Haresh wrote:Tanaji wrote:Another point I have wondered: how is it that Pakistanis have such a disproportionate influence on Democrats in US and Labour in UK? Indians in these countries take pride in the fact that they are one of the highly educated, financially well off and successful minorities in their countries, ahead of the Pakistanis as well. And yet, the latter have more of an influence?
I can tell you from the UK PoV.
Those who shout the most, get the most.
No one screams and shouts and plays the victim more than the peaceful one's.
It is constant, their sense of victim hood, total disregard for any responsibility, constantly claiming to be hard done by.
Western leftist politics is about superficially caring for the poor/underprivileged/ Not individual ambition or responsibility. The wealthy, even moderately wealthy, the home owners, law abiding are despised by the left.
Us Indians, we don't do the entire victim hood business.We are the The wealthy, even moderately wealthy, the home owners, law abiding, ambitious, educated.
The left have a very superficial grasp of issues. If Kamala Harris had been asked when she was talking to about "The Kashmiris", who are the Kashmiris, what is the history of that region, can you please explain the demographics and how they have been changed over the centuries, she would have had no answer.
The peacefuls shout loud and a lot, we do not. I have said too many Indians, we will be next, don't support the palestinians, this is not unconnected. Now the left, and I am sure you have seen the banners to the effect "palestine and kashmir will be free"
We are too passive.Too divided. Divided by caste, regionalism etc.
What leaders that exist are leaders only amongst their own "Community" and that means caste.
I am quite aggressive in answering questions and high handedness from lefty patronising goras.
You should all be as well
In short, this is all about overarching identity. For both muslim and hindu Indian diaspora, national identity isn't the most important parameter of identity. For muslims it is the religious identity and for the hindus it is the regional identity or the caste identity. Sometimes the regional and caste identity fuses into one and other times, it may not. For instances a Kapu would be a Teluguite. But for a Kamma Naidu, the regional identity could be that of a Tamil or Telugu. That is because, a Kamma Naidu might traces his ancestry for a few generations at least to the land of Tamils. So it is natural for him to have an ambivalent attitude to any one dominant identity.