India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

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Postby Singha » 06 Feb 2019 12:12

in 90s some ppl now PIOs obtained h1 and the gc using fake experiences and even fake degrees. problem became so acute the AP Govt had to give a list of all accredited colleges and their passing out students annually to the chennai consulate on a CD to smooth things over.
i met a founder of a bodyshop once via community circle. he himself was a GC working in a large telecom in NJ-NYC belt.
in parallel he had his consulting regd firm to place h1 contractors. so he rented out a apartment in NJ to help his troops for a few initial weeks of joining.
now the error he made was bringing in a rather elite family but unqualified guy on h1 but not really qualified as his personal PA/admin guy. so now this guy took up permanent residence in one room of this guest house.
next the principals wife falls in love with this new person. it gets pretty nasty when he catches them in compromising position during a cultural convention and one day he comes in a rage and evicts his employee , throws his stuff on the road. but by then wifey had filed legal papers, claimed his lavish house and gifted her lover a brand new sedan using her hubbys hard fought cash.

when i happened by, lover had gone to mansion to live with ex-wife and principal was residing in guest house, drinking heavily with his troops and giving some gyan on life.

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Postby TKiran » 06 Feb 2019 12:51

CT alert

It could be a reaction to what happened to "Chou" guy, subsequent quietness of Visa mata, (may be some EJ's got their visa's rejected)?

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Postby Gus » 06 Feb 2019 13:00

arshyam wrote:^^ Interesting - so if this guy's citizenship is revoked, he becomes stateless? I'd think he had to renounce his Indian citizenship and so there will be no legal reason why we have to accept him back.


yes..and typically he would be taken back by the home country..to put an end to the issue, rather than be in the news cycle. I think one such case happened already with some fake affidavit in naturalization application..not sure...with the amount of news happening and consumed these days..hard to remember some details..

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Postby Gus » 06 Feb 2019 13:05

yikes..singha..the stories you have.. :lol:

fresh out of masters, i've stayed in one such apartment with gult roomies..nice guys..took care of me and cooked everyday without letting me. i suspect that's because they did not like my cooking :oops:

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Postby Suraj » 06 Feb 2019 21:00

Gus wrote:
arshyam wrote:^^ Interesting - so if this guy's citizenship is revoked, he becomes stateless? I'd think he had to renounce his Indian citizenship and so there will be no legal reason why we have to accept him back.

yes..and typically he would be taken back by the home country..to put an end to the issue, rather than be in the news cycle. I think one such case happened already with some fake affidavit in naturalization application..not sure...with the amount of news happening and consumed these days..hard to remember some details..

Can you quote such cases ? I don't quite see how stateless people can be deported anywhere that doesn't want them. I know that when the Nazi camp guard Demjanjuk was found to be hiding in the US as a citizen, his citizenship was revoked, but his former country Ukraine would not accept him back, having deemed him to have lost his original citizenship. Ultimately he got deported to Germany to stand trial at 80+ years old.

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Postby Gus » 06 Feb 2019 22:11

I think it was this case..can't find out quickly what happened to him eventually

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/nri ... 434424.cms

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Postby Gus » 06 Feb 2019 22:15

this one says 450K undocumented, and 23K "Dreamers" ..but doing a sooth asia thing clubbing pakis as well.

I know this is different as none of these are naturalized, but it's a significant number that we "documented" folks just ignore.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/internati ... 451246.ece

“It's clear from the numbers that any large scale immigration raids, detentions and deportations deeply impact the South Asian community in the U.S. With 450,000 undocumented Indians — in addition to at least 23,000 Indians and Pakistani DREAMers — these raids, detentions and the lack of movement on DACA and a DREAM Act continue to implicate and impact South Asian communities in the U.S,” a statement by the National Asian Pacific American Women’s Forum (NAPAWF) and South Asian Americans Leading Together (SAALT) said. ‘Dreamers’ are children who came to the U.S with their undocumented parents.

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Postby Suraj » 06 Feb 2019 23:40

Gus wrote:I think it was this case..can't find out quickly what happened to him eventually

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/nri ... 434424.cms

Yes that's a well known story in the denaturalization circles. The guy committed fraud multiple times and somehow managed to get naturalized anyway. There's another such story of a Serbian woman who was denaturalized because her spouse was a war criminal in the Yugoslav war and she didn't report that he was convicted, or something like that. Ah I see the SCOTUS reversed this one: Maslenjak vs US

However, there seems to be no answer as to what happens post denaturalization. Neither US nor India are signatories to the UN convention on reduction of statelessness, so neither are legally bound to accord him nationality to keep him from being stateless. He could probably live someplace on a UN issued refugee travel document, or he can petition SCOTUS on the Maslenjak precedent.

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Postby Amber G. » 07 Feb 2019 11:16

I am sure some of the brf-oldies are familiar with the infamous California Text book cases... there was LOT of discussion here in BRF few years ago.

Well there was an important ruling in US federal court against the hinduphobic cabal.
The ruling is here:
http://capeem.org/docs/OrderToUnseal.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2fdIuF-7N0FmVcxPNr3dlxJhsReYkLFszdYwzTaPC-XKEKKblLq5IOjy4
(More information can be gotten from capeem's press release.
(Congratulations to KatonLaw ( lawyer ) who presented the Hindu side and got a favorable ruling.

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Postby vera_k » 08 Feb 2019 07:35

Gus wrote:this one says 450K undocumented, and 23K "Dreamers" ..but doing a sooth asia thing clubbing pakis as well.

I know this is different as none of these are naturalized, but it's a significant number that we "documented" folks just ignore.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/internati ... 451246.ece


Those statistics are inflated by counting anyone who is paroled into the country without a visa as undocumented. Most H/L applicants would have been included in the count at some point until the green card came through.

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Postby Singha » 08 Feb 2019 10:02

https://www.ndtv.com/south/30-students- ... -topscroll

HYDERABAD:

At least 30 students from Andhra Pradesh and Telangana have returned from the US. They were those who were not detained or served notices by the US authorities in the "pay-to-stay" scam, according to Telugu organisations.

Telugu organisations working with the students, who had enrolled in a fake university floated by the US authorities to expose the immigration racket, said returning home was the safest option for the students who were not detained or received notices for violation of immigration laws.
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Those working with the "victim" students believe that there should be no problem for the students returning home in finding suitable job opportunities in India. They had already done MS from other universities and subsequently availed Optional Practical Training (OPT), a one-year work permit.

"To stay in the US and work, they took admission in this university for another MS as it lured the students with the offer that they need not attend the classes," said Buchiram.

The students doing MS in any US university have to attend classes for a specified period to avail Curricular Practical Training (CPT) or to work as intern during the course period.

"Even if a university is offering online courses, the students should find out if it has physical presence or not. This particular university was offering online courses but had no physical presence," said Buchiram.

Since many of students had taken bank loans for the studies in US, they wanted to continue to stay and work there to repay the loans.

Each student had paid $20,000 to $25,000 to enrol in the fake University of Farmington, which recruited students in 26 states across the US.

Ravikumar P. Vemuru, President of APNRT Society, had earlier said that since there was no clear-cut intention by the students to defraud the US government, the maximum punishment they could undergo was deportation.

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Postby Yagnasri » 08 Feb 2019 11:05



No one really cares about this except few gultes. When you play fast and lose in a foreign nation you are likely to suffer. We forget that.

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Postby Gus » 08 Feb 2019 11:10

what sort of work were they doing? gas station, subway stuff, or a level below H1 jobs, like $15/$20 per hr chota mota IT contract jobs.

looks like some used up the OPT period and still were not getting a H1 job, or maybe failed in lottery..not sure what is the make up of the cases

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Postby Singha » 08 Feb 2019 11:59

perhaps the underground IT economy pays the shady OPT holders less than a proper H1 for the same work. its like replacing indian labour who have some rights and political patrons , with bangladeshi seasonal labour who have no rights and must do as told

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Postby Gus » 08 Feb 2019 15:28

There is a OPT-internship-H1 path that many take. I was in the opt-gult bodyshop-h1 path :lol:

these are the typical paths for most h1 grads, as direct hires are rare and only in top kaalijes.

their rates are lower only at their immediate payroll, but since their status is masked to the layer above, rates above are still the standard rates.

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Postby disha » 08 Feb 2019 21:01

Lot of 'students' are in US to increase their market value in the marriage market.
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In other news

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/02/07/h-1b-bills-introduced-in-house-senate-to-ax-per-country-green-card-limits/amp/

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Postby Karan M » 09 Feb 2019 01:46

As expected, the faux news types are howling at the news. More brownies in white Yumrika? Not acceptable.

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Postby nachiket » 09 Feb 2019 01:53

Karan M wrote:As expected, the faux news types are howling at the news. More brownies in white Yumrika? Not acceptable.

Axing the per country quote has been a long dream of people waiting in line for 10+ years most of whom are from India and China, nearly all of whom are using the H1B->Green card route rather than the family sponsorship route. But these communities have very little political capital. Democrats care only about the latin american asylum seekers and undocumented immigrants and Syrian refugees, the former to increase their vote bank and the latter for the headlines. The Republicans hate all non-white immigrants. So there is little chance of these bills going anywhere. Neither political side has much to gain by going through with this. And in the current climate if one side does decide to support it the other will vehemently oppose it just so they can be seen to be in opposition.

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Postby Suraj » 09 Feb 2019 02:39

CRS report on employment based immigration (PDF)
Notes:
* India EB2 and EB3 priority dates still stuck in 2009 (Table 2)
* India EB2 is the largest component of backlog (Table 4)
From family sponsored immigration analysis (PDF)
* Family sponsored visas (480K) accounts for most of the 675K annual limit
* Due to per-country quotas, even the 140K limit for employer sponsored GCs are not fully used.

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Postby Karan M » 09 Feb 2019 02:43

nachiket wrote:
Karan M wrote:As expected, the faux news types are howling at the news. More brownies in white Yumrika? Not acceptable.

Axing the per country quote has been a long dream of people waiting in line for 10+ years most of whom are from India and China, nearly all of whom are using the H1B->Green card route rather than the family sponsorship route. But these communities have very little political capital. Democrats care only about the latin american asylum seekers and undocumented immigrants and Syrian refugees, the former to increase their vote bank and the latter for the headlines. The Republicans hate all non-white immigrants. So there is little chance of these bills going anywhere. Neither political side has much to gain by going through with this. And in the current climate if one side does decide to support it the other will vehemently oppose it just so they can be seen to be in opposition.


Not just this bill per se.. of late, after herr Orange has taken power, the number of caucasians on various social media loudly proclaiming their opinion about them dutty curry eaters, has multiplied manifold. Its really brought out all the creepy crawlies into the open, after all the efforts they put in all these years into pretending to be civil. On the other side of the fence, the smug, patronizing, rats of the NYT mold. Really, I wonder when our people will realize this and stop pandering to either side.

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Postby Singha » 09 Feb 2019 11:53



folks in this video look like educated solid middle class. not poor rural folk.

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Postby darshhan » 09 Feb 2019 18:43

Karan M wrote:
nachiket wrote:Axing the per country quote has been a long dream of people waiting in line for 10+ years most of whom are from India and China, nearly all of whom are using the H1B->Green card route rather than the family sponsorship route. But these communities have very little political capital. Democrats care only about the latin american asylum seekers and undocumented immigrants and Syrian refugees, the former to increase their vote bank and the latter for the headlines. The Republicans hate all non-white immigrants. So there is little chance of these bills going anywhere. Neither political side has much to gain by going through with this. And in the current climate if one side does decide to support it the other will vehemently oppose it just so they can be seen to be in opposition.


Not just this bill per se.. of late, after herr Orange has taken power, the number of caucasians on various social media loudly proclaiming their opinion about them dutty curry eaters, has multiplied manifold. Its really brought out all the creepy crawlies into the open, after all the efforts they put in all these years into pretending to be civil. On the other side of the fence, the smug, patronizing, rats of the NYT mold. Really, I wonder when our people will realize this and stop pandering to either side.


Yet there are still some indian origin people who come on this forum to wallow about one of the American parties or the other. As if we care

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Postby Lilo » 09 Feb 2019 22:38

Karan M wrote:Not just this bill per se.. of late, after herr Orange has taken power, the number of caucasians on various social media loudly proclaiming their opinion about them dutty curry eaters, has multiplied manifold. Its really brought out all the creepy crawlies into the open, after all the efforts they put in all these years into pretending to be civil. ....

My post from elsewhere on the related context...

This continuing PewDiePie vs T-series thingy seems to be a first step in the process to "other" the voices of online indians (who from jio to fiber revolution are growing at a exponential pace - 460 million internet users as of now) - and more importantly many indians can hold their own in english language(as opposed to Chinese/russian/korean/japanese) - in say comment sections of western media portals/youtube/twitter/facebook for example.
As this enormous online number on indian side threatens to strike at the root of propaganda of western MSM they have now devised this campaign.
There are many comments like "F*uck t seris India die" casually being pushed into chat lexicon. We should look at who conceived this campaign and who is pushing it - from both sides.There is a further major benefit of dividing the coalescing righttist political universe against globalism - so that anti-globalist politicians in current and future westernworld wont get any mass Indian RW online support and viceversa.

Bottomline the role of pro globalist forces in drumming up the recent bout of hate against Indians online must not be discounted .

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Postby Karan M » 09 Feb 2019 23:07

Interesting points Lilo.. can you explain a bit more about the t-series thingy?
I didnt follow the entire mess.

One thing though, as long as India was "poor", curries, yoga and call-center, many of these jokers were pretending to be civil.

As we keep advancing and websites like WEF push the idea of an Indian advancement or growing economy, the hatred from the caucasian groups has advanced disproportionately. From "young, liberal and smug" in Toronto, to "old, racist" in Aussieland to "middle aged and conservative" in midwest Yumrika.. the sheer racism these guys possess is an eye opener. Not just the english speakers. Poles, East European, West European...

They are ok with Indian women. Can't stand Indian men. Speaks volumes about their basic insecurity.

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Postby darshhan » 09 Feb 2019 23:30

Karan M wrote:Interesting points Lilo.. can you explain a bit more about the t-series thingy?
I didnt follow the entire mess.

One thing though, as long as India was "poor", curries, yoga and call-center, many of these jokers were pretending to be civil.

As we keep advancing and websites like WEF push the idea of an Indian advancement or growing economy, the hatred from the caucasian groups has advanced disproportionately. From "young, liberal and smug" in Toronto, to "old, racist" in Aussieland to "middle aged and conservative" in midwest Yumrika.. the sheer racism these guys possess is an eye opener. Not just the english speakers. Poles, East European, West European...

They are ok with Indian women. Can't stand Indian men. Speaks volumes about their basic insecurity.


'cause they can't stand darkies. Especially darkies who can compete with them in complex activities such as STEM fields, Project execution, Creating software, Defence and aerospace achievements, Financial management, Legal and Contractual matters etc. Plus the fact that we have better social skills than them which we use effectively to network amongst ourselves in pursuit of our goals. And we do all this just by eating mostly sabzi roti/Dal chawal or some variant thereof. That is why they are threatened so much by us. They know that if we Indians can get act together in India, we are going to eat their lunch. Make no mistake. This is a zero sum game and Christian anglo whites are realistic enough to know it.

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Postby sampat » 09 Feb 2019 23:54

Karan M wrote:They are ok with Indian women. Can't stand Indian men. Speaks volumes about their basic insecurity.


Not just Indian men but anyone non-white. And our people are also to blame for being idiots and deriding fellow countrymen to gain brownie points.
East-asian has it even worse. Their women have huge white fetish to the extent they are marrying racist white red necks. go to reddit.com/r/aznidentity and browse though it. Feminist want the same for India, that's the idea behind Hindu patriarchy or anti-nationalism. They want self hating bodies to play slaves.

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Postby Neshant » 10 Feb 2019 23:47

darshhan wrote:Especially darkies who can compete with them in complex activities such as STEM fields, Project execution, Creating software, Defence and aerospace achievements, Financial management, Legal and Contractual matters etc.


The question they'd have is if Indians can compete in all of this, then why aren't they doing it in their own country.

The agitation of middle and lower class white Americans is primarily against corporations, bankers and politicians who've sold them down the river. I.e telling them their outsourced, offshored jobs were nothing to be concerned about even while CEOs filled their pockets and the financial "industry" (which is a scam not an industry producing anything of value) continued to defraud the working class through rent seeking.

India for the most part does not even register on their radar unless it's about H1B which to them is a wage suppression scheme designed by corporations.

The white middle & especially lower class see themselves more so as victims than supremesis in the current context.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 11 Feb 2019 00:01

was it time magazine that went on to decide the person of decade and century and after indians overwhelmed their preferred choice, they just ignored the votes and went ahead with the editorial choice.

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Postby darshhan » 11 Feb 2019 16:31

Neshant wrote:
darshhan wrote:Especially darkies who can compete with them in complex activities such as STEM fields, Project execution, Creating software, Defence and aerospace achievements, Financial management, Legal and Contractual matters etc.


The question they'd have is if Indians can compete in all of this, then why aren't they doing it in their own country.

The agitation of middle and lower class white Americans is primarily against corporations, bankers and politicians who've sold them down the river. I.e telling them their outsourced, offshored jobs were nothing to be concerned about even while CEOs filled their pockets and the financial "industry" (which is a scam not an industry producing anything of value) continued to defraud the working class through rent seeking.

India for the most part does not even register on their radar unless it's about H1B which to them is a wage suppression scheme designed by corporations.

The white middle & especially lower class see themselves more so as victims than supremesis in the current context.


The bolded part is the question that whites/European-Americans themselves have to answer the Native American tribes. If whites were so good, then why did they have to come to America when they could have done the same in Europe itself.

What you have written is not mutually exclusive from what I have posted. I am not saying that most of these whites are racists. Atleast not in an overt way. But somewhere on the subconscious level in a subtle way their behaviour is different towards us compared to what they would behave with Japanese or even chinese. They are unable to accept that we will be anything else but snake charmers and chillum smoking sadhus.

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Postby Singha » 11 Feb 2019 17:37

>> If whites were so good, then why did they have to come to America when they could have done the same in Europe itself.

good one. MEGA - make europe great again should have been their motto. most of them did not flee war or persecution or were deported but sailed across as pure economic migrants seeking a better future and new start.

the landed english gentry setup the west indies and mainland america tobacco, sugarcane and cotton plantations which were all labour intensive and thus started the slave export trade from africa. they could have treated the american indians well and paid them a fair wage to do it. or exported paid workers from europe for the job.

when its their profit and livelihood at stake, they did what they had to do....down to the most cruel things.

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Postby Kashi » 11 Feb 2019 18:08

Neshant wrote:The question they'd have is if Indians can compete in all of this, then why aren't they doing it in their own country.


If that were the only question they'd have then they shouldn't have had the same views towards Japanese, Koreans, Taiwanese and Chinese as well. Especially since they have done it in their countries and many a time done it better- railways, electronics, automobiles, healthcare to name a few.

Try again.

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Postby Rakesh » 12 Feb 2019 11:47

That path being India not hopping on to the bandwagon of the American world view :)

India Is Falling Behind China in an Asian Arms Race
https://www.wsj.com/articles/india-is-f ... 1549583595

Nobody in Washington expects New Delhi to match Beijing’s defense spending, but if India falls too far behind China, its allure as a democratic bulwark in the Indo-Pacific will diminish greatly. In India itself, policy makers will be tempted to kowtow to Beijing rather than stand up to it.

Mr. Tellis of the Carnegie Endowment believes that the next 10 to 15 years will be crucial. “For the U.S., that’s the million-dollar question,” he says. “If India continues along this path, does our bet on it become a failed bet?

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Postby Austin » 12 Feb 2019 11:59

If US is so concerned about we not spending money on Defence instead of spending on Infra , Education , Poverty alleviation , health care etc then they should provide us free arms , like free 126 fighter for MMRCA , forgo all payment for past purchases and things like that that will help us to keep up with the Arms race against china with US help.

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Postby nachiket » 12 Feb 2019 12:05

If India signs multi-billion dollar defence deals, NYT and WaPo will have resident brown sahibs decrying how the Hindu Nationalist government is wasting money on weapons while hundreds of millions wallow in poverty and Guardian and Independent will complain about India using British aid money to buy weapons.

If India doesn't sign multi-billion dollar defence deals, WSJ prints farticles like the above.

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Postby chetak » 12 Feb 2019 12:18

Austin wrote:If US is so concerned about we not spending money on Defence instead of spending on Infra , Education , Poverty alleviation , health care etc then they should provide us free arms , like free 126 fighter for MMRCA , forgo all payment for past purchases and things like that that will help us to keep up with the Arms race against china with US help.


or failing that, the US should tell their britshit allies to pay us reparations for centuries of violent colonialism, loot, rape and pillage.

likewise for the french, the portuguese and the dutch.


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Postby SBajwa » 12 Feb 2019 21:18

Singha wrote:>> If whites were so good, then why did they have to come to America when they could have done the same in Europe itself.

good one. MEGA - make europe great again should have been their motto. most of them did not flee war or persecution or were deported but sailed across as pure economic migrants seeking a better future and new start.

the landed english gentry setup the west indies and mainland america tobacco, sugarcane and cotton plantations which were all labour intensive and thus started the slave export trade from africa. they could have treated the american indians well and paid them a fair wage to do it. or exported paid workers from europe for the job.

when its their profit and livelihood at stake, they did what they had to do....down to the most cruel things.



The poor people from England/Ireland/Europe moved to USA and and they started cotton/tobacco/wheat/etc down in south while factories to make clothes in New York after Manchester was already exporting garments to world! This all because India had been colonized and most weavers were forced away to other ways of employment. Before Industrial revolution India had 35% of trade across the world and 100% of the cotton/clothes/garment trade. The blue jeans in USA were colored by Indigo from India (India still exports Indigo).

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby VenkataS » 13 Feb 2019 07:53

darshhan wrote:
Karan M wrote:Interesting points Lilo.. can you explain a bit more about the t-series thingy?
I didnt follow the entire mess.

One thing though, as long as India was "poor", curries, yoga and call-center, many of these jokers were pretending to be civil.

As we keep advancing and websites like WEF push the idea of an Indian advancement or growing economy, the hatred from the caucasian groups has advanced disproportionately.


'cause they can't stand darkies. Especially darkies who can compete with them in complex activities such as STEM fields, Project execution, Creating software, Defence and aerospace achievements, Financial management, Legal and Contractual matters etc.


One of the principal groups opposing removal of per country quotas in employment based green cards is Iranians. The National Iranian American Council on twitter is very active in opposing any thing to do with per country quota. They go to great lengths to put down Indians to achieve this. Eliminating per country quotas and distributing the employment based green cards on a first come first served basis which is fair, is instead portrayed as India and Indians trying to corner a bunch of green cards (even though application is for an individual).

If per country quotas are not eliminated Indians in EB2 category in the green card backlog are looking at multi decade wait times before they get their green cards.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Singha » 13 Feb 2019 08:06

given the moth eaten state of their country, perhaps somehow sneaking into other countries is their planA?

a lot of iranians are in the aussie detention camp in xmas island. one who has been in there for 6 years already won a literary prize recently. given that aussies give them option to be deported but they still choose to remain, things must be even worse back home

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... as-richest


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