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Re: Amarnath Yatris killed in terror attack. Allahoakbar

Postby DrRatnadip » 15 Jul 2017 03:26

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/pdp-mla ... 601778.cms

PDP MLA's driver held for attack on Amarnath yatris


SRINAGAR: Jammu & Kashmir police detained on Friday a cop who serves as a driver for PDP MLA Aijaz Ahmad Mir for questioning in connection with this week's terror attack on Amarnath pilgrims.
After picking up Touseef Ahmad, a resident of Pulwama, police said the detention was related to a militancy case. Sources said two other persons had been arrested for their alleged involvement in the attack.
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Touseef was deputed as the MLA's driver from the security wing of J&K police some seven months ago. IGP Muneer Kahn said Touseef, who has been found to have links with militants, is being questioned. "He is cooperating with us and spilling the beans," he said.
[MLA Mr. Aizaz Mir is 28 years old Practising Advocate and Social Activist from Shopian ]

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Postby ramana » 15 Jul 2017 04:24

Give them time and our Police will get to bottom of it.
Only we don't have time on Forum and folks get argumentative.

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Postby LokeshC » 15 Jul 2017 07:14

Reading RDs scenario reminded me of a story i read somewhere about Iraq and unkil.

The basic question is this, the mob takes time to gather and get riled up. The question is whether they take more than 4 hours to form. If so, then one way would be to go after those who supply food to these folks.

Worked in Iraq ( will search for the reference) but I am sure situation here is completely different as these are our own citizens on our own soil. Just a thought.

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Postby UlanBatori » 15 Jul 2017 07:28

Lots of info here

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/622 ... rnath.html
The Special Investigation Team, probing the recent terror attack on Amarnath pilgrims, has arrested a policeman for his suspected role in the incident. A ruling PDP legislator is also being questioned in connection with the case.

Touseef Ahmad, from the security wing of the Jammu and Kashmir Police, who had been deputed as driver to Wachi MLA Aijaz Mir seven months ago, was picked up by the police on Thursday, sources told DH.
“Ahmad was arrested based on a phone intercept. The policeman had made a call to a militant handler and on the basis of that clue, he is being questioned by the SIT,” a source said.
According to sources, more than 20 people have been questioned so far in the case. “Some of them were released after questioning, while a few others are still in police custody. The SIT is investigating as to who provided the lead to militants about the movement of the yatra bus that was attacked,” the source said.
IGP (Kashmir) Muneer Khan, while confirming Ahmad’s arrest, said the SIT is probing as who provided the militants logistic and local support. “The policeman, a resident of Chakoura, Pulwama, found to have links with militants, is being questioned. He is cooperating with us and is spilling the beans,” he told reporters.
MLA Mir confirmed that his driver has been arrested for investigation in a “militancy related case”. The six-member SIT is headed by DIG (South Kashmir) S P Pani and includes SSP (Anantnag) Altaf Khan, a DSP-rank officer and some others.
Seven pilgrims were killed and 19 injured...


ramana, I don't see anything about the 3 attackers being nabbed yet.

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Postby Karthik S » 15 Jul 2017 07:30

LokeshC wrote:Reading RDs scenario reminded me of a story i read somewhere about Iraq and unkil.

The basic question is this, the mob takes time to gather and get riled up. The question is whether they take more than 4 hours to form. If so, then one way would be to go after those who supply food to these folks.

Worked in Iraq ( will search for the reference) but I am sure situation here is completely different as these are our own citizens on our own soil. Just a thought.


What would unkil cops do if some group throws stones at them leading to potential loss of cops' lives, their soil, their citizens, we need to do the same.

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Postby shiv » 15 Jul 2017 09:51

Rudradev wrote:I want to point out a common operational tactic in Islamist mass-violence in the Indian subcontinent. It's a pattern you see repeatedly in incidents of such mass-violence, whatever their intensity or supposed "root cause".

I've sketched a couple of rough graphics to illustrate..


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Postby JE Menon » 15 Jul 2017 10:50

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Postby panduranghari » 15 Jul 2017 13:19

Prem Kumar wrote:I have a corollary to this model: Every Muslim is at most 2 degrees separated from a sleeper cell.


You are very much on the ball. Its as accurate depiction as it can be. Let me give you an example. In the extended circle of friends and acquaintences, a Hindu man has married an Mohmeddan woman. Their kids have Arabic names. The woman is an Ashraf from Aligarh. In circles she claims she is atheist. As almost all others are Hindus. A cursory look at the kitab-e-chehra reveals her 2 brothers, are book hardcore islamists. And I was not surprised. The couple Cant help themselves from saying how we should carry out pappi-zhappi with Paki.

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Postby panduranghari » 15 Jul 2017 13:33

Primus wrote:^^
The other reason is that once a muslim gets a 'western education' or degree, he is highly desirable to the peacefools, esp in ME where they crave the attention of goras but will be happy with substitutes. BMJ in days of yore used to carry job adverts from the ME that very clearly asked for British degree holders and were happy to take even Indians with such and paid them 2-3 times what a desi from India would get. I know some who are still there after 30 yrs!


Still see those adverts for Doobai, Riyadh and Doha. Stories told by some Indian mates about their experiences makes me shudder and I do wonder how can the love for money overtake the love for your own survival.

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Postby shiv » 15 Jul 2017 14:10

panduranghari wrote:
Prem Kumar wrote:I have a corollary to this model: Every Muslim is at most 2 degrees separated from a sleeper cell.


You are very much on the ball. Its as accurate depiction as it can be. Let me give you an example. In the extended circle of friends and acquaintences, a Hindu man has married an Mohmeddan woman. Their kids have Arabic names. The woman is an Ashraf from Aligarh. In circles she claims she is atheist. As almost all others are Hindus. A cursory look at the kitab-e-chehra reveals her 2 brothers, are book hardcore islamists. And I was not surprised. The couple Cant help themselves from saying how we should carry out pappi-zhappi with Paki.

The explanation is simple and is derived from the oil droplet model of Islamic society. Almost everyone goes to the mosque if not 5 times a day at least once on Fridays. the Mullah is invariably a dark green jihadi. He cannot be a mullah otherwise. He has to rail against everything unislamic of which there is one heckuva lot in kafir lands and he will pass sermons on what should be done to such kafirs an practices as per book

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Postby panduranghari » 15 Jul 2017 14:15

Thanks Shiv ji.

I have shared this model with many Hindus and seculars. They cannot see it or do not wish to see it. What is worse is many of these Hindu friends are kids of Indian Army officers. They would rather do pappi jhappi than face the reality.

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Postby Gagan » 17 Jul 2017 02:03

Kids these days are by default seculars and left leaning, until the reality of life hits them.
Parents, do not protect your kids, let them be exposd to the realities of life early on

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Postby panduranghari » 17 Jul 2017 17:50

Gagan ji,

Its the same red pill- blue pill conundrum.

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Re: Amarnath Yatris killed in terror attack. Allahoakbar

Postby Primus » 17 Jul 2017 20:41

panduranghari wrote:
Primus wrote:^^
The other reason is that once a muslim gets a 'western education' or degree, he is highly desirable to the peacefools, esp in ME where they crave the attention of goras but will be happy with substitutes. BMJ in days of yore used to carry job adverts from the ME that very clearly asked for British degree holders and were happy to take even Indians with such and paid them 2-3 times what a desi from India would get. I know some who are still there after 30 yrs!


Still see those adverts for Doobai, Riyadh and Doha. Stories told by some Indian mates about their experiences makes me shudder and I do wonder how can the love for money overtake the love for your own survival.


Classmate of mine and his wife went to work in South Garbagia for a while. They had done their usual 'training' in the UK and were thus highly desirable and well compensated. Made lots of money. Then one day he saw a public beheading in the parking lot of a local Walmart equivalent. Continued to work regardless. Finally, as they were waiting at the airport to fly back to UK on their annual vacation (paid for by the local job), the social-police guy approaches his wife and asks her why her arms are not covered. She replied because I'm hot and in any case I am just waiting to board my flight to the UK. He told her he would arrest her right there and then unless she complied. Needless to say they never returned from the vacation and have been in the UK ever since.

Sometimes it takes a really big 'dhakka' to get people to see things for what they really are. Sadly at least half-dozen of my classmates are still there.

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Re: Amarnath Yatris killed in terror attack. Allahoakbar

Postby ramana » 17 Jul 2017 21:02

OK! Lets stick to the topic.

What are updates of the Amarnath Yatra attack?

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Postby ramana » 17 Jul 2017 22:26

Real AoA!!!!

All three LeTlets killed.

Abu Ismail still at large.


https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/statu ... 2141903873

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Postby dineshchaturvedi » 18 Jul 2017 05:59

abhik wrote:All major decisions are taken at PM and cabinet level. Kadi Ninda is only in charge day to day affairs, with much assistance from the NSA. Unless there is a decision made at the very top to change the status quo (i.e do nothing) there is little he can do.

As a outsider I am seeing things little differently. As per my understanding after Mehebooba and Modi meet where she was given a timeline to fix or let him fix. I don't remember the date but some days later Army changed strategy Corden and Search started. From then I constantly see momentum building for Army they are having success frequently. I see killing like every other day and even big success has started. My point is that how come people here think nothing is changing. I can understand the people who barely get into details.

FYI. I am a civilian living in US and work in IT. I am just passionate about Army and try to read about them daily.

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Postby dineshchaturvedi » 18 Jul 2017 06:05

shiv wrote:
Rudradev wrote:I want to point out a common operational tactic in Islamist mass-violence in the Indian subcontinent. It's a pattern you see repeatedly in incidents of such mass-violence, whatever their intensity or supposed "root cause".

I've sketched a couple of rough graphics to illustrate..


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The challenge is very high, in spite of this I see our forces are doing great job. That increased my respect many folds.

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Postby dineshchaturvedi » 18 Jul 2017 06:06

ramana wrote:Real AoA!!!!

All three LeTlets killed.

Abu Ismail still at large.


https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/statu ... 2141903873

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The way I see this unfolding. His days are numbered.

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Postby krisna » 18 Jul 2017 06:17

IIRC retd lt gen Syed ATA Husnain mentioned a few months in his article in swarajyamag ??that things will be hot for terrorists. We have to brace ourselves for any attacks desperate to shore up the shagging morale of the terrorists. Paki handlers are having tough time to convince them.
(Higher money needed to give to family members )

He predicted this mopping up operations with likely increased defence casualties may take a year.
This is what few others are alluding too by saying by winter things will be much better.

Likely the Amarnath terrorists attack is a soft desperate type one to boost the dropping morale.

Hope the defence forces send the rats and pigs to their destined shithole asap.

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Postby ramana » 18 Jul 2017 06:19

Next month August could see an increase of attacks.

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Postby IndraD » 19 Jul 2017 14:30

Three LeT terrorists killed on Monday were involved in Amarnath attack: army http://www.financialexpress.com/india-n ... my/768281/

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Postby ramana » 21 Jul 2017 06:03

X-Posting important post from Intel thread in Mil Forum:


sum wrote:Interesting insight into how many layers of agents and double agents are running around in J&K:
Police informant’s killing 2 months ago may hold key to attack on Amarnath yatris

Muhammad Yusuf Dar was buried on the third Friday of May, at his ancestral graveyard in the village of Gadoora, as a few dozen local residents stood by shouting slogans in support of Kashmir’s independence. His body had been found lying in the fields the previous day, ripped apart by bullets, killed by the men he had risked his life to serve.

Now, as J&K Police and intelligence services investigate Monday’s Amarnath Yatra attack, in which seven pilgrims were killed, one question has emerged as key: what led jihad commanders to raise the stakes by executing the first strike on religious pilgrims since 2006?

The answer could lie in the story of that man buried in Gadoora — a committed jihadist, and at the same time, a police spy.

For years now, jihadists have described the Yatra as part of a Hindutva plot to displace Muslims from the Valley, although such messages were rarely acted on. But an investigation by The Indian Express has revealed that a grim war within the Lashkar-e-Taiba, which claimed Dar’s life, may have led its commanders to finally target the pilgrimage in a bid to establish their ideological legitimacy before their followers.

A committed political Islamist, Dar was known to police for providing shelter and assistance to jihadist groups operating in and around his village. His relationship with Pakistani national Abdul Rehman, the LeT commander code-named Abu Qasim who took charge of South Kashmir in 2010-2011, was said to be intimate. :?: :?: :?:

In 2013, sources familiar with the case say, police found their way in, when Syed Abdul Shabir, Station House Officer of Chadoora, was killed by three gunmen at a hardware store in the local bazaar.


Inside the Lashkar, intelligence sources say, many suspected that Dar had something to do with Qasim’s killing. Qasim’s successor — still known only by the alias Abu Dujana — steered clear of Dar and his support networks, fearing infiltration. However, as the months ticked by, a new modus-vivendi developed between the two men, with Dujana discovering Dar’s use as a logistics provider.

Through 2016, as large-scale protests swept South Kashmir in the wake of the killing of Burhan Wani, the LeT was ordered to maintain a low profile, and focus on building a popular base. Dujana, sources say, used the opportunity to marry a local woman in the village of Singoo near Kakapora in Pulwama. Armed operations almost ground to a halt, even as the flow of information continued. :?:

Soon, sources say, Dujana’s deputies began to question his actions, blaming Dar’s influence. One of them, code-named Abu Ismail, even set up a rival faction, along with ethnic-Kashmiri jihadist Muhammad Ayub and two other south Kashmir residents. The group operated in the belt from Chadoora to Pampore, seeking to cash in on the rage unleashed after Wani’s death.

Meanwhile, sources say, police mounted pressure on Dar to deliver his boss, Dujana. The LeT’s growing popularity in southern Kashmir had become a source of strategic concern, and the fact that it had long-serving leaders like Dujana was seen as a key reason for its ability to garner support in the countryside.

In May, Dar delivered. Dujana was trapped in an Army cordon in north Kashmir, where he had gone to receive two new fidayeen. But the operation was bungled, and the target escaped. Days later, Dar was found shot dead.


I don't know if this another grandmother crossed LOC genre report.

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Postby Pratyush » 21 Jul 2017 09:01

A lot of questions come to mind reading this report.

1, what does this have to do with anything.
2. it not like the ya tra has not been attacked before.
3. So why attribute the attack to the murder of a terrorist by fellow terrorist.

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Postby Prem Kumar » 21 Jul 2017 09:14

Is that an article by Praveen Swami?

If so, it's likely an ISI planted story to make it look like the Amarnath Yatra murders were the fallout of a "local gang war", thus absolving Pakistan

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Postby SBajwa » 01 Aug 2017 00:01

Dr. Shiv! can you please add to your oil droplet model like

Deobandi/Wahabi/Tablighi/Jamati to be dark Green
Barelvi, etc to be light green
Purple to be Shia/sufi/etc

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Postby ramana » 01 Aug 2017 00:35

SBajwa it is a matter of power.
Once upon a time all these were interchangeable.
In other words during the Fatimid dynasty the Shia were dark green.
During the Ottoman Turkey the Naqshbandi Sufi were dark green.

Most of the atrocities that India saw was from peaceful Sufis.
And don't forget the Persian Shia Nadir Shah's sack of Delhi.
He was very Shia too.

These are travelling labels.

More important is the concept of purple to light to dark green.

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Postby Garooda » 01 Aug 2017 19:25

panduranghari wrote:They would rather do pappi jhappi than face the reality.
The term 'wussification' and 'submissive' comes to mind. All thanks to the secular media and entertainment industry.

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Postby Gagan » 01 Aug 2017 20:28

The have competing ideologies, and each is trying to earn sawab.
Its just that the wahabi's have taken a lead, this past few decades and stolen the thunder from the other side.
Talk to the israelis, their view point is different. The wahabis are actually milder from their POV.

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Postby DrRatnadip » 06 Aug 2017 16:27

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/three-a ... 941109.cms

Three arrested for attack on Amarnath yatris: IGP Kashmir Munir Khan

NEW DELHI: Nearly a month after eight Amarnath pilgrims were killed during a terror attack in Jammu and Kashmir's Pahalgam area, the state police on Sunday said that they have cracked the case.
"Ismail, a Pakistani terrorist of Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) alongwith two other associates and a local Kashmiri terrorist carried out the attack," IGP (Kashmir) Munir Khan said while addressing a press conference in Srinagar.
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Giving details about the attack, the IGP said, "Three locals provided logistics support to the terrorists. All of the accused have been arrested and produced before court, currently under police remand."
"During investigation the accused completely revealed everything about the modus operandi of the terror attack," he said, adding, "They had code word 'Shaukat' for yatri vehicle and 'Bilal' for CRPF vehicle. It was purely a terrorist act."



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