India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

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Postby Mort Walker » 23 May 2020 04:46

Haresh wrote:Sanctions on India over S-400 missile deal? A possibility, says US envoy

https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 485_1.html


If the donkey UNPA gets elected as POTUS, then it is likely to happen.

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Postby Manish_Sharma » 01 Jun 2020 01:36

^ Tejas production will be in trouble , I think in case they sanction GE 404 engines then Modi should test nukes as anyway usa will be full of enmity no matter how much Modi bends to Biden.

On the other hand it will be good as this chinook Apache gravy train of defense purchasing will halt too

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Postby fanne » 01 Jun 2020 02:46

A conspiracy theory, is the LCA signing being delayed (by a secret syndicate, whoever they are, not the people in front), hoping that non blue president will sanction India on S-400, thus by stopping GE-f404 and dooming LCA? That way LCA never happened and back to import gravy train.
Can we buy 83 f404 upfront?

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Postby chetak » 01 Jun 2020 03:50

Manish_Sharma wrote:^ Tejas production will be in trouble , I think in case they sanction GE 404 engines then Modi should test nukes as anyway usa will be full of enmity no matter how much Modi bends to Biden.

On the other hand it will be good as this chinook Apache gravy train of defense purchasing will halt too


In case of sanctions, there will many other already inducted ameriki systems, aircraft and artillery for us to worry about but then even though it will be expensive, we as a country will learn to avoid ameriki systems and no govt will buy from them again.

the amerikis are too savvy and too greedy to burn such expensive bridges over which their gravy trains run.

So no sanctions also because it will become a double edged sword that, for them, will cut both ways.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby vimal » 01 Jun 2020 07:17

Mort Walker wrote:
Haresh wrote:Sanctions on India over S-400 missile deal? A possibility, says US envoy

https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 485_1.html


If the donkey UNPA gets elected as POTUS, then it is likely to happen.


I really wish entire world would impose military sanctions on India and ban all exports of weapon systems.

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Postby darshan » 01 Jun 2020 21:34

Not All Angels Have Wings: How Sewa International Put Together A Solid Response To Covid-19 Challenge In US
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Postby darshan » 01 Jun 2020 21:50

As in US, so in India: Antifa in India glorifies Naxalism, advocates violence against Sanghis and engages in genocidal rhetoric

Donald Trump has declared that the USA will designate Antifa as a terrorist organisation. The US President took the decision following large-scale riots, where stores were looted, people were attacked and buildings were set on fire.
https://www.opindia.com/2020/06/antifa- ... ical-left/

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Postby Mort Walker » 02 Jun 2020 03:33

The Democratic Party is the party of Urban Naxalites Party of America (UNPA). These protests have proven it, but they're playing with fire. When a Democratic party president and congress gets in charge, they will resort back to the same old business as usual and the poor non white in the US will continue to get squeezed. Expect more rioting as 40+ million unemployed and frustration is coming out.

States like NY and CA will become ungovernable because their major cities will have fallen into the abyss. Trump needs to declare martial law in the top 100 metros across the US. Call out the regular US Army and shoot the rioters.

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Postby hgupta » 02 Jun 2020 05:42

Mort, please take your anti Democrat Party BS rant somewhere else. I am not interested in seeing BR becoming a pro Republican forum.

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Postby disha » 02 Jun 2020 10:07

hgupta wrote:Mort, please take your anti-Democrat Party BS rant somewhere else. I am not interested in seeing BR becoming a pro-Republican forum.


Neither it is a pro-Democrat forum where 'progressive' democrats like AOC, Ilhan Omar, Biden, Sanders etc show their AntiHindu and AntiIndia policies openly. Nay flaunts it.

India must do what is necessary for its Geo-Political interests. In the physical space, it needs to erase the Pakistani threat and take care of the Chinese Lizard. In the abstract sense, the threat of Radical Islamic Terrorism looms large.

The current president of the US has come out strongly in support of India and against Radical Islamic Terrorism and also supports India's staredown of China arising due to Chinese perfidy. Indo-US relations could never have been better.

Now you take your pick. Support the president of the US and further Indo-US relations or cry about the failure of AOCs, Sanders, Ilhans, and Joes and lay it on the members?

Yes if you support any candidate who is Anti-Indian and Anti-Hindu*, you will be called out.

Added later: China can choose the path of co-operation and not confrontation. However, any US political entity supporting China which supplies nukes and missiles to Pakistan and supports terrorism against India *must* not find favor in these pages.

I would like to jog your memory to Robin Raphael. It was her creation of the Hurriyat's and Lashkar-e-taiba which started a cycle death over some 25+ years leading to 40,000+ Indian lives lost. Please let that sink in.

Personally I do not care which party is in place or which candidate is in place. As long as it leads to a better Indo-US relation and a positive growth and enrichment of both countries and the world, I am all for it. Currently, I see only Donald J. Trump rooting for India. He may have his motives, but they are aligned with India's goals.

PS: I am *not* a Hindu.

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Postby Yagnasri » 02 Jun 2020 13:23

Historically Indians who are US citizens ( mostly Hindus) vote for Dems. But of late Dems ( and labour in the UK to whom Hindus/Indian vote regularly) becoming anti-Hindu. Entire global left has become Anti Hindu. That is a major security threat to us.

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Postby darshan » 02 Jun 2020 17:36

One can say that both parties are always anti Hindu. Their hate just goes up and down. For Democrats, it ramped up with Bill Clinton and hasn't stopped going up.

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Postby darshan » 02 Jun 2020 18:13

Communists in Kolkata burn US President Donald Trump’s effigy, raise slogans against his govt over the killing of George Floyd

The leftist protestors of Kolkata from the Socialist Unity Centre of India (Communists), carried flags of their organisation and raised slogans against the Trump administration.
https://www.opindia.com/2020/06/communi ... oyd-death/

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Postby m_saini » 02 Jun 2020 19:45

I think once the eventual crackdown comes on the "protestors" in US, we should use the chaos and opportunity to do some cracking of our own on own house communists.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Suraj » 02 Jun 2020 20:03

hgupta wrote:Mort, please take your anti Democrat Party BS rant somewhere else. I am not interested in seeing BR becoming a pro Republican forum.

One could say the same in reverse about you . What you prefer of American politics is irrelevant to this forum . Don’t make post reports demanding things a particular way when it comes to US politics .

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Postby Mort Walker » 02 Jun 2020 20:06

UCC is needed to be pushed through very soon. Enough is enough. The US has no moral ground to lecture India through USCIRF or through its kangaroo congress.

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Postby Mort Walker » 02 Jun 2020 20:10

darshan wrote:
Communists in Kolkata burn US President Donald Trump’s effigy, raise slogans against his govt over the killing of George Floyd

The leftist protestors of Kolkata from the Socialist Unity Centre of India (Communists), carried flags of their organisation and raised slogans against the Trump administration.
https://www.opindia.com/2020/06/communi ... oyd-death/


Why don’t these commies just self immolate in front of the US consulate in Kolkata to express solidarity?

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Postby mappunni » 02 Jun 2020 20:37

Mort Walker wrote:
darshan wrote:


Why don’t these commies just self immolate in front of the US consulate in Kolkata to express solidarity?


And I am sure the Kerala Commies will be glad to join their brethren in West Bengal in solidarity!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Postby darshan » 02 Jun 2020 21:45

Indian news channels should keep running this for sometime while highlighting nexus between EJs, communists, and Islamists.

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Postby darshan » 02 Jun 2020 21:54

The fake equivalence communists are trying to manufacture between Blacks of America and Muslims of India

The glee of India-haters who want to spread the violence borrowed from the US in India, which happens to be another large democracy, exposes the fallacy of their design.

https://www.opindia.com/2020/06/george- ... ims-india/

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Postby Mort Walker » 02 Jun 2020 22:02

^^^This is disturbing and people like Ashok Swain trying to lump this all together.

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Postby darshan » 02 Jun 2020 22:22

If genuine about handling Chinese, then both US and India need to start cleaning own houses. US needs to go to lengths here.

Rating Bias: Why Moody’s India Downgrade Must Be Taken With A Large Bag Of Salt
Rating agency bias has to be simply shrugged off, and India must get down to becoming self reliant and resilient.
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Postby darshan » 02 Jun 2020 22:40

Telephone conversation between PM Modi and President of USA Donald Trump
https://www.deshgujarat.com/2020/06/02/162084/
President Trump spoke about the US Presidency of the Group of Seven, and conveyed his desire to expand the ambit of the grouping beyond the existing membership, to include other important countries including India. In this context, he extended an invitation to Prime Minister Modi to attend the next G-7 Summit to be held in USA.

Prime Minister Modi commended President Trump for his creative and far-sighted approach, acknowledging the fact that such an expanded forum would be in keeping with the emerging realities of the post-COVID world. The Prime Minister said that India would be happy to work with the US and other countries to ensure the success of the proposed Summit.

Prime Minister Modi expressed concern regarding the ongoing civil disturbances in the US, and conveyed his best wishes for an early resolution of the situation.

The two leaders also exchanged views on other topical issues, such as the COVID-19 situation in the two countries, the situation on the India-China border, and the need for reforms in the World Health Organisation.

President Trump warmly recalled his visit to India in February this year. Prime Minister Modi said that the visit had been memorable and historic on many accounts, and had also added new dynamism to the bilateral relationship.

The exceptional warmth and candour of the conversation reflected the special nature of the Indo-US ties, as well as the friendship and mutual esteem between both leaders.

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Postby arshyam » 02 Jun 2020 22:44

Interesting that Modi expressed concern about the riots in the US. Is that normal practice, since it is technically an internal matter?

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arshyam wrote:Interesting that Modi expressed concern about the riots in the US. Is that normal practice, since it is technically an internal matter?

You're asking that after all the sanctimonious sermonizing and expressions of "concern" raised by the Americans every time there is some incident in India? Obama even had the audacity to try and lecture us about human rights while he was here, while back home the cops kept murdering his fellow black people and getting away with it.

If it isn't normal practice it should be made one. These riots and the incidents preceding it are showing the world the true colors of America.

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Postby saip » 03 Jun 2020 00:23

Even Trump is not exactly pro Hindu unless you go and support him. Then he will say Modi is his best friend but goes to make fun of his accent. He said during this pandemic Churches, Synagogues and Mosques should be open but did he say temples? He just plain forgot. We have do what is best for US (menaing individual 'us') and if that helps the other US (meaning the country), so be it and everything else is maya.

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Postby Mort Walker » 03 Jun 2020 01:29

saip wrote:Even Trump is not exactly pro Hindu unless you go and support him. Then he will say Modi is his best friend but goes to make fun of his accent. He said during this pandemic Churches, Synagogues and Mosques should be open but did he say temples? He just plain forgot. We have do what is best for US (menaing individual 'us') and if that helps the other US (meaning the country), so be it and everything else is maya.


Trump is pro himself and no one else. EJs are useful idiots for him. However, Trump gives India strategic breathing space. A great opportunity was lost to liberate POK in Feb. 2019, as the US would have said nothing or little at all. Just some tounge clicking and meaningless words from Trump administration.

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Postby hgupta » 03 Jun 2020 01:33

Deleted verbal diarrhea. You've already been politely asked once, so this time the politeness is not on offer:

What part of 'do not demand any particular view of US politics here' do you not understand ? You're entitled to whatever you believe about US politics. Others are entitled to whatever they do. You are NOT allowed to tell them what they should do here, or worse, indulge in namecalling.
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Postby Rony » 03 Jun 2020 02:50

Here we go again

U.S. Starts Probe Into Digital Tax Plans From EU to India

The Trump administration is starting investigations into digital services taxes considered by several trading partners from the European Union to India that could lead to tariffs being imposed on the countries’ exports to the U.S.

The probe announced Tuesday encompasses digital taxes that have been either adopted or are under consideration in Austria, Brazil, the Czech Republic, the EU, India, Indonesia, Italy, Spain, Turkey, and the U.K., according to the U.S. Trade Representative’s office in Washington. The move seeks to determine whether levies on electronic commerce discriminate against American tech giants like Apple Inc., Alphabet Inc.’s Google and Amazon.com Inc.

A so-called section 301 investigation by USTR can take months before a decision is made on whether to impose tariffs. The U.S. used the same avenue to conclude wrongdoing by China that led to tariffs on some $360 billion in goods from world’s second-largest economy.

USTR has launched and completed a 301 probe into France’s digital services tax regime but held off on levying duties on the country as the two sides are negotiating a global regime at the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.

A USTR spokesman didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment. A spokesman for Google declined to comment on the investigation but said the company is against “unilateral taxes.”

The investigations are a rare area of bipartisan agreement in Washington. Senators Chuck Grassley and Ron Wyden, the top Republican and Democrat on the Senate Finance Committee, said in a joint statement that the USTR is “appropriately examining” the digital taxes that “unfairly target and discriminate against U.S. companies.”

Tax Conundrum

The OECD is trying to find agreement among almost 140 countries on a global tax overhaul to address how multinationals -- particularly tech giants -- are taxed in the countries where they have users or consumers.

India in April expanded a digital tax that’s been in place since 2016, making it much broader than those in Europe. Spain is preparing a digital tax that would go into effect if no international agreement is reached by the end of this year.

The tax is in line with the EU proposal and initiatives already approved in other countries such as France and Italy, a press officer for the Spanish government said. It doesn’t discriminate against any company based on its nationality and will be applied objectively, based on a firm’s’ revenue and under the premise that taxes be paid wherever profits are earned, the person said.

Several other European countries -- including Austria, France, Hungary, Italy, Turkey and the U.K. -- have already announced plans for a digital services tax. Many others, including the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Latvia, Norway and Slovenia, have discussed implementing one.

Tuesday’s announcement could be a bone of contention in just-started U.S.-U.K. talks toward a free-trade agreement.

OECD officials are pushing to stick to an original deadline to reach an agreement this year, despite setbacks from the global pandemic, however some officials have already acknowledged the project could spill into 2021.

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Postby m_saini » 03 Jun 2020 06:14

Rony wrote:Here we go again


They can probe all they like but they can't win a trade war against EU, India, Brazil etc while simultaneously fighting the chinese. In any case interesting times ahead.

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Postby arshyam » 03 Jun 2020 07:08

nachiket wrote:
arshyam wrote:Interesting that Modi expressed concern about the riots in the US. Is that normal practice, since it is technically an internal matter?

You're asking that after all the sanctimonious sermonizing and expressions of "concern" raised by the Americans every time there is some incident in India? Obama even had the audacity to try and lecture us about human rights while he was here, while back home the cops kept murdering his fellow black people and getting away with it.

If it isn't normal practice it should be made one. These riots and the incidents preceding it are showing the world the true colors of America.

I am all for expressing concern and even offering advice, if needed. Heck, it's time we release reports on US human rights abuses since they don't actually have a watchdog and we can help given our experience.

But, I am also trying to understand diplomatese - wherein there is a line (to some extent, self-imposed) between meddling and staying away. Our stated foreign policy stance is to not interfere in others' internal issues, so where does "expressing concern" fall? Are we crossing that line or not? If so, then the HR report is only a matter of time...

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Postby NRao » 03 Jun 2020 08:24

arshyam wrote:
nachiket wrote:You're asking that after all the sanctimonious sermonizing and expressions of "concern" raised by the Americans every time there is some incident in India? Obama even had the audacity to try and lecture us about human rights while he was here, while back home the cops kept murdering his fellow black people and getting away with it.

If it isn't normal practice it should be made one. These riots and the incidents preceding it are showing the world the true colors of America.

I am all for expressing concern and even offering advice, if needed. Heck, it's time we release reports on US human rights abuses since they don't actually have a watchdog and we can help given our experience.

But, I am also trying to understand diplomatese - wherein there is a line (to some extent, self-imposed) between meddling and staying away. Our stated foreign policy stance is to not interfere in others' internal issues, so where does "expressing concern" fall? Are we crossing that line or not? If so, then the HR report is only a matter of time...


It just could be to score some points with the Dems who just may come to power across the board.

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Postby chanakyaa » 03 Jun 2020 08:29

USCIRF 2020 Annual Report
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USCIRF recommends 14 countries to the State Department for designation as “countries of particular concern” (CPCs) because their governments engage in or tolerate “systematic, ongoing, egregious violations.” These include nine that the State Department designated as CPCs in December 2019—Burma, China, Eritrea, Iran, North Korea, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Tajikistan, and Turkmenistan—as well as five others—India, Nigeria, Russia, Syria, and Vietnam.
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Just hot off the press... June 2, 2020
Executive Order on Advancing International Religious Freedom
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Sec. 6. Economic Tools. (a) The Secretary and the Secretary of the Treasury shall, in consultation with the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs, and through the process described in National Security Presidential Memorandum-4 of April 4, 2017 (Organization of the National Security Council, the Homeland Security Council, and Subcommittees), develop recommendations to prioritize the appropriate use of economic tools to advance international religious freedom in countries of particular concern, countries on the Special Watch List, countries in which there are entities of particular concern, and any other countries that have engaged in or tolerated violations of religious freedom as noted in the report required by section 102(b) of the Act. These economic tools may include, as appropriate and to the extent permitted by law, increasing religious freedom programming, realigning foreign assistance to better reflect country circumstances, or restricting the issuance of visas under section 604(a) of the Act.

(b) The Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State, may consider imposing sanctions under Executive Order 13818 of December 20, 2017 (Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption), which, among other things, implements the Global Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability Act (Public Law 114-328).
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Postby schinnas » 03 Jun 2020 09:26

There are three angles to this:

1. India angle:
I was very clear that placing India on CPC would not have happened without US state dept or whitehouse nod. With eradication of NGOs and proliferation of SM that made US cultivation of Indian press redundant, US was losing leverage over India. Is this a way of US getting it's leverage back?


2. Evanjihadi lobby: Another possibility is that the evangelical elements in Trump sarkar went overboard and pulled it off without formal clearance from POTUS. One of the Trump appointees voted against including India in the list.

3. China angle:
US is planning to use this to sanction China.

What about the timing?
Is this a warning to the foreign powers instigating these riots in the US or just a part of the cold war against China?

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Postby Mort Walker » 03 Jun 2020 10:22

schinnas wrote:There are three angles to this:

1. India angle:
I was very clear that placing India on CPC would not have happened without US state dept or whitehouse nod. With eradication of NGOs and proliferation of SM that made US cultivation of Indian press redundant, US was losing leverage over India. Is this a way of US getting it's leverage back?


2. Evanjihadi lobby: Another possibility is that the evangelical elements in Trump sarkar went overboard and pulled it off without formal clearance from POTUS. One of the Trump appointees voted against including India in the list.

3. China angle:
US is planning to use this to sanction China.

What about the timing?
Is this a warning to the foreign powers instigating these riots in the US or just a part of the cold war against China?


1. Placing India or any other country on the CPC does not have coordination with executive branch,that is DoS and Whitehouse. They may be given broad leeway, and if Israel was placed on such a list, then you would see someone in the executive branch complain about it. USCIRF is a congressional commission where commissioners are appointed between the executive branch and legislative branch leadership. The USCIRF does not answer to a cabinet level secretary. This distinction is important to understand how the US government works so that we can draw the correct analogous parallels to the GoI, if one exists.

2. The EJ lobby is strong. Trump needs these nuts for re-election and lets them run around with a bible wrapped in an American flag for his benefit.

3. This is one more stick to beat China and if India is lumped in there, then that's okay because they can tell the Chinese. See we're not discriminating...

4. USCIRF is influenced by congress. If next year, parties in charge of congress and the executive branch change, then we may see Republican appointees criticize India and the other side leave India out due to coordination between congress and the executive branch. I doubt that happens, due to the party's appeasment of Islamists, but it is a possibility.

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Postby Manish_Sharma » 03 Jun 2020 15:13

hgupta wrote:Mort, please take your anti Democrat Party BS rant somewhere else. I am not interested in seeing BR becoming a pro Republican forum.


Look at this hgupta supporter of Anti-Bharat Bernie Sanders, Clintons, Biden, john Kerry and whole Democrats Party. How during CAA protests Democrats biden bernie were spewing venomous lies against Bharat.

The Clintons' Quarter-Century Record on India.

1991: Arkansas Governor and presidential candidate Bill Clinton delivers foreign policy speech and describes plans to interfere in “separatist efforts” in India and Yugoslavia .

1992: Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton promises during his presidential campaign that he will use Super 301, a law designed to impose trade sanctions impacting India

1992: US Trade Representative Carla Hills who turns out to be a Hillary Clinton supporter imposes trade sanctions on India under Super 301

1992: Joe Biden Amendment blocks sale of Russian Cryogenic engines to India

1993: Bill Clinton blocks sale of Cray Supercomputers to India

1993: Bill Clinton administration to sell Cray Supercomputer to China

1993: Bill Clinton supports terrorists in Punjab leading to protests in India outside US embassy (protests happened in early 1994 but support was in late 1993)

1993: Bill Clinton writes to Pakistan lobbyist and offers to work together on Kashmir

1993-94: Bill Clinton does not bother to appoint ambassador to India for more than a year in order to insult India

1994: Clinton’s close friend and Assistant Secretary of State Robin Raphel says Kashmir should not be part of India

1994: Bill Clinton supports Pakistan on Kashmir and accuses India of human rights violations

1994: Bill Clinton administration official sets fire to Indian skirt on TV and declares them a fire hazard hurting Indian textile sector and destroying livelihoods of millions of families who depend on the sector

1994: Bill Clinton targets Indian pharmaceutical industry for destruction by foisting TRIPS provisions as part of WTO

1994: Bill Clinton administration offers F-16 planes to Pakistan and Robin Raphel announces offer from Delhi

1994: Bill Clinton administration pursues carrot and stick policy (carrots for Pakistan, sticks for India): announces F-16s for Pakistan and threatens India with trade sanctions under Super 301

1995: Bill Clinton Appointee declares Indian scarves flammable and orders recall hurting Indian textile industry

1995: Bill Clinton administration foists bad Enron deal on India and forces Indian government to provide guarantees

1996: Bill Clinton sets up ‘Advisory Committee on Religious Freedom Abroad’ with aim of forcing Hindus in India to convert to Christianity and this Committee eventually recommends the creation of the hate group USCIRF

1997: Bill Clinton’s friend and Assistant Secretary of State Robin Raphel announces Clinton administration’s policy of opposing Russian collaboration with India for electricity generation and weapons of defense

1997: Bill Clinton’s Vice President Al Gore refers to Punjab as Khalistan

1998: Bill Clinton imposes sanctions on India

1998: Bill Clinton preaches to India on nuclear tests and simultaneously announces MFN status for China

1998: Bill Clinton’s Secretary of State Madeleine Albright spews vitriol on India and calls India’s actions “felony against the future.”

1999: Bill Clinton tries to impose stringent labor standards on India that would destroy Indian businesses and eliminate competition for Clinton’s cronies

2000: Bill Clinton administration interferes in India and organizes hearing on “human rights violations” based on fabrications about violations of religious freedom

2000: Bill Clinton visits Pakistan on India trip and thus equates India with Pakistan and confers legitimacy on Musharaff who took power in a coup

2001: Hillary Clinton does not oppose Senate vote to remove sanctions on Pakistan

2001: USCIRF, a hate group and creation of Bill Clinton administration, spews vitriol and stereotypes Hindus as “serious violators of religious freedom” and demands that US government ensure that [forced] conversions be permitted in India

2002: USCIRF, a hate group and a creation of Bill Clinton administration, attacks India and Hindus and uses terms like “communal violence” while blaming Hindus; it simultaneously praises Musharaff for curbing “violence in the name of religion” in Pakistan. Note the careful usage of words to describe religious violence in Pakistan.

2003: Democrat Tom Daschle appoints anti-Hindu zealot Preeta Bansal to USCIRF, the hate group created by the Clinton administration, and is cheered by anti-Hindu Christian activists including the violent terrorist Jayachand Pallekonda

2003: Hillary Clinton supporter and India baiter Madeleine Albright, who was Bill Clinton’s Secretary of State, calls for a plebiscite in Kashmir

2004: Hillary Clinton exhibits bigotry and claims Mahatma Gandhi ran a gas station in St. Louis

2005: Hillary Clinton causes outrage by calling for India to give up nuclear program and reconcile itself to non-proliferation treaty

2005: Bill Clinton calls for giving aid money to terror group LTTE

2006: Hillary Clinton who is part of the Senate India Caucus stabs India in the back and votes YEA on ‘killer amendment’ to bill in US Senate that deals with Indo-US Nuclear deal; the amendment is intended to kill the deal and set back Indo-US relations by 30 years

2007: Hillary Clinton booed when she defends Musharaff and attacks Senator Obama for saying he would attack Pakistan and take out Osama bin Laden

2007: Hillary Clinton’s fundraiser is organizer of LTTE Heroes Day which celebrates terrorists

2008: Hillary Clinton once again attacks Senator Obama for promising to act against Pakistan for supporting terrorists

2009: Hillary Clinton says she is proud to release report of anti-Hindu hate group USCIRF which was formed on the advice of a Committee consisting of Christians, Muslims and others but not Hindus (Click here to read about Hindus alone being excluded by Bill Clinton when the Office of Religious Freedom was created)

2009: Hillary Clinton backs talks with Taliban

2009-2012: Hillary Clinton carries on a get-Modi campaign against Narendra Modi

2012: Hillary Clinton declares ‘religious freedom,’ a euphemism for Christian proselytism (primarily in the Indian subcontinent), a foreign policy imperative

2013: Clinton Global Initiative partners with anti-Hindu evangelical Christian group World Vision

2014: Bill Clinton friend and former Assistant Secretary of State Robin Raphel investigated by FBI for spying for Pakistan

2015: Huma Abedin, a key member of Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign is the daughter of a Pakistani mother and her father worked for an Islamist in Saudi Arabia with ties to Al Qaeda

2015: Hillary Clinton’s running mate, Christian missionary and India-baiter Tim Kaine admits Pakistan has connections to terror group LeT but praises Pakistan for fighting terrorists and advises India to have a better relationship with Pakistan


2016: Clinton Foundation donor linked to Pakistani arrested for corruption and harboring terrorists

2016: Hillary Clinton picks Hindu-baiter and India hater Tim Kaine as VP running mate.
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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby darshan » 03 Jun 2020 17:56

@Mort, may be it's there but I didn't catch US ganging up on India for nuclear matters by acting as hired help of Chinese. Also, all the direct and indirect help to Chinese by Clinton. And, political instability in India post 1995. The list on slave makers can go on and on.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Mort Walker » 03 Jun 2020 19:14

Darshanji,

It is too bad some of the oldies like Ulanbatori are not here who know this history well and can show you the entire time line. The Dems in the 1990s were hoping for the Balkanization of India and were working hand in glove with the Chinese and Islamists towards this goal. It is also this decade where technology transfer to the Chinese was the greatest. Everything from missile guidance , rocket propulsion, W88 warhead design, and aerospace development.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby panduranghari » 03 Jun 2020 19:47

Wasnt Nixon elected when US was burning due to riots in 1968? Nixon was an outsider. Trump is an incumbent. If riots continue(seems they will for some time) and the S&P makes new high every week, Trump will win. As per astrology who many follow, November will see a massive spike in US dollar (its going up anyway) and also the market. Can Trump control the discourse until then?

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Suraj » 03 Jun 2020 21:38

Mod Note

One thing we do NOT want to see on BRF is our posters arguing foreign politics with each other and dividing each other in the process, i.e. blue on blue.

On here, you're BRF members posting in the context of India's wellbeing. You may think party D is best for that, or party R is. But that is entirely your prerogative. Do not attack one another for that belief. State the respective party policies and leave things as is.

Please do not under any circumstances bring the toxicity of US domestic political disputes on here. Or UK, or Vanuatu for that matter.

This is the fundamental reason for the mod action against poster hgupta. A comment like this is offensive and unwelcome here:
I am not interested in seeing BR becoming a pro-Republican forum

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