Bharat Rakshak

Karan M wrote:

Mort Walker wrote:
The USCIRF is a corrupt organization and racist. Its commissioners, staff, and contractors have an ulterior agenda. This can be proven by showing they've acted far from impartially. They in fact need to be defunded by the US congress.

Exactly. It speaks volumes though, that not one official or quasi-official political body from the desi side has even put out anything like the sort.

Right, and no Buddhist majority country has ever raised the issue of 'freedom of religion' in India. Nor does the issue come up in their media, and if it does, it would probably be to praise India if anything.

For that matter, the overwhelming number of Christian majority countries don't bring up the matter. Can you see the government or a quasi government agency in say, Colombia or Guatemala, making such an accusation. The problem here I suppose, is that the more proselytising elements in those societies might be quite sympathetic to such a report from the US.

KL Dubey wrote: USCIRF is an insignificant organization for India, plain and simple. We can find fault with one member or the other, or their criticism of India, but then they also criticize a bunch of other countries. The member Bauer dissented this time, but he too like Perkins is a member of the same hate group (Family Council or something like that). Why bother to anal-ize these guys when there are better things to do. Do Russia or China bother to respond .....

Actually, they do. China specifically made it a point to release a report on racial discrimination and civil rights in US. This org is funded by US cong and India should take it up with US govt in a strong manner. The amount of narrative setting on India and mainstreaming of hinduphobic should not be ignored.

https://www.cfr.org/blog/pandemic-and-c ... ations-now
The Pandemic and China Are Strengthening U.S.-India Relations, for Now
Blog Post by Guest Blogger for Alyssa Ayres, May 4, 2020
This post is part of an Asia Unbound series of voices from Asia on the COVID-19 crisis, and on its implications for Asia and for Asian views of the United States. The post is authored by Rajeswari Pillai Rajagopalan, distinguished fellow and head of the nuclear and space policy initiative at India’s Observer Research Foundation. She is the author, most recently, of “Toward a Quad-Plus Arrangement?”......
Despite the COVID-19 pandemic, U.S.-India relations have shown signs of continued cooperation. Officials of the two countries are in frequent contact, including President Donald J. Trump and Prime Minister Narendra Modi, and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and his counterpart, External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar. Concerns about China’s growing aggressiveness may be driving New Delhi and Washington closer together. But there are signs of turbulence ahead, and the outcome of the U.S. presidential election and the uncertain path of the pandemic itself make any prognosis tentative at best.
The United States has taken the lead in extending assistance to other countries, including India. According to a Department of State Fact Sheet issued on April 16, the State Department and the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) together have earmarked about $500 million dollars in emergency health, humanitarian, and economic assistance. This is in addition to State Department funding to multilateral and non-governmental organizations (NGOs) actively providing assistance during the pandemic. Washington and New Delhi have great potential for further collaboration. This crisis drives home the importance of ensuring that multilateral agencies remain effective and unbeholden to any one power. India and the United States can work together with their allies to promote neutrality, transparency and accountability in such agencies.
Both countries have a stake in ensuring that they do not cede influence to China in the provision of pandemic relief, especially to smaller countries in the region. The pursuit of influence continues unabated despite the pandemic. China’s missteps such as allowing the pandemic to spread, focusing more on shifting blame than investigating the origins of the virus, using pandemic aid for publicity, and engaging in assertive military behavior toward its smaller neighbors have helped but they only provide an opportunity, not a guarantee, for regional leadership. The United States has stepped up diplomatic consultations for cooperation with a geographically diverse group of countries, which has now been dubbed the Quad-plus because it includes South Korea, Vietnam and New Zealand in addition to the original Quad (United States, India, Australia and Japan). The crisis could help generate subsequent strategic cooperation—the original Quad grew out of multilateral cooperation after the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami.
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Gautam

What right does the USCIRF to criticise any nation when this sort of thing happens in the USA??
This happened in February!!!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... l#comments

I recall reading that their jurisdiction does not cover the US itself. Sort of like the culinary institute...

Not to mention that things are bound to be perfect in a land of milk and honey, filled with free and brave folks - you get the drift...

I recall reading that their jurisdiction does not cover the US itself..

The thing with such 'religious freedom' orgs is that any other religions practice will be claimed as exercising 'religious freedom' or such. So the burdon of success falls on heatheins pegeins kooffr and burden of successful falls on religious.

Hopefully people at the top recognise this but then if right wing extremism has its sway it is gonna a lot of rabble rousing.

Haresh wrote:What right does the USCIRF to criticise any nation when this sort of thing happens in the USA??
This happened in February!!!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... l#comments

why do we even accept that the us has a right to poke its nose beyond its own boundaries.

have we so cravenly surrendered our sovereignty and bowed to their hegemon

Haresh wrote:What right does the USCIRF to criticise any nation when this sort of thing happens in the USA??
This happened in February!!!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... l#comments

When you go begging for arms from the rest of the world, ignoring your own developments, you invite these type of intrusions.

January 1, 2020
$1 = Approx. INR. 71.5

May 6, 2020
$1 = Approx. INR. 76

Uncle about to create new digital money more than the size of Indian Economy and 6x Reserves

Something doesn't add up.

Why you are expecting it to add up. The US has enslaved the world through Dollar slavery. By making their currency the world currency, they don't need to work hard but just print money. Rest of the world has to toil hard only to keep seeing their wealth devalued w.r.to dollar. This is the biggest colonisation of earth.

g.sarkar wrote:https://www.cfr.org/blog/pandemic-and-c ... ations-now
The Pandemic and China Are Strengthening U.S.-India Relations, for Now
Blog Post by Guest Blogger for Alyssa Ayres, May 4, 2020

Alyssa Ayres is Ghadanand Dhume's wife. I don't know what her true feelings towards India are, at least outwardly she doesn't show contempt like her husband.

ShauryaT wrote:Religious Freedom In India Takes 'Drastic Turn Downward,' U.S. Commission Says

The commission, for the first time since 2004, recommended that the State Department designate India as a "country of particular concern," a status it says is reserved for "the worst of the worst." Thirteen other countries have that status, including Iran, North Korea, Myanmar, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. The commission called on the Trump administration to impose sanctions on "Indian government agencies and officials responsible for severe violations of religious freedom," given its treatment of religious minorities, including Christians as well as Muslims.

Ever heard of the adage to never punch down? GoI should ignore these rants.

Around minute 16 mark, Hindu prayer slot.

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1 ... 1915752449

hanumadu wrote:

g.sarkar wrote:https://www.cfr.org/blog/pandemic-and-c ... ations-now
The Pandemic and China Are Strengthening U.S.-India Relations, for Now
Blog Post by Guest Blogger for Alyssa Ayres, May 4, 2020

Alyssa Ayres is Ghadanand Dhume's wife. I don't know what her true feelings towards India are, at least outwardly she doesn't show contempt like her husband.

to me they seem to be playing good cop bad cop for years. Wife is good cop here..I think this is a maximal strategy

x posting from the evangelical thread.

"Converting entire countries has proven to be a time-tested way to subjugate nations and ensure the compliance of the people, who, upon changing their religious affiliations, turn into passive supporters of western foreign policy."

https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/worl ... oronavirus

Would the Vietnam war have gone on for so long without the support of christian fanatics in the South??

https://www.thestatesman.com/india/h-1b ... 87345.html
H-1B visa suspension prevents several Indians in US from flying back home aboard repatriation flights
According to the regulations issued by the Indian government last month and updated last week, visas of foreign nationals and OCI cards, that provide visa-free travel privileges to the people of Indian-origin, have been suspended as part of the new international travel restrictions.
SNS Web | New Delhi | May 12, 2020
Several Indians in the US, either on the H-1B work visa or Green Card having children who are American citizens by birth, are being prevented from travelling to India aboard the special repatriation flights being run by Air India under the Vande Baharat Mission, amidst the Coronavirus lockdown.
According to the regulations issued by the Indian government last month and updated last week, visas of foreign nationals and OCI cards, that provide visa-free travel privileges to the people of Indian-origin, have been suspended as part of the new international travel restrictions.
Several parents are not able to return to India despite holding valid Indian visas because their children are American citizens.
In March, fearing massive layoffs in America due to the Coronavirus crisis that is hitting businesses around the globe, foreign technology professionals on H-1B visas, most sought after among Indians, had demanded the Trump administration to extend their permissible post-job loss limit to stay in the US from the existing 60 to 180 days. However, there has been no decision from the White House so far.
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Gautam

"Biden is disappointed by measures #India has taken with implementation & aftermath of NRC in Assam & passage of CAA. These measures are inconsistent w/ the country’s long tradition of secularism & w/ sustaining a multi-ethnic & multi-religious democracy"

https://t.co/4AAXJz0Ylh

Wasn't Biden supposed to be a friend of India ?

More details.

.@JoeBiden @TheDemocrats #Biden2020 #Trump2020

Very curious. Joe, I think we Hindu-Americans/Indian-Americans also deserve a nifty box on your website. This is one of the reasons Hindu-Americans are considering voting for Trump: he actually acknowledges we exist. https://t.co/RFsC3bLTQS

Biden's site does not acknowledge hindus.

Rahul M wrote:"Biden is disappointed by measures #India has taken with implementation & aftermath of NRC in Assam & passage of CAA. These measures are inconsistent w/ the country’s long tradition of secularism & w/ sustaining a multi-ethnic & multi-religious democracy"

https://t.co/4AAXJz0Ylh

Wasn't Biden supposed to be a friend of India ?

I would exercise caution on weapon system purchases from the US. Trump is in serious political trouble and his successor will have to be engaged as the US is the largest economy in the world.

Mort Walker wrote:

Rahul M wrote:"Biden is disappointed by measures #India has taken with implementation & aftermath of NRC in Assam & passage of CAA. These measures are inconsistent w/ the country’s long tradition of secularism & w/ sustaining a multi-ethnic & multi-religious democracy"

https://t.co/4AAXJz0Ylh

Wasn't Biden supposed to be a friend of India ?

I would exercise caution on weapon system purchases from the US. Trump is in serious political trouble and his successor will have to be engaged as the US is the largest economy in the world.

+1

India should not trust US for any vital national interests. Should trust no one other than itself, but US is in a league all of its own.

^^^That said, what Biden has stated is a bad omen for Indians in the US. The left is infected with Islamists and the right with racists. At this time, Trump is the lesser of two evils.

Biden is from the Cold War era - an old Cold Warrior. Since he was active in foreign policy issues, he may have made friends with Pakistan. Indians in the US need to take this up with DNC so that he is given a better understanding of issues. And if his views do not change, Indian Americans need to turn Republican.

Given we have nearly as many Hindu Americans in US as there are Muslim Americans, we should do a better job in lobbying.

Except trump and his immediate office, everyone seems to hate hindus. Forget about politics, this horrible environment can breed next generation sepoys who will rub their 'success' in our faces and do all sorts of degeneracy. I guess it's already happening with woke hindu crowd.

'friendship' with america is inevitable. We need to find ways to counter this woke crowd. weekly ad campaign perhaps? GoI should allocate some funds and do some soft push in that direction. if trump gets back to power, both will have 4 years to remedy it.

Nothing is permanent. If something is not in our favour, we have to create something in our favour. if current situation continues, our relations will go low lower than us-china relations. I can see their 'brilliant' strategy to create a favourable India if things go wrong with hindu nationalist bjp.

syam wrote:Except trump and his immediate office, everyone seems to hate hindus.

There are racists and EJs in this administration, but I don't see this as statement as accurate.

g.sarkar wrote:
Several parents are not able to return to India despite holding valid Indian visas because their children are American citizens.

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Gautam

Must mean INDIAN PASSPORTS.

saip wrote:

g.sarkar wrote:
Several parents are not able to return to India despite holding valid Indian visas because their children are American citizens.

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Gautam

Must mean INDIAN PASSPORTS.

If they have an Indian passport, they cannot be kept out of India. They must be foreign citizens with Indian visa or OCI card.

KLNMurthy wrote:

saip wrote: Must mean INDIAN PASSPORTS.

If they have an Indian passport, they cannot be kept out of India. They must be foreign citizens with Indian visa or OCI card.

The problem is in the fact that a part of an Indian family may be minors born in the US, with automatic US citizenship. The adults on the other hand may be Indian citizens with H1B visa or green card. Now changes in the US immigration laws may make it difficult for Indian citizens to live in the US, and it may make it difficult for the minor US citizens to accompany their Indian parents to India due to Indian laws during China virus. It is also impossible for minors to live alone in the US, if they do not have near relatives to be their guardians. In such cases, child protective services will take the children into their custody. These problems did not occur before, but I am sure if some exceptions are made in the law, the problem can be solved and children be allowed to return to India with their parents. As far as OCI is concerned, it was a permanent life time visa to India. It is presently cancelled and Indian origin foreign citizens with OCI can not travel to India.
Gautam

KLNMurthy wrote:

saip wrote: Must mean INDIAN PASSPORTS.

If they have an Indian passport, they cannot be kept out of India. They must be foreign citizens with Indian visa or OCI card.

All visas for foreigners are cancelled while the OCI visas are in abeyance and hopefully they will be revived before the end of the year. If the children are born in the USA then they are considered US Citizens and they have OCI cards which are in abeyance right now. I think there is a provision for Indian parents to register them as Indian citizens and obtain an Indian Passport but the USA still considers them US citizens. In that case all of them can go to India but the child(ren) may have problem coming back without US passport as I was told USA does not grant visas to USA for those born in the USA (I think one of the poster - Dileep? - had that problem) So even if the parents can go with their Indian passports the children can not accompany them if they have US Passports and OCI visas. That is my point. India should make an exception and allow minors to enter India on OCI cards. My wife is eagerly waiting for the revival of the OCI visas as her mother is very ill.

Mort, Syam & KLN,

Seems part of Sander's agenda has been slipped into Biden's campaign. I heard AOC is trying to find common grounds with Biden. Indian dharmics (Hindus, Jains, Buddhists, Sikhs) should take a wholistic approach to this situation and be careful about their monetary & political support to Biden. Trump has made mistakes in handling Covid-19 but that doesn't mean on that issue alone take a vow to defeat him.

In Indian heavy constituency Biden must be confronted on this. Also, another reason this is happening is because Indian dharmics are not united and making their presence felt on DNC's radar. Indian dharmic group has to unite a build a narrative that percolates into every section of US society from your neighborhood community/groups to schools, colleges, political forums etc

Life is not simply about being materially successful (education and money) one should be wise about setting your own narrative and environment and pushing that through in new homes and place of origin (motherland India).

Meanwhile EAM and Indian embassy should take this up at highest level with DNC. Hope Jaishankar has noted this. I think even Rudradeva has mentioned in this forum previously that India is putting a lot more than what it should have in Trump basket. We need to review and activate our assets and pursue strong diplomacy through all channel with DNC and Biden.

Rahul M wrote:"Biden is disappointed by measures #India has taken with implementation & aftermath of NRC in Assam & passage of CAA. These measures are inconsistent w/ the country’s long tradition of secularism & w/ sustaining a multi-ethnic & multi-religious democracy"

https://t.co/4AAXJz0Ylh

Wasn't Biden supposed to be a friend of India ?

Guys there are a lot of countries mentioned there including Saudi and China so all talking points.

Joe also understands the pain Muslim-Americans feel towards what’s happening in Muslim-majority countries and countries with significant Muslim populations. The forced detention of over a million Uyghur Muslims in western China is unconscionable. As President, Joe will speak out against the internment camps in Xinjiang and hold the people and companies complicit in this appalling oppression accountable. Additionally, systematic discrimination and atrocities against Burma’s Rohingya Muslim minority is abhorrent and undermines peace and stability. In Kashmir, the Indian government should take all necessary steps to restore rights for all the people of Kashmir. Restrictions on dissent, such as preventing peaceful protests or shutting or slowing down the Internet, weaken democracy. Joe Biden has been disappointed by the measures that the government of India has taken with the implementation and aftermath of the National Register of Citizens in Assam and the passage of the Citizenship Amendment Act into law. These measures are inconsistent with the country’s long tradition of secularism and with sustaining a multi-ethnic and multi-religious democracy.

People of many faiths across the Middle East are overdue for political and economic reform–as well as a return to principled American diplomacy–to help them find dignity, prosperity, and peace. That includes ending Donald Trump’s “blank check” for Saudi Arabia’s human rights abuses at home and abroad and ending the war in Yemen. It means having tough conversations about human rights with both friends and rivals. It means welcoming refugees fleeing conflict to our shores again. As President, Joe will actively engage Israelis and Palestinians alike to help them find ways to live together in peace, freedom, security, and prosperity and to champion a two-state solution. He will continue to oppose Israeli settlement expansion and has spoken out against annexation in the West Bank. He will reopen the U.S. Consulate in East Jerusalem, and restore economic and humanitarian assistance to the

Why no word on Pakistan and its human rights violations in Balochistan and Paktunistan and its support for evil Taliban? This should be called out by Indian community very vociferously. Unlike the UK Indian community, the NRI community in US is found wanting. Sad reality.

Hindu NRI community in US by and large does not rally around Pan-Indian or Hindu related issues unlike say Muslims . We have seen this in the California text book issue when except for one or two organizations and few individuals, it was a non-issue for most of the community. Even during Article 370/CAA issues, while leftist and muslim NRIs are shooting letters to senators and congressman and media, Hindu NRIs with few exceptions were disinterested and watching from sidelines. Hindu NRI community is not monolith and like in India, they are divided by regional and party lines. Any talk of Pan-Hindu issue is "Hindutva" or BJP talk. Add to that this "what is it for me" thinking which comes naturally to us. Muslim NRIs are with "Progressive"-Islamist faction anyway.

vimal wrote:

Rahul M wrote:"Biden is disappointed by measures #India has taken with implementation & aftermath of NRC in Assam & passage of CAA. These measures are inconsistent w/ the country’s long tradition of secularism & w/ sustaining a multi-ethnic & multi-religious democracy"

https://t.co/4AAXJz0Ylh

Wasn't Biden supposed to be a friend of India ?

Guys there are a lot of countries mentioned there including Saudi and China so all talking points.

Don't try to sugar coat it. This is clearly a slap across the face of Indians and particularly Hindus. If these were talking points, then the Biden campaign would say something about Israel too. However, the Jewish lobby is strong in the US. They have a box for Jewish Americans on his website. The Hindu lobby is next to non-existent.

Biden has early onset Dementia. The left is going to control his presidency. It will be the lowest point in India-US relations since Richard Nixon. They will stab India in the back and smile about it. The urban naxalites in both the US and India are already licking their lips.

No sugar coating on my part.
Sleepy Biden is unlikely to win so lets put that to rest.

I can bet a $100 that this article was written by a Hindu commie supported by a peacefool. The level of detail w.r.t to India in that article can only have come from someone close to the ground in India.

I've said this again and I say it again, Hindus are not only disengaged from any Dharmic discourse but actively sabotage any pro-Hindu agenda.

vimal wrote:No sugar coating on my part.
Sleepy Biden is unlikely to win so lets put that to rest.

I can bet a $100 that this article was written by a Hindu commie supported by a peacefool. The level of detail w.r.t to India in that article can only have come from someone close to the ground in India.

I've said this again and I say it again, Hindus are not only disengaged from any Dharmic discourse but actively sabotage any pro-Hindu agenda.

No problem.

My wife put it succinctly, and she is no Trump Rakshak, if they have the gall to write something so openly, what will happen when Biden et al. come to power? Not just for India, but for Hindus in the US? They will persecute them through the law.

schinnas wrote:Why no word on Pakistan and its human rights violations in Balochistan and Paktunistan and its support for evil Taliban? This should be called out by Indian community very vociferously. Unlike the UK Indian community, the NRI community in US is found wanting. Sad reality.

I'm just guessing but most numbers of NRI community in States comes from h1b types unlike in UKistan where I'm guessing they are more established...

Cain Marko wrote:

schinnas wrote:Why no word on Pakistan and its human rights violations in Balochistan and Paktunistan and its support for evil Taliban? This should be called out by Indian community very vociferously. Unlike the UK Indian community, the NRI community in US is found wanting. Sad reality.

I'm just guessing but most numbers of NRI community in States comes from h1b types unlike in UKistan where I'm guessing they are more established...

There are 3 million Indian origin people in the US and half are Hindus. Of these 3 million, around 500K H-1/L-1 residents and student visa around 175K residents. Many are green card or US citizens.

Sumeet wrote: Also, another reason this is happening is because Indian dharmics are not united and making their presence felt on DNC's radar. Indian dharmic group has to unite a build a narrative that percolates into every section of US society from your neighborhood community/groups to schools, colleges, political forums etc

^^ that is self imposed constrain, Sumeet gaaru. You don't have to unite 1.5 million hindus to accomplish that. sangh in india is made up of < 1% of hindus. you know their success story. most of the groups are made up of very few folks. a simple 100+ member group with good track record will be enough for starters.

we never tried any serious friendship with america. next 4 years(if trump wins) are perfect time to test the waters. if it fails, we can say atleast we tried.

Sanctions on India over S-400 missile deal? A possibility, says US envoy

https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 485_1.html