese students getting caught like this? Hans are the frauds who cover their fraud more sophisticated. This ride is specifically aimed to catch the fraudsters from India, but not non-partial.

Actually this is good for the genuine Indian students. This way we can keep the track record of only very bright students from India seek good education from US universities, and not dilute our reputation in US. In my opinion, it's very important for Indians to overwhelm the US higher education institutions without diluting the quality, so that in the long term, all the good paying jobs are grabbed by only Indians.

Any dilution in quality would only make these crooks take up odd jobs and slip into the lower levels of the society.

When the ultimate aim is to grab the political power as elites in the society, these bad apples getting pushed back is good thing.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Kashi » 01 Feb 2019 10:53

Bad apples in the US vs bad apples back home in India. Take your pick.

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Postby TKiran » 01 Feb 2019 11:11

They are bad apples in US but good apples once back in India. No need to be apologetic if you tried to play the system in US and get caught, you can start all over again in India. Those guys are greedy sure, but not criminals. I personally saw a lot of guys who came back suddenly (most probably because of some Visa problems in US) started back in India and are doing pretty good.

Youngsters even if they are not very skilful, can adapt very fast, in my opinion

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Postby Kashi » 01 Feb 2019 11:39

TKiran wrote:They are bad apples in US but good apples once back in India.


You never know that, nor can you claim this with any amount of certainty.

TKiran wrote:No need to be apologetic if you tried to play the system in US and get caught, you can start all over again in India. Those guys are greedy sure, but not criminals. I personally saw a lot of guys who came back suddenly (most probably because of some Visa problems in US) started back in India and are doing pretty good.


Visa problems (in the US or elsewhere) != Visa fraud (in the US or elsewhere). Your attempt to equate the two is highly insidious to say the least.

TKiran wrote:Youngsters even if they are not very skilful, can adapt very fast, in my opinion


I'm not sure what you trying to say there, but are you actually justifying visa fraud?

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Postby TKiran » 01 Feb 2019 12:39

Visa fraud is a "fraud". No justification for that. But one need not be apologetic about it. They got caught, will take punishment for that, the slate will become clean. They are youngsters, will not get bogged down because of that. They are gonna start afresh and succeed back in India.

On a higher plane when you see, US is a land of immigrants. Currently they have only Chinese and Indians who want to immigrate to US (ofcourse, willingly allowed by US). Chinese have already got the reputation as spies for CCP. If I were Donald Trump, I would have taken steps to stop immigration from China, but I would welcome Indians as they are the most law abiding. This Tehelka style sting is actually advantage Indians as the Indians would be much more careful. The ultimate aim is to capture the political power in a decade or so. We need only elite community and model community in US then only it's possible.

They are not catching the Chinese, who are much more fraudulent. That is also good for Indian community there. We can conveniently look down upon Chinese immigrants, which will be supported by the other communities as well.

So the mold is set. Indians are going to get the political power as Elite model community in US in another decade or 15 years from now. All we need to make sure is that the other communities in US should not feel threatened by us. If we have a reason to look down upon Chinese, that would be welcomed by all other communities in US.

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Postby Zynda » 02 Feb 2019 15:40

I hope GoI/MEA intervention is not to "let go" these students...similar incident back in 2011, when hundred of students, mainly from desh had enrolled in to similar fake univs in CA just to maintain visa status. UPA2 govt had to request Gotus to let most of them stay back and carry out a few token deportations. Most of these students enrol in to these universities knowingly and cry innocence/foul when caught.

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Postby chetak » 02 Feb 2019 16:37

Zynda wrote:I hope GoI/MEA intervention is not to "let go" these students...similar incident back in 2011, when hundred of students, mainly from desh had enrolled in to similar fake univs in CA just to maintain visa status. UPA2 govt had to request Gotus to let most of them stay back and carry out a few token deportations. Most of these students enrol in to these universities knowingly and cry innocence/foul when caught.


most of them are from some specific states where such long term fraudulent practice seems endemic.

"enrolment" to these "universities" is a mere facade because the real objective is illegal migration, by hook or by crook, mostly crook.

they queer the pitch for genuine students.

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Postby Amber G. » 02 Feb 2019 22:20

IMO, Louisville authorities (local and state) handled the hate-crime of vandalizing of Mandir quite well and timely. Here the Republican Gov and Democratic AG both are taking part in the pooja.

#Republican Kentucky Gov @MattBevin and #Democrat Attorney General @AndyBeshearKY lead prayer at Hindu temple defaced by #hatecrime. This is #Americar
https://twitter.com/HinduAmerican/status/1091728756513878021

They have also made an arrest.

Also, Mayor Greg Fischer invited community members to help clean up the vandalism this Saturday from 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. - LMPD said temple members are asking volunteers to bring extra painting and cleaning supplies if possible. Response is being pretty good.

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Postby Bart S » 02 Feb 2019 23:34

chetak wrote:
Zynda wrote:I hope GoI/MEA intervention is not to "let go" these students...similar incident back in 2011, when hundred of students, mainly from desh had enrolled in to similar fake univs in CA just to maintain visa status. UPA2 govt had to request Gotus to let most of them stay back and carry out a few token deportations. Most of these students enrol in to these universities knowingly and cry innocence/foul when caught.


most of them are from some specific states where such long term fraudulent practice seems endemic.

"enrolment" to these "universities" is a mere facade because the real objective is illegal migration, by hook or by crook, mostly crook.

they queer the pitch for genuine students.


Correct, and while the GOI should do it's duty with regard to consular access and other stuff, there is no reason to expend political or diplomatic capital in lobbying for these losers. It would also serve as a timely warning to other like-minded folk who end up being a burden for our consular system and ruin our reputation abroad.

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Postby chetak » 03 Feb 2019 02:03

Bart S wrote:
chetak wrote:
most of them are from some specific states where such long term fraudulent practice seems endemic.

"enrolment" to these "universities" is a mere facade because the real objective is illegal migration, by hook or by crook, mostly crook.

they queer the pitch for genuine students.



Correct, and while the GOI should do it's duty with regard to consular access and other stuff, there is no reason to expend political or diplomatic capital in lobbying for these losers. It would also serve as a timely warning to other like-minded folk who end up being a burden for our consular system and ruin our reputation abroad.


elections onlee.

they are looking for votes.

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Postby krishna_krishna » 03 Feb 2019 03:02

India issues demarche, and rightly so rights and dignity of its citizens should be protected at any cost. I am glad govt is doing right thing:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 807652.cms

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Postby Rishi_Tri » 03 Feb 2019 05:57

krishna_krishna wrote:India issues demarche, and rightly so rights and dignity of its citizens should be protected at any cost. I am glad govt is doing right thing:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 807652.cms


This is really murky and more like counter intelligence than any fact based deportation process. US federal sets up fake university, invites prospective students on liberal terms, and then says we are putting them in jail. Who are they kidding? This calls for Indian intervention at highest levels. How many Mrican evangelists, subversive elements have ever been caught in India? And then being given radio trackers? Are these murderers?

And reputation? Two hoots to reputation - there is nothing like reputation in today's world; it is survival of fittest.

Worse of all - India is supposed to be giving another contract to US for assault rifles. Hasn't Mr Modi heard of 1000s of H1B visa holders going back, families being torn apart, H1B visa situation being replicated for L1As, and now this. We are showing ourselves to be as banana a republic as possible for a $3TN economy i.e., paying money to a TV star to arrest, deport, Indians.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby arshyam » 03 Feb 2019 08:13

Whatever be their issues in the US, these kids as long as they have committed no crimes on Indian soil should be extended all help possible by GoI, no point in being self-righteous off the bat. GoI clearly seem to be more clued in than the our breathless coverage here. Even if the homeland security dept is not involved (looks like this "univ" was their creation - for what reason?*), having a fake univ on their soil and granting visas to students amounts to some amount of culpability on the US' side as well. In this day and age, they don't have a register of universities they can cross check as part of their much vaunted visa process? Right.

Let them also face some of the heat. Then what about the human rights of these students? Typical jackbooted response from the US establishment for a victimless crime. Strategeric partner and all that, indeed.

* Why not delve into why this fake univ was created, ostensibly by the DHS? Is this for some atrocity literature? Tied to elections somehow? Instead of trying to find out answers, we have here an outpouring of righteous indignation assigning guilt immediately.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Zynda » 03 Feb 2019 11:17

I guess an individual can derive a conclusion that they can do any illegal means to stay back in US and if caught (perhaps not individually but in a group), GoI will intervene and try to save your status.

I like many of you here, know individuals who were forced to come back to India from US, due to loss of immigration status/visa. And here we have a bunch of kids who knowingly broke the law and this is the 2nd time I am witnessing GoI trying to intervene to save them from deportation.

I do agree that GoI to extend consular help to them as much as possible...even help them get access to competent immigration legal services. And GoI has the right to do whatever it chooses wrt to purchasing MIL hardware from US (& yes, I do hope that after elections, they do penalize US purchases in some way which may means more opportunities for indigenous products).

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Sid » 03 Feb 2019 12:12

Let’s be realistic about this whole situation,

1) There is rampant Visa abuse, from B1/L1/H1/EB5 etc etc...and everyone knows about it. These are loopholes... and again known to every immigration lawyer in US.

2) Lot of folks will do anything to hold on to their status in US, I knew a guy from workplace who jumped from L1 to J1 to H1... god knows what... even worked at minimum salary just to be there. I felt like tipping USCIS myself.

Having said that what is wrong is wrong. Indians are smart enough to know if they are paying for a fake University, if the payoff is legal status in US.

But I don’t think Chinese/Europeans will be treated the same way if they ****** up their status. EB5 a abuse is so openly known. Same for their H1B issues, the way they come, and maintain their status is shady as hell.

Technically there should be a class action lawsuit to sue USCIS/Fake University owners to find how this establishment was setup to begin with. Then punish individuals who willingly took part in this whole scheme.

Make it black and white, instead of accepting a narrative of “shrewd” brown people tricking cute American country by tricking their innocent/welcoming system.


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