Amarnath Yatris killed in terror attack. Allahoakbar

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 12 Jul 2017 05:06

Sorry if already posted - some points:
- .Inspector General of Police (Kashmir Range) Muneer Khan on Tuesday said Monday’s attack on Amaranth Yatra pilgrims was carried out by Lashkar-e-Tayiba. Khan said that the attack was masterminded by Pakistan terrorist Ismail.

- .Despite the attack, a fresh batch of devotees on Tuesday left for the holy shrine of Amarnath. Central Reserve Police Force Inspector General (Operations) Zulfiqar Hasan assured that the investigation of the terror attack on the Amarnath Yatra pilgrims is being investigated and that the Yatra will go on peacefully. “It is being investigated by the Jammu and Kashmir Police. It will take some time but we will nab the culprits,” assured the IG (Operations) CRPF.

- Home Minister Rajnath Singh called a high-level meeting to review the situation in Jammu and Kashmir in the wake of the killing of Amarnath pilgrims by terrorists.

- National Security Advisor Ajit Doval, top officials of the home ministry, intelligence agencies and central paramilitary forces are attending the meeting.
- A high-level central team led by Minister of State for Home Hansraj Ahir will also visit Jammu and Kashmir to assess the security of the pilgrimage to the high altitude cave shrine located in the Himalayas.
- The bodies of the seven Amarnath pilgrims were brought to Gujarat’s Surat airport along with the injured people and their family members in an Indian Air Force plane.
- The Government of Gujarat announced a compensation of ₹600,000, Government of India announced compensation of ₹700,000 ...

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 12 Jul 2017 05:13

The Kashmir Polis always say "Lashkar-e-Toiba". There is only one terrorist organization: the Pakistan Army.
GIVE PEACE A CHANCE, DESTROY THE PAKISTAN ARMY.
Maybe it's time for NaMo to ask Lockheed to demonstrate the capabilities of Block 70 F-16s over the Block 60s of the TSPAF?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 12 Jul 2017 05:54

Block 52s and there are only a handful of those, the rest are block 28 or some such near obsolete vintage, recently upgraded by birader mulq turkii

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 12 Jul 2017 06:11

sunnyP wrote:A bit unfair - he drove through bullets to save his own ass and others on the bus.

Reminds you of anyone? That paki bus momeen driver who stepped on gas to get himself out of firing line of the jehadis. It so happened that there were lankan players on board his bus who got saved. That guy was felicitated by lanka as a hero and given titles and money. Remember that?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 12 Jul 2017 06:23

Y. Kanan wrote:Article 370 will never be repealed.

Here's an idea.

Start to politically and legally treat J&K as three separate states or entities; repopulate south and west Jammu, and entire Ladakh (especially in the north and east) with Hindus and buddhists from the plains and Himachal. No one will complain as out of sight/ out of mind. In Kashmir, set up self sustaining defence housings for retired army personnel (Hindus and Muslims, alike) complete with technology, fencing and security. In shia majority areas of Kashmir on the borders with PoK, repopulate shia muslims from other parts of Jammu and Ladakh. It will take a minimum of ten years for the demographic shift to happen and bring the troublesome sunni kashmiris to a minority status. No one will ask for a plebiscite after that.

The chinis did it in Tibet and Xinjiang. No better role model than that.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 12 Jul 2017 07:47

I have said it before, will repeat it:

1) Bifurcate the state.
2) Make Kashmir similar to Gaza strip, ghetto the problem.
3) Remove RMs from Jammu. Make Jammu and Ladakh close to 100% Hindu and Bhuddist.
4) Remove all state protection to all MF abduls in Kashmir.
5) Just to be little dharmic, govt may provide medical camps and electricity to the valley. Nothing more.
6) Carve Kashmir's border with PoK in such a way that there's a 10 KM military zone between the ghetto and LoC so that our forces need not worry about inhouse jihadis and stone pelters.
7) Am sure this will lead to hardships and seculars will try to earn jack daniels by highlighting the problems. But 70 years they had their way.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 12 Jul 2017 07:54

Placating shia/sunni muslims always boomerangs and that will never change. Has J&K Human Rights offered 100x more than that wannabe arabi flintstone scum who is on prozac after unable to throw stones due to bravery of Major Gogoi? Every death in J&K should be followed by discussion of 370 and how nehru screwed generations of Hindus by news media. A country who can't get rid of 370 should really not start dreaming about getting PoK back. A country whose new media won't even show proper map of country should not be thinking about border transformations.

disha · Post by **disha** » 12 Jul 2017 07:55

Here is the facts of the events as I gather., please please provide more inputs to make the timeline clearer:

Confirmed facts:

1. Yatris had completed their yatra., one of the victim sons actually asked his mom to come soon & stay safe since the mom reported stone pelting incidence during yatra.

>> Importance: This would have kept the yatris under a state of siege and panic.

2. Yatris ended up in Srinagar and decided to go to Jammu. The time suggest that they decided to go to Jammu around 2:30 or around 5:30 but started out *after* 7:30.

>> Why the hold up? The theory that they were touring around do not hold. Some suggested that they had a tyre to fix and hence it required time. That could be a likely explanation.

>> Note: The yatris *did NOT want* to stay overnight in Srinagar. In fact they would not have got anything for them to stay at srinagar. No facilities, no food, no shelter and of course no security. They would be sitting ducks in srinagar and hence would want to leave for Jammu whatever the cost.

This is one point in overall solution: One needs to have a safe staging ground with full facilities in Srinagar where Yatris feel welcome. If certain jehadis need to be drawn and quartered and displayed on flagpoles to achieve that., so be it.

3. Why did the Yatris could not fall within the envelope of "road opening party"? What happens if a group shows up after road-opening-party envelope is closed? Where will they stay (see point 2 above).

>> Were they purposely delayed? Were they misinformed? It is thrown around that the bus was unregistered and hence fell out of road-opening-party envelope. That is non-sense. All one has to do is to actually show up at check post and decide from that point onwards. If the envelope is closed loop back to point two above.

I posit that the yatris were forced into a hobson's choice. No place to stay. No place to go. So they decided to go for Jammu.

The timeline between 2:30 PM to 7:30 PM is crucial. What caused the delay?

I do not buy the theory that they decided to do "sight seeing" and hence got delayed and hence targetted. Even if they did, there is nothing wrong in providing them proper information. Jeopardizing their lives for "sight seeing" is BS.

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Most likely the moment they entered Srinagar., they were marked. After that all the events lead up to a point where they could be ambushed.

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The point of ambush is also interesting. It is not just that the pigs set up on a bus going to Jammu. They knew precisely where to strike and who to strike.

Means prior knowledge was transmitted from Srinagar and the yatris lured to a point where they could be ambushed.

disha · Post by **disha** » 12 Jul 2017 08:00

The way to solve all momeen crisis is simple: Trigger an internecine war in Barbaria and send willing momeens, particularly young 18-40 year old males on one way ticket.

And their wimmen must then be made to run all services including transportation and police and everything in between. Totally empowered.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 12 Jul 2017 08:01

there would be stadiums in srinagar or police grounds within the premises of police camps.easy to secure.
these can be used as caravan-serai for anyone who needs to spend the night, with some portable tents,water,toilet and food arrangement.

the stone pelting youths will come around to demand to play football, cuff them behind their ears and ask them to go play in the street.

SriKumar · Post by **SriKumar** » 12 Jul 2017 08:07

disha wrote: The point of ambush is also interesting. It is not just that the pigs set up on a bus going to Jammu. They knew precisely where to strike and who to strike.
Means prior knowledge was transmitted from Srinagar and the yatris lured to a point where they could be ambushed.

Note that the bus had the word 'OM' written prominently on the front. A lone bus, with the word Om written on it can be easily tracked and monitored. A Google search shows pictures of a bus with 2 trishuls around the word OM, on the front/top. It would be easy to guess who is traveling in the bus. Not claiming this is the picture but google throws this up....
http://media2.intoday.in/indiatoday/ima ... 122136.jpg
Some Gujrati script is also seen at the front.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 12 Jul 2017 08:08

Multiple Gujarati new channels are mentioning on and off flat tires. Very easy to cause. The bus was also pretty easy to identify as being from Gujarat. Is that all it takes to get a bus to be a sitting duck? No radio contact? No watch posts during yatra? No hiring of mercenaries to deal with islamiyat? If Indians can't be protected 24/7 and area has to be cleared out, then how is this territory really Indian? PoK is lot further than Srinagar. Shall we talk about capturing Srinagar first? Once you start tolerating stone pelting, you have to start tolerating the next escalation. Very simple. And it does not apply only to J&K. There are many mini islamic terror centers all around India commanded by mosques. Only difference would have been that that instead of being shot, outside J&K the bus would have been burned.

disha · Post by **disha** » 12 Jul 2017 08:14

SriKumar wrote: Note that the bus had the word 'OM' written prominently on the front. A lone bus, with the word Om written on it can be easily tracked and monitored. A Google search shows pictures of a bus with 2 trishuls around the word OM, on the front/top. It would be easy to guess who is traveling in the bus. Not claiming this is the picture but google throws this up....
http://media2.intoday.in/indiatoday/ima ... 122136.jpg
Some Gujrati script is also seen at the front.

To notice it is one thing., to ambush it requires prior knowledge and planning.

The terrorists have to be at the right place and at the right time with information on identifying the bus. So that it can be waylaid.

Put it this way., one cannot just see a bus going to Jammu., know that it is Hindu yatri carrying bus and immediately setup a ambush away from the patrols.

A deep knowledge of how the road-opening party operates and how this bus has been led astray is required to waylay the ambush.

disha · Post by **disha** » 12 Jul 2017 08:24

It is easy to cause flat tires. If that point is true., we must subsume that it was not an accident but an incident.

Since rest of the incidents do *not* appear accidental or coincidental. A bus has to get delayed. A bus has to miss the opening-party envelope. The bus is easily identified (so are all other buses which carry amarnath yatris, they are all easily identified, making it actually difficult to mark out a particular bus if they are travelling in a group) and the ambushers know the bus to target. None of this is can be this coincidental.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 12 Jul 2017 08:32

Is it seeming likely that a nexus of jihadi overground workers, political party operatives (from Hurriyat and also NC, Congress etc.) and compromised members of JK police (possibly also other state govt services) were involved in abetting the terrorist attack?

I specifically mention Congress because a Congress corporator was a mastermind of the Godhra train burning.

Note that Rahul Gandhi (plus surely other more capable people in his retinue) met the Chinese ambassador recently. A 2002 type incident once precipitated could return the initiative to China, Pakistan, and the internal sickular traitors within India. So far MAD have deftly blocked these parties from taking the initiative, at almost every turn.

It looks like they were hoping to force a game changer.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 12 Jul 2017 08:39

ramana wrote:Marten et al,
Just to indulge me what are ten things you want to do that will give India upper hand in J&K?

We can then rank them and see how implementable they are.

The most important thing is people in the valley need to stand up to the rogue elements. They have to project a sense to Pakistan and the rogues that they just do not participate in elections, but think they are part of India.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 12 Jul 2017 08:44

Remember the Godhra train burning was masterminded by Congress and Islamabad to take the Parakram heat off Pakistan in 2002.

Today the Pakis are feeling terrible heat (now that MAD has given the IA permission to take the gloves off and retaliate, plus of course the lingering burn of the surgical strike). Chinese are appalled at the reversal of our usual obsequiousness and our confrontational stance with regard to Doka Lam. Congress and sickular mahathugbandhan got decimated in UP and their media mouthpieces (NDTV etc) are beginning to face the consequences of their criminal actions.

A 2002 was needed once again. By all the interest groups responsible for Godhra, plus China as well.

abhijatT · Post by **abhijatT** » 12 Jul 2017 08:51

http://m.indiatoday.in/story/lashkar-e- ... 00017.html

Amarnath attack: Lashkar-e-Taiba over-ground workers tailed pilgrims for 2 days

The OGWs had been tailing this group from Gujarat comprising mostly women for the last two days and tipped off the terrorists to attack the group when there was no security around," top government sources told Mail Today

The bus had separated from the security convoy at around 8.30am and was under watch of terrorists till it was attacked at 8.20pm, the security forces informed the Centre.
The sources said the main targets of terrorists were women and there were inputs that pilgrims from Gujarat and Uttar Pradesh would be on their radar.

Sources told Mail Today that the batch of terrorists who attacked the bus from both sides have been identified. Officials confirm that they have not slipped out of the country and it is only a matter of time before they are trapped or killed.
According to an official, what is more worrying is that Ismail apart from activating his over-ground operatives also got in touch with some locals of the Hizbul Mujahideen. The cadres of the Hizbul had helped in logistics, which were shared with Lashkar. The local Hizbul operatives are more familiar with the territory.

The probe also shows that the Lashkar wanted to take some of the pilgrims hostage. A reconnaissance of the route was conducted for three days. The plan was to barge into the bus, kill as many as possible and also take a few captive, investigations so far have revealed.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 12 Jul 2017 09:00

There is a strong track record of collaboration between the LeT in particular and the Congress party.

2006 Samjhauta Express blast: UN determined Osman Haider of LeT was responsible. Scum Mohan Singh sarkar ignored the evidence, blaming "Hindu Terrorists" instead.

26-11-2008, LeT terrorists wore red threads on their wrists that Headley had acquired from Siddhivinayak temple. The idea was to blame "Hindu Terrorism" for the attack. The murder of Hemant Karkare that night was also timed to reinforce the Hindu Terrorist narrative (as head of MH ATS, he was investigating the Malegaon case where Col. Purohit was framed). But for the heroic sacrifice of Tukaram Omble, Kasab would not have been taken alive, and Hindu Terrorist narrative would have held (benefiting Congress in the upcoming 2009 election).

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 12 Jul 2017 09:02

Rudradev wrote:benefiting Congress in the upcoming 2009 election.

They DID benefit in 2009 election didn't they? Not only GE 2009 but also in Maharashtra assembly elections.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 12 Jul 2017 09:09

Kashi wrote:
Rudradev wrote:benefiting Congress in the upcoming 2009 election.
They DID benefit in 2009 election didn't they? Not only GE 2009 but also in Maharashtra assembly elections.

True. But had the Hindu Terrorism narrative stuck, or been allowed to create reasonable doubt in the public mind about 26-11, think how much worse it would have been. BJP banned or emasculated (party of Sudheendra Kulkarni). Modi, Amit, Yogi Adityanath, Uma Bharati etc. jailed or politically paralysed for life using terrorism laws. VHP and RSS banned, accounts frozen, assets seized.

BRF taken down too, probably.

And Pappu as PM today. For sure.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 12 Jul 2017 09:20

Rudradev wrote:True. But had the Hindu Terrorism narrative stuck, or been allowed to create reasonable doubt in the public mind about 26-11, think how much worse it would have been. BJP banned or emasculated (party of Sudheendra Kulkarni). Modi, Amit, Yogi Adityanath, Uma Bharati etc. jailed or politically paralysed for life using terrorism laws. VHP and RSS banned, accounts frozen, assets seized.

BRF taken down too, probably.

And Pappu as PM today. For sure.

I like to think that the "Hindu terrorism" narrative was meant equally if not more for the audience (or handlers/controllers?) in the West as the domestic audience, who were getting more and more belligerent over India- harvesting souls and all that.

But you are right, it had all the makings of Emergency II, except for targeting a single socio-political grouping.

sudeepj · Post by **sudeepj** » 12 Jul 2017 09:51

The problem lies with Indian strategy in Kashmir, and I am afraid we are sliding towards a very large war with Pakistan. Indian strategy in Kashmir is one of proportional response, i.e. if someone pinches your wifes bum, you pinch his bum. Allow me to illustrate with some examples:

1. If some pakis cut off the heads of some of our soldiers, we are content with a retaliatory attack and cutting off the heads of one or two more Pakis than the number that Pakis killed.

2. If there is some shelling by Pakis on the border, we are content to shell their border areas. Not once have Indian shells roared over Pakjab or Sindh.

3. If Pakis sponsor Dawood etc., at worst, even if we take Paki claims at face value, we offer similar help to people persecuted by the Paki establishment, sundry Baloch etc.

Never once after 71 have we escalated the violence and exercised the full scope of our national power, except a brief few weeks after the parliament attack in 02. Consider, if India had followed the Powel doctrine, and issued a casus belli and an 24 hour ultimatum to Pakistan in 90s.

Instead we have swallowed a protracted war on our territory that has inflicted nearly 100,000 casualties, as much as would be inflicted by a Paki nuke on an Indian city! In addition to that, there is none of the purifying effect that war has on national psyche, instead our populace has been brutalized, even the Kashmiris. Think of the Ayub Pandiths, who have to suffer living in a Talibanized society.

If we dont stop Paki violence, it will surely escalate to a level where a larger war becomes simply unavoidable. Its not too late..
1. A 24 hour ultimatum to surrender Hafiz, Dawood, Masood Azhar etc. to Indian authorities must be issued.
2. This must be followed by meaningful surgical strikes deep into Paki heartland.

Alternatively, the violence on the LOC must be taken to a qualitatively different level. LoC must be 'straightened' to a more rational border. Nuke-shmuke. Let the ******** be afraid of our nukes for a change.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 12 Jul 2017 09:52

Example of people standing up to rouge elements.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 12 Jul 2017 11:11

Noticed some reaction here from US -- change from old days - State Dept, used world like "reprehensible', "terrorist" and "state of Jammu and Kashmir" ..

Quite a few congressmen have spoken up too.

From: From HTimes: ‘So reprehensible’: Trump administration, US lawmakers condemn Amarnath yatra attack

“We consider it to have been a terrorist attack in the state of Jammu and Kashmir in which seven religious pilgrims were killed. That’s of great concern to us,” the State Department Spokesperson Heather Nauert told reporters at a news conference.

“These were civilians, they were killed as they were exercising their right to worship and that is, in large part, what makes this so reprehensible. That is a great concern to us and our thoughts and prayers go out to those people and to their families as well. Our prayers are with the victims and those who were affected,” she said.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 12 Jul 2017 11:33

https://twitter.com/republic/status/884 ... 7154484230

#BREAKING: Hizbul Mujahideen terrorists neutralised during an encounter in J&K's Budgam. Bodies recovered from encounter site

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 12 Jul 2017 11:42

There is a very good article in ndtv news site.I could not belive my eyes. It is about how we treat hindus in India. I have to go . If someone can put that article that would be great.it's a keeper.

rohitv · Post by **rohitv** » 12 Jul 2017 12:38

https://www.bhaskar.com/news/GUJ-SUR-OM ... 8-PHO.html
Article is in hindi. Brief summary:

Terrorists ran for the bus door while firing. Two passengers , Mukesh and Harsh sustained bullet injury but still managed to crawl to the bus door and close it before terrorists could enter.
As per Ms Yogita Ben from Maharashtra, they left Shrinagar at 6:30 (AM or PM not clear) along with three more buses. Bus got punctured and their bus was left behind. The tyre mechanic fixed the puncture but then insisted there are more punctures delaying the bus by 2 hours.
As per Rajesh Naval Bhai, there were many shops around the attack location. Women and children inside the bus were crying for help but shopkeepers around the bus were laughing and none of them came forward to help.
Terrorists were firing on the bus from three sides. Driver Salim managed to drive the bus for 2 km before stopping. Army reached there after a while.

sampat · Post by **sampat** » 12 Jul 2017 12:40

War On Hindus In A Land Of Photocopied Condolences

Hindus have learnt to live with massacres, mayhem, abuse, humiliation and calmly-issued fake statements of condolences.

Unfortunately, the extremist elements use Kashmiriyat word, otherwise a beautiful expression of our togetherness, as a burqa to hide their glee while sprinkling salt on Hindu wounds. Have you ever seen a Muslim sufi going to the Valley and appealing to Jihadis to shun violence? They remain safe in the all-Hindu concerts in golf clubs. Where was there Kashmiriyat when Amarnath Yatra was disrupted in 2008? Every year, Muslim leaders and Islamists issue threats to Amarnath Yatra and it has not been a smooth, safe Hindu yatra for long. Kashmiriyat has no meaning if it is separated from Hindustaniyat.

At a time when Hindus are the victims, we try not to mention words like "Muslim" and "Islam" and "Jihad" to preserve our secular fabric and to disallow any such ghastly incident to take away our resolve to make peace with everyone. If Muslims are the victims, it is upfronted, the lead point, the headline - with front page interviews of their sons, mothers and grandpas. If Hindus are victims, please don't even mention the word "H" and don't ever say that the attackers and killers were all Muslims.

Hindus have learnt to live with massacres, mayhem, abuse, humiliation and calmly-issued fake statements of condolences.

Unfortunately, the extremist elements use Kashmiriyat word, otherwise a beautiful expression of our togetherness, as a burqa to hide their glee while sprinkling salt on Hindu wounds. Have you ever seen a Muslim sufi going to the Valley and appealing to Jihadis to shun violence? They remain safe in the all-Hindu concerts in golf clubs. Where was there Kashmiriyat when Amarnath Yatra was disrupted in 2008? Every year, Muslim leaders and Islamists issue threats to Amarnath Yatra and it has not been a smooth, safe Hindu yatra for long. Kashmiriyat has no meaning if it is separated from Hindustaniyat.

At a time when Hindus are the victims, we try not to mention words like "Muslim" and "Islam" and "Jihad" to preserve our secular fabric and to disallow any such ghastly incident to take away our resolve to make peace with everyone. If Muslims are the victims, it is upfronted, the lead point, the headline - with front page interviews of their sons, mothers and grandpas. If Hindus are victims, please don't even mention the word "H" and don't ever say that the attackers and killers were all Muslims.

I was sitting in my office when the Godhra massacre happened. I have kept all the newspapers from those days. There was just a line - some passengers in Sabarmati Express died due to a fire.

For the next three days, till Gujarat erupted, there was no mention in any media that the victims of Sabarmati Express were Hindus and the attackers were Muslims.

And then, every day, we saw pictures of "savage" Hindus with saffron headbands brandishing trishuls. In each case, it was prominently mentioned - Hindu fanatics, Hindu terrorists. The one face of that tailor begging for his life became an instant hit worldwide - an iconic image depicting brutal Hindus and Muslims at their mercy. No mercy-seeking pictures of Hindus travelling in the Sabarmati Express or driven out of their home and hearth from the Valley? Five lakh of them. Some people from Mars drove them out.

I have yet to see a single picture of a Mullah or a bearded Maulana in media caricatures equivalent to that of the tailor or anywhere close to it.

Remember the Amarnath movement began in Jammu. I have never seen such a peaceful, mass movement against the secular Muslim leaders of the Valley who declared that not a single inch of land will be given to construct shelters for Amarnath yatris. They can't tolerate Hindu yatris, but love their money.

The law of the secular holy scripture for media is that even though we know the attackers were Muslims, that they were killing the Hindus in the name of Allah to prove that their dedication and devotion to Islam is complete, we must refrain from saying so and instead say "All Kashmiri Muslims love us, they are peaceful people, believe in democratic values and they uphold the lofty ideals of Kashmiriyat."

Wherever I have been in the Valley, I have found most Kashmiri Muslims like to lead a peaceful life under the tricolour. But they feel that patriotic Muslims are not safe because they can be attacked by terrorists at any time and Delhi's secular media never highlights the atrocities these Jihadis perpetrate on Kashmiri Muslims. Kashmir's media also plays up all the statements of the traitors, while not giving an inch to those who are patriotic.

The lack of outrage in Srinagar's and Delhi's media over the lynching of senior police officer Mohammad Ayub is one example. It's better to be a traitor - at least liberal left media will focus on your views - than be a Tricolour Muslim who gets no coverage. Muslim voices, otherwise very vocal on incidents like Pahlu Khan, keep a studied silence on Amarnath massacres. Neither do they use their extraordinary communicative abilities to defend Ayub and offer sympathy for his family.

So kindly keep your Sufism and other great ideas of togetherness with you till all Indians feel safe in valley.

I am only concerned about my Hindustaniyat. And the Hindustaniyat of every Kashmiri.

I want all Indians safe in every region of my nation. I am speaking for Hindus because in a Hindu majority nation, it has increasingly become unsafe to be a Hindu. From Kashmir to Karnataka to Kerala and the jungles of Chhattisgarh to the Northeast, it's only Hindus who are being killed, converted, humiliated - and their religion has become a matter of mockery. You see any principal mainstreamed newspaper - edited by foreign passport holder journalists who know more about Mexican problems than their neighbourhood - columns are given to those who have been notorious for their hatred for Hindus. The Hindu pain, sorrow, frustration and anguish is never allowed to reflect in their media, though their owners are very patriotic, religious and temple-building legends. Who get cosy with masters of political games and do daily puja (minimum one hour), wear the right-sized stones in their rings to ward off evil effects, and give huge, sometimes very astonishing donations to famous temples. But their Hindu-ness is limited to pleasing the Gods to get more contracts and more profits.
Condemnation of incidents like the Amarnath carnage mean less than ever before.The same sentiments were expressed when Tikalal Taploo, Lassa Kaul, PN Handoo, were killed and also when HL Khera, (General Manager, HMT, Srinagar) was abducted and later tortured to death by Muslims.

There used to be a towering Delhi leader, Madan Lal Khurana, who would call for a Delhi bandh every time such killings occurred. Delhi would comply spontaneously, willingly. I have seen even a paan-wala would not open shop and movie halls were closed when the bandh call was given in protest of Hindus killed in Kashmir by Islamist Jihadis. With the passage of time, Hindus understood, their lives will not be saved while netas continue living safely and hence, there is no use in heeding such bandh calls. We got used to seeing the daily killings of Hindus in Kashmir and continued working on our daily routine.

We have photocopies of harsh, very harsh, sometimes semi-harsh (as the situation may demand) expressions of condemnation for such actions as we saw in Amarnath. From our comfort zones, we issue huge sheets of our deep-felt sympathies laced with very prudently selected words like "dastardly", "cowardly", "despicable", and, finally, "unacceptable".

The condemnation letters are always ready, only the dates have to be changed.

The Amarnath pilgrims' massacre proves once again that the Hindus of India are still paying heavy price for just being a Hindu.

FOOTNOTE

Friends have mentioned that there have been strong Muslim voices against the Amarnath carnage; I agree. My column above mentions how Kashmiri Muslims love to live in peace under the tricolour. That sums up my feelings for them. But ignoring that, another line has been picked up, which is a deliberate attempt to create a controversy while Hindus are grieving.

Muslims have always condemned such incidents. Wasn't Tika Lal Taploo's tragic killing condemned by all? When I said Muslim voices, I meant voices who bear influence on extremist Muslims - voices who cry for Azadi and support separatists.

I have always stood for Hindu Muslim-solidarity and a need to stand together as Indians.

(Tarun Vijay is a BJP leader and former MP from Uttarakhand.)

rohitv · Post by **rohitv** » 12 Jul 2017 12:57

The epaper version of Daining Bhaskar is quite detailed and clearly establishes the timelines and how the terrorist attack happened.

http://epaper.bhaskar.com/surat-city-hi ... 17/mpcg/1/

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 12 Jul 2017 13:30

mean while wiki is spreading mis information by validating that bus was caught in cross fire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist ... tra_(2017)

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 12 Jul 2017 14:25

Primus wrote:I am so glad the title is back to the original.

AoA is the War Cry of Islam, has been so since its inception. Ghazni and his men used it a thousand years ago, muslim terrorists and aggressors of all kinds use it every time they attack kafirs. It is not to 'strike fear into the hearts of the enemy' but to claim the assault for Islam and Allah. They also do it to embolden and harden themselves. There may still be a small part of their soul that quails at the killing of babies and AoA serves well to silence that tiny voice.

This attack was designed to cause the maximum outrage:
1. It is a terrorist attack on Indian soil
2. It is an attack on civilians
3. It is an attack on civilian Hindus
4. It is an attack on civilian Hindus on pilgrimage to a Hindu shrine
5. it is an attack on civilian Hindus on pilgrimage to a Hindu shrine considered THE most sacred by many.

No illusions about this, it was intended to send a message to NM, BJP, YA and all the Hindus - 'we can get you where you are most vulnerable and you won't be able to do anything to us'.

Hence the response needs to be both visible and palpable. I am confident that it will be. Bahut ho chuka.

Thanks to Ramanaji for that - Clarity of thought and purposeful action.

Primus let's hope you are right on action this time. We haven't done anything after a serving YO of the 2 Raj Rif who took Tololing was massacred at a wedding. Imagine how the battalion feels. Never happened in Punjab and then we say we are holding our ground. Looks like that from a/c office and home in Lutyens Delhi perhaps. Thing is we are very good at all kinds of analysis but what we need is clarity of thought and purposeful action that is lacking.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 12 Jul 2017 15:03

This cross-fire theory is BS of the highest standard.

In a cross-fire, the main body of the bus would've been hit. Remember, the seats in a bus are placed at a height - you need to fire at an elevated angle to hit the windows. In a cross-fire, when the two parties are firing each other, the gun is parallel to the ground or even slightly depressed (if the opponent is lying on the ground or crouching).

In this case, fire was aimed at the windows and front section (to kill the driver and stop the bus). A massacre was planned - at the expense of sounding insensitive, we got away lightly with only 7 Yatris killed.

And this was a proper, planned ambush. As already opined, bus/tourists were tracked, info passed by OGW to the hit team and bus was ambushed.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 12 Jul 2017 15:18

Guys, just jumping in the middle of good discussion, but I am sick to my stomach watching and listening to all the propaganda post Amarnath yatra slaughter by Pakis and KMs. This is the only way one should put it. But instead, fake outage by so called Kashmir civil society, providing them a platform to express bogus outrage and in the same breath spewing out every one of their pet peeves. And the most sickening, this crap about "Kashmiriyat" supposedly on display even as 1000s of KMs attend funerals of Paki and KM pigLeTs sent to their 72. Sometimes I wonder which is worse, Paki and KM terrorism or their rendering of Indian/Hindu elite as a bunch of deracinated eunuchs who even in the face of a tragedy rub further salt in the wounds of their Hindu brethren through intense self flagellation and eulogizing the enemy. Even Stockholm syndrome will not capture this mental depravity.

DrRatnadip · Post by **DrRatnadip** » 12 Jul 2017 15:29

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/amarnat ... 557641.cms

Amarnath terror strike: Hunt on for LeT terrorist Abu Ismail

SRINAGAR: Security forces have launched a massive hunt to track down Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) terrorist and Pakistani national Abu Ismail, who has emerged as the mastermind of the deadly attack on Amarnath pilgrims .
Proactive operations have been launched, mainly in south Kashmir, to track down Ismail as investigations including communication intercepts have pointed out to his involvement in the attack on Amarnath pilgrims, a senior police official said.
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Lashkar has not only distanced itself from the attack on Amarnath pilgrims but also condemned the attack.
LeT spokesman Abdullah Ghaznavi, while condemning the attack on pilgrims, has said, "It is against Islamic teachings".
"The attack on the pilgrims is highly reprehensible act. Islam does not allow violence against any faith," he said.

Why LeT is condemning this attack..???

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 12 Jul 2017 15:39

This talk of Kashmiriyat is bogus..what we are seeing in Kashmir is extension of what is happening in ME and other places. This is attempt by Ummahs to put Islamic rule in place, using sam dam dand bhed.
Lakhs attending funeral of B Wani & others simply mean JK Ummas are past point of return.
Recetly LeT has also issued diktat that women should not participate in stone pelting, should be fully covered in viel & stay indoors.
Regular war cry against India by several islamic outfits in JK mean that JK is witnessing extension of ideology that was prevalent so far in Syria & Iraq. Just that territory is still with India gov.
We should be ready to fight this ideology.
As a ref Look up at how is China fighting Islamic militancy. While keeping Pk under feet.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 12 Jul 2017 15:43

^^^ Yeah right, LeT 'condemns'. Paki PR at its perverted best. What Pakis have accomplished through this attack is: 1) Use of the word 'terrorist' is some generic sense as though they are from Mars, 2) Differentiate between LeT and so called western gold standard for 'global terrorist', 3) Given enough cover for KMs to spit on India and call for 'dialogue' even as they perfunctorily condemn the attack. And note, I have not heard any KM hold LeT or Pakis responsible, they will say 'we condemn the terrorist attack', and 4. Bludgeoned the Indian elite in New Delhi into tame submission that they cannot summon the intellectual honesty and moral courage to paint this as unadulterated evil that it is.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 12 Jul 2017 15:45

Akshay Kapoor wrote:Thing is we are very good at all kinds of analysis but what we need is clarity of thought and purposeful action that is lacking.

+108

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 12 Jul 2017 17:11

IndraD wrote:mean while wiki is spreading mis information by validating that bus was caught in cross fire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist ... tra_(2017)

We should counter this. Can't a BR team of software experts correct this ? Have suggested to mods.

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 12 Jul 2017 17:16

http://www.news18.com/news/india/reveal ... 59029.html
Revealed: Pak Arming Hizbul Mujahideen With Chemical Weapons