India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

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Postby UlanBatori » 21 Nov 2019 18:47

Rony wrote:U.S. Needs More Skilled Immigrants From Two Countries


There should be a ban on all such reports and the authors should be charged with Creating Enmity Against One or Another Community. I shudder at these. Every time I read one, the ghosts of Dachau, Buchenwald, Somnath, Ayodhya, Vijayanagaram etc etc. march over my cremation site or wherever my mortal remains end up.
What net benefit comes from these (except the flowery and benign-sounding title)? One clear effect is to make second-and third-gen desi kids more suicidal than they already are. Not **ALL** go to Hahvahd and Wall Street or even Medical/Porsche school. Not **ALL** end up owning 27 motels.

I am not a "driven" person. I just dread the wolf coming to the door. See how much time I spend at BRF? You think I **CAN** have any social life, hain? And Mongolia is a very advanced place compared to those mentioned here.

And BTW, every "Indian-XXXXX" CEO (and even doctor) goes around playing the equivalent of Russian Roulette. With 5 bullets loaded in the gun. Look at the history of the past 20 years. Desis gloat every time one more high-flyer is downed and brutally crushed. Look up the name of Anand, relative of Yesudas, for starters.

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Postby Gerard » 22 Nov 2019 04:30

US-India defence ties grow closer as shared concerns in Asia loom

“You hear officials say now that the US exercises more with India than any other non-NATO partner,” said Alyssa Ayres, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. You would never have imagined that 20 years ago.”

According to data from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, exports of US weapons to India from 2013 to 2017 increased 557% over the previous five-year period.
“India is now at that level where it’s basically like a NATO partner even if there’s no alliance,” said Siemon Wezeman, a senior researcher at the institute.

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Postby A_Gupta » 22 Nov 2019 11:01

‪America's Top Islamist Network Pledges Support to Pro-Jihad Kashmir Leader https://www.investigativeproject.org/81 ... vg.twitter

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Postby Kashi » 22 Nov 2019 11:50

A_Gupta wrote:‪America's Top Islamist Network Pledges Support to Pro-Jihad Kashmir Leader https://www.investigativeproject.org/81 ... vg.twitter


Is that what they are calling Sanders, Warren, Jayapal and Omar these days?

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Postby A_Gupta » 22 Nov 2019 12:55

Haha.

“An umbrella organization representing most American Islamist groups has pledged complete support to a Pakistan-backed Kashmir leader who supports jihadists.

The US Council of Muslim Organizations (USCMO) is an umbrella group of America's top Islamist organizations, including the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), the Muslim American Society (MAS), the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), and American Muslims for Palestine.

It met last month with Sardar Masood Khan, president of "Azad," or "Free" Jammu and Kashmir. Khan gave "a firsthand account of the humanitarian crisis and the current political situation" in Indian Jammu and Kashmir, according to an Oct. 1 USCMO news release.

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Postby Vayutuvan » 22 Nov 2019 20:40

Kashi wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:‪America's Top Islamist Network Pledges Support to Pro-Jihad Kashmir Leader https://www.investigativeproject.org/81 ... vg.twitter


Is that what they are calling Sanders, Warren, Jayapal and Omar these days?


good one. should add to brf dictionary.

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Postby Rony » 22 Nov 2019 21:48

UlanBatori wrote: Look up the name of Anand, relative of Yesudas, for starters.


Wow. Never knew that till now. Thanks

For folks who might be interested in reading about the judicial farce in his case

Was Wrongfully Convicted Fashion Designer a Victim of Racial Prejudice on the Part of Prosecutor ?

Was designer Anand Jon targeted for being Indian ?

Case controversy from Wiki

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Postby A_Gupta » 07 Dec 2019 23:20

https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation ... 72653.html
US faults India’s response to cyber attack on Kudankulam nuclear plant
US State Department officials are on a hush-hush visit to India in connection with the recent cyber attack on the Kudankulam nuclear plant, which has been traced to North Korea, it is learnt. Sources said the US expressed concern over India’s bid to play down the incident. Washington feels New Delhi should have raised the issue at the global level to expose N Korea’s intentions.

“US State Department officials are in India and had a meeting with select officials of the Indian Ministry of External Affairs. They expressed unhappiness at the way India handled the cyber attack,” sources told this newspaper.

However, neither the MEA nor the US embassy in New Delhi confirmed the visit with foreign ministry officials saying they have “no such information”.

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Postby UlanBatori » 07 Dec 2019 23:50

False flag? Attacks on nuke plants are speciality of 2 of the 3 YYY. Frederick Forsyth in his old age has written a TERRIBLE :P novel on this, claiming without basis that Poodlestan has some credentials and capabilities.

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Postby Rony » 10 Dec 2019 03:37

Long read but worth it. All about the lunatic leftist anti-Hindu, certainly anti-Hindutva (which becomes anti-India) breaking India forces in US and Canada who call themselves "South Asians". The history of this artificial category, its impact and limitations both in the diaspora and in India . Written by a gori admirer of "South Asians" with the usual Hindutva = evil, "South Asian" = "Progressive" filters.

The Construction, Mobilization and Limits of South Asianism in North America

https://journals.openedition.org/samaj/3766

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Postby chetak » 10 Dec 2019 06:33

twitter


India’s British diaspora more effective than its US diaspora which began flexing its electoral muscle only after ⁦@RepJayapal⁩’s loaded resolution on #Kashmir. Indian-American lawmakers & their backers in Indian parliament are a particularly feckless lot. Vote. Them. Out.


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Postby Cain Marko » 10 Dec 2019 08:10

^ these are steps in the right direction (no pun intended) - Indian diaspora first and foremost needs to stop supporting rascal Jaypal and Rokhanna types. Next, stand up candidates who will support the correct causes.

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Postby Kashi » 10 Dec 2019 08:59

Cain Marko wrote:^ these are steps in the right direction (no pun intended) - Indian diaspora first and foremost needs to stop supporting rascal Jaypal and Rokhanna types. Next, stand up candidates who will support the correct causes.


Wishful thinking at best. Even in this very forum, members have brushed aside the actions of these "types" and all but conveyed that they will continue to support these "types".

I think it should be recognised that the interests of Indian diaspora may not necessarily align with those of India (and many Indians) at every step.

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Postby OmkarC » 10 Dec 2019 10:11

Kashi wrote:
Cain Marko wrote:^ these are steps in the right direction (no pun intended) - Indian diaspora first and foremost needs to stop supporting rascal Jaypal and Rokhanna types. Next, stand up candidates who will support the correct causes.


Wishful thinking at best. Even in this very forum, members have brushed aside the actions of these "types" and all but conveyed that they will continue to support these "types".

I think it should be recognised that the interests of Indian diaspora may not necessarily align with those of India (and many Indians) at every step.


Both of them represent the two most liberal areas of the country - SF bay area & Seattle - where democratic victories are a given. Need to stop funding their electoral campaigns.


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Postby Prem Kumar » 10 Dec 2019 17:40

The so-called "U.S Federal Body" are the USCIRF twats :lol: :lol:

Media faithfully calls them "Federal Body" to try & give some gravitas to this disgraced entity

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Postby Karan M » 10 Dec 2019 17:42

This is colonialism pure and simple. They are literally trying to tell the gungadin Indians to behave as they wish.

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Postby Prem Kumar » 10 Dec 2019 17:52

Moving this post from the Helicopter thread to this one. This is about a pro-U.S-defense lobby inside the RW tent . AIM = Abhijit Iyer Mitra

Karan M wrote: In fact, he has bragged about his intentions in the past, even if he is smarter nowadays.


Can you please elaborate?

I have my theory about the cabal he is part of. There is a pro-American RW lobby that's nationalistic in many ways, except when it comes to defense indigenization. Madhav Nalapat, Sree Iyer & Subramaniam Swamy belong to this lobby. You can see the heavy-duty shilling that Nalapat did on Sree Iyer's YouTube interview for the mythical F-35 deal. He was livid with Modi sarkar for buying S-400, saying that it will jeopardize Indo-US relations. Su Swamy, if I recall correctly, also parroted those lines. AIM is a new entrant into this cabal.

His access is due to his mother V. S. Chandralekha, an IAS officer turned politician. Someone (likely on Jayalalitha's behest) threw acid on the poor lady's face in TN several years back - it became a big incident. Chandralekha is a close friend of Su Swamy. That's how these dots are connected.

P.S. This is not to say that Nalapat, Sree Iyer or Swamy are not nationalistic. In fact, on most issues, I tend to agree with them. But when it comes to U.S-India relations & defense purchases, they act like dalals. AIM is a minor pawn in this, but perhaps nurtured to become a bigger chess piece in the coming years.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby komal » 10 Dec 2019 18:01

Prem Kumar wrote:The so-called "U.S Federal Body" are the USCIRF twats :lol: :lol:

Media faithfully calls them "Federal Body" to try & give some gravitas to this disgraced entity


USCIRF includes Tony Perkins and Gary Bauer. To paraphrase the Mahatma, it is the duty of every civilized nation to earn the enimity of those two.

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Postby Prem Kumar » 10 Dec 2019 18:07

Well said!

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Postby ArjunPandit » 10 Dec 2019 18:11

Karan M wrote:This is colonialism pure and simple. They are literally trying to tell the gungadin Indians to behave as they wish.

karan why is it that Indian media never calls out the treatment of non white communities in US? My hypothesis that most of them havent ventured beyond the cushy tushies of midtown manhattan, disney land, LA and SFO to know that. Travel few miles in Brooklyn, bronx and queens to know this reality of america. but that thats just my view...

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Postby Kashi » 10 Dec 2019 18:15

ArjunPandit wrote:karan why is it that Indian media never calls out the treatment of non white communities in US?


And lose their US visas and shopping trips?

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Postby ArjunPandit » 10 Dec 2019 18:16

^^i doubt US would do that...of course they can do a deep dive (read strip search) at the port of entry..

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Postby ricky_v » 10 Dec 2019 18:35

Certain sections of the us are getting a bit uppity
https://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2019/12/09/kashmir_crisis_calls_for_us_engagement_113126.html
Pakistan and India have jointly administered the Jammu and Kashmir region since 1948, when the United Nations negotiated a cease-fire between the two South Asian countries and decreed that the Kashmiri people would determine their own future. That there is a hotly disputed region adjoining two nuclear-armed adversaries should be momentous enough to engage the United States in resolving the matter.

Sounds like misbehaving pets.
More recently, India has begun breaking up the region into smaller areas and annexing them.

When we served in the U.S. Congress, the United States understood the meaning and value of promoting and protecting freedom, democracy, and human rights. If these values are weak anywhere, they are weak everywhere. The situation in Kashmir represents a breakdown in those values.

:rotfl:
Kashmir is not just an internal matter for one or the other country to manage. Kashmir has already sparked wars between India and Pakistan. It can easily animate another one -- but this time a conflict between nuclear-armed nations. This at a time when our own presence in the region is in flux as we try to end the war in Afghanistan. The situation in Kashmir -- and its long-term solution -- deserves a multilateral approach, led by the United States.

Let’s hope Kashmir becomes a symbol of America’s moral influence on the world, not another example of the failure of our leadership.

irst elected in 1987, Representative Chris Shays served as the Congressman for the Stamford, Conn., area for more than 20 years. He and his wife Betsi, both former members of the Peace Corps stationed in Fiji, maintain their dedication to public service today, with Shays having served on the board of directors of a management and technology consulting firm, as well as in a commissioner role with UNESCO, since his time in Washington. From the Long Island area, Representative George Hochbrueckner first served as Congressman for New York’s First District in 1986. Retiring from his elected official responsibilities after nearly a decade on Capitol Hill and five terms in the New York State Assembly, Hochbrueckner still works to bring accessibility to Washington as a policy consultant and continues to give back to the community. He and his wife Carol are currently based in Suffolk County, where Hochbrueckner serves as a Member of the Middle County Library Foundation Board, working to develop services and programs to libraries across the U.S. The views expressed are the authors' own.

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Postby Karan M » 10 Dec 2019 18:59

Prem - agree with you about the rest of those guys. This dude is currently a RW darling, but in the past, amongst his chosen group, he had no love lost for them. Anyhow, India needs all sorts and if he does something good, then ok but as far as indigenization goes, he has been a real shame and we just have to discount his claims.

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Postby Aditya_V » 10 Dec 2019 20:17

ArjunPandit wrote:
Karan M wrote:This is colonialism pure and simple. They are literally trying to tell the gungadin Indians to behave as they wish.

karan why is it that Indian media never calls out the treatment of non white communities in US? My hypothesis that most of them havent ventured beyond the cushy tushies of midtown manhattan, disney land, LA and SFO to know that. Travel few miles in Brooklyn, bronx and queens to know this reality of america. but that thats just my view...


It is foolish to think they do know, the US is too powerful to take on. Most of children study there and NGO funds come from there. Nobody in thier right mind takes on a superpower

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Postby Rony » 10 Dec 2019 21:05

This "US is too powerful. We cant touch it" is only in the minds of some Indians who depend on US visas and education/jobs for their kids in US. I guess we will hear the same impotence from such people in the hypothetical scenario of USCIRF/US govt recommending sanctions on Indian leaders and India under pressure from the evangelicals.

CGTN (China), Press TV (Iran), RT (Russia), TRT (Turkey), Al Jazeera (Qatar), DW (Germany), France 24(France) all highlight human rights violations in US and by US in other countries. Its only some of us who do dhoti shiver.

What is needed is a good Indian version of such above channels focusing on external issues and internal affairs of other countries from a Indian nationalist perspective. And it does not take much resources either. One does not have to commit to BBC or CNN or AJ type funds or resources. Even a PressTV or TRT types can do amazing amount of propaganda. We have DD India but needs more quality programs and exposure.

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Postby V_Raman » 18 Dec 2019 00:45

interesting article - atleast as a catalog of many other articles linked - https://warontherocks.com/2019/12/india ... ity-order/

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Postby ramana » 18 Dec 2019 04:55

Rony wrote:Dont miss the ( anti-Indian) comments

U.S. Needs More Skilled Immigrants From Two Countries

The average second-generation Indian- or Chinese-American who grew up on the edge of poverty will tend to reach the upper-middle class. That level of upward mobility is simply amazing. For Indian-Americans, the phenomenon is particularly surprising, since most Indian immigrants already speak English when they arrive, and hence have less of a handicap relative to their native-born kids.

Why do Indian and Chinese immigrants do so well? Some will no doubt attribute their outperformance to cultural values of education and hard work. In reality, it’s probably more about the type of immigrants who come from those countries. Indian and Chinese people tend to come to the U.S. not as refugees or unauthorized low-wage laborers, but as high-skilled workers or the close relatives of skilled workers. That means even poor Indian and Chinese immigrants tend to have prosperous friends and relatives, and to come from families that value education and ambition. And India and China have by far the biggest pools of population from which to select such driven and talented individuals.

This is especially true for India. Even in comparison with other high-achieving groups, Indian-Americans stand out in terms of education level and dominance in high-skilled occupations.

As a result, Indians are the highest-earning group by ancestry in the U.S., with a median household income of more than $110,000 in 2016 (the difference isn't due to larger households, since Indian-Americans also come out on top in terms of per capita income). But it’s not just scientific and technical fields in which Indian-Americans excel. They are increasingly a force in politics and law. A growing number of politicians, top political staffers and judges are of Indian descent. In business, too, Indians are rocketing to the top
-- two of the U.S.’s five biggest companies, Alphabet Inc. and Microsoft Corp., have Indian-born chief executive officers. Though historical comparisons are hard, Indians seem on track to be the most accomplished minority group in U.S. history.


Lots of ting s to think over in this article.
While the top people are in high income brackets we as a community are not doing enough to help those of us who have not made it into the middle to top. We are no helping those less inclined to higher studies to set up businesses or get vocational training to take advantage of the new economy.

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Postby Prasad » 18 Dec 2019 11:07

V_Raman wrote:interesting article - atleast as a catalog of many other articles linked - https://warontherocks.com/2019/12/india ... ity-order/

Staniland is as condescendingly aholish as they come when it comes to views on India. Just check his twitter TL and you'll understand. There isnt one line in that entire piece about doklam or obor.
It is no different from american wishy washy-ness right from 49. Read Gerard's posts from old archives from that period and you'll see the very same arguments being discussed as in this piece above.

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Postby Mukesh.Kumar » 19 Dec 2019 08:19

Trump Impeached.

Donald Trump has become the third US president in history to be impeached by the House of Representatives, setting up a trial in the Senate that will decide whether he remains in office.

The House voted on two charges - that the president abused his power and that he had obstructed Congress.

Both votes fell along party lines with nearly all Democrats voting for the charges and all Republicans against.




The vote for the first article of impeachment, abuse of power, was passed 230-197 and the second, for obstruction of Congress, 229-198.

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Postby Mukesh.Kumar » 19 Dec 2019 08:24

Mukesh.Kumar wrote:Trump Impeached.

Donald Trump has become the third US president in history to be impeached by the House of Representatives, setting up a trial in the Senate that will decide whether he remains in office.

The House voted on two charges - that the president abused his power and that he had obstructed Congress.

Both votes fell along party lines with nearly all Democrats voting for the charges and all Republicans against.




The vote for the first article of impeachment, abuse of power, was passed 230-197 and the second, for obstruction of Congress, 229-198.


And from same article- He will go free....

But the framers of the constitution with its impeachment provision could never have imagined the hyper-partisanship - on both sides - that has been witnessed during today's sterile House proceedings. Each side with its own narrative, neither side listening to the other. And one can say with some certainty - I would bet all my yet-to-be-gifted Christmas presents - that it will be much the same once this becomes a trial in the Senate in the New Year.

Donald Trump will be acquitted. He won't be forced from office.

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Postby UlanBatori » 19 Dec 2019 08:39

It appears that ***ZERO***** elephants voted for impeachment while at least one donkey voted against, and one abstained. Maybe more. A long way from 1975. Basically a party-line partisan vote, nothing to do with the merit of the case.

Trouble with the 2 Articles is this:
1. Ppl elect a PRESIDENT, precisely to exert executive power. There is no theft/personal gain even alleged. Just using his power to ask that criminal charges be investigated.
2. "Obstructing Congress" is laughable: they haven't been DOING anything useful.

So at the end of the day, all that COTUS has done is to certify that the President is doing what he was elected to do: get things done, and don't let COTUS stand in the way.

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Postby Philip » 20 Dec 2019 05:18

There's a report that the US has narrowly approved of India's involvement with the Chahbahar port in Iran because of the need for a safe Afghan supply route.

We are most thankful to our lord and master, the mighty Uncle Sam, (grovel, grovel,lick backside) for such a great favour to a lowly ,wretched and ignorant nation of native darkies,ignoramuses of geopolitics that we are.Fit only to be porters and cannon fodder, ever- ready to " carry the white man's burden" as massa Kipling so beautifully described us three centuries ago!
Like Gunga Din all that massa white man has to do to make us spring to do his bidding is to snap his fingers and watch us run to be the first in line for receiving crumbs from his table. How lucky we are indeed for such generosity from our gracious Uncle Sam!

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Postby Skanda » 20 Dec 2019 06:00

Top Indian official abruptly cancels meeting with congressional leaders over Kashmir criticisms
India’s external affairs minister abruptly canceled a meeting with senior members of Congress this week after U.S. lawmakers refused demands to exclude a congresswoman who has criticized the Indian government’s policies in Kashmir, said congressional aides familiar with the matter.

The decision demonstrates India’s sensitivity over the Kashmir issue as Prime Minister Narendra Modi defends moving in troops, imposing curfews, and cutting off mobile phone and Internet access in India’s only majority-Muslim state.

During his visit to Washington this week, External Affairs Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar was to meet the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, Rep. Eliot L. Engel (D-N.Y.); the committee’s top Republican, Rep. Michael McCaul (Tex.); and others, including Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.).


As usual, WP headlines Dr.Jaishankar as an official when he has the same status as Sec Pompeo. It gets his designation correct in the body.

Good on JaiShankar to have cancelled this meeting. The US does not want a meeting. It just wants to berate Dr. JS and call India a fascist nation.

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Postby UlanBatori » 20 Dec 2019 07:19

^It's not "the US". Its the terrorist-lovers in the COTUS. Equivalent might be if Sec. Pompeo was asked to a meeting with the CPI(M) members of the Lok Sabha. Except that each Member of the Lok Sabha represents 4 times as many citizens as a House Rep.
GOI needs to make it very very clear that twerps like P.Jaypal, the Somalian bibi, and other blatant enemies of humanity are persona non grata. Great start.

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Postby Mort Walker » 20 Dec 2019 10:28

UlanBatori wrote:^It's not "the US". Its the terrorist-lovers in the COTUS. Equivalent might be if Sec. Pompeo was asked to a meeting with the CPI(M) members of the Lok Sabha. Except that each Member of the Lok Sabha represents 4 times as many citizens as a House Rep.
GOI needs to make it very very clear that twerps like P.Jaypal, the Somalian bibi, and other blatant enemies of humanity are persona non grata. Great start.


Actually, everyone who is a relative of Pramila Jaypal that is a US citizen or on her staff should have their Indian visa revoked. The new CAA now permits the GoI to easily remove OCI status should they deem it so.

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Postby NRao » 20 Dec 2019 11:47

Evangelical publication calls for Trump's removal from office

A leading Christian magazine founded by late evangelist Billy Graham -- father of key presidential supporter Franklin Graham -- published an op-ed on Thursday calling for President Donald Trump to be removed from office and urging evangelicals not to support him.

"Whether Mr. Trump should be removed from office by the Senate or by popular vote next election—that is a matter of prudential judgment," Christianity Today's editor in chief, Mark Galli, wrote in the op-ed. "That he should be removed, we believe, is not a matter of partisan loyalties but loyalty to the Creator of the Ten Commandments."

Galli continued, "We believe the impeachment hearings have made it absolutely clear, in a way the Mueller investigation did not, that President Trump has abused his authority for personal gain and betrayed his constitutional oath. The impeachment hearings have illuminated the president's moral deficiencies for all to see."

"None of the president's positives can balance the moral and political danger we face under a leader of such grossly immoral character," he added.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby UlanBatori » 20 Dec 2019 17:53

Wow! That is new. Have the EJs shifted entirely to donkeystan?


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