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The Rohingya Menace

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby abhik » 13 Sep 2017 01:02

Major recent KLPDs like NoKo, Dhoklam, Turkey-Russia notwithstanding i'm already wet dreaming about a BD-Myanmar war.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby eklavya » 13 Sep 2017 01:58

Prem Kumar wrote:1) We should deport all Rohingya Muslims


1. Deport them where? Bangladesh is not obliged to take them.

2. We will not create conditions for them inside India where they seek refuge in Bangladesh

These people belong in Rakhine state. We should ask Burma to make it safe for them to return.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Gus » 13 Sep 2017 02:15

If it is a refugee and humanity crisis, then it should be shared burden of many countries, especially all its neighbors, especially the muslim neighbors which were carved out and formed as muslim nations.

India cannot be saddled with larger responsibility for no reason other than a section of Indians arguing for this. If that section of Indians can argue for this, then another section of Indians can also argue against this. It is their country too. They cannot just go "meh..what goes of my father" and be browbeaten in some blah blah secular and painting the plight of the victims as "facts".

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby SriJoy » 13 Sep 2017 02:17

More important question is, why are the Rohingyas coming to India and how. Rakhaine state does not have a border with India and Rohingyas are from Rakhaine state.....why/how are they ending up in Mizoram/Manipur border ?
We should talk to Burma and ask them not to put Rohingyas in our border or ask Bangladesh why are they letting Rohingyas come to India and not process them as their refugees.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Falijee » 13 Sep 2017 02:49

Like India, China too backs Myanmar government on Rohingya issue

NEW DELHI: China and India rarely see themselves on the same side, but in the case of Myanamar and the Rohingya issue, it appears they are.
Undeterred by the UN Human Rights Council's criticism of India on the issue a day earlier, China on Tuesday said it backed the Myanmar administration's efforts to "safeguard stability" in the ongoing crisis over the Muslim minority Rohingya population there.
"We think the international community should support the efforts of Myanmar in safeguarding the stability of its national development," said China's foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang on Tuesday. The current round of troubles in Myanmar began when Rohingya militants under the group ARSA attacked Myanmar security forces in August.
This has been downplayed / not reported in MSM !
"We condemn the violent attacks which happened in Rakhine state in Myanmar...We think the international community should support the efforts of Myanmar in safeguarding the stability of its national development," Geng said at a regular news briefing. Rakhine is where most of the Rohingya live.China, like India, is focussed on the attacks and the Myanmar government's response to safeguard the country against "extremist forces". ("encouraged" from outside like Pakistan !)
Chinese state media too on Monday indicated China's stance by obliquely supporting the Aung San Suu Kyi administration in Myanmar, which is facing near-worldwide condemnation for the response to the August attacks by ARSA.
The Indian government's stand is similar.On a recent visit to Myanmar, Prime Minister Narendra Modi expressed solidarity with the government there against the "extremist violence" in the Rakhine state.
The declaration that India didn't sign last week made reference to "deep concern on ongoing violence in the Rakhine State of Myanmar, amongst others..."India objected to that reference.
"The situation seems a textbook example of ethnic cleansing," said UN Human Rights Commissioner Zeid Ra'ad al-Hussein to the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva on Monday. :roll:



PS: Karachi_Post‏ @Karachi_Post 3h3 hours ago

Pakistan can't say much against Myanmar now as China has come in defense of #Myanmar regime. China regards Rohingaya as Islamic militants . :mrgreen:

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The Rohingya Menace

Postby Peregrine » 13 Sep 2017 03:37

Prem Kumar wrote:1) We should deport all Rohingya Muslims
eklavya wrote:1. Deport them where? Bangladesh is not obliged to take them.

2. We will not create conditions for them inside India where they seek refuge in Bangladesh

These people belong in Rakhine state. We should ask Burma to make it safe for them to return.
eklavya Ji :
There are more than Fifty Islamic Countries. Of the near ones we have Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan all with comparatively low population density. I am sure that the Rohingyas will jump at the offer of refuge in these Islamic Countries where they can have Sharia and all other Islamic Features.

If China and Myanmar doesn't accept them the why do we in India have to bear the Islamic burden? :twisted:
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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Falijee » 13 Sep 2017 05:29

"Taller Than Mountain Fliend" - China - Ditches Pakistan In Favour Of Myanmar In Roghingyas Dispute. :mrgreen:

Global split over Rohingya crisis as China backs Myanmar crackdown
AFPUpdated September 12, 2017

International divisions emerged on Tuesday ahead of a UN Security Council meeting on a worsening refugee crisis in Myanmar, with China voicing support for a military crackdown that has been criticised by the US, slammed as “ethnic cleansing” and forced 370,000 Rohingya to flee the violence.
Beijing's intervention appears aimed at heading off any attempt to censure Myanmar at the council when it convenes on Wednesday. China was one of the few foreign friends of Myanmar's former junta.
Beijing has tightened its embrace under Aung San Suu Kyi's civilian government as part of its giant trade, energy and infrastructure strategy for Southeast Asia. China may pay lip service to "strategic ally" Pakistan, but it does not have "any stomach" to tolerate "Islamic extremism" within and without its border. Such is the case here . Pakistan should heed this ( message # 2) after the BRICS Declaration :mrgreen:
The exodus from Myanmar's western Rakhine state began after Rohingya militants attacked police posts on August 25, prompting a military backlash that has sent a third of the Muslim minority population fleeing for their lives. Muslims have started " asserting their so-called rights " often resorting to violence ( as in this case !) . But at the same time, completely reject granting similar rights to the minorities within their own borders ( look at Saudia, look at Pakiland ) :mrgreen:
But international pressure on Myanmar heightened this week after United Nations rights chief Zeid Ra'ad Al Hussein ask him if minorities, eg. Jews have rights in his country of Jordon ! said the violence seemed to be a “textbook example of ethnic cleansing”.
Plumes of smoke continued to rise on the Myanmar side of the border this week despite the militants' announcement on Sunday of a unilateral ceasefire.
There was no direct response from Myanmar's military, though government spokesman Zaw Htay tweeted: “We have no policy to negotiate with terrorists."

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby chanakyaa » 13 Sep 2017 06:46

Peregrine wrote:...
There are more than Fifty Islamic Countries. Of the near ones we have Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan all with comparatively low population density. I am sure that the Rohingyas will jump at the offer of refuge in these Islamic Countries where they can have Sharia and all other Islamic Features.

If China and Myanmar doesn't accept them the why do we in India have to bear the Islamic burden? :twisted:
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Some observations...
1. So far, other than strongly condemning/protesting Myanmar on Rs and expressing verbal support to Rs, OIC hasn't done a sh!t to help Rs. Why not GoI put OIC on the spot here subtly. Time to expose OIC's hypocrisy on global display (not that anyone cares, but for fun). Most of the Gelf states don't give citizenship to foreigners who are born there. Why not challenge Gelf countries to take majority of Rs and give them citizenship if they are so concerned about Myanmar not giving citizenship. Maybe put OIC against the Chia-nese.
2. Why is India deporting Rs? Need better messaging, India helping Rs go back to their homeland (along with valley ji-haddis). Let KM ji-haddis get some Burmese love..
3. More importantly, just reading the details from news items, the problem for India seems to be Beedee and the porous border. Someone has figured out how to increase India's mooslim population but getting rid of their own...
4. Lastly if we take a step back, and I don't want to extrapolate, but is this the dark side of Asian pivot? Opening another ji-haddi front in Asia (Marawi in Philippines, Rs in Myanmar etc.) or am I overthinking this...

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby brvarsh » 13 Sep 2017 07:11

May be its an issue of perspective but how can we give Myanmar a pass for rejecting Rohingyas as non citizens when they have lived there for 100s of years? Second - If the entire region acknowledges Militant groups operating then shouldn't India take the lead to isolate them? It may be premature to think but IPKF sort of peace keepers should not be out of question. Third - What appalls me is how come these migrating Rohingyas could not provide India its much needed strategic depth in this region?

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Karthik S » 13 Sep 2017 08:26

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby SSridhar » 13 Sep 2017 09:32

Rohingyas threat to national security: Rajnath - Sanjay Khajhuria, ToI
Terming Rohingya refugees as a threat to national security, Union home minister Rajnath Singh said on Tuesday that the issue will be dealt with a firm hand.

"The illegal foreign immigrants will be strongly dealt with," Rajnath said in reply to a question about Rohingya Muslim refugees living in different parts of the country, including Jammu.


In August, the Centre had declared that the Rohingyas pose serious security challenges as they may be recruited by terror groups, and asked the state governments to identify and deport them.

A communication issued by the Union ministry of home affairs said the infiltration of these refugees from the Rakhine state of Myanmar to several parts of the country infringes on the rights of Indian citizens, besides burdening the limited resources of the country.

Last month, Union MoS for home Kiren Rijiju had said that over 40,000 Rohingyas staying illegally in India were largely located in Jammu, Hyderabad, Haryana, Uttar Pradesh, Delhi-NCR and Rajasthan.


Singh's comment at a press conference in Jammu - illegally inhabited by over 6,000 Rohingyas - on the last day of his four-day visit to the Valley, reflected deliberation and review of the Centre's policy so far in dealing with the refugee crisis.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby eklavya » 13 Sep 2017 09:35

Peregrine wrote:There are more than Fifty Islamic Countries. Of the near ones we have Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan all with comparatively low population density.


None of these countries will accept the Rohingyas that are in India illegally.

So practically, what are India's options? Put them in jail?

The border with BD is so porous that 20 million BD citizens are in India illegally. What have we done about these 20 million illegal immigrants? Just talk, same as with Rohingyas. Politically that may help some parties, and that may be the point of it all.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby eklavya » 13 Sep 2017 09:43

brvarsh wrote:It may be premature to think but IPKF sort of peace keepers should not be out of question.


Don't go there. India should not intervene militarily. If the UN wishes to, so be it. We should not provide any soldiers for the mission.

India has four interests, and right now its not clear how we reconcile them:

1) No illegal immigrants
2) Good relations with Bangladesh
3) Good relations with Burma
4) Maintain a humanitarian outlook consistent with our values

What solves this conundrum for us is a ground situation in Rakhine state such that the Rohingyas can return.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby brvarsh » 13 Sep 2017 11:03

eklavya wrote:
brvarsh wrote:It may be premature to think but IPKF sort of peace keepers should not be out of question.


Don't go there. India should not intervene militarily. If the UN wishes to, so be it. We should not provide any soldiers for the mission.


First we need to get a firm control of the situation. Second - An IPKF kind of peace mission (?) will make sure Rohingyas have confidence to return. But unlike in Sri Lanka this mission would have two objectives - We will have an inside force to neutralize NE separatists operating from Myanmar that are also likely using Rohingyas for material support they get from some Muslim nations.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby arun » 13 Sep 2017 11:39

eklavya wrote: ..............{Snipped}..............

India has four interests, and right now its not clear how we reconcile them:

1) No illegal immigrants
2) Good relations with Bangladesh
3) Good relations with Burma
4) Maintain a humanitarian outlook consistent with our values

What solves this conundrum for us is a ground situation in Rakhine state such that the Rohingyas can return.



Could go along with above “4 Interests” as long as “Interest” number 4 of maintaining a “humanitarian outlook consistent with our values” does not Taqiyyah style provide Burqa to subvert “Interest” number 1 of “no illegal immigrants” from Myanmar by legalising at some point the present or future influx of Bengali speaking Mohammaddens who were illegaly resident in Myamar and rendered refugee in view of Mohammadden Terrorism violence unleashed by their own ethno-religious brethren in order to create a Mohammadden belief ruled enclave in Myanmar’s Rakhine Province. Further it would be expected that “Interest” number 3 of “Good relations with Burma (sic)” outright trumps “Interest” number 2 of “Good relations with Bangladesh” in so far as this issue of Bengali speaking Mohammaddens who were illegaly resident in Myamar and rendered refugee in view of Mohammadden Terrorism violence unleashed by their own ethno-religious brethren in order to create a Mohammadden belief ruled enclave in Myanmar’s Rakhine Province, is concerned.

Would add a fifth “Interest”. That fifth “Interest” is the eradication of the threat of Mohammadden Terrorism and prevention of the creation of a Mohammadden belief based enclave in Rakhine Province.

I however disagree with the need for waiting for on ground solutions in Rakhine. Bengali speaking Mohammaddens who were illegaly resident in Myamar and rendered refugee in view of Mohammadden Terrorism violence unleashed by their own ethno-religious brethren should be removed from India at the earliest possible time by whatever means necessary even if it means forcibly and back to alleged Buddhist persecution in Myanmar, presuming the Myanmarese authorities are willing to take them back.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Karthik S » 13 Sep 2017 11:44

arun wrote:
eklavya wrote: ..............{Snipped}..............

India has four interests, and right now its not clear how we reconcile them:

1) No illegal immigrants
2) Good relations with Bangladesh
3) Good relations with Burma
4) Maintain a humanitarian outlook consistent with our values

What solves this conundrum for us is a ground situation in Rakhine state such that the Rohingyas can return.



Could go along with above “4 Interests” as long as “Interest” number 4 of maintaining a “humanitarian outlook consistent with our values” does not Taqiyyah style provide Burqa to subvert “Interest” number 1 of “no illegal immigrants” from Myanmar by legalising at some point the present or future influx of Bengali speaking Mohammaddens who were illegaly resident in Myamar and rendered refugee in view of Mohammadden Terrorism violence unleashed by their own ethno-religious brethren in order to create a Mohammadden belief ruled enclave in Myanmar’s Rakhine Province. Further it would be expected that “Interest” number 3 of “Good relations with Burma (sic)” outright trumps “Interest” number 2 of “Good relations with Bangladesh” in so far as this issue of Bengali speaking Mohammaddens who were illegaly resident in Myamar and rendered refugee in view of Mohammadden Terrorism violence unleashed by their own ethno-religious brethren in order to create a Mohammadden belief ruled enclave in Myanmar’s Rakhine Province, is concerned.

Would add a fifth “Interest”. That fifth “Interest” is the eradication of the threat of Mohammadden Terrorism and prevention of the creation of a Mohammadden belief based enclave in Rakhine Province.

I however disagree with the need for waiting for on ground solutions in Rakhine. Bengali speaking Mohammaddens who were illegaly resident in Myamar and rendered refugee in view of Mohammadden Terrorism violence unleashed by their own ethno-religious brethren should be removed from India at the earliest possible time by whatever means necessary even if it means forcibly and back to alleged Buddhist persecution in Myanmar, presuming the Myanmarese authorities are willing to take them back.


Although ekalavya sir's comments have obvious nehruvian undertones, there is a point that as RMs are not citizens of Myanmar, we need to plan on how to send them back to that country. I am not sure if Myanmar would allow their return unless NM made some deal during his recent trip there.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby chola » 13 Sep 2017 11:59

eklavya wrote:
Peregrine wrote:There are more than Fifty Islamic Countries. Of the near ones we have Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan all with comparatively low population density.


None of these countries will accept the Rohingyas that are in India illegally.

So practically, what are India's options? Put them in jail?

The border with BD is so porous that 20 million BD citizens are in India illegally. What have we done about these 20 million illegal immigrants? Just talk, same as with Rohingyas. Politically that may help some parties, and that may be the point of it all.



The Rohingyas are part and parcel of the 20m illegals overrunning WB, Assam and creating tension across our NE. It is the continuing encroachment of Beedee cockroaches into both Hindu and Buddhist lands that had gone on for decades. The difference is that unlike India, Myanmar is doing something about it.

I don't disagree with Phillip's assertion that there is a racial element to this with the fault lines between Indo-aryans and chini-types in Myanmar. It is there in the NE as well.

But the moment that Jinnah split the muzzies from India in massive bloodshed, these indo-aryans are not brothers but enemies far more dedicated to the persecution and murder of Indians (hindus or not) than the oriental buddhists of Burma ever were.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby arun » 13 Sep 2017 12:37

Our former Foreign Secretary, Kanwal Sibal, on the issue of Bengali speaking Mohammaddens who were illegally resident in Myanmar and rendered refugee in view of Mohammadden Terrorism violence unleashed by their own ethno-religious brethren in order to create a Mohammadden belief ruled enclave in Myanmar’s Rakhine Province.

Advises India should not join the “hypocritical chorus on humanitarian issues” of Mohammadden majority countries as they are silent of Saudi Arabia’s assault on Yemen, Turkeys assault on Kurds, Peoples Republic of China’s treatment of Tibetan’s and Mohammadden Uighurs, besides the Mohammadden Terrorism fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s promotion of Mohammadden Terrorism in India and Afghanistan even as they castigate India for standing up to Mohammadden Terrorism in J&K:

We should not fritter away our strategic stakes in Myanmar by joining a selective, hypocritical chorus on humanitarian issues by those who prefer to agitate only such as are low-cost for them. The Islamic countries who condemn Myanmar should explain why Saudi Arabia’s onslaught on the Yemenis or that of Turkey on the Kurds is overlooked by them. Why is there silence on China’s treatment of Tibetans and the Uighur Muslims ? The OIC liberally condemns India on Kashmir but is inaudible over Pakistan’s promotion of terrorism in India and Afghanistan. The ease with which the perceived maltreatment of Muslims anywhere mobilises the community in distant geographies, even violently, explains why pan-Islamism makes the full integration of Muslim minorities in non-Muslim countries difficult.


Advises that there is no need to pander to Bangladeshi sensitivities on this matter as they are playing footsie with the PRC but that there is need to address the issue of porosity our border with Bangladesh:

Commentary that India’s stance will damage India-Bangladesh relations as it fails to recompense the Sheikh Hasina government for its cooperation on weeding out anti-India insurgents from its soil is misguided. Bangladesh’s biggest defence partner is China, it supports the Belt and Road Initiative and wants to put its China and India ties in separate boxes. India has let the issue of 20 million plus Bangladeshi illegal migrants in India lie dormant, though the fact that 40,000 Rohingyas have moved to India should be reason for India to seriously address the porosity of our border with Bangladesh.



Points out the astonishing fact that Mohammaddens in our Jammu & Kashmir State who have been so vociferous in claiming that settlement of Hindu Refugees there are a conspiracy have acquiesced to settling of thousands of Bengali speaking Mohammaddens who were illegaly resident in Myamar and rendered refugee in view of Mohammadden Terrorism violence unleashed by their own ethno-religious brethren in order to create a Mohammadden belief ruled enclave in Myanmar’s Rakhine Province:

Astonishingly, the Rohingyas by the thousands have settled down in J&K where the Muslims fiercely oppose the settlement of Hindu refugees as a conspiracy to bring about demographic change.


Read more from the Economic Times at:

Don’t join hypocrites in condemning Myanmar

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Philip » 13 Sep 2017 13:00

The "Yellow peril" is swift off the blocks after PM Modi's visit and his support to Burma over Islamist terror.Burma is crucial for the Chins to solve their Malacca Dilemma,using Burma as a land/pipeline route for oil and goods avoiding the MS chokepoint. Rs living in India are significant in number and must return. However,until then we must NOT allow them to stay in J&K as they complicate the equation there,easy victims for Paki/Saudi bait.

In the interim BDesh has little alternative but to designate a refugee zone on the border and get as much UN/intl. humanitarian help as possible .The location is crucial as these refugees must return one day to their home country.There are sev. theories about why the crisis has erupted.
The Burmese junta has been under the intl. cosh for decades and western/UN support for Suu Kyi has been massive. She was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize too ,further embarrassing the junta.After suffering greatly,Suu finally won the election and proved to everyone that she was the most popular person in Burma. This has worried the junta deeply.Their pogrom against the Rs has been a two-fold strategy.Firstly to strengthen their Buddhist credentials with the population,mainly Buddhist,and secondly cut the ground under Suu's feet politically with her losing popular (Buddhist) support if she criticised the junta.She is in a cleft stick,with massive international condemnation against her,pleasing the junta immensely,

The Chinese have thrown their bamboo hat into the ring too in support of the junta in a game of one-upmanship with India.What the junta should do if they're not to suffer huge sanctions,etc., is too plan for a cease-fire,get some observers from friendly nations to monitor it,and gradually resettle the Rs .It is the moral duty of the Burmese to grant statehood to this community who also have a Hindu element ,since they've been living in the Arakan for centuries.In fact cleverly played,the Burmese could milk the intl. community for much kyat as well as goodwill.Suu and the junta could plan a great sob-story .


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 41916.html
China backs Burma's efforts to 'safeguard stability' as pressure mounts over Rohingya Muslim crisis
Around 370,000 Rohingya refugees have fled the violence in Rakhine state to Bangladesh

Samuel Osborne
Rohingya Muslim refugees wait to receive relief goods during hot weather in Ukhiya, Cox's Bazar, Bangladesh EPA/ABIR ABDULLAH
China has said it backs Burma's efforts to "safeguard stability" as pressure mounts to end violence which has sent more than 300,000 Rohingya Muslims fleeing to Bangladesh.

Around 370,000 Rohingya refugees have arrived in Bangladesh since 25 August, up from the previous estimate of 313,000, the International Organisation for Migration has said.

The top UN human rights official has denounced Burma, also known as Myanmar, for conducting a "cruel military operation" against the Rohingya, branding it "a textbook example of ethnic cleansing".

The government of the Buddhist-majority country says its security forces are fighting Rohingya militants behind a surge of violence and they are doing all they can to avoid harming civilians.

Video shows Rohingya Muslims fleeing burning villages in Burma
Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said China condemned the violence in Rakhine state.

According to The Straits Times, he said: "We support Myanmar's efforts in upholding peace and stability in the Rakhine state. We hope order and the normal life there will be recovered as soon as possible."

He added: "We think the international community should support the efforts of Myanmar in safeguarding the stability of its national development."

The government says about 400 people have been killed in the fighting in Rakhine State, western Burma.

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The Rohingya Menace

Postby Peregrine » 13 Sep 2017 13:57

Peregrine wrote:There are more than Fifty Islamic Countries. Of the near ones we have Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan all with comparatively low population density.


eklavya wrote:None of these countries will accept the Rohingyas that are in India illegally.

So practically, what are India's options? Put them in jail?

The border with BD is so porous that 20 million BD citizens are in India illegally. What have we done about these 20 million illegal immigrants? Just talk, same as with Rohingyas. Politically that may help some parties, and that may be the point of it all.
eklavya Ji ;

With due respect and reverence :

As Inspector Jacques Clouseau said : I don’t give a minkey’s. All I want is for them to get out!

Now if you still don’t want to deport the Rohingyas then PLEASE, PLEASE PRETTY PLEASE SHARE YOUR HOUSE WITH A FEW ROHINGYA FAMILIES FOR A START. Later on you can taken in more and more to your heart's content!

Regarding 20 million BD citizens are in India illegally. : When the Assamese and others in the NE States complained to "Mr Give Away J L Nehru" of the Infulx of Illegal East Pakistan Muslims then GA JLN took Fukruddin Ali Ahmed to Task. I am told that FAA'S reply was "Nehru Ji they will vote for the Congress". The rest is His "not mine" Tory!
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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby arun » 13 Sep 2017 14:14

Ali Akbar Velayati, Secretary-General of the World Assembly of Islamic Awakening and long serving former Minister of Foreign Affairs (1981 to 1997) of the Islamic Republic of Iran accuses Israel of involvement in the alleged mistreatment of Bengali speaking Mohammaddens who were illegally resident in Myanmar and rendered refugee in view of Mohammadden Terrorism violence unleashed by their own ethno-religious brethren in order to create a Mohammadden belief ruled enclave in Myanmar’s Rakhine Province.

What is it that unhinges the mind of such senior adherents of Mohammaddenism like Ali Akbar Velayati when it comes to fellow Abrahamic Jews?

Excerpt from the Islamic Republic of Iran’s Tasnim News Agency:

Iran’s Velayati: Israel behind Massacre of Muslims in Myanmar

News ID: 1514651 Service: Politics
September, 10, 2017 - 14:04

TEHRAN (Tasnim) – Secretary-General of the World Assembly of Islamic Awakening Ali Akbar Velayati condemned the mass killing of Rohingya Muslims at the hands of Myanmar government and said the Tel Aviv regime has organized “the horrible crimes”.

“The Zionist regime’s plot to clean its cruel and child-killing image and spread the culture of oppression against children, the elderly and innocent people in coordination with the government of Myanmar shows a horrible and organized crime against the deprived Rohingya Muslims,” Velayati said in a statement on Saturday.

He further emphasized that “the sinister plot organized by international Zionism” would result in massacre of Muslims, oppression and forced displacement, ethnic and racial cleansing, as well as regional instability.

All of the international bodies, including the United Nations, Human Rights Watch and the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), as well as world countries should have a correct understanding of “the calculated plot”, Velayati said. ……………………..


Link follows:

Iran’s Velayati: Israel behind Massacre of Muslims in Myanmar

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby AjayKK » 13 Sep 2017 14:53

A 5000+ word essay posted 3 days back exposing the jehadi antecedents of the Rohingyas:

Reporting on the Rohingya: “The Tip of a Huge Iceberg of Misinformation”

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Philip » 13 Sep 2017 15:24

A simple equation.

Europe-flooded with Muslims from the MEast/N.Africa due violence in their homelands.
Europe wants return of refugees and a halt to further ingress.Terrorist plots and acts involving Muslim refugees/immigrants destabiliding Europe.

India/BDesh-being flooded with lakhs of R Muslim refugees ftom Burma.Both nations want the same thing as the Europeans! Absurdity in India that Rohingya refugees, rank illegals are allowed to settle in Kashmir while Kashmiri Pandits ,the most original sons of the soil cannot go home!

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby SSridhar » 13 Sep 2017 20:30

There is not a single terrorist in our midst, Rohingya tell SC - The Hindu

How pious & forthright!

About 7,000 Rohingya living in 23 settlements across Jammu have moved the Supreme Court, saying there is not a single terrorist amidst them and they deserve to be treated with dignity by the government. {How and why did they end up in Jammu of all places?}

Applications have been filed in the Supreme Court alleging that Rohingya are a national security threat, and they should be deported. A Bench led by Chief Justice of India Dipak Misra has asked the Centre to clarify its position. The case came to the apex court following a government move to deport Rohingya. The court is scheduled to hear the issue on September 18.

“All 7,000 Rohingya have nothing to do with terrorism,” the community, represented by senior advocate Colin Gonsalves, said. {Those who give such a firm guarantee on behalf of the Rohingyas must be held accountable & responsible}

The petition, filed through Mohammad Yunus, a Rohingya, describes the life of an average Rohingya in Jammu.

It said there has not been a single allegation of terrorism against any Rohingya ever since the community began living in Jammu. “Not a single one of them [Rohingya] has ever engaged in any terrorist activity,” the petition said.

It describes the frequency of police checks in their settlements. “The local police have for over a year conducted interrogation of all the Rohingya and have taken full details of each family. The local police have inspected the settlements several times every month. All the Rohingya cooperate with the police and give them all the required information,” the petition said.

It said, branding Rohingya as terrorists was both unfair and discriminatory. They asked the court to intervene with the government to treat the community with some dignity, to not displace the community, which has undergone years of persecution in their own native land of Myanmar.

“The approximately 7,000 Rohingya reside peacefully on privately owned lands owned and rented out by Indian nationals, most of whom are Hindus. The Rohingya are paying rent to these landlords on a timely basis. None of the landlords have ever voiced any complaints or objections about the conduct of their Rohingya tenants,” the petition said.

The petition said all the 7,000 Rohingya were “interrogated” extensively by the UNHCR, their statements verified before declaring them as refugees.

“All of them fled their country of origin i.e. Myanmar due to fear of persecution and are not the illegal immigrants in India. Most of these families have been residing peacefully in Jammu since 2008. { OMG} The Rohingya have a well-founded fear of persecution in the country of their origin on account of their minority ethnic community status,” the petition said.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Supratik » 13 Sep 2017 20:32

There are no soft options on Rohingya deportation for the Modi govt. If they back down on deporting Rohingyas they will not be able to deport millions of Bdeshis from Assam and WB as technically they will also be stateless. This has been an election pledge to the people of Assam given by this govt. The same forces which are trying to prevent India to deal with Rohingyas will bring in enormous pressure with Bdeshis. FYI, Rohingyas are basically Bengali migrants from the Chittagong region who migrated starting from the British period just like Assam. Due to overpopulation they have turned the indegenous population into a minority similar to Assam. If you want to survive there are no soft humanitarian options.

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The Rohingya Menace

Postby Peregrine » 13 Sep 2017 20:35

Keep out Rohingyas. India must practice hard state politics

September 2 was the second anniversary of the tragic and terrifying drowning of Alan Kurdi, the two-year-old Kurdish boy whose family’s desperate flight to Greece in 2015 to escape the depredations of ISIS in Kobani, near the Syrian-Turkish border was cut short by disaster in the Mediterranean Sea.

The global outrage over his death sparked a frenzied attempt to improve the plight of Middle-eastern and North African refugees pouring into Europe with German chancellor Angela Merkel vowing to provide unrestricted access to refugees to wanting to enter Germany. Some other European governments followed suit but it became quickly clear that the cure being attempted by European governments was worse than the disease.

Unused to such a flood of refugees, sections of the European population responded in anger. Rising crime, the transformation of large sections of towns and cities and countrysides by the refugee influx and the daily battle with boatloads of people crossing the Mediterranean has created deep fissures not only within countries but also within the European Union struggling to still come to terms with Brexit.

Two years later, why are we discussing Alan Kurdi? What is the connection between his death and India which is not anywhere near the centre of the European refugee crisis? Look closely and a connection exists and it has everything to do with the enormous tide of public opinion created by Kurdi’s death and which is now being used by liberal activists and opportunistic politicians everywhere to coerce governments to adhere to what is called a ‘refugee-first policy’, irrespective of its impact on national security and communal peace and harmony.

The latest example is India which has woken up to the threat posed by 40,000 illegal Rohingya refugees from Myanmar and wants to deport them. Opposition politicians and liberal activists many of whom are virulent haters of PM Narendra Modi accuse India of denying of denying help to the refugees because of their religion. “Shocked by govt’s decision to deport Rohingya refugees. Ancient humanitarian tradition being sacrificed purely because Rohingyas are Muslim?” Shashi Tharoor, the MP from Thiruvananthapuram queried on Twitter on August 29. Others have responded similarly with some calling for the Nobel peace prize to be stripped off Aung San Suu Kyi, the charismatic Burmese leader.

The problem with this line of argument is that it ignores basic and important issues concerning national security, the role of the state in protecting its borders and citizens and the responsibility of governments, individuals and organisations behind the current crisis. India is already a victim of a dangerous campaign to change the demographics of its north-eastern states and one of its biggest states West Bengal through an insidious infiltration programme.

It should resist all attempts to take in large numbers of Rohingya refugees given the security threat and the possibility of demographic change creating more communal trouble. No country can survive with porous borders. No country can build a stable, prosperous society if its efforts are continuously thwarted by rapid illegal influx of foreign nationals. Yet, this is precisely the problem India has been facing especially on its eastern borders.

Mr Tharoor’s eloquence about the centre’s so-called nefarious designs on a particular community are a laugh. Can Mr Tharoor deny the attempts by the Left parties and his own Congress government in Assam to create communal divide by open encouragement of illegal refugee influx from Bangladesh? Why is he talking about the Muslim community here? His own party and its ally, the Left, have let down both the Muslim and Hindu communities by opportunistic politics. He is no position to preach.

Liberal hysteria is laughable for another reason. Nobody knows for what is happening in Rakhine, Myanmar, the epicentre of all the problems. A September 6 BBC Myanmar report showed heightened passions in Yangon and other places against the so-called Rohingyas. Local Myanmarese call them Bengalis and not as Rohingyas. While the group does not figure in the official list of ethnic groups, the latest violence appears to be the result of a militant attack on police check posts and citizens in Rakhine.

So, is the Myanmarese military just responding to unprovoked militant attacks? It is difficult to say for sure but the confusion is all the more reason for India to keep Rohingyas out. What if they are militants looking for a safe haven. Sure, we can provide humanitarian services. A small number of refugees can be taken in after careful and probably extreme vetting. But the broader policy should be clear.

India should practice hard-state politics and nip any attempt to violate its communal harmony and increase its national security vulnerabilities by stealth demographic change. Bangladesh is also not helping the Rohingyas. In fact, they want to conduct joint military operations with Myanmar to root out militant activity.

Mr Tharoor would do well to look at what Turkish president Tayyip Erdogan is doing. He has called upon Muslim countries to help the refugees and has promised assistance to help them in Bangladesh. Mr Tharoor should be lauding such efforts and urging all other Muslim countries to do likewise. The problem of course would be that such a move would not help in creating trouble in domestic politics which seems to be main Congress plan.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Supratik » 13 Sep 2017 20:57

Colin Gonzalves who is fighting for the Rohingyas in the SC comes from the same school as Prashant Bhushan and has the same mentors. The idea is to use the courts and misuse the rule of law in India to prevent executive action. Similar course will be eventually taken to prevent future action by this govt on core issues due to weakening of legislative power of the BIFs. So far Rajnath has only talked a lot of talk and no action on the ground. What has his govt been doing for the last couple of years? Why was the problem left to fester? Why leave identification and deportation to the states? Why does India not have a dedicated immigration authority with its own police force? Many here are failing to see the conspiracy behind this issue. It is not about deporting a few people. But to stall any future action with illegals.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Falijee » 14 Sep 2017 03:39

Al Qaeda calls 'mujahid brothers' in Pakistan, India to help Rohingya
Reuters.

Al Qaeda militants have called for support for Myanmar’s Rohingya Muslims, who are facing a security crackdown that has sent about 400,000 of them fleeing to Bangladesh, warning that Myanmar would face “punishment” for its “crimes”.The exodus of Muslim refugees from Buddhist-majority Myanmar was sparked by a fierce security force response to a series of Rohingya militant attacks on police and army posts in the country’s west on August 25.
“The savage treatment meted out to our Muslim brothers ... shall not pass without punishment,” al Qaeda said in a statement, according to the SITE monitoring group.“The government of Myanmar shall be made to taste what our Muslim brothers have tasted.” Similar kinds of solidarity statements are also emanating from Islamic Groups in Pakistan as well!
Myanmar says its security forces are engaged in a legitimate campaign against “terrorists”, whom it blames for attacks on the police and army, and on civilians.The government has warned of bomb attacks in cities, and al Qaeda’s call to arms is likely to compound those concerns.
We call upon all mujahid brothers in Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, and the Philippines to set out for Burma to help their Muslim brothers, and to make the necessary preparations - training and the like - to resist this oppression,” the group said.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby ramana » 14 Sep 2017 03:44

This Economic Times is giving advice to government on hard options etc. What were they doing when UPA govt., was infiltrating and settling these Rohingjyas and giving Aadhar cards even in Telangana not to mention in Jammu where per Art 370 even Indians are not allowed to settle?

Shouldn't they demand revoke Art 370 as Rohingjyas are being settled there when Indian cant be settled due to Art 370.
Where was Art 370 when all this was happening?


Looks like collective blindness and pretend to be wise now.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Prem » 14 Sep 2017 04:05

Rohingya settlement in J & K abrogate article 370 automatically ????.
Let's keep them in contained area while Indians of all tough spread their seeds for future fruiters.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Singha » 14 Sep 2017 07:32

The Associated Press‏Verified account
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BREAKING: Myanmar presidential spokesman says 176 ethnic Rohingya villages are now empty after all residents fled.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Singha » 14 Sep 2017 08:27

intel agencies give alarming details of rohingya terror links to pmo
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/national ... eststories

hafeez saaed has been mentoring some of them since atleast 2012, so no wonder they became armed and rebellious...

all those yelling for giving them shelter have ulterior motives
- qaumi brotherhood
- political cover for the much larger number of BD illegals roaming around if anyone cracks down later
- spoil our relations with myanmar and BD which has yielded dividends on NE terror fronts.
- altering demographic picture of jammu region.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby habal » 14 Sep 2017 10:11

One of the bangladeshi restaurant cooks near my place has that distinct nepali look, but has been missing for past month. So I ask his colleague, another bd, where he went, he said he went back to assam. So I know assam is a catch-all phrase for the north-east guys & bd's who work here. So that ain't very informative. I thought he was a north-easterner until one day I saw him with a skull cap. Now I think he was rohingya. If so, then they have made it to every corner of India.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby chetak » 14 Sep 2017 10:54

Prem wrote:Rohingya settlement in J & K abrogate article 370 automatically ????.
Let's keep them in contained area while Indians of all tough spread their seeds for future fruiters.


They should be fingerprinted, iris scanned, photographed and put in a separate database for terrorists, matched with aadhar to see who has entered that database and who let them in.

This should be done all across the country.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby negi » 14 Sep 2017 11:23

^ They all might already have ration and Adhar cards :)

I wonder how did they make it to J&K ? IR never does ticketing without ID so did they stick to only buses and rest on foot.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby niran » 14 Sep 2017 11:53

negi wrote:^ They all might already have ration and Adhar cards :)

I wonder how did they make it to J&K ? IR never does ticketing without ID so did they stick to only buses and rest on foot.

special air conditioned buses saar, courtesy scamgress.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Philip » 14 Sep 2017 12:08

Remember that famous line from "Casablanca"? ...."Arrest the usual suspects!" says police chief Renault played by that great actor Claude Rains.

Well,who do you think is training the Burmese army today? They're being trained in the field by the most expert of all uniformed tribes,who have long experience in setting off fires in Burma....no less than the Brits!


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/let ... 45201.html
The UK must stop training the Burmese Army while they continue to persecute Rohingya Muslims

The persecution of Rohingya Muslims has been excused as ‘fake news’ by Myanmar Getty
Nobody could fail to be moved by the plight of the Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar (Burma).

Some 370,000 have fled Rakhine state for Bangladesh since the outbreak of violence last month, with whole villages being burned down and the government accused by the UN of ethnic cleansing. Given reports of beheadings, rape and children being deliberately shot, it rather begs the question of why the UK Government, our government, continues to train the Burmese military, a task that cost the UK around £305,000 last year. :?:

Based on reports from the UN, human rights organisations and Rohingya organisations, we are witnessing human rights violations on a scale extreme even by the standards of Myanmar’s history. Estimates of people killed range from official figures of hundreds dead to estimates by reliable Rohingya organisations of between 2,000 and 3,000 killed.

Before we pontificate on the actions of the Burmese military, it clearly helps if we put our own house in order, and that means immediately suspending training the soldiers of this brutal regime.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby chetak » 14 Sep 2017 12:13

negi wrote:^ They all might already have ration and Adhar cards :)

I wonder how did they make it to J&K ? IR never does ticketing without ID so did they stick to only buses and rest on foot.


That's being very naive. Travel in most parts up north and the number of ticketless travellers, especially in the higher classes is astounding.

Most of these guys know which trains and which times as well as routes that are best for ticketless travel. They wait in groups at wayside stations for the arrival of "slow passenger" trains stopping at every station and often running hours late. no ticket checking in many of these overcrowded trains which are often utilized as social benefits by the ticketless cognoscenti.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Singha » 14 Sep 2017 12:18

they would have organized guides and marine force recon scouts and a network of helpers and shelters all across the north to make their moves, find work, get documents ... often 'influential community elders' facilitate these paperwork by putting in a good word and activating their political IOU cards.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby chetak » 14 Sep 2017 12:28

Singha wrote:they would have organized guides and marine force recon scouts and a network of helpers and shelters all across the north to make their moves, find work, get documents ... often 'influential community elders' facilitate these paperwork by putting in a good word and activating their political IOU cards.


aadhar and ration card enrollment centers are directly controlled by political parties through their supporters and in WB, both the TMC as well as the commies have an efficient document production network, including notaries, magistrates, locally recruited IAS officers and their equivalents including cops and village officials to resettle the incoming waves of beedis.

In KAR, both the congis and the JDU are into this type of "management" and that explains the large no of beedis and nepalis resident in BLR and its outskirts.


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