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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby vinod » 03 Jan 2020 16:52

Karthik S wrote:
vinod wrote:If the bombs start going off, India's main interest should be in negotiating with Iran and US to secure the Chabahar port for us one way or the other.


I'd rather look at the border India shares with Afghanistan. When the world attention is somewhere else, it'd be a good time to build some roads.


Of course, China-Pak misadventures cannot be ruled out as well.
My point was that we have invested in that port and we have to ensure that during the muddy waters, we should be able to secure it future and its viability for a long time. So, India doesn't take any sides and ensure our investments are taken care.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby John » 03 Jan 2020 16:59

habal wrote:this has nothing to do with Trump, this is the deep state acting against key people who foiled their Syrian plans. IRGC general was key in foiling plans of isis/nusra and their collaborators in Syria, so they have been eying him for pretty long time. He and Putin were key in reversing all isis gains in syria & iraq. For Putin, they have a smear russia campaign in place which has limited mileage and the irgc general they have tried to take him out through targeted assasination. Now isis will try to raise their head again to check if the latest move by their benefactors has some effect on the ground. Await shock & awe moves by isis in palmyra & deir ez zor.

Not true Kurds played a far bigger role in fighting ISIL than his forces ever did in Syria.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby habal » 03 Jan 2020 17:04

Kurds are turncoats, they join hands and fight with isis whenever their interest suits them.

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Postby ricky_v » 03 Jan 2020 17:58

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-mourns-soleimani-cites-major-role-in-supporting-palestinian-resistance/
Hassan Nasrallah, head of Iran-backed Lebanese terror group Hezbollah on Friday morning mourned Iran’s Quds Force leader Qassem Soleimani as a “master of resistance” after he was killed in a US airstrike in Iraq.

“To continue on General Soleimani’s path, we’ll raise his flag in all battlefields,” the Hezbollah-linked Al-Manar website quoted Nasrallah as saying.

“Meting out the appropriate punishment to these criminal assassins… will be the responsibility and task of all resistance fighters worldwide,” he said[/url]

Hezbollah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah.(AP Photo/Hussein Malla, File)

Hassan Nasrallah, head of Iran-backed Lebanese terror group Hezbollah on Friday morning mourned Iran’s Quds Force leader Qassem Soleimani as a “master of resistance” after he was killed in a US airstrike in Iraq.

“To continue on General Soleimani’s path, we’ll raise his flag in all battlefields,” the Hezbollah-linked Al-Manar website quoted Nasrallah as saying.

“Meting out the appropriate punishment to these criminal assassins… will be the responsibility and task of all resistance fighters worldwide,” he said.

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Soleimani had close ties with Hezbollah and was heavily involved in its operations. In a rare interview late last year, Soleimani claimed he and Nasrallah escaped an Israeli assassination attempt when Israeli aircraft targeted them in Beirut during the Second Lebanon War in 2006.

The Hamas terror group offered its “sincere condolences” to Iran’s leadership and people following the killing of Soleimani in Baghdad overnight.

The organization that rules the Gaza Strip called Soleimani, the head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards’ extraterritorial Quds Force, “one of the most prominent Iranian military leaders who had a major role in supporting the Palestinian resistance in different fields.”
Hamas terrorists march in Khan Younis, southern Gaza Strip, November 11, 2019. (AP Photo/Hatem Moussa)

It condemned the US’s “belligerent action and the ongoing American crimes in sowing and spreading discord in the region in service of the criminal Zionist enemy.”

It said Washington “bears full responsibility for the blood that is being spilled in the Arab region, especially since its hostile behavior is igniting conflicts without taking into consideration the interests, freedoms and stability of the peoples.”

In a separate statement the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, Hamas’s military wing, expressed its condolences and said Suleimani “focused much of his efforts and fight to working towards the demise of the Zionist entity and removing it from Palestine’s land.”

Hamas’s leader Yahya Sinwar had in the past lauded the “strong, powerful and warm” ties Hamas enjoys with Soleimani.

Syria is “certain that this cowardly US aggression… will only strengthen determination to follow in the path of the resistance’s martyred leaders,” a foreign ministry official was quoted as saying by the state news agency SANA.

“The murder of Qasem Soleimani, the number one perpetrator of Revolutionary Guards’ crimes against the people of Syria and Iraq, is a blow that confirms that the world is able to stop Iran and protect Syrian civilians if it wants to,” Nasr Hariri, a senior political opposition leader, said.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby mody » 03 Jan 2020 18:32

There is an informal coalition taking shape. China, Russia, North Korea, Pakistan, Iran and Turkey.
China will obviously be the leader. The coalition will never be formal and has not really taken shape fully.
It will take a more definite shape over the next 5-6 years, as China keeps getting stronger and is in a position to defy the US.
Till then, the US can keep doing what it wants around the world.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Rony » 03 Jan 2020 19:06

Meanwhile India should be vigilant and not get sucked into this. Increase security for Israeli/US consulates . Iranians will try to plug any low hanging fruit they can. Remember the 2012 Iranian terrorist attack on Israeli diplomats and their families in Delhi and Georgia ? India should make it very clear to Iran (and to US/Israel) that making India the battleground for their pissing contest will have consequences on bilateral relations.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby vinod » 03 Jan 2020 19:53

In the aftermath of this assassination, the oil price has gone up. Indian economy is just slowing coming out of the NPA mess and this price spike comes at a bad time. I hope we are covered for this scenario.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby habal » 03 Jan 2020 19:58

that is always us strategy, to create unstability and chaos in asia. Sadly the asian powers are all caught up in small minded games to prevent us from creating mischief in region.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby habal » 03 Jan 2020 20:03

tactically this assasination of solaimani by US is a blunder. It justifies Iranian retaliation on US or Israel and they cannot attack Iran beyond a limit after which China, Russia & allies step in (if they want to establish themselves as major players in gulf) and solidify the red lines. Iran will become kingpin in mideast if China, Russia use this excuse and move in heavy weaponry to protect Iran.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby hanumadu » 03 Jan 2020 20:29

Suhasini Haidar
@suhasinih
Breaking: Govt expresses concern over US killing of Iranian General Soleimani :
"The increase in tension has alarmed the world... It is vital that the situation does not escalate further. India has consistently advocated restraint and continues to do so." says MEA


The paki is spreading fake news. India did not express concern over the killing but the SITUATION.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Rony » 03 Jan 2020 20:33

China getting sucked in into middle eastern quagmire is not a bad thing from Indian perspective. US concentration on middle east resulted in China getting sort of getting off the hook. Let China and US fight themselves to death in middle east. That may give some breathing space to India. Russia and China will milk Iran to penny or whatever is still left and make Paki out of them. On the other hand, our concerns on raising oil prices is real and hopefully contingencies are planned for these kind of situations.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Mort Walker » 03 Jan 2020 20:46

mody wrote:There is an informal coalition taking shape. China, Russia, North Korea, Pakistan, Iran and Turkey.
China will obviously be the leader. The coalition will never be formal and has not really taken shape fully.
It will take a more definite shape over the next 5-6 years, as China keeps getting stronger and is in a position to defy the US.
Till then, the US can keep doing what it wants around the world.


Erdogan keeps Turkey in this alliance. The military would like to remain part of NATO as they know their well being. If Turkey goes further in this alliance, there may be regime change in Turkey like an Arab Spring or Orange Revolution.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Mort Walker » 03 Jan 2020 20:53

There are at least 4 million Indians in the UAE and over 9 million in the Middle East. The MEA has to exercise caution and can not allow the US and Iran to make a mess or even allow the increase in the price of oil.

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Postby ricky_v » 03 Jan 2020 20:53

https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/pompeo-says-us-committed-to-de-escalation-after-strike-kills-iranian-commander/article30471743.ece/amp/
The United States remains committed to de-escalation with Iran but is prepared to defend itself, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said on Friday following a U.S. air strike in Baghdad that killed a top Iranian commander

I killed your top commander bro, let's de-escalate.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Rony » 03 Jan 2020 20:57

Mort Walker wrote:Erdogan keeps Turkey in this alliance. The military would like to remain part of NATO as they know their well being. If Turkey goes further in this alliance, there may be regime change in Turkey like an Arab Spring or Orange Revolution.


Erdogan purged off all pro-western and Feto elements from their military. 2016 coup d'état attempt was the final attempt from anti-Erdogan elements opposed to his policies to remove him. Now all of them are purged. He has firm grip on his military.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby vishvak » 03 Jan 2020 21:20

and they cannot attack Iran beyond a limit
Prolly USA worked on this for a while, wonder what made the resistance leader Suleimani wade into civilian problems and attacks on US embassy. Hopefully it won't hit our interests hard like Afghan leader Ahmed Shah Masood.
Let China and US fight themselves to death in middle east

Hopefully we don't fall into Chinese va USA divide the world between powerful kind of traps, with strong govt at centre.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby abhik » 03 Jan 2020 21:24

Any updates on the situation on the ground? Sorry i mostly don't follow the news anymore, the few international media outlet stories i watched on YT were horrendously crappy, most anchors and eggspert talking heads could probably not point where iran is on a map.
Or is twitter where all the fun is at now?

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby UlanBatori » 03 Jan 2020 21:29

The stakes have just been raised sky-high. Will Putin back down, or smash through Idlib and Tal Afar? Or.... topple MBS? I think the last possbility will sober down Erdogan in a hurry. Can't believe Trump let the Deep State do this to him. The Secret Service needs to get major help I think, because the danger to DT is not from Iran. Or Russia. But very very much closer to the WHOTUS.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Gyan » 03 Jan 2020 21:30

I don't see Iran doing anything rash. They will spend many months to plan & execute. For the time being, they will only act to increase heat in Yemen, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan & even Southern Saudi Arabia

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby mmasand » 03 Jan 2020 21:33

4 CV-22B's had to divert to Erbil after Turkey denied them use of Incirlik, the Ospreys were most likely carrying Special Forces to prepare for any contingency/evacuation of diplomatic personnel.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby ramana » 03 Jan 2020 21:49

Folks run a poll thread to capture ideas.

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Postby CRamS » 03 Jan 2020 22:01

Guys, my prediction. USA just has too many assets and dare I say even charm. So as we speak, I am sure USA is working on winning over the pro-western TFTA Iranains, the equivalent of our Uncle Tom Lutyen elite and TSP RAPE. So the hard-line Iranians might huf and puf, but this will dissipate in no time. I could be wrong, but this is my hunch.

And BTW, even as USA has just humiliated and shown middle finger to Iranian Muslim sentiments, be rest assured that you will have more moralistic pontifications on India and how it should respect Muslim sentiments.

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Postby UlanBatori » 03 Jan 2020 22:07

My take is far worse. I think HiC's friends unohu r setting up for an "Iranian terrorist" attack on ualsonohu. One other possib is that someone very See-Near in Saudi-Turk-Unkil terrorist heirarchy was pest-e-sha'eed in the strike on the US facility (which made absolutely no sense otherwise). An open hit at Baghdad airport on someone who was obviously a guest of the Iraqi govt and probably had a diplo passport? This is not REALLY a US military op, is it?

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby KLNMurthy » 03 Jan 2020 22:17

Rony wrote:China getting sucked in into middle eastern quagmire is not a bad thing from Indian perspective. US concentration on middle east resulted in China getting sort of getting off the hook. Let China and US fight themselves to death in middle east. That may give some breathing space to India. Russia and China will milk Iran to penny or whatever is still left and make Paki out of them. On the other hand, our concerns on raising oil prices is real and hopefully contingencies are planned for these kind of situations.

If there is a war, the parties that participated in the war will have more relevance post-war. India got left out consistently after every major war.

A key factor here is: does reward of post-war relevance justify the cost of participating?

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby CalvinH » 03 Jan 2020 22:31

https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/1212301034871279616

Soleimani was dead few hours later.

Maintaining credibility means Iran will need to perform a matching action. Iran doesn't have ability to do it and they run a risk of further US retaliation. Iran is in a rock and a hard place.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby CalvinH » 03 Jan 2020 22:40

What would China gain from meddling in the ME?. They are in open spat with Turkey on Uighur issue. Pakis are their minion not an ally though Pakis would like to believe it. Iran is a very unreliable as an ally because of its own interest as leader of Shia alliance that spans regions and countries.

Their best bet is to keep themselves away from it and focus on their own growth while others get sucked into the conflict in ME. And they are doing that.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby hanumadu » 03 Jan 2020 22:53

Will this revive ISIS In any way? One of the major reason for increasing atheism and irreligiousness in the Arab world is ISIS apart from the internet. Keeping some (significant) remnants of ISIS may have net benefits.

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Postby UlanBatori » 03 Jan 2020 23:01

increasing atheism and irreligiousness in the Arab world

Really? In which nation pls?

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Philip » 03 Jan 2020 23:05

In my opinion, an attack that on time the US will come to deeply regret.Iran has been bending backwards after the US unilaterally pulled out of the N-deal brokered by the EU after years of negotiations.Egged on by Israel, which dearly loves for the US to destroy Iran, the US has repeatedly rejected every effort of the Iranians to enter into talks to reduce tensions.Gen.QS was considered the Persian desert Rommel who led from the front in the various conflicts that he was involved in.More than his military acumen was his brilliant political insight and ability to achieve political results through military means. Some even spoke of him as a future Iranian president. He was not only the most important man in Iran but arguably in the entire ME.

Iran will now look for every opportunity to strike back at the US in as massively a manner as possible. My gut feeling is that acquiring nuclear weapons will now be its ultimate goal.NoKo and Young Un Kim survives becos of this fact.Saddam was defeated becos he had none. Hitting US targets and individuals of high importance would be of secondary priority, but also an essential requirement. India should prudently stay out of the spat and not get caught in the crossfire. Trump has lit the fuse of a multiple round Diwali cracker with untold consequences for the region to come.It has also given both Russia and China a further opporunity
to assist Iran,militarily and diplomatically and further entrench the two in the region in suppprt of Iran.

PS: Despite Midway,etc.,the US considered Yamamoto so important a figure to remove at any cost to ensure victory over Japan and shorten the war.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby UlanBatori » 03 Jan 2020 23:13

From ABCneuj

Iran's popular Gen. Soleimani became an icon by targeting US
For Iranians, Gen. Qassem Soleimani was a popular figure of national resilience in the face of four decades of U.S. pressure
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NASSER KARIMI and JON GAMBRELL Associated Press
January 3, 2020, 10:37 AM


TEHRAN, Iran -- For Iranians whose icons since the Islamic Revolution have been stern-faced clergy, Gen. Qassem Soleimani was a popular figure of national resilience in the face of four decades of U.S. pressure.
For the U.S. and Israel, he was a shadowy figure in command of Iran's proxy forces, responsible for fighters in Syria backing President Bashar Assad and for the deaths of American troops in Iraq.
Solemani survived the horror of Iran’s long war in the 1980s with Iraq to take control of the Revolutionary Guard’s elite Quds Force, responsible for the Islamic Republic’s campaigns abroad.
Relatively unknown in Iran until the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq, Soleimani's popularity and mystique grew after American officials called for his killing. A decade and a half later, Soleimani had become Iran's most recognizable battlefield commander, ignoring calls to enter politics but growing as powerful, if not more, than ts civilian leadership.
“The warfront is mankind’s lost paradise,” Soleimani said in a 2009 interview. “One type of paradise that is portrayed for mankind is streams, beautiful nymphs and greeneries. But there is another kind of paradise. ... The warfront was the lost paradise of the human beings, indeed.”
A U.S. airstrike killed Soleimani, 62, and others as they traveled from Baghdad's international airport early Friday morning. The Pentagon said President Donald Trump ordered the U.S. military to take “decisive defensive action to protect U.S. personnel abroad by killing” a man once referred to by Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei as a “living martyr of the revolution.”
Soleimani's luck finally ran out after he was rumored dead several times over the years. There was a 2006 airplane crash that killed other military officials in northwestern Iran and a 2012 bombing in Damascus that killed top aides of Assad. More recently, rumors circulated in November 2015 that Soleimani had been killed or seriously wounded leading forces loyal to Assad as they fought around Syria’s Aleppo.
As tensions between the U.S. and Iran increased after Trump pulled out of Tehran's nuclear deal with world powers, Iranian officials quickly vowed to retaliate. While Soleimani was the Guard's most prominent general, many others in its ranks have experience in waging the asymmetrical, proxy attacks for which Iran has become known.
“Trump through his gamble has dragged the U.S. into the most dangerous situation in the region,” Hessameddin Ashena, an adviser to Iran’s President Hassan Rouhani, wrote on the social media app Telegram. “Whoever put his foot beyond the red line should be ready to face its consequences.”
Soleimani's early years are a bit of a mystery. Born March 11, 1957, Iranians say Soleimani grew up near the mountainous and historic Iranian town of Rabor, famous for its forests, its apricot, walnut and peach harvests and its brave soldiers. The U.S. State Department has said he was born in the Iranian religious capital of Qom.
Little is known about his childhood, though Iranian accounts suggest Soleimani’s father was a peasant who received some land under the Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the monarch who was toppled in the 1979 Islamic Revolution.


By the time he was 13, Soleimani was working construction, later as an employee of the Kerman Water Organization. After Iran’s Islamic Revolution swept the shah from power, Soleimani joined the Revolutionary Guard. He deployed to Iran’s northwest with forces that put down Kurdish unrest.

Soon after, Iraq invaded Iran and began the two countries long, bloody eight-year war. The fighting killed more than 1 million people and saw Iran send waves of lightly armed troops into minefields and the fire of Iraqi forces, including teenage soldiers. Solemani’s unit and others also were attacked by Iraqi chemical weapons.

Amid the carnage, Soleimani became known for his opposition to “meaningless deaths” on the battlefield. He wept with fervor when exhorting his men into combat, embracing each individually.

For several years after the Iraq-Iran war, Soleimani largely disappeared from public view, something analysts attribute to his wartime disagreements with Hashemi Rafsanjani, who served as Iran’s president from 1989 to 1997. But after Rafsanjani, Soleimani became head of the Quds force. He also grew so close to Khamenei that the Supreme Leader officiated the wedding of the general’s daughter.

As chief of the Quds Foce — or Jerusalem Force — Solemani oversaw the Guard’s foreign operations and soon would come to the attention of Americans following the 2003 invasion of Iraq and the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.

In secret U.S. diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks, U.S. officials openly discussed Iraqi efforts to reach out to Soleimani to stop rocket attacks on the highly secured Green Zone in Baghdad in 2009. Another cable in 2007 outlines then-Iraqi President Jalal Talabani offering a U.S. official a message from Soleimani acknowledging having “hundreds” of agents in the country while pledging, “I swear on the grave of (the late Ayatollah Ruhollah) Khomeini I haven’t authorized a bullet against the U.S.”

U.S. officials at the time dismissed Soleimani’s claim as they saw Iran as both an arsonist and a fireman in Iraq, controlling some Shiite militias while simultaneously stirring dissent and launching attacks. U.S. forces blamed the Quds Force for an attack in Karbala that killed five American troops, as well as for training and supplying the bomb makers whose improvised bombs made IED — improvised explosive device — a dreaded acronym among soldiers.

In a 2010 speech, U.S. Gen. David Petraeus recounted a message from Soleimani he said explained the scope of Iranian’s powers.

“He said, ‘Gen. Petreaus, you should know that I, Qassem Soleimani, control the policy for Iran with respect to Iraq, Lebanon, Gaza and Afghanistan,’” Petraeus said.

The U.S. and the United Nations put Soleimani on sanctions lists in 2007, though he continued to travel. In 2011, U.S. officials named him as a defendant in an outlandish Quds Force plot to allegedly hire a purported Mexican drug cartel assassin to kill a Saudi diplomat.

The attention the West gave Soleimani only boosted his profile at home. He sat by Khamenei's side at key meetings. He famously met Syria's Assad in February together with the supreme leader — but without Iran's Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif, sparking a short-lived resignation by the top Iranian diplomat.

Polling data routinely showed Soleimani rated more favorably than other public figures, according to the Center for International Studies at the University of Maryland. But Soleimani refused entreaties to enter politics.

Soleimani's greatest notoriety arose from the Syrian civil war and the rapid expansion of the Islamic State group. Iran, a major backer of Assad, sent Soleimani into Syria several times to lead attacks against IS and others opposing Assad’s rule. While a U.S.-led coalition focused on airstrikes, several ground victories by Iraqi forces featured photographs of Soleimani leading them without a flak jacket.

"Soleimani has taught us that death is the beginning of life, not the end of life," one Iraqi militia commander said.

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Gambrell reported from Dubai, United Arab Emirates.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby kit » 04 Jan 2020 00:27

habal wrote:tactically this assasination of solaimani by US is a blunder. It justifies Iranian retaliation on US or Israel and they cannot attack Iran beyond a limit after which China, Russia & allies step in (if they want to establish themselves as major players in gulf) and solidify the red lines. Iran will become kingpin in mideast if China, Russia use this excuse and move in heavy weaponry to protect Iran.


High profile Assassinations create heroes that will galvanize the rest of the resistance for decades to come. Covert ops are best when it comes to bumping off undesirables. India takes note.

Pentagon wants all credit to go to Trump :mrgreen: ..

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Postby mmasand » 04 Jan 2020 00:41

Ismail Qani, now commander of the Quds Force asked Iranians for patience to see American bodies all over the 'middle east'. Minutes later Telegram channels in Iran reporting of a strike at Ain Al Asad airbase, which has been subsequently denied.

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Postby Y. Kanan » 04 Jan 2020 01:03

KLNMurthy wrote:
Rony wrote:China getting sucked in into middle eastern quagmire is not a bad thing from Indian perspective. US concentration on middle east resulted in China getting sort of getting off the hook. Let China and US fight themselves to death in middle east. That may give some breathing space to India. Russia and China will milk Iran to penny or whatever is still left and make Paki out of them. On the other hand, our concerns on raising oil prices is real and hopefully contingencies are planned for these kind of situations.

If there is a war, the parties that participated in the war will have more relevance post-war. India got left out consistently after every major war.

A key factor here is: does reward of post-war relevance justify the cost of participating?


No. Absolutely not. It never does, really. "Advancing national interests" usually just means redirecting funds to the military contractors while sabotaging national security at the same time. At least that's how it works for countries with a privatized MIC.

We don't need to be playing empire games, at least not in the realm of hard power. All we need are a credible nuclear deterrent with global reach, a good navy to protect our maritime routes in the IOR, and a true standoff precision strike capability so we can do Bailkot-style retaliations when needed. Basically we just need to worry about our own neighborhood.

Empire games are foolish and ultimately self-defeating.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby hanumadu » 04 Jan 2020 01:32

UlanBatori wrote:
increasing atheism and irreligiousness in the Arab world

Really? In which nation pls?


Mostly North Africa, but in west asia too.

https://twitter.com/tahabito/status/1185544780408901635

The most under covered and arguably most consequential story out of Arab World in the last decade.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby UlanBatori » 04 Jan 2020 01:45

What I don't understand is precisely - why DT took credit. This is plain assasination. The UN "Rapporteur" or "Racoon Tier" or whatever has already come out and called it ILLEGAL and UNJUSTIFIABLE. It looks as smart as bumping off Archduke Ferdinand, but even there that was blamed on Anarchists. False flag probably. True, a missile from a drone is hard to pass of as an "ISIS" or "sectarian", but overall this is pretty strange. Why didn't they just call it an accidental explosion of a weapon being covertly carried by the Eyeraian terrists and deny the whole thing? Those who know, would know. So what? But here the US has waded into a whole pakistan. Which is why I feel that something far worse is coming ... in the US. How DT got conned into this is what gets me. This is no bogus cruise missile attack: it is a decapitation strike against Iran (I mean, decapitating the Ayatollahs only raises Ianian national IQ). The guy was 63 yrs old and had already lived out his 9+ lives, he had lived through the Iran-Iraq war, seen the US occupation of Iraq destroyed, fought back and destroyed the Sunni ISIS occupation of Iraq, Shia rule restored in Iraq, and reversed the Sunni/Western occupation of Syria down to the last 2 provinces (Idlib and Tel Afar regions, plus the Turk/Kurd region). He went to Houristan an accomplished man. Now he gets replaced by someone who is I believe equally capable and probably younger and keen to show his skills. At the operational level, does bumping off the big chief really stop operational plans?

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby UlanBatori » 04 Jan 2020 01:46

Hanumaduji, that seems to be Xtian conversionist propagandoo. But interesting to chew on.....

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby hanumadu » 04 Jan 2020 01:59

There were some reservations expressed on the twitter thread, mainly issues relating to translation of 'non religious' in arabic. Apparently, it does not mean the same as in English and the answers could be misleading. The questions asked in the survey are posted in the thread though I didn't bother to look at them.

Meanwhile this is in America...
https://www.pewforum.org/2019/10/17/in-u-s-decline-of-christianity-continues-at-rapid-pace/

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Gerard » 04 Jan 2020 02:07

INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE GOVERNMENT OF ARMIES OF THE UNITED STATES IN THE FIELD

Prepared by Francis Lieber, LL.D; promulgated as General Orders No. 100 by President Abraham Lincoln, 24 April 1863.

SECTION IX

Assassination

Art. 148.

The law of war does not allow proclaiming either an individual belonging to the hostile army, or a citizen, or a subject of the hostile government, an outlaw, who may be slain without trial by any captor, any more than the modern law of peace allows such intentional outlawry; on the contrary, it abhors such outrage. The sternest retaliation should follow the murder committed in consequence of such proclamation, made by whatever authority. Civilized nations look with horror upon offers of rewards for the assassination of enemies as relapses into barbarism.


https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_centur ... asp#art148

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Gerard » 04 Jan 2020 02:10

What I don't understand is precisely - why DT took credit. This is plain assasination.


And an overt act of war.

"There will be dead Americans" as a result of Iran general being killed, ex-CIA deputy director says

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Vayutuvan » 04 Jan 2020 02:24

Just now on Dana Perino News hour on Fox News Bret Baier said that the late general Soleimani had his hand in killings all over the world including Iran itself, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Afghanistan, and (get this) India.

Was he in cahoots with Pakis, one wonders?


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