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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby UlanBatori » 05 Jan 2020 08:19

I had no idea! As the Douma Chemical Attacks have now been pretty thoroughly debunked by the UN Chem Weapons expert,the Chief of the White Helmets was found dead at the bottom of a TWO-Storey apt. bldg in Turkey. Turkish Polis have classified his death as suicide. :roll: Maybe he drowned in the 1 inch of water on grass when he fell?

Looks like Suleimani was killed as revenge for the assault on Idlib that has sent the US-backed terrorists scattering towards Turkey.

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Postby habal » 05 Jan 2020 10:26

Iran may first detonate a nuclear device or even a dirty device before any overt or covert retaliation.

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Postby Parasu » 05 Jan 2020 14:01

Vayutuvan wrote:
Rony wrote:On the other hand, our concerns on raising oil prices is real and hopefully contingencies are planned for these kind of situations.


Massa already said they will ship oil to India at a price point at which we import from Saudi. Some contracts were drawn or not? Even with that, US is an untrustworthy ally as they have proved again and again not only with India, even their closest allies like Japan.


Massa cant ship significant amount of oil to India.
The ports in the US cant handle super large oil tankers. The pipeline network is also insufficient.

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Postby Parasu » 05 Jan 2020 14:05

Philip wrote:The last mentioned will require Oniks/ Yakhont type AShMs with a little help from Russia.Will Russia however want such an escalation? My feeling isa huge NO.None of thd big powers barring the US want another conflagration in the ME given the global eco. crisis.


Actually a crisis in the Gulf is in the interest of Russia.
Oil prices will skyrocket. Putin will get billions and billions of dollars. Its importers like India which will get screwed.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby hnair » 05 Jan 2020 15:11

Philip wrote:Iran will wait jntil it is sure an attack will be a success. It has several options.Terror bombing attacks.Its own drone attacks and juicy naval targets in the Gulf.The last mentioned will require Oniks/ Yakhont type AShMs with a little help from Russia.Will Russia however want such an escalation? My feeling isa huge NO.None of thd big powers barring the US want another conflagration in the ME given the global eco. crisis. Calculated US targets anywhere on thd globe would be a wiser strategy for the Iranians but such a public figure assassinates, Iran's no.2, will demand from Iranians a huge response.


:D That will turn out to be a long wait. Because till now it has been an endless wait, despite every Emir-e-khan from Reagan to Trump smacking the buttocks of Iran's mullacracy in a very public fashion. All we hear are squeals of "Great Satan bad" and lifting of their nighties in the general direction of DC.

Fact is that as a nation, Iran has a perpetual hard-on, due to watching too much of those winged-bearded-lion bass relief sculptures of their kaffir past, but internally, that country is a giant wuss when it comes to serious military operations. Heck, I would go out on a limb and say they are far less spiney than that chubby kid over in North Korea.

And there might be a reason for that. Goes like this:

Years ago, an Iranian friend in exile said there is a tongue-in-cheek saying among the non-fundie nationalists of Tehran that if you grab an imam by his peard and pull it upwards, it will reveal a chin tatto that says "Made in UK". Friend said "nowadays that tatto shows a correction from UK to US". I did not give it much thought until that nation's volte-face about nucular program. Iran government got diddly from US in return for stopping the spinning of the 'fuges and when they stopped spinning, Trump happily shafted them, when he saw the kind of obedience Iran displayed.

For post-colonial powers, it makes sense to keep the imams paid up, because they want to make the Sooth-Barbies under check across the Gulf. Or even the yahoodis under check.

So I really dont know why a lot of Indians (even in this forum) feel they have to be on Iran's side or consider their military has a decent chance of holding up against khan, without a nucular backdrop? Iran is going to disappoint such folks. They are just going to scream around a bit. Plus their uber-paki TFTA nationalism hates our SDRE asses. They still get mijjile fires about Nadir Shah's sacking of Delhi and I have heard that first hand in the places visited. They hardly help India when it comes to Pakis, even with Chabahar, they dragged ass for almost two decades, because they think they are so superior and dont need our help. Only time I have seen India being mentioned seriously in their media or boards was when a PSLV lobbed a yahoodi spy-sat into orbit. Editorial be like "hmm, if yahoodi is using them, must be a good rakkett"

If they do show an actual spine and khan wants to pulp their capital at US tax payer expense, so be it. India anyways ended up buying oil from our new chum, that MBS-koya.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby habal » 05 Jan 2020 15:58

Gen Wesley Clarke mentioned in an old interview

7 countries and the last one is Iran.

what is the significance of these 7 countries ?
once the democratic, relatively anti-wahabbi regimes are toppled, then field becomes clear to spread fundamentalist wahabbi Islam to destabilize caucusus, russia & china. Esp russia.

that is the big prize.

trump is facing impeachment and is thus a lame duck and thus under influence of hawks like sheldon adelson who front for deep state has taken back control of mid-east policy which was in a coma after the syrian adventure misfired.

now things are proposed to be set back on track by striking at the key iranian commander who orchestrated anti-isis pushback across mideast.

qassem soleimani travels openly, and he was spotted by us intel thrice and requested permission to assasinate. Pernission was denied, twice under bush and once under obama.

so what is the desperation now ? It is just that they want to get on with the program to complete regime change in 7 countries.

and this regime change is not to offer milk & honey to its residents. It is just to leave those countries unstable and destabilized so that when a radical wahabbi movement gets activated, there is no resistance.

this achieves many goals of global depopulation (kissinger/prince andrew), unchallenged primacy of western civilization over global narrative and resources, zero competition from russia & east, land grab by israel to fulfill oded yinon plan. They feel the threat is now so overwhelming and opportunity for west is declining and it is now or never and wahabbi head-choppers in coordination with us military are the best tool to implement this plan.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Vikas » 05 Jan 2020 16:29

With the way, US is escalating it in ME, I am convinced that next targeted bombing will be somewhere in Iran itself, Red flag or brown flag unfurled is immaterial.

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Postby anmol » 05 Jan 2020 17:22

Libyan National Army says it is ready to ‘repel Turkish invasion’

Ismaeel Naar, Al Arabiya EnglishSunday, 5 January 2020

The Libyan National Army said it is ready to “repel the Turkish invasion” and that its navy is prepared to take control of the country’s coastline, LNA spokesperson Major General Ahmed al-Mismari said during a press conference on Saturday.

“We have reached full capability and we have our navy ready to control and secure the country’s coastline. Our air bases and advanced air defense means are also at full capacity, as proven when we shot down several Turkish aircraft,” al-Mismari said.

Last Thursday, Turkish lawmakers formally adopted a bill approving a military deployment in Libya to shore up the UN-recognized Government of National Accord (GNA) in Tripoli.

The Libyan parliament voted unanimously on Saturday to cut ties with Turkey and close embassies in the two countries.

General Khalifa Haftar launched an offensive to capture the Libyan capital of Tripoli in April vowing to end the rule of militias that include hardline groups linked to al-Qaeda and others. General Haftar has reportedly received support from international allies opposed to extremism and the Muslim Brotherhood.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby hnair » 05 Jan 2020 19:08

anmol wrote:Image


:lol: :lol: :rotfl:

1) hoist latest drone strike target as responsible for all past security lapses
2) stories of large stashes of p0rn found in their computers.
3) yevil coke-fiend sons who kidnap and have their carnal ways with women

Sulemani has passed point#1 of Middle East Dead Baddie list

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Ardeshir » 05 Jan 2020 19:11

Trump warns cultural sites could be targeted if Iran retaliates for Soleimani strike
President Donald Trump wrote on Twitter Saturday night that if Iran retaliates for the U.S. airstrike that killed Gen. Qassem Soleimani near Baghdad, the U.S. is prepared to "hit very fast and very hard" at 52 sites inside Iran, including some important to "the Iranian Culture."

Targeting cultural sites could be considered a war crime under international agreements to which the U.S. belongs, according to both Trump's political foes and former national security officials.

The number 52 used by Trump in his tweets also matched the number of Americans seized in the November 1979 takeover of the U.S. embassy in Tehran. They were held hostage for 444 days.


There is no Iranian Culture in Iran. Whatever remnants of Persian Culture exist, do so in Navsari, Udwada, Surat, Mumbai and Pune.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Philip » 05 Jan 2020 20:10

Gen.QS was eliminated because he was the best military man in the entire ME. His strategy saw the elimination of ISIS and consolidation of the Shiiite majority in Iraq and spanking the Saudis in Yemen ,hitting Saudi refineries in the bargain.The Persian Rommel who led from the front, his removal was essential to halt Iran's growing influence in the region.

Since Trump became pres.,his regime has been determined to castrate Iran any which way, sanctions and now extreme military " terrorism" as Iran and many others view it, including many in the US as well.As for US intel, we all know how accurate US intel is if Saddam's non-existant WMDs are kept in mind.

This exceptionally rash and imbecilic act of provocation,assassination, as is universally understood, a decision kept secret from the US Congress and US allies, whose consequences we can only wait, watch and hope does not lead to a massive ME conflagration that will send the global security stability and economy into a catastrophic tailspin." Endless war" is what some US politicians are calling the situ.

If the Paki army chief was similarly taken out as some have asked for, for Pak's record on terror, the world would not have lost a win's sleep! Trump has chosen the wrong target.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby mmasand » 05 Jan 2020 20:58

Ardeshir wrote:
There is no Iranian Culture in Iran. Whatever remnants of Persian Culture exist, do so in Navsari, Udwada, Surat, Mumbai and Pune.


The cultural sites referred to are monuments and mausoleums glorifying the revolution, Ayatollah's tomb, Azadi monument, and possibly Musalla mosque that is rumoured to have a large cache of weapons and blueprints of the nuclear program housed inside it.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby ricky_v » 05 Jan 2020 21:04

https://www.thenational.ae/world/mena/iraqi-parliament-votes-to-end-us-troop-presence-1.960145
Iraq's parliament voted on Sunday to end foreign troop presence in the country, including thousands from the US, and to lodge a complaint with the United Nations over the killing of Gen Qassem Suleimani, the head of Iran’s elite forces.

On Friday, regional tensions were dramatically escalated after Suleimani was killed by a US drone strike in Baghdad.

The extraordinary session on Sunday was led by outgoing Prime Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi, who resigned following the protests, but is in office until a replacement has been decided on.

Parliament voted on a five-point action plan that would require the Iraqi government to end the presence of foreign troops in the country, and withdraw its request for assistance from the anti-ISIS global coalition. This would require new legislation to cancel the existing agreement.

Parliament also called on the government to ban the use of Iraqi airspace by any foreign power.

The Iraqi foreign minister has been directed to head to the UN to lodge an official complaint against the US strike.

Mr Abdul Mahdi said asking the US forces to leave “would be the best option to establish a strong friendship with the US and other countries, based on mutual respect for sovereignty”.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Manish_Sharma » 05 Jan 2020 21:08

Iran is being exposed as a cowardly nation.

They were having reputation of being too big and strong to be attacked by USA, EVEN WITHOUT HAVING NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

Now the whole world will see how trump killed their errrmm :rotfl: rommel Sulemani and on top threatens to obliterate their cultural sites if iran doesn't suck it up. All 3 iran, china & russia have no guts to stand up to usa, THEY WILL SUBMIT TO TRUMP.

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Postby ShyamSP » 05 Jan 2020 21:23

Manish_Sharma wrote:Iran is being exposed as a cowardly nation.

They were having reputation of being too big and strong to be attacked by USA, EVEN WITHOUT HAVING NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

Now the whole world will see how trump killed their errrmm :rotfl: rommel Sulemani and on top threatens to obliterate their cultural sites if iran doesn't suck it up. All 3 iran, china & russia have no guts to stand up to usa, THEY WILL SUBMIT TO TRUMP.


Are you expecting Iran to take out the other side commander to show bravado? It is less likely.

US and Iran are asymmetrical powers so the less power side responses may not be immediate. It is too soon to judge Iran's response. They have capabilities to hit Saudis but not take on US in conventional sense to give equal response. They may start with some testing of waters by firing some missiles at non significant targets.

Russia's engagement has been measured which they showed in Syria so their engagement with Iran may be in similar lines unless this escalates into active war, which is less likely.

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Postby habal » 05 Jan 2020 21:33

retaliation will be massive and preferably under nuke/russian umbrella. The reason why trump is freaking out on twitter is because he knows a retaliation will come. So first we may see some kind of nuclear test by iran sponsored by china via north korea. What more can usa now do if Iran conducts test o nuke on its own soil. It is now exposed all over globe as a duplicitous bully taking on small countries whom they know cannot react conventionally. Russia & China will seek to trap usa in a persian quagmire since primary reason for russian intervention in syria was to prevent destabilization of iran. In the end usa will prop up another obama type two-face in elections and throw away trump like disposable tissue.

this is like the deccan war fought by the mughals, where mughals never win any decisive battles but do some shock & awe off and on and ultimately the wily marathas take over dehli and sikhs take over pubjab and kashmir and southern afghanistan. 3

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Postby Suresh S » 05 Jan 2020 21:49

It is my 6th sense that killing of general suleimani so publically will prove to be one of the most important events of the twenty first century. It will turn out very badly for US whether one supports Iran or not.Trump has made the worst mistake of his presidency.
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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby vishvak » 05 Jan 2020 21:52

Manish_Sharma wrote:.. how trump killed their errrmm :rotfl: rommel Sulemani and on top threatens to obliterate their cultural sites if iran doesn't suck it up. All 3 iran, china & russia have no guts to stand up to usa, THEY WILL SUBMIT TO TRUMP.

If Trump had talked about bombing place of worship there would be riots, by others too unaffected directly uknowho, and who would be at receiving end of such riots. But Trump talked of attacking cultural sites and voila no riots. Indirectly they will fight out without anyone noticing such things, which is what we don't either somehow.
Russia's engagement has been measured
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isn't that how that should be.

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Postby CalvinH » 05 Jan 2020 23:40

habal wrote:retaliation will be massive and preferably under nuke/russian umbrella. The reason why trump is freaking out on twitter is because he knows a retaliation will come. So first we may see some kind of nuclear test by iran sponsored by china via north korea. What more can usa now do if Iran conducts test o nuke on its own soil. It is now exposed all over globe as a duplicitous bully taking on small countries whom they know cannot react conventionally. Russia & China will seek to trap usa in a persian quagmire since primary reason for russian intervention in syria was to prevent destabilization of iran. In the end usa will prop up another obama type two-face in elections and throw away trump like disposable tissue.

this is like the deccan war fought by the mughals, where mughals never win any decisive battles but do some shock & awe off and on and ultimately the wily marathas take over dehli and sikhs take over pubjab and kashmir and southern afghanistan. 3


Under Shahjahan the deccan sultanets (Ahmednagar, Bijapur etc.) were defeated and assimilated in Mughal empire.

Even if Iran does few nuclear tests with borrowed weapons it lacks ability to bring them to an actual fight. In any case China would not be stupid to supply them a weapon during active standoff.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby UlanBatori » 05 Jan 2020 23:49

Suresh S wrote:It is my 6th sense that killing of general suleimani so publically will prove to be one of the most important events of the twentieth century. It will turn out very badly for US whether one supports Iran or not.Trump has made the worst mistake of his presidency.

Hate to have to point it out but it occurred in the twenty-first century onlee. :mrgreen:

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Rsatchi » 05 Jan 2020 23:51

https://youtu.be/4GeGlGgeYBY
Listen carefully from 24.29 onwards!!
Musharaff Zaidi claiming Pakistanis fighting in Iraq
is that true?

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby UlanBatori » 05 Jan 2020 23:52

If I were Ayatollah (and I am not..) I would use the anger to whip up more support towards achieving strategic objectives, Like complete the liberation of Idlib and Aleppo. Push the Turks out. Hit hard in Yemen. After all this was Suleimani's style. He fought with his brain not his mouth.

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Postby Supratik » 06 Jan 2020 00:06

Removal of the Islamic Iranian regime will practically denude the Shia angle of Islamists as Iran is the god-father of Shia Islamists. From long watching of Iranian chatter on various forums it is likely that like the Kurds the Iranians are tired of Islamism. A collapse of this Iranian regime will have a domino effect on Iranian people. The Kurds have already started leaving Islam for Zoroastrianism (see report). May happen with other Iranian people.

https://www.france24.com/en/20191023-ir ... ty-entwine

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Postby John » 06 Jan 2020 00:11

habal wrote:retaliation will be massive and preferably under nuke/russian umbrella. The reason why trump is freaking out on twitter is because he knows a retaliation will come. So first we may see some kind of nuclear test by iran sponsored by china via north korea. What more can usa now do if Iran conducts test o nuke on its own soil. It is now exposed all over globe as a duplicitous bully taking on small countries whom they know cannot react conventionally. Russia & China will seek to trap usa in a persian quagmire since primary reason for russian intervention in syria was to prevent destabilization of iran. In the end usa will prop up another obama type two-face in elections and throw away trump like disposable tissue.

this is like the deccan war fought by the mughals, where mughals never win any decisive battles but do some shock & awe off and on and ultimately the wily marathas take over dehli and sikhs take over pubjab and kashmir and southern afghanistan. 3

I laugh at these tweets and people who talk about Russia and China backing Iran FYI China supposedly passed US intel on key Iranian installation and reportedly the trade deal contains more secrets of Iran. Widely speculated Putin and Trump discussed Iran on the call in December (which Trump refused to elaborate). A weakened Iran would allow Russia to expand its sphere in Syria

Russia and China are just playing along as an Iranian ally as long as it serves their interest and i doubt they would waste single penny on Iran push comes to shove.
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Postby vivek_ahuja » 06 Jan 2020 00:15

Has anyone explained what General Suleimani was doing in Baghdad anyway? Why is a foreign General moving in armed convoys in the capital city at the same time as the US Embassy is being ransacked by armed mobs? Coincidence?

For all the boohoo from Iraq about "foreign intervention" blah blah blah, it seems that it is only against western forces. They seem quite at home hosting fellow neighboring islamic military forces and their leaders.

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Postby John » 06 Jan 2020 00:35

vivek_ahuja wrote:Has anyone explained what General Suleimani was doing in Baghdad anyway? Why is a foreign General moving in armed convoys in the capital city at the same time as the US Embassy is being ransacked by armed mobs? Coincidence?

For all the boohoo from Iraq about "foreign intervention" blah blah blah, it seems that it is only against western forces. They seem quite at home hosting fellow neighboring islamic military forces and their leaders.

Reportedly they were working on dispersing their assets and moving to closer to Syria to make it harder to target them after they launch a massive rocket strike on US installations.

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Postby IndraD » 06 Jan 2020 00:59

habal wrote:retaliation will be massive and preferably under nuke/russian umbrella.

there may not be any retaliation. Iran will huff & puff but suck up to humiliation.
Worth a read https://theprint.in/opinion/irans-qasse ... ck/344380/


What Iran can do
There is little substance in Iranian fury. First, the US is technically on solid legal ground, having conducted proportionate retaliation for an attack by Iran-backed Shiite militias on its embassy compound in Baghdad. Second, Iran simply does not have the wherewithal to take on the US conventionally. Any conventional action by Iran will result in massive retaliation, with Trump itching to bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities.

Moreover, as the 1988 Operation Praying Mantis and the shooting down of Iran Air 655 flight demonstrated, the US can sink the Iranian Navy and shoot down a civil airliner with near-total impunity. With Iran’s forces severely stretched from Yemen, through Iraq and into Syria, there really are no viable options for retaliation by Iran; whatever retaliation happens will at best be a pinprick that will be easily absorbed and countered.

Iran could have retaliated through “sub-conventional” actions – the kind of terror or asymmetric warfare that Qassem Soleimani specialised in. But the 3 January US airstrike closed that option – with America clearly saying that if Iran engaged in terrorism against it, the US would escalate to the conventional level and target Iran’s leadership.

In short, the entire Iranian geopolitical playbook of the last 40 years just got thrown out of the window. All up: game, set and match trump.

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Postby IndraD » 06 Jan 2020 01:06

while it would be more appropriate for Pk thread
why is it that US holds Iran responsible for American death , carries out strikes against their generals but sucks up to Pakistani army who have caused far more destruction to US interests in Afghanistan?

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Postby vivek_ahuja » 06 Jan 2020 01:30

IndraD wrote:while it would be more appropriate for Pk thread
why is it that US holds Iran responsible for American death , carries out strikes against their generals but sucks up to Pakistani army who have caused far more destruction to US interests in Afghanistan?


Pak has nuclear weapons with religious fanatics at the gates trying to get in and grab them. Pak army claims to be the ones standing in the way of them getting to it. Effectively Pak is blackmailing the USA into good behavior.

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Postby vivek_ahuja » 06 Jan 2020 01:32

John wrote:
vivek_ahuja wrote:Has anyone explained what General Suleimani was doing in Baghdad anyway? Why is a foreign General moving in armed convoys in the capital city at the same time as the US Embassy is being ransacked by armed mobs? Coincidence?

For all the boohoo from Iraq about "foreign intervention" blah blah blah, it seems that it is only against western forces. They seem quite at home hosting fellow neighboring islamic military forces and their leaders.

Reportedly they were working on dispersing their assets and moving to closer to Syria to make it harder to target them after they launch a massive rocket strike on US installations.


Okay. So if this is the case, then Trump basically ordered a preemptive strike on these guys and decapitated them. You would think the Iraqis would be thanking him for taking care of this in a way that they were unable to.

The Middle-east is a strange world with bizarre and self-destructive rules.

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Postby mmasand » 06 Jan 2020 01:38

Rsatchi wrote:https://youtu.be/4GeGlGgeYBY
Listen carefully from 24.29 onwards!!
Musharaff Zaidi claiming Pakistanis fighting in Iraq
is that true?


In reference to Gulf War 1, there were a number of Pak Army regulars in non-offensive roles inside Kuwait. Several thousands stayed back in KSA as an insurance till the mid-90's against Iranian aggression post the Iran-Iraq war.

Off topic but Pakistani overtly supported Iran by supplying stingers, and other ammunition against Iraq in that war.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby abhik » 06 Jan 2020 01:47

Tow major developments of today:
1) Iraqi parliament votes to expel US forces, big win for Iran, but only if they are actually able to follow through.
2) Iran "officially" walks out of the nuclear deal.

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Postby nithish » 06 Jan 2020 01:54

Fireworks begin

#BREAKING: Civilian casualties after rocket lands in apartment block opposite US Embassy in Baghdad

https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/12 ... 6654386187

@bababanaras
Total 6 rockets were fired in which 5 exploded. 1 rocket hit a civilian house near US embassy in Baghdad and 4 hit the admin building of embassy. Several people killed....

https://twitter.com/bababanaras/status/ ... 0666390531

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Postby John » 06 Jan 2020 02:09

abhik wrote:Tow major developments of today:
1) Iraqi parliament votes to expel US forces, big win for Iran, but only if they are actually able to follow through.
2) Iran "officially" walks out of the nuclear deal.

They basically did Trump wants which means Europe can no longer work to side step sanctions and salvaging the deal without US.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby UlanBatori » 06 Jan 2020 02:47

Ayatollahs are playing right into Deep State's hands. Announced withdrawal from nuclear accord, and otherwise pissing upwards. Who wins if US forces are "officially" asked to leave Iraq? Is Putin going to provide air cover against the ISIS in Iraq as well as Syria?

The ancient Persian knack of self-goals. All this tamasha is to distract them from finishing the job in Syria and Iraq. Now those are receding dreams. Quds Force cannot survive a B-52 campaign - same fate as Iraqi Imperial Guard in 1991. Shi*tes!!
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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby NRao » 06 Jan 2020 02:48

vivek_ahuja wrote:Has anyone explained what General Suleimani was doing in Baghdad anyway? Why is a foreign General moving in armed convoys in the capital city at the same time as the US Embassy is being ransacked by armed mobs? Coincidence?

For all the boohoo from Iraq about "foreign intervention" blah blah blah, it seems that it is only against western forces. They seem quite at home hosting fellow neighboring islamic military forces and their leaders.


In addition to what John posted, there was a report, just after the assassination, that he was there to better organize the Iranian factions within Iraq to better oppose those fighting in the streets against Iran.

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There is the "civilian government" that pretends to be a part of the normal international community. And then there is a parallel, well funded, entity that lives solely to drive their ideology, is beholden to none, but is protected by the civilians (they have no options).

Soleimani was the head of this entity that drove their ideology across four nations: Iran + Iraq + Syria + Lebanon. In addition he has led the efforts in Yemen too. He is not a "foreign general" in any of these geographical areas. It is the other way around: they exist because of the entity he led. Soleimani was the one stop shop: ideology, politics, finance, military, etc.

I see his assassination as a chance to rid the region of this two headed hydra. A very tall order and not by design, granted. But here is the chance to rid the area of "Iranian factions" or at least degrade them substantially.

On tossing out the US, I just do not think will matter. What the US did "officially" now will get done, much like Israel, under the covers.


I also wonder if the tossing out of the US forces lead, some time way into the future (few years), to the recognition of a Kurdistan.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby UlanBatori » 06 Jan 2020 02:51

Rsatchi wrote:https://youtu.be/4GeGlGgeYBY
Listen carefully from 24.29 onwards!!
Musharaff Zaidi claiming Pakistanis fighting in Iraq
is that true?


Pakis are no doubt "fighting" as soosai truck drivers for the ISIS.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby John » 06 Jan 2020 03:09

UlanBatori wrote:
Rsatchi wrote:https://youtu.be/4GeGlGgeYBY
Listen carefully from 24.29 onwards!!
Musharaff Zaidi claiming Pakistanis fighting in Iraq
is that true?


Pakis are no doubt "fighting" as soosai truck drivers for the ISIS.

I know KSA employs Pakistani mercs in Yemen. I didn’t watch the video but they could be working for Sunni militias allied with KSA.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby SBajwa » 06 Jan 2020 03:35

Ardeshir wrote:
Trump warns cultural sites could be targeted if Iran retaliates for Soleimani strike
President Donald Trump wrote on Twitter Saturday night that if Iran retaliates for the U.S. airstrike that killed Gen. Qassem Soleimani near Baghdad, the U.S. is prepared to "hit very fast and very hard" at 52 sites inside Iran, including some important to "the Iranian Culture."

Targeting cultural sites could be considered a war crime under international agreements to which the U.S. belongs, according to both Trump's political foes and former national security officials.

The number 52 used by Trump in his tweets also matched the number of Americans seized in the November 1979 takeover of the U.S. embassy in Tehran. They were held hostage for 444 days.


There is no Iranian Culture in Iran. Whatever remnants of Persian Culture exist, do so in Navsari, Udwada, Surat, Mumbai and Pune.


I think Trump is referring to the city of Qom where Hasan and his family was murdered. The other holy cities for Shia are in Saudi and in Damascus, syria.


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