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The Rohingya Menace

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby SSridhar » 19 Sep 2017 14:53

Why do you keep saying that Indian actions are because of the 'western press'? That is damning the GoI of succumbing to pressure and that too from 'press corps' of western nations. We make our own assessments.

China can offer any support because it is not an affected party. The geography is such that the Rohingyas don't end up in China. A British Bangladeshi has just been caught in New Delhi recruiting Rohingya terrorists for operation against India itself. India has an urgent need to send away these Rohingyas asap. For various reasons, we are not going to return the millions of Bangladeshis back to their country in a tactical timeframe. We have to be practical.

Modi unequivocally supported the state of Myanmar when he was in Nay Pyi Taw last week and condemned the attacks on Myanmarese security forces. India dissociated from the statement condemning Myanmar at the Indonesian conference of the World Parliamentary Forum. Not being a democracy, China doesn’t of course attend such fora. India’s opposition was extremely noteworthy. India has done more than China in supporting Myanmar. I am sure if the issue comes up in the UN, India will definitely react appropriately, suitably supporting Myanmar. Let us not feel threatened by China.
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Postby Karthik S » 19 Sep 2017 16:22

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Breaking: Fali S Nariman appears for Rohingyas in Supreme Court


This is how this guy wants to show gratitude to the country that gave refuge to his ancestors.

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Postby VishalJ » 19 Sep 2017 16:41

Vice posted this yesterday, watch the below video from 12m 27sec onwards



I'm guessing a full-fledged feature should be coming up shortly.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Supratik » 19 Sep 2017 20:17

Yes, we should stick to logic. Rohingyas who came into India originated in Myanmar and hence should be deported there. Whether they are Bdeshis is for Bdesh and Myanmar to decide. Illegal Bdeshis are issue between Bdesh and India and is separate.

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^^ Agree with him

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Karthik S » 19 Sep 2017 20:40

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Myanmar does not fear 'international scrutiny' over Rohingya crisis, says Aung San Suu Kyi


We must be the only country that's pussyfooting, log kya kahenge type.

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Postby Y. Kanan » 19 Sep 2017 23:53

Our inability to just pick a f*cking side (i.e., not the Rohingyas) as demonstrated by our media, the Modi govt and esteemed posters here (see above) guarantees insurrection in our BD-border states. In 10 years some of you will be wondering how it all went wrong (as usual) but I'll know. We'll have ended up with our new eastern Kashmir because years earlier (more or less today) we tried to avoid offending BD and general muslim sentiment, wasting the chance to nip this in the bud when it was still possible.

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Postby gauravsh » 20 Sep 2017 00:13

Apart from that this is a ndtv link, do listen to the India foundation guy. He shuts down razdan and more importantly the former ambassador :) :) .
http://www.ndtv.com/video/news/left-right-centre/rohingyas-are-they-really-a-security-threat-468107?hp?pfrom=home-videos

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Sumeet » 20 Sep 2017 01:28

I agree with what all SSridhar has written but its extremely sad that we cannot even openly say that muslim's from Bangladesh and Pakistan and those having origins in these nations cannot come to India because they have cleansed out ethnic minorities (Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhist) in their home countries which was native place for these minorities for milleniums. This cleansing happened over a prolonged period of 70 years and hence we don't feel comfortable associating with them as our neighbors etc. In that sense they are biggest national threat to dharmic concept & future of India. Additionally, they could pose some random threat due to association of a specific individual or a group of people with LET, ISIS, ISI etc... but these terror links is not the main point.

Bangladesh/Pakistan should accommodate them all. We can definitely give significant humanitarian aid as long these guys are outside our boundaries for that is consistent with Dharma.

Plain and simple !!!

Instead of this we are trying to wiggle one way or the other looking too soft. Let it be known to Indian public that NDA plans to protect native cultures & their future generations in India while TMC/INC/CPI(M) wants to do commit long term hara kiri for short term vote gain. What morons in these parties don't realize that they will be the last ones to be roasted once islamics obtain majority. But I guess they are used to being dhimmis.

Indian Muslims (barring minor percentage) are different from Bangladeshis and Pakistanis.

Besides India is a place for folks who by following Dharma makes dharma stronger. It cannot be a dump ground for others (except people like Jews, Zorastrians, Bhai's) who are compatible with Dharma since they don't dream of their belief to dominate the world & subjugate others.

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Postby IndraD » 20 Sep 2017 04:49

UK mounts pressure on Myanamar to take Rohingya in with UN
Theresa May has announced that the UK will suspend the training of Burmese military amid concerns about the treatment of the Muslim Rohingya population.

Speaking at the UN general assembly in New York, she said the UK would end all engagement with the Burmese military until military action against civilians in Rakhine state had stopped.

The prime minister has been under pressure to halt the programme since the country’s army was accused of driving hundreds of thousands of Rohingya into Bangladesh.

“We are very concerned about what’s happening to the Rohingya people in Burma. The military action against them must stop,” May said. “We have seen too many vulnerable people having to flee for their lives. Aung San Suu Kyi and the Burmese government need to make it very clear that the military action should stop.

“The British government is announcing today that we are going to stop all defence engagement and training of the Burmese military by the Ministry of Defence until this issue is resolved.”

Asked if the action was coordinated with international allies, May said: “There has been very clear international concern about the issue of the Rohingya people and what is happening to them.

“I was discussing this yesterday in Canada with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. The British government believes we must show our concern, and that’s why we are going to stop all defence engagement and training of the Burmese military by the Ministry of Defence until this issue is satisfactorily resolved.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... t-rohingya

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby periaswamy » 20 Sep 2017 04:57

Isn't it just precious that the genocidal scumbags in the UK responsible for the deaths of 3 million Indians in West Bengal during WWII are now pretending to care to be the ultimate humanitarians worried about the rohingyas? How about Theresa May and Justin Trudeau take in all the Rohingyas if they are so concerned about them? Just dumping 2 million canadian $ worth of rice for the Rohingyas is not quite "walking the talk". India has provided more bags of rice for the Rohingyas than these racist lowlives in Canada and UK.

How about Justing Trudeau talk to his buddies in saudi arabia to whom he just sold a few billion dollars worth of weapons to recently, and convince the Saudis and Qataris to take in all the rohingyas they all seem to be so concerned about? Do these racist white and arabian mofos in Canada, US, EU, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and UK really think they can just hand off a few nobel prizes and a few bags of rice and preach to all and sundry about "humanitarian concern" for Rohingyas? How about they use their influence on the Saudis and Qatar instead?? effing racist lowlives, all of them.


I misunderestimated Suu Kyi, she really is a lady of steel. Much respect to her.
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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby IndraD » 20 Sep 2017 04:59

how BBC & world media trying to pressurise Suu Ki who has shown amazing resolve http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41315924

Myanmar's de facto leader Aung San Suu Kyi has said her government does not fear "international scrutiny" of its handling of the growing Rohingya crisis.

It was her first address to the country about the violence in northern Rakhine state that has seen more than 400,000 Rohingya Muslims cross into Bangladesh.

Ms Suu Kyi has faced heavy criticism for her response to the crisis.

She said there had been no "clearance operations" for two weeks.

In her speech in English to Myanmar's parliament, Aung San Suu Kyi said she felt "deeply" for the suffering of "all people" in the conflict, and that Myanmar was "committed to a sustainable solution… for all communities in this state".

Ms Suu Kyi, who has decided not to attend the UN General Assembly in New York later this week, said she nevertheless wanted the international community to know what was being done by her government.

Hours after her speech, the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva called for full access to the region so it can investigate the situation "with its own eyes".

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby periaswamy » 20 Sep 2017 05:01

Geneva and the UN must be asked to just f** off and denied any access, and India must support this course of action. This will ensure that Myanmar will be more dependent on India and China in the long term, and remove all these western white racist mofos and their friendly arabian islamist scum from the picture in the long term.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

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Rohingya Crisis Needs a Regional Solution - Sampa Kundu, IDSA Comment

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby chetak » 20 Sep 2017 09:35

gauravsh wrote:Apart from that this is a ndtv link, do listen to the India foundation guy. He shuts down razdan and more importantly the former ambassador :) :) .
http://www.ndtv.com/video/news/left-right-centre/rohingyas-are-they-really-a-security-threat-468107?hp?pfrom=home-videos


raham karo, saar.

If you have watched the video, please give the time on the video where this takes place "He shuts down razdan and more importantly the former ambassador".

The video is approx 24 minutes long and we would rather not watch the stupid EJ monadeepa peddle her nonsense

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Postby manjgu » 20 Sep 2017 10:14

KC Singh came across a total fool ! i cant believe such people were in the IFS. The Foundation guy was ok but the way to rebut the argument that 'every rohingya is not a terrorist ' is to argue that it requires only a few to create enough mayhem. 10 guys did mumbai carnage, 10 guys did 9/11..and i think 6 guys did parliament attack...u dont need all 40000 to be terrorist..we have live example of Europe where a tiny fraction of the immigrants are creating such a ruckus !

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby ramana » 20 Sep 2017 10:15

Chetak,

You can forward no?

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Postby gauravsh » 20 Sep 2017 10:28

chetak wrote:raham karo, saar.

If you have watched the video, please give the time on the video where this takes place "He shuts down razdan and more importantly the former ambassador".

The video is approx 24 minutes long and we would rather not watch the stupid EJ monadeepa peddle her nonsense


saar watch from 8.00 onward.

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Postby SSridhar » 20 Sep 2017 11:36

There is a concerted opposition campaign that has started along with the liberals, leftists, pseudo-seculars, opportunists and the usual hate-gang.

The Hindu has an editorial andKaran Thapar has butted in with an op-ed piece.

I sent the following 2-part reply on the Editorial, but they chose in their wisdom to publish part 2 only.

(Part 1/2) It is a travesty of truth to claim that GoI is citing *vague* fears about Rohingya terrorism. There are well documented incidents from India, Indonesia, Myanmar and Bangladesh to prove this. Even Bangladesh’s Foreign Minister has accepted that Rohingyas pose them a security threat because of linkages with their terror groups such as HuJI-B & JMB. It is a fact that the Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army (ARSA) is led by a Pakistani. In c. 2014 LeT extended its footprint in Rakhine province by establishing a close contact with the Rohingya terror group Aqa Mul Mujahideen (AMM), led by Hafiz Tohar who was himself trained in LeT camps in Pakistan. Tohar merged AMM into ARSA in c. 2016.The ARSA established training camps along the Chittagong Hill Tracts (CHT) with the Naikhongcherri Camp assuming notoriety, A certain ‘Major Salamat’, from the Pakistani Army deputed to LeT was responsible for training at Naikhongcherri. The overall coordination is done by Brig, Ashfaq of the ISI.

(Part 2/2) Initial recruits of AMM were sent to LeT training camps in Pakistan. LeT’s humanitarian-cum-recruiting arm, Falah-e-Insaniat, was active in Rohingya relief camps in Rakhine State after the 2012 riots. The ARSA’s predecessor, Harakah al-Yaqin (Faith Movement), was founded by Attullah Abu Ammar Jununi, a Pakistani national. The ARSA receives funds from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. The notorious Pakistani terror group Harkat-ul-Jihadi Islami (HuJI) has an Arakan branch headed by Abdus Qadoos Burmi, a Pakistani national of Rohingya origin and who is a close associate of UNSC-sanctioned terrorist LeT Chief Hafiz Saeed. The Bangladeshi chapter of HuJI also includes Rohingyas. The Al Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent (AQIS) as well as the Islamic State have asked their cadres to fight with Rohingyas. A Rohingya terrorist was caught in Jakarta recently. I hope that the 'vague fears' theory is thus given a burial and that The Hindu moderator publishes this to set the record straight.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Sachin » 20 Sep 2017 11:46

Rohingyas - cannot be sent back (Mathrubhumi: Malayalam)
Folks, the above article is in Malayalam and appeared in the Mathrubhumi news paper. It is penned by M.R Abhilash, who is a lawyer in Supreme Court and is said to be an expert in Constituonal law. Before going on; the author is on the side of Rohingyas and wish to see them retained in India.

A few law points, which I could glean out of the article.
  • Central Govt. is willing to follow the Hon.SC order of Committee for Citizenship Rights of the Chakmas of Arunachal Pradesh Case-2015.
  • The author justifies the decision taken by previous governments (mainly Congress ones), in not signing the treaties of 1951 and 1967 related to handling of refugees. He feels it was pragmatic not to sign them, as India was a poor country then, with huge population. But he wants the present government to relook that.
  • It seems there is some thing known as "International Customary law", which every country is supposed to follow. This seems to be followed by every country for centuries.
  • "Principal of nonrefoulement" mandates that a person cannot be send back to a place where there is threat to his life.
  • India is also a signatory of International Convention Against Torture, 1985; which also has provisions against deporting a person to a place where he can be tortured or killed.
  • Author contents that Article 21 is applicable for Indian citizens as well as foreigners.
  • Author also contents that Article 14 demands that all persons have "equality before law" (citizen ship, refugee status etc. do not matter).
  • He also relies on Article 32 which allows the judiciary to interfere when fundamental rights of individuals are violated. He recommends the path of "Judicial Activism" in order to get this done.

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Postby Karthik S » 20 Sep 2017 12:03

To all these fundamental rights, SuSwamy said that such fundamental rights are subject to reasonable restrictions when taking national security into consideration. Fundamental rights of illegal immigrants or refugees is subservient to national security.

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Postby SSridhar » 20 Sep 2017 12:11

manjgu wrote:KC Singh came across a total fool ! i cant believe such people were in the IFS. The Foundation guy was ok but the way to rebut the argument that 'every rohingya is not a terrorist ' is to argue that it requires only a few to create enough mayhem. 10 guys did mumbai carnage, 10 guys did 9/11..and i think 6 guys did parliament attack...u dont need all 40000 to be terrorist..we have live example of Europe where a tiny fraction of the immigrants are creating such a ruckus !

KC Singh has been strangely so for quite a long time now. I do not know if his attitude and analysis were similar while in service. It is scary to even imagine IFS personnel having country-annihilating attitude.

On the refugee-not-terrorist issue, the immediate reply must be the latest London Tube bomber, a 21-year-old Syrian refugee Yahyah Farroukh. Farroukh used to be cared for by foster pair Ron and Penny Jones, whose house in Sunbury-on-Thames, Surrey, was raided on Saturday and explosives were found. Ron and Penny Jones who received an MBE in 2009 for fostering hundreds of kids. The respected couple are known for their work with refugee children, and reports have claimed the arrested suspect was an Iraqi teen.

The common quip of the pro-Rohingyas group is that in Europe, it is the Europeans who have carried out terrorist attacks, not refugees from outside. They are all horribly wrong. It may well be that the terrorists were locally born and raised and held the citizenship of these countries. But, they were all second generation immigrants who simply responded to the calls of the Islamic State, whether it was Paris, Nice, Barcelona, Manchester, Brussels etc.

Truth *MUST* be told. Had it been any other religions, the refugees wouldn't be looked at in this manner. The reason why every country offering refuge to Muslims is worried is because of their jihadi terrorism that emanates from their Koran and the Hadith; from their belief system. The refugees subscribe to this and this makes the host countries terribly vulnerable. No government worth its salt can allow refugees to come in knowing fully well that their allegiance will not be to the kind-hearted host country but to the jihadi ideology, which may explode one day. No host country can be burdened with extra policing, intelligence and security especially when these are already stretched by the jihadi behaviour of the Ummah brothers and sisters of these refugees.

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Postby Chandragupta » 20 Sep 2017 12:26

Rohingyas calling for Ghazwa-e-Hind & declaring Jehad on India -

https://twitter.com/mini_707070/status/ ... 1459264512

Show this to any bleeding heart idiot who wants them to come into India.

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Postby Karthik S » 20 Sep 2017 12:34

Please watch this 2 min video from ancient India on refugees.

https://twitter.com/RaviRanjanIn/status ... 4148203520

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Postby prahaar » 20 Sep 2017 13:25

SSridhar wrote:

The common quip of the pro-Rohingyas group is that in Europe, it is the Europeans who have carried out terrorist attacks, not refugees from outside. They are all horribly wrong. It may well be that the terrorists were locally born and raised and held the citizenship of these countries. But, they were all second generation immigrants who simply responded to the calls of the Islamic State, whether it was Paris, Nice, Barcelona, Manchester, Brussels etc.

Truth *MUST* be told.


Another data point. Furthermore, the WIKI is inaccurate about the attacker being an asylum seeker. His asylum was already rejected but he was still around. It is a massive task to deport even few.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Turku_stabbing

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Postby Philip » 20 Sep 2017 13:35

This is v.significant,indicates the level of Indo-Burmese growing def. relations.Full report in the link.

https://sputniknews.com/military/201703 ... edo-order/
Xcpt:
Indian navy shipsIndia Bags Myanmar Torpedo Order Worth $38 Million
MILITARY & INTELLIGENCE
18:37 27.03.2017
India has agreed to supply lightweight torpedoes to Myanmar in a US$ 37.9 million-contract which is said to be evidence of a growing arms race between Myanmar and Bangladesh. The torpedoes will be manufactured by government-owned Bharat Dynamics and private company L&T.
New Delhi (Sputnik) — Earlier this month, the Indian Navy had accepted a proposal of the Myanmar Navy to train their personnel and set up meteorological facilities. "Export of the lightweight torpedoes would follow the earlier supply of sonars, acoustic domes and directing gear to Myanmar," said S. Christopher, chief of the Defense Research and Development Organization.

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Postby Philip » 20 Sep 2017 13:45

SS,the IDSA analysts is spot on.
"Rohingya Crisis Needs a Regional Solution - Sampa Kundu, IDSA Comment"
India,BDesh and Burma must work together to soprt out this mess. Allowing outside interlopers/mischief-makers to stir the pot is totally unacceptable.They would like nothing better but to destabilise the region after their Syrian experiment has gone kaput tx. to Russia's intervention!
The Brits have long experience in Burma,hoped that Anglophile Suu would be their catspaw,which never happened after she was released and became PM,since she is only too well aware of the complexities of Burma's "imperfect democracy" as she described it.Her latest statement that Burma would take back Ros with IDs is v.welcome.What has to be done now is to create temp. safe zones within Burma where the Ros ca return to,while their original homesteads are allowed to return to peace.

Perfidious Left! What ails them? Janus-faced as always,the "Left",internationally squirms this way and that,like intestinal parasites sucking on the blood of their hosts,clothed in the threads of hypocrisy playing both ends against the middle.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/09/t ... -of-burma/
The Left has turned on the Lady of Burma
Jake Wallis Simons
12 September 2017
Burma’s fragile future
Clarissa Tan

With all the wrath of a lover slighted, the Left has turned on Aung San Suu Kyi. On Friday, Jeremy Hardy, Marxism’s comedy mouthpiece, lambasted her as a ‘racist, vain narcissist’, while a petulant George Monbiot demanded that the woman be stripped of her Nobel peace prize. ‘To Aung San Suu Kyi we entrusted our hopes,’ he complained in a column last week, lamenting that he and his activist friends now feel ‘cruelly betrayed’. The heart bleeds. :rotfl:
*(and the crocodile weeps!)

How things have changed. Until recently, Suu was an icon of human rights, enthroned in the pantheon with Mandela, Gandhi and the Dalai Lama. Now, if the bien pensant are to be believed, she’s a racist.

My great-grandmother was Burmese. Although I have never met Suu personally, I know a number of her close friends and extended family. They have always described Suu as a dizzyingly beautiful, charming, headstrong and fiercely independent woman, who was known to have climbed over the wall of her Oxford college when staying out past bedtime, and took that same attitude with her into the monumental challenges of her later life.

They also recall her fondness for the military. After all, her father, Aung San, was a warrior cut down in his prime, and for a good part of Suu’s childhood, soldiers were a big part of her life.

Throughout her incarceration, the fetishisation of the Lady of Burma sat slightly uncomfortably with people who knew her. Not that they didn’t greatly love, admire and support her, you understand; but it was odd for them to see a friend, however gifted and principled, being used to fulfil an Occidental need for an Oriental saint.

Suu has always been an exceptional person, but she has never been without her faults. The way she placed her children very much in second place to her country created deep resentments in her personal life, and her single-minded brashness could sometimes be controversial.

These traits in general, and her love for the military in particular, were incompatible with the Left’s idealised view of her. So they simply airbrushed them out. And because she was under house arrest, their idolatrous vision of saintly womanhood was never forced to square with the flesh-and-blood person on whom it had been pinned.

It is a familiar dynamic. The fact that the Dalai Lama, for instance, demands the oppression of a Tibetan minority and has admitted to shooting birds with an airgun does not stop right-on Westerners from going weak at the knees when he giggles. Likewise Desmond Tutu, that committed supporter of Hamas.

Only in the latter two cases, the Left has been willing to overlook their indiscretions (a bit of support for Hamas never hurt anyone). But now Aung San Suu Kyi, one of the few women in the Left’s hagiography of non-white virtue, is refusing to play the game. She appears to be ignoring the plight of Muslims, which for liberals is particularly inexcusable. As it turns out, Monbiot and his set do not have endless tolerance for their delinquent saints.

Suu’s main sin seems to be that she has transformed from an idealist into a pragmatist. For decades she languished under principled house arrest, refusing to make any concession. In so doing, she made herself irrelevant.

In the end, seeing the benefits of economic reform and a pivot away from dependence on China, the Junta enacted their seven-step ‘roadmap to democracy’ and eventually decided to release her – on their own terms and in their own time. Suu’s noble endurance and tribulations were hugely inspiring, but arguably made little practical difference. After all, it was Burma’s old guard that wrote the new constitution.

Now, as a free woman immersed in the messy business of governance, Suu finds herself under immense pressure from all sides. Burma is undergoing seismic cultural change as it opens to the world; many are worried about the erosion of their traditions and identity. Suu’s Western outlook has often been associated with the protection of minorities at the expense of mainstream Buddhist society. In 2014, for instance, a mocked-up picture of her in a hijab was disseminated. Burma is in an extremely volatile phase; she must tread carefully if she does not want to return to the irrelevance of her gilded cage, or worse.

Although Suu is the de facto leader of Burma, she has no control over the powerful military or the border regions. Despite this, she has been working hard on bringing peace to her troubled country. When a panel led by Kofi Annan made recommendations for the reabsorption of Rohingya refugees, Suu’s office welcomed them wholeheartedly. And she has been working tirelessly to effect a national ceasefire between 17 armed groups in the country, potentially saving many thousands of lives.

Ironically enough, with her international connections and unique standing in Burma, Suu remains almost certainly the Rohingya’s best hope. But, likely for reasons of pragmatism, she has so far refused to speak out publicly.

Maybe this is the right political calculation; maybe it is the wrong one. For her spurned former acolytes, however, considered criticism is not enough. Give us back our idealised Suu, they shout! Let’s have a bit more of the old self-sacrifice! Gandhi took a bullet, you know! That’s the paternalistic, Occidental Left for you. Better a silent saint than a flesh-and-blood politician who, rightly or wrongly, is doing her best for her people.

Jake Wallis Simons is Associate Global Editor for the Daily Mail online]

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby suryag » 20 Sep 2017 14:02

if they convert to hinduism would there be a change in the policy ?

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Karthik S » 20 Sep 2017 14:07

Will evaluating hypothetical and far fetched scenarios help us in any way?

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby SSridhar » 20 Sep 2017 14:13

Philip wrote:SS,the IDSA analysts is spot on.
"Rohingya Crisis Needs a Regional Solution - Sampa Kundu, IDSA Comment"
India,BDesh and Burma must work together to soprt out this mess. Allowing outside interlopers/mischief-makers to stir the pot is totally unacceptable.They would like nothing better but to destabilise the region . . .

Philip, I agree and that was what I postulated here with India taking the lead without letting anyone else in. India must act post-haste on this issue.

But, somehow, Chola felt it was a 'horrible' idea !

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Gyan » 20 Sep 2017 14:19

Today what the SC will do is unknown. The Honorable Judges travel abroad and hob knob with rich & famous. They get Arbitration after retirement for income of Crores of Rupees per month. Hence they are international citizens will unknown degree of allegiance to India. But my comments are below:-

Sachin wrote:Rohingyas - cannot be sent back (Mathrubhumi: Malayalam)

Folks, the above article is in Malayalam and appeared in the Mathrubhumi news paper. It is penned by M.R Abhilash, who is a lawyer in Supreme Court and is said to be an expert in Constitutional law. Before going on; the author is on the side of Rohingyas and wish to see them retained in India.

A few law points, which I could glean out of the article.
  • Central Govt. is willing to follow the Hon.SC order of Committee for Citizenship Rights of the Chakmas of Arunachal Pradesh Case-2015. Chakma Case was bad judgement as usual against Nationalist stand of Modi Govt. Modi Govt made a major mistake in not superseding Kehar. Modi govt expects anti Modi Judges to favor NDA. Not going to work.[/color]

  • The author justifies the decision taken by previous governments (mainly Congress ones), in not signing the treaties of 1951 and 1967 related to handling of refugees. He feels it was pragmatic not to sign them, as India was a poor country then, with huge population. But he wants the present government to re-look that. Why, are we idiots??

  • It seems there is some thing known as "International Customary law", which every country is supposed to follow. This seems to be followed by every country for centuries. There is nothing called International Customary Law. Were Jews, Native American Indians, Australians massacred or Japan Nuked under customary law? What nonsense! As Modi Govt is destroying Indian Industries and handing over Indian economy to foreigners. Similarly Media is following the lead of being the mouth piece of foreign interests. I don't blame Media, it does not pay to be Indian

  • "Principal of nonrefoulement" mandates that a person cannot be send back to a place where there is threat to his life. Burma is peaceloving Nation headed by Nobel peace prize winner. For non-refoulement read above. Guess where does USA and Australia park their refugees from Cuba and SE Asia??

  • India is also a signatory of International Convention Against Torture, 1985; which also has provisions against deporting a person to a place where he can be tortured or killed. Burma is peaceloving Nation headed by Nobel peace prize winner.

  • Author contents that Article 21 is applicable for Indian citizens as well as foreigners. As I have repeatedly said Article 14, 19, 21 allows fundamental rights to be curtailed in "accordance with law", hence illegal refugees can be kicked out.

  • Author also contents that Article 14 demands that all persons have "equality before law" (citizen ship, refugee status etc. do not matter). Rubbish read above

  • He also relies on Article 32 which allows the judiciary to interfere when fundamental rights of individuals are violated. He recommends the path of "Judicial Activism" in order to get this done.Burma is peaceloving Nation headed by Nobel peace prize winner.Rubbish read above


Similar Articles are appearing all over the place, obviously sponsored. Modi thinks that hugging foreign leaders will change the nature of scorpions. Indians cannot settle in JK or certain NE status but foreign Muslim terrorists?chakmas are welcome. I am watching the invasion of foreign hords in India just like India was conquered from 800-1200AD. Indian conquest was an excruciatingly slow, spread over 400-600 years and now I feel I am again watching end of our temporary Independence.

PS-Yours Truely- Has been SC lawyer for 25 years.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby chola » 20 Sep 2017 15:28

SSridhar wrote:
Philip wrote:SS,the IDSA analysts is spot on.
"Rohingya Crisis Needs a Regional Solution - Sampa Kundu, IDSA Comment"
India,BDesh and Burma must work together to soprt out this mess. Allowing outside interlopers/mischief-makers to stir the pot is totally unacceptable.They would like nothing better but to destabilise the region . . .

Philip, I agree and that was what I postulated here with India taking the lead without letting anyone else in. India must act post-haste on this issue.

But, somehow, Chola felt it was a 'horrible' idea !


If taking the lead means that India forces Bangladesh to take back the Rohingyas and Beedees illegals from India then it is good.

If it means pressuring Burma to take back Rohingyas from India (and possibly Bangladesh) while ignoring BD as the source of the problem then not good and will obliterate whatever influence we have in Burma.

Any action by India to force Burma to back Rohingyas is a horrible, horrible idea when PRC is already protecting Burma at UN from having to take back people Burmese consider muzzie parasites.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/18/world/asia/myanmar-rohingya-sanctions.html

China blocked an effort by Egypt to add language calling for Rohingya refugees to be guaranteed the right to return to Myanmar from Bangladesh


Again, the Burmese are forcing Rohingyas from Rakhine (which has no borders with India) back to Bangladesh. The Rohingyas in India came as part of the general invasion of 20M Beedees from Bangladesh.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Yagnasri » 20 Sep 2017 15:54

Karthik S wrote:
Sherbir Panag‏Verified account @Sherbir
Breaking: Fali S Nariman appears for Rohingyas in Supreme Court


This is how this guy wants to show gratitude to the country that gave refuge to his ancestors.


You have to be a Mumbailkar to know about Parsi's sir. While most of them or normal like you and me some of them are quite bad. Maybe true for all communities. But people here say they collaborated with Brits like anything during Raj. How far it is true I do not know.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby manjgu » 20 Sep 2017 16:00

Yagansari...well almost everyone collaborated with the brits..the sikhs, the gorkhas, the jats etc.... Dont judge parsis by Fali Nariman appearing for ROhingyas. I dont know why rohingyas be pushed out of Jammu into Pakistan? we can collect Rohingyas in jammu and shove them across the fence !! :eek:

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby chola » 20 Sep 2017 16:48

Yagnasri wrote:
Karthik S wrote:
This is how this guy wants to show gratitude to the country that gave refuge to his ancestors.


You have to be a Mumbailkar to know about Parsi's sir. While most of them or normal like you and me some of them are quite bad. Maybe true for all communities. But people here say they collaborated with Brits like anything during Raj. How far it is true I do not know.


When I was in my teens my parents visited a distant relative on my mother side in Hong Kong. He was pretty wealthy. In his circle were Parsees. They were the elite of the desi community in HK. He said they do not wed outside their kind and were favorites of the British. They owned some of the more iconic firms in the colony. We saw some at a party we went to. The Parsee girls there were otherly world beautiful. Like bollywood stars devastatingly fair and lovely. I dreamed about them for a long time. Of course, I was a teen and horny as hell so that could have affected my perception.

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