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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 26 Jul 2020 09:33
by Yagnasri
Trump win looks remote possibility as on now. Hope I am wrong.

Then entire seeds of PC BS in higher education coming to bite the people of the US in the a&&. That is what is happening now.

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 26 Jul 2020 22:22
by uskumar
Intel ‘stunning failure’ heralds end of era for US chip sector

Intel is considering outsourcing it's chip manufacturing. It is incredible turn around of a company which was at cutting edge. I feel Problems facing GE, Boeing and Intel all at same time marks the end of RnD empire of US.

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 29 Jul 2020 04:41
by m_saini
Kodak’s stock triples as company announces pandemic plan to start making pharmaceutical ingredients

The pandemic has heightened longstanding worries about pharmaceutical ingredients sourced in countries like China and India that are used to make U.S. medicines

The Trump administration’s $765 million loan to the Eastman Kodak Co. for its launch of a business making pharmaceutical ingredients sent shares of the iconic camera company soaring.

The Trump administration said the Kodak deal is the first of its kind, and uses powers afforded by the Defense Production Act. The administration previously used these powers to demand that Ford Motor Co. F, +1.15% begin manufacturing respirators and masks and that General Motors Co. GM, +2.45% make ventilators.

It awarded $354 million to Phlow Corp. in May to start producing active pharmaceutical ingredients, or API, among other chemical ingredients, used in certain essential medications. A spokesperson for Phlow said that the company can’t disclose the list of drugs but that it includes treatments for pain and blood pressure that can be used by hospitalized COVID-19 patients. The total contract is worth up to $812 million. Phlow cites a shift toward producing API in China and India as the rationale behind its business model.

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 29 Jul 2020 05:48
by vimal
^^ This has insider trading written all over it. Spike in trading volume right before the announcement means the news was leaked by insiders. Once Biden wins in November its back to normal us-chini bhai bhai and Kodak will go bust as usual.

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 29 Jul 2020 06:59
by m_saini
Agreed on the insider trading part. However, I'm still not convinced Biden wins in November. Yes, everything points towards it right now but one can be sure that Trump isn't going to go gently into that good night.

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 29 Jul 2020 18:38
by chetak
Indian media will be agog with Kamala Harris stories.

Public service announcement: She is NOT Indian. She has not even owned her Indian ancestry except for that stupid Mindy Kaling show.

India will NOT benefit from it. Stop showing inferiority. Celebrate real Indians.

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 29 Jul 2020 19:22
by KL Dubey
chetak wrote:Indian media will be agog with Kamala Harris stories.

Public service announcement: She is NOT Indian. She has not even owned her Indian ancestry except for that stupid Mindy Kaling show.

India will NOT benefit from it. Stop showing inferiority. Celebrate real Indians.


+100000000

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 29 Jul 2020 19:54
by KL Dubey
Yagnasri wrote:Trump win looks remote possibility as on now. Hope I am wrong.

Then entire seeds of PC BS in higher education coming to bite the people of the US in the a&&. That is what is happening now.


I think he will still win. Trump was looking even more remote at this time in 2016. NYT et al came up with this bizarre "probability of candidate winning"...Hillary was at 80-90% throughout the campaign.

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 29 Jul 2020 20:19
by saip
chetak wrote:Indian media will be agog with Kamala Harris stories.

Public service announcement: She is NOT Indian. She has not even owned her Indian ancestry except for that stupid Mindy Kaling show.

India will NOT benefit from it. Stop showing inferiority. Celebrate real Indians.

She considers herself black. Only time, I remember, she said about being Indian is when she said she asked her aunt (I am sure she pronounced it as ANT) in Chennai to break some coconuts for her senate victory. She will happily accept Indian money though.

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 29 Jul 2020 20:50
by Cain Marko
vimal wrote:^^ This has insider trading written all over it. Spike in trading volume right before the announcement means the news was leaked by insiders. Once Biden wins in November its back to normal us-chini bhai bhai and Kodak will go bust as usual.

Iirc up to 25% of all stock market deals are a result of insider trading.

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 29 Jul 2020 20:51
by Cain Marko
Yagnasri wrote:Trump win looks remote possibility as on now. Hope I am wrong.

Then entire seeds of PC BS in higher education coming to bite the people of the US in the a&&. That is what is happening now.

Don't be too sure. Iirc his popularity amongst minority populations is increasing and not the other way round

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 29 Jul 2020 22:18
by darshan
It didn't take long for brainwashing to start to sway voters.

Indian-American group commits USD 10 mn to support community members in US elections
https://www.wionews.com/india-news/indi ... ons-316637
With the USD 10 million amount, IMPACT plans to create a new programme to identify, elevate, and support Indian-American elected officials running for higher office, it said in a statement on Tuesday.

The announcement was welcomed by Indian-origin Senator Kamala Harris.

"I'm excited about the Indian-American community's growing engagement in the political process -- not just as an Indian American, but as someone who believes the more Americans of all ethnicities and backgrounds feel ownership in our democracy, the stronger our democracy will be," the California senator said.

"As IMPACT moves to its next phase of leadership, I look forward to being joined in the Capitol by even more Indian-Americans to move our country forward for everyone," she said.


Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 29 Jul 2020 22:22
by KJo
Kamala Harris may be the Dem VP candidate and may become VP someday. I am not euphoric or anything, as I have seen that it's a curse upon Hindus that many Hindus or half Hindus go abroad and become more forren than forreners. I fully expect her to make angry faces and evil eyes at India and talk down to India about "hooman rites rekurd" and "how muzzlims are treated". You will almost never see a Muslim person in the west say bad things about Saudi Arabia or Pakistan or about Islamic terrorism. If they do, then they are shut down quickly.

Looks like thanks to COVID, Trump may lose. Biden is Bad for India.

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 29 Jul 2020 22:29
by Kati
See how nicely US MSM has ducked the DT's sweeping drug pricing exec order. It is actually a game-changer, and will help millions of senior citizens who now will pay only pennies instead of a good chunk of their social security cheques. It's astonishing how the US MSM, under pressure from the big Pharma, is not talking about the salient / good points of the latest exec order.

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 29 Jul 2020 22:37
by saip
But, dont most senior citizens have medicare and pay only copay for medicines (paying at most $60 for three months per drug and only $10 for generics)?

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 29 Jul 2020 22:47
by darshan
Kati wrote:See how nicely US MSM has ducked the DT's sweeping drug pricing exec order. It is actually a game-changer, and will help millions of senior citizens who now will pay only pennies instead of a good chunk of their social security cheques. It's astonishing how the US MSM, under pressure from the big Pharma, is not talking about the salient / good points of the latest exec order.

Another main thing about it was how he laid out many details about how the consumer gets screwed by set ups in simple terms. One didn't catch that unless working within the pharma industry and ran pharmacies.

May be at some point he will lay down how churches and medical industries go together in profit making ventures.

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 29 Jul 2020 22:48
by m_saini
Medicare is a riddle on it's own. There are medicare A,b,c,d etc and they still have to cover deductibles on their own before medicare kicks in. then there is the infamous donut hole :rotfl:

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 29 Jul 2020 22:50
by darshan
And then there's many medical offices that don't accept Medicare clients with open arms or make it harder to go visit.

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 29 Jul 2020 23:18
by saip
m_saini wrote:Medicare is a riddle on it's own. There are medicare A,b,c,d etc and they still have to cover deductibles on their own before medicare kicks in. then there is the infamous donut hole :rotfl:

That donut whole is supposed to disappear until Trump happened. What I don't understand is if he hates Ombaba care so much why does he not bring something that is good, really good, the best in the Universe? BTW we still pay the Obama medicare tax which the republicans never removed.

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 29 Jul 2020 23:52
by m_saini
saip wrote:That donut whole is supposed to disappear until Trump happened. What I don't understand is if he hates Ombaba care so much why does he not bring something that is good, really good, the best in the Universe? BTW we still pay the Obama medicare tax which the republicans never removed.


not too knowledgeable about the politics behind it, most of what i know of medicare comes from one summer i spent 2 years ago selling medicare D for an insurance company. Though i did find an article saying the hole has closed. Anyway, what trump says and what trump does and what actually ends up happening are often world apart :mrgreen:

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 30 Jul 2020 01:32
by vimal
chetak wrote:Indian media will be agog with Kamala Harris stories.

Public service announcement: She is NOT Indian. She has not even owned her Indian ancestry except for that stupid Mindy Kaling show.

India will NOT benefit from it. Stop showing inferiority. Celebrate real Indians.


Add to that Ro Khanna, Pramila Jayapal, Kshama Sawant etc.
The only one who owns up to their Hindu root is the Tulsi Gabbard, who doesn't even have Indian ancestry.

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 30 Jul 2020 04:36
by m_saini
Check out the volume traded before the Kodak loan was made public and the value tripled.
https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/kodk/historical

From 74k to 1.6mil. Rich and connected americans are the kings of the world :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 30 Jul 2020 05:53
by vimal
saip wrote:
m_saini wrote:Medicare is a riddle on it's own. There are medicare A,b,c,d etc and they still have to cover deductibles on their own before medicare kicks in. then there is the infamous donut hole :rotfl:

That donut whole is supposed to disappear until Trump happened. What I don't understand is if he hates Ombaba care so much why does he not bring something that is good, really good, the best in the Universe? BTW we still pay the Obama medicare tax which the republicans never removed.


Most republicans oldies are ideologues, who like their leftie SJWs are good at finding fault with others but completely unable to find a policy based solution to anything. Republicans had 8 years to prepare a counter plan to Obamacare but they could not come up with one, why? Because there is no cheaper alternative to a single payer system like NHS. Same set of folks also blocked DTs infrastructure plan to reduce fiscal deficit. If this infrastructure plan had passed, millions of jobs would've been created and DT would be on the path to victory. And yet, these same folks have no problem funding trillion dollar wars on countries that they can't locate on a map.

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 30 Jul 2020 07:33
by darshan
How many millions were genocided under the cross?

New York State legislature’s flawed hate symbols bill stalls
https://www.hinduamerican.org/press/new ... ill-stalls
Today, the Hindu American Foundation (HAF) learned that New York State Assembly Bill A8545 will not be brought up by the Assembly Committee on Education.

“We appreciate that members of the New York State Senate and Assembly are open to hearing from Hindu Americans who, while supporting the spirit and intention of the legislation, have expressed deep concerns with the bill in its current form which inaccurately defines the swastika and ignores its origin and continued use as a positive, sacred religious symbol,” stated Taniel Koushakjian HAF Director of Public Policy.

Several Hindu American organizations and community members started petitions and awareness campaigns to educate New York state officials and the general public about the inaccuracies in the bill and the sacred meaning behind the swastika.

The New York State Senate passed companion legislation, S6648, on July 21, 2020. Of specific concern to Hindu Americans is the bill’s definition of the swastika as a symbol of Nazi Germany and therefore a symbol of hate, without explaining the historical origins and its use today as a symbol in various religions such as Hinduism, Sikhism, Jainism, and Buddhism. The language also missed the opportunity to acknowledge the significance of the symbol, referred to as the Whirling Log of Life, to many Native American tribes. The bill in its current form fails to explain the misappropriated use of the swastika by the Nazi party, which if incorrectly taught in public schools could endanger Hindu American students and expose them to inadvertent prejudice and hatred.

There are over 100,000 Hindu American students in the New York state public education system.

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 30 Jul 2020 07:50
by vimal
Why does nobody ban the hooked cross symbol that was the source of Nazi party symbol. Oh wait!

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 30 Jul 2020 09:59
by hanumadu
Google translate,
https://translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=de&tl=en&text=hakenkreuz, translate haukenkreuz to swastika. You can all suggest an edit and make it hooked cross. If enough people suggest, hooked cross might appear along with swastika or replace it altogether, assuming google plays fair.

Please click the link and suggest 'hooked cross' as the translation.

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 30 Jul 2020 18:23
by darshan
Haken by itself clearly translates to hook according to Google translate. However, the whole word still translates to swastika.

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 30 Jul 2020 19:15
by Shanmukh
The interesting point is that the Swastika for Hakenkreuz is an imposed translation. The Germans called it Hakenkreuz (hooked cross). The older French texts called it the `croix gammée' (cross with a gamma). However, the translation of `swastika' has become so popular that even in French these days, `svastika' and not `croix gammée' is being used. The whole thing goes to an English priest who called it Swastika in the 1950s, I believe. Till then, AFAIK, there was no one who considered it the `swastika'.

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 30 Jul 2020 19:27
by Deans
KL Dubey wrote:
chetak wrote:Indian media will be agog with Kamala Harris stories.

Public service announcement: She is NOT Indian. She has not even owned her Indian ancestry except for that stupid Mindy Kaling show.

India will NOT benefit from it. Stop showing inferiority. Celebrate real Indians.


+100000000


At least `not being Indian'; is better than being an Uncle Tom. Let's celebrate the real Indians who care about India.

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 30 Jul 2020 21:14
by darshan
How many times did Hitler or Nazis referred to their cross as swastika?
How many times did Jewish before WW2 used any words like save us from swastika?

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 30 Jul 2020 21:56
by vimal

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 30 Jul 2020 23:15
by Shanmukh
darshan wrote:How many times did Hitler or Nazis referred to their cross as swastika?


Have not seen it at all. For everyone - Rosenberg, Himmler, Hitler himself, Goebbels, etc - it was always `Hakenkreuz'.

How many times did Jewish before WW2 used any words like save us from swastika?


Despite reading a lot of Hebrew and English literature by Jews, I have never seen anyone use the word `Swastika' for the Hakenkreuz in the pre-1950 era. The word was introduced in an English translation by an English cleric, IIRC. And it has caught on from there, because no one wanted to think of it as the cross.

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 30 Jul 2020 23:23
by darshan
So from what I'm gathering is that two factions of Abrahamic religion didn't get along and one genocided another. To not look Abrahamic religion look bad, they decided to focus on Hitler and non Abrahamic heathen symbol.

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 31 Jul 2020 00:30
by m_saini
The peacefools iirc also made a deal with mussolini to get their own state, vatican, and also financial compensation for the loss of papal states. It was also agreed with Mussolini that catholic christianity would be the only state religion.

And today the pope roams around preaching people to reject extremism. Anyway, this is sadly how "it's done" in the real world and rather than getting salty about the hypocrisy, I think we should learn the lesson. The lesson that while the rolers were looking out for themselves, our leaders were busy convincing indians to go fight hitler in europe under the leadership of churchill. :roll:

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 31 Jul 2020 02:39
by Kedar
darshan wrote:So from what I'm gathering is that two factions of Abrahamic religion didn't get along and one genocided another. To not look Abrahamic religion look bad, they decided to focus on Hitler and non Abrahamic heathen symbol.


Success has many fathers while failure is an orphan. Had Hitler succeeded he would have been widely praised as a devout Christian.

Vatican and the Roman Church were strong supporters of Hitler and the Nazis. As were many other religious groups until he started losing.

All this paganism is just to shift the focus away because Christianity is also supposed to be also a pissfull religion. That is if you ignore minor transgressions like Holocaust, Inquisition, Pale of Settlement, Apartheid, and Crusades. These choti-moti galtiyan.

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 31 Jul 2020 03:14
by Kedar
m_saini wrote:The peacefools iirc also made a deal with mussolini to get their own state, vatican, and also financial compensation for the loss of papal states. It was also agreed with Mussolini that catholic christianity would be the only state religion.

And today the pope roams around preaching people to reject extremism. Anyway, this is sadly how "it's done" in the real world and rather than getting salty about the hypocrisy, I think we should learn the lesson. The lesson that while the rolers were looking out for themselves, our leaders were busy convincing indians to go fight hitler in europe under the leadership of churchill. :roll:


United States takes child abuse including child ***** very seriously and they should. Any common man even remotely charged with this goes thru hell and the punishment and penalties are very severe. Some Michigan State and Pennsylvania State University officials even got convicted for not doing much against Larry Nasser and Jerry Sandusky respectively. Within a month after Clinton assumed office in 1993 federal agents from ATF, FBI and other alphabet agencies conducted a raid on Branch Davidian in Waco, Texas that was run by a smaller sect of Christianity. There was an initial shootout and a siege that lasted two months. Ultimately the complex got burned down resulting in deaths of many men, women, and children. At the end of the day 4 federal agents and 82 Branch Davidian members were killed. The Attorney General Janet Reno's response was that they had to act because children were being abused. The charges of abuse were likely true but it could have been done in a much better way without resulting in those deaths.

Contrast this to the treatment of the Catholic Church. Abuse and molestation of minors especially young boys is very common and was not just confided to the US. It happened in Ireland, Mexico, South America, Africa and anywhere else Catholic churches are there. I am sure it has happened and is happening in India too. Worse is that the Church hierarchy took great pains to cover up the abuses and kept transferring the priests from one rectory to another. The Church has gotten away with just a slap on the wrist. Very few criminal charges and prosecution. Mostly civil lawsuits by victims, their families and their lawyers.

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 31 Jul 2020 08:42
by Vayutuvan
KL Dubey wrote:I think he will still win.


You are being too smug. Federalist Society co-founder distanced himself with sOnaa bandar a couple of hours back. I am sure I don't have to tell you how big that is.

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 31 Jul 2020 10:25
by ricky_v
The psyche of the west can be much clearly understood if one assumes human history to be ~450 years old, as is prevalent in the west. From this assumption, you have the following chronology:
1) Slavery existed with the europeans as masters and the sub-saharans as slaves; besides this, slavery never existed in any other form.
2) Democracy has been the norm of human civilisation.
3) The church of holocaustianity was established.
4) Traditional religion was found lacking and hyper consumerism filled the spiritual void.
From this, it is not difficult to grasp the modern western thought process. Civilisations like the ancient egpytians, romans, greeks, hindus are as relevant to them as dinosaur fossils; good for intellectual discourses, but not something that should exist in the current times.

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 31 Jul 2020 15:14
by pankajs
https://twitter.com/DerekJGrossman/stat ... 1203810304
Derek J. Grossman @DerekJGrossman

Welp, even more bad news for US-China relations. "Unfavorable [American] views of China reach new historic high, and a majority supports taking a tougher stand on human rights."
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https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020 ... -covid-19/ [Americans Fault China for Its Role in the Spread of COVID-19]

Around two-thirds of Americans (64%) say China has done a bad job dealing with the coronavirus outbreak. Around three-quarters (78%) place a great deal or fair amount of the blame for the global spread of the coronavirus on the Chinese government’s initial handling of the COVID-19 outbreak in Wuhan.
Hammering China on Wuhan virus plus its human rights record plus its trade practices could be the way forward for Trump for this elections.

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Posted: 31 Jul 2020 19:51
by Mort Walker
Vayutuvan wrote:
KL Dubey wrote:I think he will still win.


You are being too smug. Federalist Society co-founder distanced himself with sOnaa bandar a couple of hours back. I am sure I don't have to tell you how big that is.


You have to understand that Trump blurts out things to make the opposition go bonkers. He knows it means nothing, but is enough to make them crazy. The cofounder of the Federalist society is the typical old guard party response. These people will never win an election.