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The reason for the previous FS Sujatha Singh's abrupt departure may now have become clearer.

As part of the deep state congi boot licking darbaari's who held a large sway at the time, it looks like singh was jettisoned to teach recalcitrant and obdurate babooze an unforgettable lesson. she seems to have been running her own kingdom in the MEA, voting on personal whim and fancy at the UN without reference to the govt in power

Antony Blinken Visited New Delhi, And Brought Some Reality Checks With Him


Antony Blinken Visited New Delhi, And Brought Some Reality Checks With Him


Venu Gopal Narayanan
Jul 29, 2021

Antony Blinken Visited New Delhi, And Brought Some Reality Checks With Him



US Secretary of State, Antony Blinken, in New Delhi (Twitter)


Snapshot
Many 'commentators' of foreign policy were let down by what US Secretary of State, Antony Blinken, said and didn't during his two-day India visit.

In a sense, this feeling of being terribly let down by America represents their extreme disconnect from realpolitik.


American Secretary of State Antony Blinken’s two-day visit to New Delhi this week was closely shadowed by hubbub in disparate spheres. The most strident agitations were from the Left Liberal jamaat, who expected Blinken to rap India sharply on the knuckles for a variety of misdemeanors, like a school marm chastising a truant ward.

Long, anguished op-ed pieces competed with desperate tweets for readers’ attention so fervently, that one might have been forgiven for thinking that an Occidental reprimand was the sole agenda point on Blinken’s visit. This time, yea, this time, President Biden’s chief envoy would surely deliver a rocketing for the ages.

That was odd, because the real world was, in fact, buzzing with diplomatic activity, as a number of state and non-state actors sought to bookend Blinken’s visit to New Delhi, by posing in richly-symbolic postures on the world stage.

Chinese Premier Xi Jinping, for example, made a dramatic visit to Nyingchi airfield just days before Blinken’s plane touched down at Palam. The airfield lies in southern Tibet on the Brahmaputra, hardly a dozen miles from the Arunachal border. Coming as it did when Indian and Chinese troops are still tightly engaged on the border, this gesture had all the subtlety of a rhino in a coffee shop, or a carnation in a sea of lilies.

Pakistan’s National Security advisor, Moeed Yusuf, gave an affable interview to an Indian journalist; again, just days before Blinken’s visit began. The bonhomie displayed was illuminating, as was the first name basis employed. (This very curious interview will be analysed separately, in a forthcoming piece)

The Met department reported that it was raining QUADs. Even as one quadrilateral formulation between America, Japan, Australia and India progressed sluggishly, from fantasy to punctured reality (Blinken denied in Delhi that it had any military overtones), another of the quadratic variety sprang up overnight in Central Asia.

Apparently, an in-principle agreement has been arrived at between America, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Uzbekistan, ‘to boost regional connectivity’. The patent absurdity, of Pakistan and Afghanistan being forced to sit at the same table just so that America may retain a toehold in the region, precisely when a Pakistan-backed Taliban is surging to take control of Afghanistan, was lost only on those without a sense of proportion.

Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan demonstrated his considerable diplomatic skills, by segueing this incipient Quad with a most profound statement: ‘I think the US has really messed it up in Afghanistan’. Honestly, with friends like these, who needs enemies? (Naturally, there was no reference to the infernal double game played by his own army during the whole wretched affair!)

At the same time, the Chinese hosted a Talibani delegation in Tianjin, China. Using the same sort of subtlety their leader displayed by landing in Nyingchi, the Chinese said that they could work with the Taliban, as long as these Pakistan- and Qatar-based Afghan leaders broke with the East Turkestan Islamic Movement by Uighur Muslims (ETIM).

Someone should tell Beijing that asking the Taliban to crack down on the ETIM is like asking the Baader-Meinhoff gang to crack down on the Italian Red Brigade (both were militant ultra-left outfits which conducted numerous terrorist acts in Europe during the 1970s, including the kidnapping and assassination of Aldo Moro, a former Italian Prime Minister).

Ironically, these discussions took place while Pakistani National Security Advisor Moeed Yusuf, and the head of their Inter Services Intelligence, were parked in Washington DC.

Meanwhile, India lodged a formal protest against the Turkish opening of a sealed town in disputed Cyprus. This was a follow-up to Foreign Minister Jaishankar’s unexpected visit to Greece last month, and a surprising decision to hold joint exercises between the Indian and Hellenic navies. A thin red line was being firmly drawn, to deter Turkey from harboring any lunatic notions of participation alongside Pakistan in the Afghan fracas.

At the same time, Indian Defense Minister Rajnath Singh departed quietly for Dushanbe in Tajikistan, to attend a Shanghai Cooperation Organization meeting (SCO; a still-born Asian Quad of sorts, including Russia, China, and Pakistan, inter alia).


And, for the bunting, leaders of Indian communist parties attended a virtual meet hosted by the Chinese Embassy in New Delhi, as part of the Chinese Communist Party’s centenary celebrations. It was a shameful act, any way you looked at it, and while the Communists will spin their arguments in self-defense on the freedom-of-expression line, everyone knows that the point isn’t legalistic, but moral.

So, while Blinken was in Delhi, you had Afghans talking to Chinese, Pakistanis talking to Americans, Imran Khan talking to the press, Indians talking to the Turks through the Greeks, Uzbeks talking to Afghans (the official ones, not the rebels), and a Pakistani talking to an Indian journalist about why India wasn’t talking to Pakistan.

With all that and more going on, and so many dots to connect, it seemed a little puerile that, the only topic of interest for our usual suspects, was when Blinken would give India a moral tongue-lashing of Jeffersonian proportions during his visit.


Those hopes were, however, heartlessly dashed by Blinken, who instead displayed an exceptional lack of exceptionalism. Rather than rudely castigate India for her democratic failings, and audaciously rap a ‘Hindu-nationalist-majoritarian’ government on home ground, for a multitude of sins, Blinken, on the contrary, went out of his way to publicly explain just how democratic India was.

We may well imagine the dismay of our caterwauling classes. In a sense, this feeling of being terribly let down by America represents the desperate depths our progressives have fallen to, and their extreme disconnect from realpolitik. Too much online outrage only enforces irrelevance, and can even be counterproductive, especially when there is so much happening simultaneously. Not to mention the gall of wishing interference by a foreign power on domestic matters.

Similarly, Blinken’s profound silence marks the Democrats’ dichotomy, of having to give up their usual sermonizing in the wake of yet another war lost, in favour of some hard-nosed damage control with the only democratic power of worth, east of the Suez Canal. As they’ve now learnt, there’s a lot more going on in this world than race, gender fluidity, or pronouns, and it is spelt: multipolarity. In addition, Blinken would have been warned about the actual agenda getting derailed by a local squall, in spite of how ideologically enticing it may have seemed.

Consequently, the geopolitical implications are: no matter how many seminars Brown or Yale University conducts, on the supposed illiberalism prevailing in India, and no matter how many op-eds are written by academicians on why Modi must go, hardly any of that ideological outrage will ever translate into American foreign policy vis-à-vis India. Not even, as we note from Blinken’s stoic statements, by lip service.


Besides, people should remember what happened the last time an American doyen of the liberal world came a-visiting to Delhi. Barack Obama’s Siri Fort auditorium speech was delivered on 27 January 2015, a day after he attended the Republic Day parade as our chief guest. In it, he expressed his gratitude to Indians, on Indian soil, by lecturing Indians on the merits of religious tolerance. He said: “India will succeed so long as it is not splintered along the lines of religious faith…” [italics, this writer’s]

Foreign Secretary Sujatha Singh, a Congress-era appointee, was given her marching orders the very next day; it was inconceivable that a foreign dignitary might make such insulting, insensitive, patronizing forecasts of India’s Balkanization, while on Indian soil as an official guest, without at least some sort of tacit, local approval. It was also Modi’s first, overt move towards draining the swamp, and the message hit home hard.

The Americans have, therefore, learnt to their chagrin that anyone taking a patronizing tone in Delhi is going to find themselves hopelessly Quad-less, and that is something America simply can’t afford. On the other hand, Blinken’s polite toeing of a pragmatic line, along with his disinclination to moralise on this visit, shows that the Lutyens lot is, in fact, expendable by America at the altar of harsher geopolitical realities.


Venu Gopal Narayanan is an independent upstream petroleum consultant who focuses on energy, geopolitics, current affairs and electoral arithmetic. He tweets at @ideorogue.
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Superb piece ! Thanks for posting it.
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Ditto!
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https://news.yahoo.com/waiting-garcetti ... p_catchall
LA Times
Waiting for Garcetti: India evaluates its ties with a post-Trump U.S.
Tracy Wilkinson, July 30, 2021

Eric Garcetti is not exactly a household name in India.
The Los Angeles mayor whom President Biden nominated to be his ambassador to New Delhi has raised questions for some Indians about whether U.S.-Indian ties might change after the Trump-era favored-nation status. Administration officials insist India remains a priority and a vital partner.
But few things can match the "Howdy, Modi" rally then-President Trump staged for Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in 2019 at a state fair in Houston. Modi responded in kind a few months later with a massive gathering billed as "Namaste, Trump" in India's Gujarat state. The two regularly heaped praise on each other, even as Modi's policies on human rights and democracy were criticized as abusive.
Garcetti, as a political appointee, has little expertise in India beyond several visits and a year of college study of two languages spoken here, Hindi and Urdu. He does not have much professional experience in diplomacy, although he has a master's in international relations and was a Rhodes scholar, and he chairs C40 Cities, a global network on climate change. Traditionally, U.S. envoys to New Delhi are steeped in knowledge of the complex, volatile region or have lofty credentials.
It may not matter.
"Overall, the trajectory of U.S.-India relations has been going steadily upward for two decades," said Vikram Singh, an India expert at the U.S. Institute for Peace's Asia Center. The changes in the relationship are more likely to be in form and efficiency, with the substantive issues too big to allow for major shifts in the dealings between the two countries, he said. Those include forming a bulwark against an aggressive China and U.S. requests for assistance on Afghanistan.
The relationship "won't be performative, as it was with Trump," Singh said. "It will be much more businesslike."
Garcetti did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Reaction in New Delhi to Garcetti's nomination has been subdued but generally positive.
In a leading newspaper, the Hindu, commentator K.V. Prasad took note of "unflattering" assessments of Garcetti on his home turf but added he would be welcome here. He gets high marks for what is perceived as a close friendship with Biden, whom he served as a national campaign co-chair in 2020.
"From the standpoint of India, what is important is that Mr. Garcetti can pick up the phone and talk to the President and the Vice-President when required to move the pieces to provide momentum to the bilateral ‘global strategic partnership,'" Prasad wrote.
Others are more dubious, especially given this delicate moment for India, with a flagging economy, devastation from the pandemic and worries about threats from its neighbors like China and Pakistan.
"Garcetti is a rather lightweight appointment," said Mumbai resident Kishore Mandhyan, a retired senior United Nations official. "The appointment of an ambassador to India who understands the regional situation, who understands the internal situation in India, who understands his own government is very important. You would normally want somebody who can hit the ground running."
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@Soumyadipta · Jul 21

30 US organisations pleaded with Joe Biden to put sanctions on India.

They don't like Narendra Modi and BJP but want economic sanctions imposed on India.

This is a pic from the press conference.

Tell me, how many Americans can you spot?

All Indian origins aren't Indians at heart.


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How it started............


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and How it's going (till now).......


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https://www.thequint.com/us-nri-news/us ... #read-more
Thirty organisations have already signed the resolution and there are more to join, the speaker reading the resolution mentioned. The signatories include Action Alliance to Redress 1219, Ambedkar International Center, American Muslim Institution, Association of Indian Muslims of America, Cambodian Development Foundation, Center for Pluralism, Church of Scientology National Affairs Office, Coalition Against Fascism in India, Coalition of Seattle Indian Americans, Council on American Islamic Relations among others.
Great ! BIFs are getting easier to identify.

Some strange organisations in the partial list above:

Action Alliance to Redress 1219: Action Alliance to Redress 1219 is a group of international and Taiwanese legal, religious, and human rights specialists working to restore the truth about the ongoing persecution of Tai Ji Men in Taiwan (!) :roll:

Ambedkar International Center: AIC is a completely democratic organization run by elected executive board ! Every 2 years new executive board comes and continues to drive the mission at their full potential.
Current Executive Board Feb 2021 - Jan 2023 is as follows and reachable at board@ambedkarinternationalcenter.org
1. Sanjay Kumar, President
2. Rakesh G, Vice President
3. Archana G, Secretary
4. Mahesh W, Treasurer
5. RamKrishna B, Board Member
6. Mahesh G, Board Member
7. Chitra B, Board Member
8. Mahendra K, Board Member
9. Takshak N, Board Member

American Muslim Institution - https://www.americanmusliminstitution.o ... d-members/

Association of Indian Muslims of America : (aiee maa :rotfl: ) https://www.aim-america.org/bod.html

Cambodian Development Foundation (?!) :roll:

Center for Pluralism (Canadian one or the Aga Khan one?)

Church of Scientology National Affairs Office :rotfl:

Coalition Against Fascism in India : no website, only fb & twitter pages
see: https://www.newslaundry.com/2020/09/25/ ... -narrative

Coalition of Seattle Indian Americans - no website, only fb & twitter pages

Council on American Islamic Relations https://www.cair.com/about_cair/nationa ... directors/

Hope GoI takes note of these worthies.
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chetak wrote:
@Soumyadipta · Jul 21

30 US organisations pleaded with Joe Biden to put sanctions on India.

They don't like Narendra Modi and BJP but want economic sanctions imposed on India.

This is a pic from the press conference.

Tell me, how many Americans can you spot?

All Indian origins aren't Indians at heart.


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The filthy successors and DNA of Jaichands and Mir Jaffars.

How Ugly and Constipated they look :lol:
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The below is from 'Ambedkar International Center' website
Ambedkar International Center (AIC) is an Ambedkarites’ organization in the United States of America, with its headquarters in the heart of the US capital. AIC’s aim is to spread Ambedkar’s philosophy to the western world. To achieve this, we are planning to build an Ambedkar intellectual memorial near Whitehouse, USA. . It will serve as a “Statue of Equality” like “Statue of Liberty”, a gift by the French to the US.
And this is what they are proposing to build on the edge of Potomac river in the heart of Washington DC :wink:

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I wonder how many young and old fall for these charlatans who are using Ambedkar's good name to further their own nefarious agenda.
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Hope Indian embassy is profiling them. We need a "Jaichand Act" to jail Indians who reside on foreign soil and work against Indian interests, ask for invasion / sanctions against India or its democratically elected leaders. Jail these two-bit traitors with extreme prejudice.
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Most of them are not Indians but have long accepted citizenships of foreign countries but that does not stop them from linking up with resident Indian traitors, sepoys and 5th columnists to further their agendas. What is incredible and sometimes ironic are the forces that have come together over the past 4 or 5 decades to hurt India - the church, the radical islamists, dravidian and Khalistani separatists, the "ambedkarite/periyarite" crowd and ofcourse our eminent marxist intellectuals. In rest of the world these forces have been baying for each other's blood for centuries but when it comes to India they all have forgotten their differences and have joined forces.
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Ambar wrote:And this is what they are proposing to build on the edge of Potomac river in the heart of Washington DC :wink:
That looks majestic! GoI should support whatever org is pushing for this.

Maybe this way the International center can realize what the amerikis *really* think of them :mrgreen:
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Indeed, GoI could support them. Columbians should also support them. Their goal is unobjectionable -
AIC’s aim is to spread Ambedkar’s philosophy to the western world.
I also wonder why South Asian origin lawmakers are not helping them more to get this center built.
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What does Antony Blinken’s firm but graceful refusal to pass judgement on India show?


What does Antony Blinken’s firm but graceful refusal to pass judgement on India show?

There is just too much at stake in Indo-US relationship to let self-righteousness taint it.

Oopali Operajita |
August 3, 2021

Blinken (verb): to assiduously and tactfully refuse to be drawn into controversy; to maintain pivotal, cordial relationships, notwithstanding a cacophony of patently instigated noises, and, thereby, render those noises irrelevant.

The recent visit to India by the US Secretary of State, Antony Blinken, cemented the robust and time-tested relations between the world’s largest and oldest democracies. On the agenda for urgent discussion: Covid-19, Afghanistan, the Quad, and a raft of other pressing matters that could brook no delay. In the wake of this visit, and, in particular, the press conference that he and India’s External Affairs Minister, S Jaishankar, held at the conclusion of their talks, there was a flurry of articles trying to gloss over the fact that Blinken categorically — and graciously, in deference to accepted diplomatic protocol — refused to be drawn into any kind of commentary on India’s internal affairs. These articles epitomise a refusal to accept what is true. If only he had cried havoc and let slip the dogs of war! We might work ourselves into a lather all we want, and read dozens of meanings into his statements on both democracies, but the truth is that Blinken assiduously avoided being judgemental about India, saying that he approached India with a sense of “humility”. He alluded to our democracies as “works in progress” and offered up tangible praise for India as a democracy. I, therefore, name this sage diplomatic strategy the art of Blinkening, infused with fresh meaning and depth as it has been, by Antony Blinken. There is just too much at stake in this crucial relationship to let self-righteousness taint it. It takes a large dollop of naïveté to assume that any leader is simply going to jump into an arena now populated by activists and belligerent mediapersons, and, thereby, jeopardise important bilateral relations. The real world does not work that way. The very act of requesting another nation to interfere in India’s internal affairs is both immature and treacherous, and epitomises our colonial hangover.

Calling the US-India relationship “one of the most consequential relationships we have with any country on earth,” Blinken added: “Finally, our bilateral relationship is strengthened by our shared values. As two of the world’s leading democracies, we take seriously our responsibilities to deliver freedom, equality and opportunity to all of our people … Part of the promise of democracy is the constant striving for better. Those values are at the heart of our democratic systems. They’re at the core of the vast array of partnerships connecting our countries, not only between our governments but also between our private sectors, universities, civil societies, and most of all between our people.” As someone whose professional and personal investment in, and connection with, North America dates back to 1980, and whose areas of specialisation are cross-cultural communication, international relations, and public policy, I believe I have a reasonably accurate take on exactly what Blinken meant. He was not fudging around; what he said, with discernible eloquence, came from the heart.

In the above context, a couple of comments in the media need responses: One Indian journalist thinks Blinken “waffled painfully, trying his best to say nothing when asked about the Modi government’s democratic backsliding. But Dr S Jaishankar leapt in, right after, to reveal the three issues the US raised with India.” This is inaccurate, and sheer fabrication: I watched the press conference live. Blinken chose to reply first, to Courtney McBride of The Wall Street Journal, when she asked him about his perception of India as a democracy, and here is an excerpt from what he said: “I’m happy to start … The most remarkable democratic elections in the world, in many ways, are here in India, just by sheer numbers. It’s the largest expression of free political will by citizens anywhere on earth … And we celebrate that the world’s oldest and the world’s largest democracies are dedicated at heart to a shared set of values that I believe will ensure not only the success of democracy, but the success of the relationship between India and the United States.” Now, for someone who was trying to say nothing, Blinken said rather a lot, and there wasn’t the slightest trace of a waffle or discomfiture in his response.

In a predictably wilful and schismatic map of misreading, a writer at another daily refers, in a tweet, to her article which magnifies, out of proportion, Blinken’s discussion of “CAA, love jihad and farmers’ protests with civil society representatives”, hoping, desperately, to delineate this meeting as the reason for a US Secretary of State’s India visit. This is a risible and misfired attempt to diminish the centrality and positive outcome of the Blinken-Jaishankar dialogue, and the Blinken-Modi meeting, as if they were postscripts.


All those manufactured and spurious correlations, the hectoring and the cotton candy cozenage — they were all astutely banished. “Blinkened”, if you will. Blinken complimented India as a strong and resilient democracy, on more than one occasion, and with elegance. India now looks forward to President Biden’s visit.

The writer is a Distinguished Fellow at Carnegie Mellon University. Views are personal
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Ambar wrote:Most of them are not Indians but have long accepted citizenships of foreign countries but that does not stop them from linking up with resident Indian traitors, sepoys and 5th columnists to further their agendas. What is incredible and sometimes ironic are the forces that have come together over the past 4 or 5 decades to hurt India - the church, the radical islamists, dravidian and Khalistani separatists, the "ambedkarite/periyarite" crowd and ofcourse our eminent marxist intellectuals. In rest of the world these forces have been baying for each other's blood for centuries but when it comes to India they all have forgotten their differences and have joined forces.
Better yet, MEA should cancel all of their visitor visas and immediately family’s visitor visas too. Spouse, children and parents who are not Indian citizens.
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All that will hand them a convenient stick to beat us with, and a martyr tag as well. Portals like the troll and liar will be ready to provide their entire platforms to amplify their voice, and waste everyone's time. Just keep quiet, and tie their Indian records with a lot of red tape. So when they try to enter India next time, tell them to produce their old PIO cards issued during Vajpayee's time since the data is not showing up in the system, etc. Same for any farmland or property they own - quietly issue summons to justify holding agricultural land when the law prohibits them from doing so. There are some advantageous to having a vast bureaucracy, this is one place to use it. By keeping it individual and on a case by case basis, they cannot allege any systematic response from GoI, and their voice won't carry as far (they'll still outrage on the liar and other portals, but will now come across as entitled and embittered foreigners who are angry because they were in violation of Indian law).

Even if we don't do anything, these people have opened themselves up to being marked by the intel types. That itself is a good thing. Any intel agency will appreciate such "self-outing" folks - it reduces some their workload :)
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Ambar wrote: Snip.

I wonder how many young and old fall for these charlatans who are using Ambedkar's good name to further their own nefarious agenda.
This is more reflective of the inadequacy of the minds of these people then it is of anything that India or United States are thinking or planning to do.
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via@ragarwal
Rancid racism and necrotic neo-colonialism: "trade their usual morning fare of oily bread and greasy gravy"

In 1994 @KelloggsUS claimed it would change India's breakfast habits....
And now.....



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Nice. So their plan was I should ditch dosa, idli, appam, roti, sambhar, dal etc and eat corn based crap coming from a land that scarf down grits, gravy, bacon, sausage, ham, butter etc?

And we always had Champion cone flakes. So it is not like we did not know the rubbish
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hnair wrote:Nice. So their plan was I should ditch dosa, idli, appam, roti, sambhar, dal etc and eat corn based crap coming from a land that scarf down grits, gravy, bacon, sausage, ham, butter etc?

And we always had Champion cone flakes. So it is not like we did not know the rubbish
Don’t knock corn flakes. They’re good when roasted with peanuts, jeera, lal mirch, kali mirch, mustard seed and haldi.
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^Kari patta as well.

Also: "virtually unknown cornflake?" Please. I am from a very ordinary middle-class family and I had tried Mohun Cornflakes as a child even in the 1980s.
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Cyrano wrote:https://www.thequint.com/us-nri-news/us ... #read-more
Thirty organisations have already signed the resolution and there are more to join, the speaker reading the resolution mentioned. The signatories include Action Alliance to Redress 1219, Ambedkar International Center, American Muslim Institution, Association of Indian Muslims of America, Cambodian Development Foundation, Center for Pluralism, Church of Scientology National Affairs Office, Coalition Against Fascism in India, Coalition of Seattle Indian Americans, Council on American Islamic Relations among others.
Great ! BIFs are getting easier to identify.

Some strange organisations in the partial list above:

Action Alliance to Redress 1219: Action Alliance to Redress 1219 is a group of international and Taiwanese legal, religious, and human rights specialists working to restore the truth about the ongoing persecution of Tai Ji Men in Taiwan (!) :roll:
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I looked a bit further into these guys. Pretty funny story!

So the background is that there is a religious sect called Falun Gong/Falun Dafa in PRC. They observe a form of qi gong and share many overlapping concepts with dharmic philosophies.

Anyway, around the 1990s the CPC started brutally persecuting Falun Gong members. Disappearing them, harvesting their organs, all kinds of things. However, Falun Gong had many followers among the Chinese diaspora and they have done a great job of organizing and fighting back-- political activism, generating awareness, you name it. One of their web portals is now a significant news source, The Epoch Times, in the USA. They have a very strong presence in Australia and some European countries as well. I've seen quite a few of their rallies in NYC over the years, and they were always well-attended.

PRC of course considers Falun Gong to be a front for mischief-making by Culinary Institute and Taiwan. So what they have done in retaliation is to invent some completely bogus sect called Tai Ji Men, and accuse the Taiwanese government (probably falsely) of having "persecuted" this sect. This is PRC's way of claiming that they, too stand up for "human rights"... while smearing Taiwan as having poor religious freedom.

In effect this is the same as Zaid Zaman Hamid (or Moeed Yusuf) responding to evidence of Pakistan's jihadi terror campaign against India, with bogus counter-accusations of India supporting terrorism in Pakistan. You remember: "Colonel Prohit and Sadhvi bombed the Samjhauta Express", that kind of thing.

Here is a lifafa article (paid for by PRC/MSS) in the California Patch about this Tai Ji Men organization. Look at the vast number of protestors gathered in the picture :mrgreen:

https://patch.com/california/diamondbar ... t-24-years

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Of course, as a PRC front, it is hardly surprising that anything associated with Tai Ji Men e.g. "Action Alliance to Redress 1219" has lent itself to the BIF aandolanjeevis demanding sanctions against Ebhil Mudi's India.
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Rudradev wrote:^Kari patta as well.

Also: "virtually unknown cornflake?" Please. I am from a very ordinary middle-class family and I had tried Mohun Cornflakes as a child even in the 1980s.
makka aTukulu could be had in great quantities. Literally basketfuls. One sends a kuncheDu makkalu to the local [pElaala vaaLLu[/i], who will do make them into flakes for you. They keep a a quarter of the corn kernels as their payment. They will sell those after processing to get cash.

Same with jonnalu (Sorghum). One can get poped sorghum back from the local bhatti. They used to be so fresh, one could even feel their warmth.

Kellog's school at NW is known for its marketing department. :rotfl:
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Mort Walker wrote:
hnair wrote:Nice. So their plan was I should ditch dosa, idli, appam, roti, sambhar, dal etc and eat corn based crap coming from a land that scarf down grits, gravy, bacon, sausage, ham, butter etc?

And we always had Champion cone flakes. So it is not like we did not know the rubbish
Don’t knock corn flakes. They’re good when roasted with peanuts, jeera, lal mirch, kali mirch, mustard seed and haldi.
yes, with just a hint of cold pressed coconut oil or mustard oil per preference.

hnair ji,

the amerikis are always out to educate the natives and to convert them to their own superior ways.

That monstrosity of a fast food company called taco bell has just opened and nothing on the menu there seems right for the Indian tongue
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chetak wrote:yes, with just a hint of cold pressed coconut oil or mustard oil per preference.
Actually I love a hint of cold pressed tEl (cold pressed sesame oil - sesame is native to the subcontinent).
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Vayutuvan wrote:
chetak wrote:yes, with just a hint of cold pressed coconut oil or mustard oil per preference.
Actually I love a hint of cold pressed tEl (cold pressed sesame oil - sesame is native to the subcontinent).
missed that one, should have included it.
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I recommend Spam to Indians and also the attendant effigies of DC 3s.
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GA Governor Kemp declared Aug 15 as the India date and issued a proclamation. Part of the proclamation says "..India’s non-violent struggle for freedom, its rejection of terrorism and extremism, and its belief in democracy,.." Burnol time for Pakis
MN also declared Aug 10th as India Day.
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Rudradev wrote:^Kari patta as well.

Also: "virtually unknown cornflake?" Please. I am from a very ordinary middle-class family and I had tried Mohun Cornflakes as a child even in the 1980s.
I am from a very ordinary middle-class family and I had tried Mohun Cornflakes as a child even in the 1960s :P
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Why fear the entry of fat filled, sugar filled, high caloric American fast food when we have our own Sunny Leone burger ? :rotfl:


Now match that you Amreekis :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Why not cut out all the unnecessary middle steps and just inject the fat into your veins directly?
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Errrr There will be trade mark and brand labeling issues. Mohterma SL has worked to her *** to make this brand. Ahh there was this L&M DHAGA to do vichar on such stratigical issues.
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Why the surprise? Such buttery, cheesy snacks have been there for years in India... especially western India.

Check out the video of Sardar Pav Bhaji of Mumbai... or practically any snack cart in Gujarat cities (check out random foodie YouTube videos of Surat, Vadodara, Ahmedabad). Butter and cheese abound. Doses, sandwich, pizzas, pav bhaji all will be literally bursting with cheese and butter. Inside and on top.

No offense intended, I have quite a few gujju friends, colleagues and neighbors here in Mumbai - almost all are crazy for cheese and butter and in recent years 'Mayo' .. almost half of them are diabetic, the remaining are well on the way to becoming diabetic..
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Tanaji wrote:Why not cut out all the unnecessary middle steps and just inject the fat into your veins directly?
live a little, sirji.

we will all depart one day, some sooner than others, no
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Manish_P wrote:Why the surprise? Such buttery, cheesy snacks have been there for years in India... especially western India.

Check out the video of Sardar Pav Bhaji of Mumbai... or practically any snack cart in Gujarat cities (check out random foodie YouTube videos of Surat, Vadodara, Ahmedabad). Butter and cheese abound. Doses, sandwich, pizzas, pav bhaji all will be literally bursting with cheese and butter. Inside and on top.

Yes I have seen those. Almost all of them put tons of gloopy white stuff and shred tons of cheese. It is almost like drown out any other flavours in preference to fat and salty, two of the most craved flavours.

I think these things are okay to have once, I dont think there is any great skill even from street food standards. Give me vada pao or dabeli any day.

I think bredators must be arming hellfires right now…
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New assault incoming. I think this event may be scheduled (and sponsored) for the specific purpose of distracting public opinion from the impending horrors of Taliban Islamism.

The objective is to loudly defame against Hindus, India, & Hindutva at the exact same time when the public floggings, amputations and oppression of women begin to dominate the headlines out of Afghanistan. Expect to hear the calumny that "BJP/RSS = Hindu Taliban" repeated very often.

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Event about 'threat' of hindutva on the anniversary of 9/11..

:roll:
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The GOI should crack down on all the jokers in the above list, using all and every means at its disposal. The fact we just nod our heads and let these things happen is what makes us as a soft state.
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Bharara Tweet

I always thought Preet Bharara was an Indian origin immigrant. However, this tweet says his dad had to leave India to go to Pakistan as a refugee on Aug 15.
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Mr. Bharara is an immigrant to the US. If I understand correctly, his father, like millions of others, left those areas that belong to Pakistan now and migrated to India after August 15, 1947.
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