Maldives Civil-Military Issues

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Re: Maldives Civil-Military Issues

Postby yensoy » 30 Sep 2018 14:24

nits wrote:Hypothetical situation - Maldievs total debt from China is US$1.2bn. Can India pay it to Maldives for China payoff and take joint control of some island - more of a partnership based model so that model is diff from china's...

We have provided Billion plus to couple of countries in past also and above move will seal all furtehr china's moves or will it open flood gates of expectations from other countries ?


We can pay 25c for the dollar and take control of a couple of islands for a full debt write-off. Otherwise why on earth should we throw good money after bad?

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Re: Maldives Civil-Military Issues

Postby chetak » 30 Sep 2018 14:43

nits wrote:Hypothetical situation - Maldievs total debt from China is US$1.2bn. Can India pay it to Maldives for China payoff and take joint control of some island - more of a partnership based model so that model is diff from china's...

We have provided Billion plus to couple of countries in past also and above move will seal all furtehr china's moves or will it open flood gates of expectations from other countries ?


Why??

when have the ummah been appreciative of India??

For all of them, we are sharia mandated use and throw disposables, enticed and fooled by taqiya as and when needed.

Getting into a financial pissing contest with the hans is a game we can never ever win, at least for the foreseeable future.

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Re: Maldives Civil-Military Issues

Postby nam » 30 Sep 2018 14:50

nits wrote:Hypothetical situation - Maldievs total debt from China is US$1.2bn. Can India pay it to Maldives for China payoff and take joint control of some island - more of a partnership based model so that model is diff from china's...

We have provided Billion plus to couple of countries in past also and above move will seal all furtehr china's moves or will it open flood gates of expectations from other countries ?


What will be do in Maldives, that we cannot do in Laksdweep?

Instead of we paying off Chinese loans, we can ask Maldives to default on Chinese loans.

In return we promise to send more married couples for their honeymoon.

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Re: Maldives Civil-Military Issues

Postby Bart S » 30 Sep 2018 16:03

nits wrote:Hypothetical situation - Maldievs total debt from China is US$1.2bn. Can India pay it to Maldives for China payoff and take joint control of some island - more of a partnership based model so that model is diff from china's...

We have provided Billion plus to couple of countries in past also and above move will seal all furtehr china's moves or will it open flood gates of expectations from other countries ?


That would be a really bad move. Even purely financially its just plainly a bad deal. What should happen is that Maldives should be backed by India to say that the deals were corrupt and were being abrogated, with India offering to pick up some of the useful projects and also back up the country militarily. If they do want to 'settle' with the Chinese the most that should be offered is 10% of that amount as a full and final settlement to part ways without defaulting.

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Re: Maldives Civil-Military Issues

Postby chetak » 30 Sep 2018 17:40

Bart S wrote:
nits wrote:Hypothetical situation - Maldievs total debt from China is US$1.2bn. Can India pay it to Maldives for China payoff and take joint control of some island - more of a partnership based model so that model is diff from china's...

We have provided Billion plus to couple of countries in past also and above move will seal all furtehr china's moves or will it open flood gates of expectations from other countries ?


That would be a really bad move. Even purely financially its just plainly a bad deal. What should happen is that Maldives should be backed by India to say that the deals were corrupt and were being abrogated, with India offering to pick up some of the useful projects and also back up the country militarily. If they do want to 'settle' with the Chinese the most that should be offered is 10% of that amount as a full and final settlement to part ways without defaulting.


The hans cannot enforce repayment in any of their projects, well, maybe just with the pakis since the two are joined at the hip.

Default and repayment of a few cents on the dollar is the best they may be able to get.

We should keep out of this mess until some situation is precipitated by maldives and the rest of the world reacts.

Just look at how indonesia got out of it.

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Re: Maldives Civil-Military Issues

Postby Supratik » 30 Sep 2018 20:16

Maldives is too small to stare down China. If we can buy an empty airport and a port in Trincomalee in SL among other things for strategic reasons we can surely bail out Maldives. It also allows us to insert more firmly into Maldives and prevent a future deviation towards China. Ultimate Chinese aim is military. They would like to have military bases all over the world to protect their economic, strategic and geo-political aims. Their model is similar to the colonial era model of Europeans, British, Soviets and in the modern era USA.

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Re: Maldives Civil-Military Issues

Postby jpremnath » 30 Sep 2018 20:44

Come to think of it..how many billions of dollars are wasted every year now bailing out stupid PSUs like Air India and those sorts..and we are underwriting banks and their NPAs through LIC and other arrangements which seem to be a never ending saga...
Paying up the 1.2b$ for maldives will be the best way to spent a billion dollars of tax payers money considering just the strategic reasons..we build a permanent base of some sort and make sure the Hans are banned permanently from those sea lanes in Arabian Sea...

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Re: Maldives Civil-Military Issues

Postby RKumar » 30 Sep 2018 20:55

Why India should bear the costs of the corrupted leadership of Maldives? We will be setting the wrong precedent for other countries to take dumb as well as corrupt decisions because they know India will rescue them at the 11th hour. Maldive should feel the pain of their actions. If they would like to make a deal with India, let Maldive's handover few islands to India as they did to China - in a so-called business deal.

Sorry, there is no free lunch!!

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Re: Maldives Civil-Military Issues

Postby Supratik » 30 Sep 2018 21:01

No that is not how nations work. India just gave Bdesh $5 billion dollars. In diplomacy you need to cultivate friends and stare down enemies. Maldives is not an enemy. They had made a bad choice which they have now overturned. This is the right time to show India appreciates it.

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Re: Maldives Civil-Military Issues

Postby chetak » 30 Sep 2018 21:09

jpremnath wrote:Come to think of it..how many billions of dollars are wasted every year now bailing out stupid PSUs like Air India and those sorts..and we are underwriting banks and their NPAs through LIC and other arrangements which seem to be a never ending saga...
Paying up the 1.2b$ for maldives will be the best way to spent a billion dollars of tax payers money considering just the strategic reasons..we build a permanent base of some sort and make sure the Hans are banned permanently from those sea lanes in Arabian Sea...


Maldives is a financial sinkhole.

No money to them under any circumstances. A little aid, yes but paying off loans is a big no, no.

Anyway, exactly who has asked the maldives to payback?? Have the hans sent them an eviction notice?? Why are we in such a panic to pay back the maldive "loans"??

The messier it becomes, the better for us because other BRI/OBOR countries will try and back out too. Let the mess unravel on its own. Let the hans feel the pain and besides, what if the next maldives dictator who come along, invites the hans once again?? Will the hans then return our $1.2 billion with interest??

Soon it will be under water because of global warming.

When that happens, and not if, India is the best bet for these sorry ummah types to scramble on to. The hans will not even give them the time of day when that happens and han desh is anyway too far for them to go to and the han don't want ummah anyway. Someone in the maldives is doing his math right.

So India it is.

The dangers of rising waters are much better known to folks from countries like maldives and beediland rather than the inward looking and navel gazing Indians who are at peace with themselves while our slippery neighbors are greedily eying our huge land and resources.

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Re: Maldives Civil-Military Issues

Postby chetak » 30 Sep 2018 21:20

Supratik wrote:No that is not how nations work. India just gave Bdesh $5 billion dollars. In diplomacy you need to cultivate friends and stare down enemies. Maldives is not an enemy. They had made a bad choice which they have now overturned. This is the right time to show India appreciates it.


We have paid the beedis for some transit rights and the use of a beedi port to ship goods to our NE. That's what the $5 billion is for.

Transit rights and use of beedi ports we should have got for free after 1971 if the ummah were/are ever capable of being grateful.

Using diplomacy, the beedis have papered over the true nature of the payment and the deal that they are still looking for desperately is the teesta waters sharing where they want India to hand over its usual gift of 80% of the waters, just like we gave to the pakis.

The beedis are no friends of ours. When one has the time, one can check out some beedi sites, you tube postings and other messages that tell one exactly what the beedi think of India and the Indians.

This beedi govt is smart and clever in swindling India and playing off India Vs the hans to benefit from both. The opposition has a rabid hatred for India and if they come to power, we may just get kicked out because the opposition is extremely paki pasand despite all the rape and genocide that the pakis visited upon the beedis in 1971.

Even these guys follow an eerily similar paki like pattern of mutilating the bodies of the Indian jawans.

This was an old incident that happened some years ago but just lookk at the brutality of our very good friends.


Barbaric killing of BSF jawans puts India-Bangladesh relations under severe strain



It is an image that will haunt relations between India and Bangladesh for years to come. The body of a slain Border Security Force (BSF) jawan tied to a pole and carried like an animal carcass.

Accompanying it were the grisly visuals of trussed up, mutilated and brutalised bodies of 15 other BSF personnel killed in the Boraibari incident on April 18. Understandably there was a national outrage.

Even as tensions continued to mount last week, with both sides fortifying their borders with additional troops, Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee came under fire from his own partymen for not taking tough retaliatory action against Bangladesh.
Yet almost 10 days after the fracas, instead of clarity there is still enormous confusion over what really caused the worst flare-up on the Indo-Bangladesh border since the 1971 war. There were other searching questions: how did the 16 BSF men die and why were the bodies returned mutilated? Why did the Indian Government do everything to de-escalate the situation, even risking flak for soft-pedalling the issue?

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The truth may take awhile in coming but there are indications that the earlier reports about what really happened were misleading. That while Bangladesh did make the first aggressive move, a bungled counter-attack by India well inside Bangladesh's territory may have resulted in the death of the BSF personnel. This could also explain why the Indian Government's response was restrained, both verbally and in military terms.

The 4,096-kmborder between the two countries has always been tense. In the past six months alone, regular skirmishes between the BSF and its counterpart, the Bangladesh Rifles (BDR), have left 32 dead, mostly civilians.
Reports of abductions and assaults on women in the villages have been common and local resentment against the troops is high. There is also a dispute since the 1971 war over who has territorial rights to certain pockets of land or enclaves along the irregular border. There are 111 Indian enclaves in Bangladesh and 50 Bangladeshi ones in India.

The current hostilities broke out over two such enclaves - one bordering Meghalaya and the other Assam. Trouble began on April 15 at a village called Pyrdiwah in Meghalaya. It is now clear that the BDR, in a surprising show of aggression, moved in to capture it. An entire battalion strength (1,000 men) of the BDR had walked in through the arecanut groves and encircled the 31 BSF personnel guarding the post.
The BSF held their ground and waited for reinforcements to be sent. It took a day for three additional companies (each company comprises 100 men) to reach the area.The BSF asked for a flag meeting - the usual practice to settle such adventurism which has happened several times along the border.

But the BDR stuck to its stand that Pyrdiwah was partof Bangladesh and asked the BSF for proof that the village was on Indian territory. When the BSF showed them papers, the BDR said they wanted to see original documents, not photocopies.

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BRUTAL END: The bodies of the 16 BSF personnel were badly mutilated All along the BDR insisted that the BSF vacate the village and that they would not budge because they had orders from Dhaka. The next day, on April 17, BDR Director-General Fazlur Rahman gave details of the Pyrdiwah thrust and told the media proudly: "We have just completed a mission to restore our territory and sovereignty." It may have also been a ploy by Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina Wajed to shake off her pro-India image, which could prove tobe a liability in an election year.The Indian response, however, spun things out of control.

On hearing of the Pyrdiwah capture, BSF Director-General Gurbachan Jagat issued an alert and ordered intensive patrolling. "If they could suddenly get belligerent in Pyrdiwah, there was no way of ruling out similar incidents elsewhere," he said.
Patrols were asked to go out along the zero line that divides the two countries, for unlike in Kashmir where each battalion is responsible for a30kmstretch, in the North-east, each battalion has to cover 90 km and thus there is a gap of 7-9 km between posts.

Patrols were out after the red alert but at Mankachar in Assam, over 200 km away from Pyrdiwah, the BSF had other ideas. A party of 50-60 men drawn from 118 Battalion and led by Deputy Commandant B.R. Mondol was making an attempt to capture a post well into Bangladesh territory.

It is still not clear whether Mondol was acting on His own or whether there were secretorders from BSF headquarters clearing the capture of a post to be used as a bargaining chip to regain Pyrdiwah. Officially, Jagat denies that such an order was passed and maintains it was a decision made by the local commander. "I asked for intensive patrolling," he says, adding," Crossing the fence was not part of the brief." The operation, however, was ill conceived in more ways than one.

SAFE AND SOUND: A BSF jawan after he was handed over to Indian authorities by the BDRTo begin with, the choice of the post was horribly wrong. Unlike Pyrdiwah, which is an adverse possession - a village inhabited by Indians but one that actually belongs to Bangladesh (till the border agreement is ratified and the populations exchanged) - Boraibari bordering Assam lies across a fence.

Also, unlike Pyrdiwah, which is neither fenced nor has any pillars to clearly demarcate it, Boraibari is a large village with a population of at least 1,000. Its population has also largely been hostile to India because, as one senior official admitted, "We have often fired at them for entering our territory to cut trees."
The issue of the BSF firing on civilians has often figured in the bi-annual meetings between the BSF and BDR chiefs. Former BSF chief E.N. Ram Mohan was even described as a "trigger happy chief" by Indian diplomats stationed in Dhaka, for the high commissioner there often got called to the Bangladesh foreign office over BSF firing on civilians.

Splitting the BSF party into three groups, Mondol led one comprising 16 men. Their aim-to cross the Boraibari village and occupy the BDR post. This was error number one, for unlike the Pyrdiwah post which is located on an adverse possession, the BDR post is on Bangladeshi land.

The BSF would thus be violating Bangladesh's sovereignty if they took it and the BDR had the right to retaliate with force if necessary. Besides, Mondol had neither the numerical strength nor the fire power or the communication back-up that is crucial to counter-attacks. Mondol and party walked through a gat ealong the fence and took a nullah to reach Boraibari. They were totally unprepared for what followed.

Discovered by civilians, Mondol and his men heard aloud voice over the megaphone at the local mosque appealing to all villagers to gather because they were under attack from the BSF. According to the official version, before they knew it, the BSF party had been surrounded and dispossessed of weapons and wireless sets. Dragged by civilians and handed over to the BDR, Mondol's was among the 15 bodies that came back in wooden boxes, muti-lated and shot at point-blank range. There is even evidence that Mondol may have been shot dead a day after he was captured.

So why did the BSF party not fire in self defence? "Probably because they are trained not to fire at civilians," says Jagat. But the rule changes if there is a life-endangering situation like the one in which the BSF men found themselves. Why did the party not try and send out a wireless message to warn their seniors? "Mondol probably felt that being a Bengali, he could handle it himself," says a BSF officer.
There is a third explanation - they were caught in foreign territory and had no business to be there. A more uncharitable theory is that the BSF men were busy pillaging the village when the BDR struck.

India began moving only after the BDR announced the killing of the 16BSF personnel in the Boraibari encounter on April 18.Foreign Secretary Chokila Iyer summoned the Bangladesh High Commissioner Mustafa Farooq Mohammed to South Block.

Iyer, handling the first major diplomatic crisis since her appointment earlier this year, said the "unprovoked and unwarranted" intrusion by the BDR was unacceptable. She apparently told the high commissioner in no uncertain terms that in case status quo ante was not restored in Pyrdiwah and cross-border firing not stopped, Delhi would not be responsible if the situation got out of hand.
Around midnight, Iyer received a call from Bangladesh Foreign Secretary Syed Muazzam Ali, saying that orders had been issued to restore status quo ante as well as for immediate withdrawal from Pyrdiwah. The BDR withdrew from Pyrdiwah by the night of April 19.

TAKING PRECAUTIONS: Patrolling has been intensified on both sides of the Indo-Bangladesh border after the incidents

Although the BDR handed over the 16 bodies to the BSF on April 20, Prime Minister Vajpayee could convey "India's deep sense of hurt and anguish" over the mutilation of bodies to Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina Wajed only two days later.

The conversation took place hours after Foreign Minister Jaswant Singh expressed similar sentiments to his Bangladeshi counterpart Abdus Samad Azad.

If India's initial response to the BDR's misadventure was muted it was because the flare up came at a time when India was looking towards fulfilment of its pending agenda to promote security and economic interests in Bangladesh and beyond. With a friendly Sheikh Hasina-led Awami League Government in Dhaka, Indians were visualizing some bilateral benefits that would make its north-eastern region more secure. Delhi is keen to get transit rights through Bangladesh in order to reduce the vulnerability of the Siliguri corridor.

It wants access to natural gas in Bangladesh (some 428 billion cu m of it) in order to feed its energy hungry markets but cannot do so given the political situation in Dhaka. In fact, Bangladesh is central to India's theme to draw closer physical linkages with south-east Asia.

However, the "unwarranted" intrusion by the BDR has severely jolted the Indian plans and could derail Delhi's strategic interests. The anti-India sentiment currently raging in Bangladesh may give a leading edge in the forthcoming elections to Khaleda Zia's Bangladesh National Party, which has strong fundamentalist overtones.

The Indian reaction to Pyrdiwah appears to have gauged the extent of its negative impact on Delhi's relationship with Dhaka.The Government knew that if not handled properly, the border crisis had the potential to reopen the eastern front, thus nullifying the prime objective of the 1971 conflict.

Also, as G. Parthasarthy, former Indian high commissioner to Pakistan, says, "It could be Pakistan's plan to open another front on India's eastern sector in order to divert Indian troops from Kashmir where the passes will be opening shortly." While hasty action could have regrettable fallouts, Delhi's reaction to the Boraibari massacre has come in for criticism. In the coming months it will have to justify its restraint as more uncomfortable truths pour out.

- with Ruben Banerjee and Almas Zakiuddin in Dhaka
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Re: Maldives Civil-Military Issues

Postby Supratik » 30 Sep 2018 21:37

You are on the wrong track. No one is going to give upfront 5 billion dollars for transit/port rights. That is for development specifically a gift to Hasina. Thankfully you are not running the MEA.

Eventually we will talk to Maldives once the winner takes control and hopefully get a settlement to get rid of the Chinese.

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Re: Maldives Civil-Military Issues

Postby chetak » 30 Sep 2018 21:54

Supratik wrote:You are on the wrong track. No one is going to give upfront 5 billion dollars for transit/port rights. That is for development specifically a gift to Hasina. Thankfully you are not running the MEA.

Eventually we will talk to Maldives once the winner takes control and hopefully get a settlement to get rid of the Chinese.


Call it what you want saar, What we gave was a "gift" and what we got was transit and port rights. Your definition sounds more diplomatic compared to my crass and vulgar transactional understanding of the matter. There were some twitter discussions about this but that was some time ago.

knowing aunty hasina, I wonder how many more billions went under the table.

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Re: Maldives Civil-Military Issues

Postby Supratik » 30 Sep 2018 22:02

Chetak, these are the poodles. The real ring leader is in Beijing. No point in troubling poodles if they behave. Better they ask for biscuits and wag their tail when you return home.

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Supratik wrote:Chetak, these are the poodles. The real ring leader is in Beijing. No point in troubling poodles if they behave. Better they ask for biscuits and wag their tail when you return home.


The "poodles" as you call them have sent millions upon millions of their unwashed abduls into India. Most of them with family, illegally and greedily consuming Indian resources and taking away jobs that can be better used by our own people.

What more damage is left to do??

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Re: Maldives Civil-Military Issues

Postby RKumar » 01 Oct 2018 01:13

Supratik wrote:No that is not how nations work. India just gave Bdesh $5 billion dollars. In diplomacy you need to cultivate friends and stare down enemies. Maldives is not an enemy. They had made a bad choice which they have now overturned. This is the right time to show India appreciates it.


Did I say Maldives is an enemy state? It is an independent nation, they have to take responsibility for their actions. As Indian's, we never learn. Do we?

NEPAL - We went all the way to support Nepal during the last earthquake - what we got in return for infusing money, equipment and men? Only arrogance, disrespect and blame for interfering in their internal matters. What we did in the end, pulled back our equipment and men without single thank you.

PAKISTAN - Every time we give them chances to save their H&D, their Generals egos and face at the cost of our soldiers scarifies. What we are getting in return more blood and dead bodies.

CHINA - We gave them UN permanent seat, voice and prestige in the world. Suppressed Tibetian movement, while all these years China used Pakistanis to suppress us. Provided nuclear weapons and missile technology to Pak.

Maldives - Why we should jump to Maldives rescue? If they can sell some islands to China, why they can't make similar deals with us? Does only China has national interests, we are selfless saints like only. We can offer few million here and there .... but not billions.

National interests are paramount, everything else is negotiable. It has to start now ...

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Re: Maldives Civil-Military Issues

Postby abhijitm » 01 Oct 2018 14:35

Bail out shouldn't be so easy when you create financial mess. If India bail out once then it set a precedence and encourages countries to create more mess with china. How many times we can do that? Governments come and go, balance of power swings. We simply cannot pay china and bail out borrowers.

First male need to develop balls and scrap the chinese projects and tell chinese go to hell. We can then work with them to limit the damage and see where can we cooperate.

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Postby Supratik » 01 Oct 2018 17:49

That is precisely what is likely to happen. India will negotiate a deal with Maldives just like SL.

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Re: Maldives Civil-Military Issues

Postby Picklu » 01 Oct 2018 22:48

There is a reason why Trump has banned imf bail out for chinese loans.

It effectively rewards China. They get full ROI on their loan and by enforcing utilization of their man and material for these projects, they get double benefit.

It is like the whole world paying for bolstering China's own economy. Let's not do that. Trump is smart. Let us be too.

We didn't pay anything to pick up the Airport in Hambantota. We also forced SL navy in Hambantota port to keep PLAN away.

We should follow the same model for Maldives. In the process, similar to China, let Maldives lose out a few sovereign asset. That will serve them right for their greedy misadventure.

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Postby abhijitm » 04 Oct 2018 12:56

Yameen is not giving up. Seesaw of power going on.

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Re: Maldives Civil-Military Issues

Postby shashankk » 04 Oct 2018 13:57

Maldives: Abdullah Yameen tries to stay in power, discredits poll result

Read more at:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... aign=cppst

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shashankk wrote:Maldives: Abdullah Yameen tries to stay in power, discredits poll result

Read more at:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... aign=cppst


The fine hand of the hans in the background, protecting their investment??

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Postby abhijitm » 04 Oct 2018 14:30

Their SC yesterday overruled reinstatement of 12 MPs. So now yameen's party has now majority in parliament.

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Postby abhijitm » 11 Oct 2018 09:16

Yameen has officially challenged the election. Situation is so delicate that US has now sent Alice Wells to oversee the transition. Meanwhile US state dept has issued clear warning it will not tolerate undermining the result and will take appropriate measure.

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Postby chetak » 11 Oct 2018 09:25

abhijitm wrote:Yameen has officially challenged the election. Situation is so delicate that US has now sent Alice Wells to oversee the transition. Meanwhile US state dept has issued clear warning it will not tolerate undermining the result and will take appropriate measure.


So should India.

This is as good an opportunity as ever, to undermine and undercut. Sauce for the goose and all that.

This is no time to be coy.

The islands are too strategic an asset, as well as being too close for tactical comfort, to be gifting away to the hans.

We do not be doing much more for the populace. There are already tens and tens of thousands of them already here, studying, illegally working and also illegally permanently settled here, owning property.

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Postby chetak » 15 Oct 2018 17:55

There cannot be any clearer statement of intent than this, not with Wild Bill Trump in the saddle 8)

The United States has warned against any attempt to undermine the democratic process in the Maldives, saying it will take appropriate steps against any such move.





US warns against any attempt to undermine democratic process in Maldives



US warns against any attempt to undermine democratic process in Maldives

Oct 11, 2018,


The United States has warned against any attempt to undermine the democratic process in the Maldives, saying it will take appropriate steps against any such move.

The warning was delivered on Wednesday by a top American diplomat, currently on a visit to the Maldives, during a meeting with leaders and officials of the country.

The United States and our partners view with great concern any attempt to undermine the democratic process. It is critical that the will of the Maldivian people be respected and upheld," a State Department spokesperson told after the outgoing Maldivian President Abdulla Yameen filed a petition in the Supreme Court challenging the election results in which he was defeated.

We noted before the election that the United States would consider appropriate measures against any individuals who undermined democracy", the rule of law, and a free and fair electoral process in Maldives," the spokesperson said.

Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia Alice Wells was in Maldives Tuesday and Wednesday, where she met with current Maldivian government officials, the President-elect and civil society leaders.

As Wells noted to President-elect Solih during their meeting Wednesday, we are looking at what resources and tools the US government can bring to bear to assist Maldives in its return to a democratic path and in ensuring greater security and prosperity in the Indian Ocean," the spokesperson said in response to a question.

We are keen to support Maldivian initiatives to strengthen democracy, improve governance, root out corruption, enhance security, promote economic development and bilateral trade and investment, and protect the environment," the State Department official said.

At her meeting with President-elect Solih, Wells pledged American support for his government and noted that the United States expected a peaceful and timely transfer of power.




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Re: Maldives Civil-Military Issues

Postby Lisa » 15 Oct 2018 18:29

Maldives leader Abdulla Yameen blames defeat on 'disappearing ink'

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 221219.cms

"Saleem said a "special pen with disappearing ink" had been given to people who were going to vote for his client, a reporter at the hearing said.A lawyer for the Elections Commission, which Yameen accused of colluding with the printer to ensure his defeat, on Sunday denied any wrongdoing, including using any special ink"

In other news Abdulla Yameen has been granted honorary puki citizenship!

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Re: Maldives Civil-Military Issues

Postby nam » 15 Oct 2018 18:46

Hope this guy continues to make trouble.

Good thing mobile phones now have hd cameras.

C130 landing on Male airport with paras and tavors need such cameras.

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Postby Supratik » 15 Oct 2018 19:38

As per rumors the Indian and US navy are keeping a watch on Maldives. Hope they stay in position till transfer of power.

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Postby chetak » 15 Oct 2018 19:42

Supratik wrote:As per rumors the Indian and US navy are keeping a watch on Maldives. Hope they stay in position till transfer of power.


there are also many ching chong chinaman "fishing trawlers" in the vicinity, all of them assiduously fishing away.

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Postby pankajs » 15 Oct 2018 20:22

Fishing trawlers vs Proper navy ... my condolences for the ching chongs

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Postby chetak » 15 Oct 2018 20:47

pankajs wrote:Fishing trawlers vs Proper navy ... my condolences for the ching chongs


ching chong fishing trawlers = intelligence gathering spy ships


Image


Image

ching chong spy trawler next to an aussie ship

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Postby anupmisra » 15 Oct 2018 21:59

chetak wrote:
pankajs wrote:Fishing trawlers vs Proper navy ... my condolences for the ching chongs



Back to the good old days when soviet fishing trawlers were all over the Atlantic and Pacific. Yep. We know how to deal with 'em.

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Postby Bhaskar_T » 21 Oct 2018 15:30

Very early reports on Twitter - JUST IN, couldn't find any link to support the news. Maldives supreme court gives it verdict on President Yameen's complaint that EC had rigged the polls.

Supreme Court refuses to annul the election results that declared Ibusolih as new President.

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Postby pankajs » 21 Oct 2018 16:29

The last Official Indian and US reaction seems to have put a spine in those justices. It also seems that the Police/Military forces do not seem to be in a mood to back Yameen from what I recall reading immediately following the election results.

If that is true his goose is truly cooked. All tinpot dictators need the backing for the local militias otherwise they don't stand a chance.

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Postby chetak » 21 Oct 2018 17:40

pankajs wrote:The last Official Indian and US reaction seems to have put a spine in those justices. It also seems that the Police/Military forces do not seem to be in a mood to back Yameen from what I recall reading immediately following the election results.

If that is true his goose is truly cooked. All tinpot dictators need the backing for the local militias otherwise they don't stand a chance.


will saudi give him asylum??

his neck will most likely decorate a lamp post.

Are there any trees in the maldives??

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Postby SSridhar » 07 Nov 2018 08:20

PM Modi set to visit Maldives for Solih’s swearing-in, reset ties - Indrani Bagchi, ToI
India will show, with expansive gestures, that it will support Maldives and its new president next week.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi will complete his neighbourhood circuit when he travels to Maldives for Ibrahim “Ibu” Solih’s inauguration, Maldives being the only South Asian country which Modi has not yet visited.

Although the visit is yet to be announced, PM’s official advance teams have already reached Male to begin preparations.


Modi’s presence will have a significant impact because it will signal not only that India wants to put the past rancour behind and support the new government, it is also intended to serve as a vote of confidence to Inu Solih himself. Solih invited Modi to his swearing-in when the latter called to congratulate him.

Like Maithripala Sirisena in Sri Lanka, Solih is a newbie, even though he has been in parliament for a long time, one of the founding members of MDP. Solih’s continuation and success will be a delicate game of balancing two hitherto irreconcilable politics — of Mohamed Nasheed and Maumoon Abdul Gayoom. This apart from the fact that former president Abdulla Yameen plans to remain in opposition.

Nasheed landed in Male after the courts suspended his sentence determined to recover some of his lost political space. Gayoom too hopes to play a large role in Maldives back from a prison sentence. Sources in Male said Solih will probably include Gayoom’s daughters Dunya and Yumna and Faris in his government.

Solih therefore needs all the support he can get.

India is ready to go back into Maldives, and even ready to do things a little differently, as the government had concluded after several meetings on how to recalibrate Indian presence in the island country.

For starters, India wants to reactivate all the projects that had been stalled or blocked by Yameen. These not only include infrastructure and other public sector projects, but in the past few years, Indian private sector has lost confidence in investing in Maldives.
A prime ministerial presence, the government reckons, might give it that shot in the arm. Maldives had also slowed down business approvals by Indian companies, visas for Indian workers etc. Those are expected to be reversed.

As a first step, India this week helped to bring Maldives into the Indian Ocean Rim Association (IORA) during last week’s meeting in South Africa. The next step would be to reactivate the Indian Ocean trilateral comprising India, Sri Lanka and Maldives (Mauritius and Seychelles had been added as observers later). That mini lateral holds a lot of security potential since it had been designed as a close grouping of Indian Ocean countries.

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Re: Maldives Civil-Military Issues

Postby pankajs » 07 Nov 2018 09:28

I expect the India/China competition to intensify in Maldives and around IOR is coming days. China is not going to back off just based on this setback. Rather it is going to intensify its efforts just like it did in Sri Lanka.

This is just one of the beginning round of many rounds to come. It helps one to prepare mentally if one acknowledges the realities of the world.

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Re: Maldives Civil-Military Issues

Postby Prasad » 07 Nov 2018 09:56

http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg ... story.html
China appears to have loans near $3bn!


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