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The Rohingya Menace

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby periaswamy » 21 Sep 2017 20:57

yensoy:
Which is why I don't want them landing in my shores or crossing my border in the first place, and the only way to make that happen seems to be to ensure that they stay where they are. Why is this becoming so difficult to understand?


Okay, let us just pretend that your "plan" is workable and break this down, shall we?

Goal: Make the Rohingyas stay where they are.
Overall Strategy: operating in Myanmar or working with the Myanmar government in repatriating the Rohingyas.

Option1: send Indian troops to operate in Myanmar
Option2: Put diplomatic pressure and otherwise "sanction" the myanmar government to comply with India's wishes
Option3: Work with Myanmar govt. and BD govt. on a plan to repatriate Myanmar refugees in India and BD back into Rakine
(add your own options if any)

Option1 and Option2 are self-defeating and utterly stupid from an Indian interest point of view, especially since the Myanmar Regime has been and is currently a friendly one that is working with India on NE security issues and the Kaladan project.

Option3 is what the govt. of India is currently doing if we infer from the actions of the GoI in news reports.

What are your options, since you seem to think Option3 is not good enough?

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby tandav » 22 Sep 2017 08:50

Option4: Encourage Rohingyas to move to Bangladesh or even Pakistan for the time being. In time as Pakistan and Bangladesh start population control measures these refugees will be absorbed. In a few years there will more clarity on what is to be done to talk to Myanmar regards these populations

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby periaswamy » 22 Sep 2017 08:59

Seriously, why would pakis do India any favours? After reading all the paki threads, "encouraging pakistan" is considered an "option"? If that worked, we would have seen results from "encouraging pakistan to stop being terror central".

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby chetak » 22 Sep 2017 09:26

tandav wrote:Option4: Encourage Rohingyas to move to Bangladesh or even Pakistan for the time being. In time as Pakistan and Bangladesh start population control measures these refugees will be absorbed. In a few years there will more clarity on what is to be done to talk to Myanmar regards these populations


The beedis and the pakis are totally convinced that India is the best bet for the safe shelter and creation of deep assets for their agenda by pushing the rohingiyas into India like they have already pushed in 40-75,000 such "refugees" into India already by the active connivance of the "secular" liberals and deshdrohi congis.

The GoI is not telling the truth about the numbers of the rohingiyas already in India, even as the BJP was asleep at the wheel.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Karthik S » 22 Sep 2017 09:28

Now that Suu Kyi has said they are ready to take back rohingyas, the government has a good standing in SC to deport.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby SSridhar » 22 Sep 2017 12:01

Hasina proposes ‘safe zones’ for Rohingya - Haroon Habib, The Hindu
Bangladesh’s Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina called upon members states of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) to take a united stand to resolve the Rohingya issue “before it is too late” and placed a set of proposals.

The proposals, placed at the OIC Contact Group at the United Nations headquarters on Tuesday, included a call for an immediate end to atrocities against Rohingya Muslims, the creation of ‘safe zones’ in Myanmar for the protection of civilians and an immediate and unconditional implementation of the recommendations put forward by the Kofi Annan Commission.

Stating that that the crisis has its roots in Myanmar and hence its solution also has to be found in Myanmar, she said, “We want to see an end to the ‘ethnic cleansing’.”

“It’s an unbearable human catastrophe. I myself have visited them and listened to the stories of their grave sufferings, particularly of women and children... We have continued our diplomatic efforts to return all the Rohingya to their homeland, but Myanmar is not responding,” she said.

She also criticised Myanmar for labelling Rohingya as “illegal migrants” and “Bengalis from Bangladesh”. She said historical records clearly suggest that the Rohingya have been living in Rakhine for centuries.

“Myanmar is forcibly driving out the Rohingya Muslims through a planned and organised process. First, they were excluded from the list of recognised ethnic groups of Myanmar. Then in 1982, they were denied their right to citizenship. Later, they were sent to IDP camps in their own country,” she said.

Referring to her recent visit to the Cox’s Bazar refugee camps, she said it was reminiscent of 1971. “When the Pakistani forces burned down our houses and killed our people, around 10 million people crossed the border into India. Now they (Rohingya) are in danger and we definitely need to give them shelter.”

Also, Bangladesh’s ruling 14-party alliance rejected the speech of Myanmarese leader Aung Sang Suu Kyi. The alliance’s spokesperson Mohammad Nasim said on Wednesday that it was unfortunate that Ms. Suu Kyi did not even mention the word ‘Rohingya’ in her speech.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby chola » 22 Sep 2017 13:30

Safe zones. Yeah Hasina would like that. It would mean that Beedee invasion would have succeeded by detaching land for muzzies from a kafir nation.

It would be a template for their invasion plan elsewhere too. Eventually under enough pressure by 20M and growing parasitic beedee illegal population would create the same situation in Assam (and even West Bengal though Bongs are less likely to lop off muzzie heads than Nagas and Bodos.)

When the indigenous kaffir population has had enough and vigilante groups are formed and we see retaliation, BD and the global Ummah will call for the same safe zones in the NE.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Gyan » 22 Sep 2017 20:29

Rohingiya were being settled in India as strategic vote bank by Congress Abrahimic think tank. But we need not worry, even Modi will not eject them. Will just milk the issue for some electoral gains.

Note Burma threw out Rohingiya while India threw out Kashmiri Pandits & we still pay annual ransom err budgetary support of Rs. 10,000 crore to terrorists there

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Dipanker » 22 Sep 2017 21:04

The notion of settling Rohingya muslims as a strategic vote bank is without merit, so far about 40,000 Rohingyas are living in India, that can at most influence 1 or 2 local assembly seat that is if they were all settled in one place. But that is not the case, nor do they have any voting rights yet. In fact even of the entire Rohingyas population of 1 million or so left in Burma was to settle in India ( I am not advocating it) , still it would have negligent impact in a country of 1300 million population.
Agree with the second part, few if any Rohingyas will be deported. How many Bangladeshis have been deported? Political parties will milk the issue for perceived political gain, beyond that nothing much is likely to happen.

Pandits of course needs to be resettled in Kashmir valley.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Gyan » 22 Sep 2017 21:25

Did you go and count how many Rohngiyas are there? New batches of clandestinely settled Rohingiyas are being discovered every day in numerous important towns. Also demographic change is done is slow steps and rewards are reaped decades later. Like setting up slums in Delhi by artificial constraints on FAR

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby chetak » 22 Sep 2017 21:49

Karthik S wrote:Now that Suu Kyi has said they are ready to take back rohingyas, the government has a good standing in SC to deport.


sometime back, the GoI had deported paki Hindus back to pakiland even after some court said that they should not do it.

REPORTS Nine Pakistani Hindus deported even as Rajasthan High Court stays their deportation

the rohingiyas are smart, they would have destroyed all their burmese identities and all other identification papers so their burmese status cannot be verified.

This is what the govt in burma needs to verify their identities and in the absence of such papers, they will not take them back.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby chetak » 22 Sep 2017 21:53

Dipanker wrote:The notion of settling Rohingya muslims as a strategic vote bank is without merit, so far about 40,000 Rohingyas are living in India, that can at most influence 1 or 2 local assembly seat that is if they were all settled in one place. But that is not the case, nor do they have any voting rights yet. In fact even of the entire Rohingyas population of 1 million or so left in Burma was to settle in India ( I am not advocating it) , still it would have negligent impact in a country of 1300 million population.
Agree with the second part, few if any Rohingyas will be deported. How many Bangladeshis have been deported? Political parties will milk the issue for perceived political gain, beyond that nothing much is likely to happen.

Pandits of course needs to be resettled in Kashmir valley.


why should the rohingiyas be able to influence even a municipal dog catcher's election in India??

WTF gives them that right?? and why have so many of them been settled in jammu?? if not for demographic reasons??

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby periaswamy » 23 Sep 2017 01:45

Chetak: WTF gives them that right?? and why have so many of them been settled in jammu?? if not for demographic reasons??


The treachery of the traitors in the congress party and babucracy in this Rohingya resettlement in Jammu affair is quite something. Foreigners being allowed to settle in lands that are out of bounds for all Indians (not belonging to J&K).

The slimeball Omar Abdullah has much to answer for this. Of course, it remains to be seen if this present govt. will clear out all these Rohingyas out of Jammu or allow this problem to fester until Jammu goes the way of the Valley.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby ramana » 23 Sep 2017 02:44

They will.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Gyan » 23 Sep 2017 09:41

Modi will do nothing. He wants to be International not National. He is weaker than even Vajpayee.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby pankajs » 23 Sep 2017 13:07

Why just Vajpayee, Modi is the weakest of all the PMs of India because he does not implement my favourite timepass thought.

I have said this before and will say it again and again. People must get elected to get their fav agenda implemented.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Gyan » 23 Sep 2017 22:26

Voters are not asking for anything extra ordinary except to implement the promises made.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby JE Menon » 23 Sep 2017 22:36

^^Voters? Are you their votary?

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Y. Kanan » 24 Sep 2017 00:17

SSridhar wrote:Truth *MUST* be told. Had it been any other religions, the refugees wouldn't be looked at in this manner.


That truth won't even be told in our own country, with a sitting BJP prime minister elected on an unprecedented mandate. If, after all that, we still live in such fear of the muslim community, then it's clear they''re already running the show on every level that matters.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby IndraD » 24 Sep 2017 02:26

deporting 40, 000 may not be easy: India has failed to deport 11 of them
A prison official from Manipur, which shares a porous border with Myanmar, spoke to Firstpost on the condition of anonymity and said that the authorities concerned in the state have tried many a time to deport the 11 refugees. All of them were arrested on the charges of entering India without valid documents.


The official said deporting is a cumbersome process and requires the involvement of Union Home Ministry and the cooperation of the Myanmar government. With the latter consistently refusing repatriation, the refugees find themselves stuck in Indian jails.

The prison official said the authorities are more than willing to release the Rohingya prisoners but refrain from doing so out of caution. He said there are concerns that people might assault or even kill these immigrants.

Frantic efforts, worth nothing

Reportedly, five Rohingya Muslims who were lodged at Sajiwa Central Jail in Manipur's capital Imphal were repatriated in 2015. Fearing a similar fate — since living in Myanmar is risking death for this minority — nine Rohingya Muslims who are also lodged in the central jail filed a petition in the high court on 8 February, 2016.

About that time, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, New Delhi, wrote a letter to the joint secretary of Union home ministry, seeking access to Myanmar nationals lodged in Manipur's central jail. The letter also made a case for completing the process of determining their refugee status and releasing them.

However, during the hearing on 1 February this year, their advocate Meihoubam Rakesh learnt from the government counsel that the petitioners have filed an application to the Manipur home ministry's principal secretary, seeking their repatriation. A little more than two weeks later, their case was disposed off. The court directed the principal secretary to consult with the ministry of external affairs and take a call on deporting the refugees within six weeks.

Speaking with Firstpost, Rakesh expressed surprise at the inexplicable development and said he did all in his might.

The prison official said they are still awaiting instructions from the Union Home Ministry on what to do with the foreign nationals lodged in the central jail. He informed that response to their paperwork from Myanmar comes in the language and script used in the south-east Asian country and the authorities here have to take the help of the jailed refugees to make sense of it.

Prisoners of fate

Three Rohingya Muslims were arrested on 29 January, 2012, near Indo-Myanmar border from Manipur’s Churachandpur district on the charges of entering the country without valid documents. Four days later, six more Rohingya men were arrested in the district. On July 30, the chief judicial magistrate of Churachandpur convicted all nine of them and sentenced them to six months of simple imprisonment under Section 14 of The Foreigners Act, 1946. As they had been in jail all this while, they had already served their prison term by the time the verdict was announced.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Gyan » 24 Sep 2017 10:40

Yes, I am a voter & tax payer in India and can demand my rights. Just saying that pappu is moron therefore Modi cannot be criticised does not cut it. Forget distant lands, area around India Gate ie near Modi Home & office is overrun with illegal construction of Masjids by illegal peacefuls. And Delhi Police is directly under Center. Whenever BJP gets power it becomes international at the expense of its voters. Modi misplaced emphasis on internationalism has done more for MNC & Abrahamics in 3 years what Congress could not do in 30 years. Modi might even win in 2019 solely due to pappu but what difference does it make to dying Indian Culture whether pappu or Modi? China may have taken a step back in Dohklam but is devastating Indian Business and buying out others at horrendous pace. Welcome China & Rohingiya in Delhi while criticising Nehru for 1962.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Gyan » 24 Sep 2017 10:51

Y. Kanan wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Truth *MUST* be told. Had it been any other religions, the refugees wouldn't be looked at in this manner.


That truth won't even be told in our own country, with a sitting BJP prime minister elected on an unprecedented mandate. If, after all that, we still live in such fear of the muslim community, then it's clear they''re already running the show on every level that matters.


+1

BJP govt is doing everything to encourage them while ignoring its own mandate. I don't see Aung Suu Kyi being cowed down by threats. While Modi is travelling all over the world to surrender our economic security & encouraging Abrahamics to poison our indigenous culture. Only Showbazi. Pappu is worse is the only point in his favour. Its like my son saying that it's ok to fail in 10th class because neighbour kid is retarded.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby pankajs » 24 Sep 2017 11:22

^
Modi is not listening. Amit Shah is already planning for 350+ LS seats. They will do the bare minimum to get to there. This latest salvo on minimum wage must be seen in that context. So they may or may not move on the Rohingya. Perhaps you need to do more than post on this forum. It is up to you to get you voice heard outside this forum. You don't need my advice but still here is a list of likely action.

1. File a PIL in the SC
2. Start a signature campaign on Change.org
3. Create a public movement to force the GOI to act.
4. Take out rallies and dharnas.
5. Fight election to get you wish implemented.

Or you can keep posting on this forum and keep fretting but how likely is that to change Modi's calculation on Rohingya or any other thing of your concern.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Rajdeep » 24 Sep 2017 12:04

Sheikh Hasina assassination attempt foiled: ISI-backed Bangladesh militants planned Indira-like killing, say security agencies


Indian and Bangladeshi intelligence agencies had earlier intercepted communications between ISI’s Brigadier Ashfaq and Hafiz Tohar, chief of the military wing of Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army (ARSA), a group that is sai to be carrying out attacks in the interests of the Rohingya refugees.

In these tapes, Ashfaq is heard asking Tohar to mount multiple attacks on Burmese security forces right after former UN secretary-general Kofi Annan had presented the Rakhine Commission report to Aung San Suu Kyi and Myanmar president Htin Kyaw on 24 August.

Myanmar news agency Mizzima, in a report, published the content of the two calls from Ashfaq to Tohar and one from Islamic State spokesman Al Amin to Tohar on 23 and 24 August. According to intelligence officers in Dhaka, ISI was working on a pincer plan to create unrest in the Bangladesh-Myanmar border region by assassinating Hasina.


X-Posted relevant quote from Terroristan Thread.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Karthik S » 24 Sep 2017 13:19

Least our govt can do is talk about these things. It only strengthens our case. Last week BSF soldier will killed by f'ing cow smugglers, again not a word from any senior minister.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Gyan » 24 Sep 2017 13:20

As per new reports in ET Rohingiya have been settled in proper Delhi also. Cool.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Gyan » 24 Sep 2017 13:23

Everyone does not fight elections. We send representatives to parliament. Some parties like BJP stap their voters in Back. One wonders, why fight the tusunami, just turn Abrahamic. They have eco system to protect their own and capability to buy the opposite side who ignores their own.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Y. Kanan » 24 Sep 2017 13:29

chola wrote:
Clubbing the Rohingyas along with illegal Bangladeshi immigrants in India will muddy the waters though the root cause of the problem for Myanmar and India's NE states could be just the same.


The rohingyas are 1/5000th of the problem in India. Using our limited diplomatic weight on Burma instead of Bangladesh because of the liberal Western press will NOT make us any safer and will obliterate our influence in Burma at the same time.

Cheen is offering UN support while we pile on with the West. How do you think the Burmese will react?

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-myanmar-rohingya-china/china-offers-support-to-myanmar-at-u-n-amid-rohingya-crisis-idUSKCN1BU070?il=0

China offers support to Myanmar at U.N. amid Rohingya crisis


This assumes China is not actually the one behind all this mess. Did they stoke the Rohingya situation using their Paki ISI as a way to punish Burma for drifting out of their orbit and becoming friendly to India? Is this all just another Chinese strategy, put their old satellite in danger then swoop in to rescue them, while simultaneously creating a new war for India?

I hope that's not true and just a crackpot theory, because if I'm right, China will end up not only destroying our influence in Burma but will also have planted the seeds of our next major insurrection in the NE and by doing so will have not only weakened us but also sabotaged any chance we could ever live in peace with Bangladesh.

Anyway, either way we must back the Myanmar govt, which means backing the military junta.

If China is innocent in the Rohingya uprising, if the Paki ISI and international jihadry are really the only ones behind it, and we're failing to back the junta while China does just that, then we're blowing a huge opportunity to prise China away from not just Myanmar but also Pakistan.

But like I said, whichever scenario is true, our best course is to back Myanmar unconditionally.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby chola » 24 Sep 2017 15:10

The source of the issue is Bangladesh. What nation would accept a creeping invasion from its neighbor? Okay, we do. But who else? No, Myanmar is doing what any nation intent on preserving its culture and territory would do.

Cheen by backing Myanmar is simply taking advantage of the situation and digging its claws deeper into a nation censured by the West.

If we buy the pro-muzzie (suicidal) tendencies from the Western press and pile on Burma now then we WILL lose any influence we have there.

The truth of the matter is the Rohingya is coming into India from Bangladesh along the rest of the beedee illegals. It is we who can’t control our borders with Bangladesh not Burma forcing anyone into India.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby arun » 24 Sep 2017 17:06

Rajdeep wrote:Sheikh Hasina assassination attempt foiled: ISI-backed Bangladesh militants planned Indira-like killing, say security agencies


Indian and Bangladeshi intelligence agencies had earlier intercepted communications between ISI’s Brigadier Ashfaq and Hafiz Tohar, chief of the military wing of Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army (ARSA), a group that is sai to be carrying out attacks in the interests of the Rohingya refugees.

In these tapes, Ashfaq is heard asking Tohar to mount multiple attacks on Burmese security forces right after former UN secretary-general Kofi Annan had presented the Rakhine Commission report to Aung San Suu Kyi and Myanmar president Htin Kyaw on 24 August.

Myanmar news agency Mizzima, in a report, published the content of the two calls from Ashfaq to Tohar and one from Islamic State spokesman Al Amin to Tohar on 23 and 24 August. According to intelligence officers in Dhaka, ISI was working on a pincer plan to create unrest in the Bangladesh-Myanmar border region by assassinating Hasina.


X-Posted relevant quote from Terroristan Thread.


X-Posted from Terroristan Thread, erstwhile STFUP hread.

Denied by Bangladesh.

Mohammad Ashraful Alam, deputy press secretary to Bangladesh Prime Minister:

“The reports are confusing, motivated and baseless”

Bangladesh News Paper Daily Star:

Reports on plot to murder Hasina baseless, motivated: PMO

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby JE Menon » 24 Sep 2017 21:00

>>Yes, I am a voter & tax payer in India and can demand my rights.

Feel free to do so. However, only for yourself, not "voters" in general unless you are an elected representative of some sort.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Shanmukh » 24 Sep 2017 21:13

28 Hindus (including 20 women, & 8 men, including 6 boys under the age of 10) found slaughtered by Rohingyas & dumped in a mass grave by the Myanmarese army.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 817933.cms

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Gyan » 25 Sep 2017 10:41

Yes, ordinary people can also and do represent voice of voters in General. In fact due to anti Defection law, members of parliament are more constrained. Your argument would mean that no person can raise a ggeneral social or political or even security issue unless he or she is MP.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Philip » 25 Sep 2017 14:12

The Ro issue is being misunderstood by the "fog of the propaganda war".One needs to examine it in a historical perspective first,before jumping to conclusions as most are doing in India. The Ros have been living in Burma for around 6-8 centuries-all were originally of Aryo-Indian origin. The borders of modern Burma/Myanmar,India,BDesh,etc. were very different centuries ago,pl remember this fundamental fact. various tribes,ethnic groups settle down in regions were they held sway.The Kurds in the ME a prime example,straddling Turkey,Iran and Iraq-demanding their own sep. state.

British colonialism,like the invaders of India from the NWest millennia and centuries ago,,saw empires rise and fall and their kingdoms' boundaries change too.During this time,even the religious nature of these kingdoms/regions changed.Islam entered the sub-continent as the religion of the invaders/ruling elite, unlike a more peaceful conquest of the heart through Buddhism and Hinduism in the ASEAN /Asian region.. The British brought their missionaries too,but they were more service-oriented ,hoping to win hearts and souls through service,unlike the Portugese who came with "the cross and sword",and their "convert or die" policy.The Dutch came primarily to trade and make money "law book and ledger",the Brits with their variant of the caste/class system,"cricket and the clubs",saw to dividing nations upon ethno-religious lines culminating in that greatest of historical conspiracies and diabolic intent,the partition of India on religious grounds,affecting hundreds of millions and deaths incalcuable.

The disease:
Burma;s failure to resolve after independence the ethno-religious fault lines ,plus a pro-nationalist agenda throwing out Indians (twice) and "aliens" to their Buddhist way of doing things,was also affected by the events of WW2,where the Japanese invaded the country.There was great displacement of people,suffering,etc. The massive influence of Buddhism historically can still be seen in the thousands of Buddhist temples all over the country,esp. at Pagan,etc. Thus like Sri Lanka,Buddhism and the interests of the majority Buddhist population in Burma became the priorities post-independence just
as it was in SL. Islam unfortunately is a militant religion unlike Hinduism,and the growing militancy in the Ros/Rakhine region produced inter-communal clashes that festered on like a diabetic sore. The current global agenda of the Islamic fundoos has affected almost every nation.and those with exg. tensions/conflict increased in intensity with funding from the Saudis/Wahaabi would-be's from the Gulf to Pak. Burma has also just emerged from the dark shadows of a mil. junta ruling the roost for decades. One must also remember that Suu's father was a mil-man and that accommodating the mil. junta is a necessity for Burma to limp back to a normal democracy. The continuing terror attacks against the men in unfirm had its inevitable consequences.This is the real disease.The symptoms are the refugee crisis.

The symptoms:
Refugees in their tens of thousands fleeing into BDesh,India and in smaller numbers elsewhere are the symptoms. Yes,they bring with them heir baggage of ethnicity,grievances ,etc. however,most fleeing are women,children and those elderly who could make it across. This is a humanitarian issue and as far as we are concerned,historically have welcomed those in distress from Jews,Parsis/Zoroastrians,Iranis later,Tibetans,E-Pak Bengalis in '71 (10 million!!),SL Tamil refugees ,sev.lakhs.So why the angst against the Ros? Were not some of the SL refugees pro-LTTE? Did some not involve themselves in anti-Indian activities when on our soil? Rajiv was also assassinated by SL operatives in TNadu. We canot adopt double-stds. on this issue.Humanitarian issues must be dealt with humanely.More on this later.


The solution:
Nevertheless,what the GOI should do is to eliminate the chances of those Ros who are in India from getting ensnared by pro-Islamic jihadis ,both desi and Paki.,who have but one aim,the de-stabilisation of India
.It is appalling that thousands of Ros have been allowed to enter and squat in J&K,the most sensitive state in India,daily under Paki assault through terror,etc. When Kashmirir Pandits,the original inhabitants of the state aren;t being encouraged by the state govt,. to go back to their homes and lands,Ros can freely enter J&K ?! This is simply unacceptable.They MUST be rounded up and humanely sent to camps close to the Burmese border. Those found guilty of involving themselves with terror outfits sholdl face the music,instant deportation or prosecution in India as well.

The GOI can deal with the refugee influx two ways.Prevent as much ingress of refugees. (There appears to be a drop recently perhaps due to the lessening of violence in the Rak region,after Burma has been international condemned) by better border management, and moving those who've ingressed into camps close-by,for a swift return to Burma/Rak when the situ improves. SL refugees have in large numbers returned to the island after the end of the war after living here for 2-3 decades. The Ros can be rehabilitated in Burma even faster. Those never wanting to go back MUST be absorbed as immigrants by the Islamic nations of the rich ME,like the Saudis,Gulfies,etc.,and other hyper-ventilating nations both Islamic and western,like Britain.They must put their money where their mouth is .
While the Ros are in India,let's be humane and assist them (with much promised UN help) which is our national characteristic.Let India display to the world real humanity not lip service that the west often displays.Working together with teh burmese govt. we should also ensure that the return of the Ros happens sooner rather than later.Indo-Burma.BDesh cooperation can resolve the issue without the need for firang interlopers and "NGO do-gooders",generally firang agent provocateurs.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Karthik S » 25 Sep 2017 17:21

Shanmukh wrote:28 Hindus (including 20 women, & 8 men, including 6 boys under the age of 10) found slaughtered by Rohingyas & dumped in a mass grave by the Myanmarese army.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 817933.cms


The number has increased by 17.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Falijee » 25 Sep 2017 19:19

Rohingyas In India Approached By Al-Qaeda :roll:

Was scouting for Rohingya Muslims in Delhi, Mizoram says al-Qaeda operative

Shauman Haq who was arrested by the Delhi police said that he was sent on a specific mission to recruit Rohingya Muslims. He told the police that he was targeting the Rohingyas in Delhi, Manipur and Mizoram.
I was told to recruit a few vulnerable Rohingyas and set up a module, he also said during his interrogation. We were hatching a specific plan to set up modules and also carry out attack, Haq said while also adding that the same was being done to take revenge.
He said that he had no recruits in joining the al-Qaeda. The specific goal was to take revenge and tell the world about the plight of the Rohingya Muslims, he also said. A Delhi police officer informed that Rahman was radicalised in jail when he was arrested on charges of rash driving in London.
Rahman alias Raju Bhai, a British national of Bangladeshi origin was arrested on Sunday from Vikas Marg, Shakarpur (near ITO by the Delhi Police's Special Cell, that was on his trail since July.
Rahman is trained in using hi-end weapons and has fought against the Syrian forces on behalf of Jabhat al Nusra, an affiliate of al-Qaeda in Syria. The investigators describe him as a "trained solider fighting for a wrong cause". Rahman's father had moved from Bangladesh to London in the 1960s and had set up his business there. His family lives in posh central London.
He was lodged in jail till April this year. While he was in jail, he came in contact with members of other terror outfits, including Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen Bangladesh, said an investigator. After he was released on bail in April this year, he was asked to travel to India since the Bangladeshi authorities were already on his trail. He entered India illegally in April and on the instruction of top leaders of al-Qaeda, started looking for Rohingya Muslims so that he could "radicalise" them and train them to fight against the Myanmarese army, said the investigator.
During this period, he stayed at various madrassas in Kishanganj (Bihar), Hazari Bagh (Jharkhand), NCR and other places. He had plans to set up base in Mizoram or Manipur to train radicalised youths. Police also suspect that he was in touch with some militant organisations in Kashmir but till now, they have not found any clue whether he had any plans specific to India. A tech-savvy person, Rahman was in touch with top leaders of al-Qaeda, Muhammad al-Jawlani, head of al-Nusrah Front through secure messaging apps like Telegram, the investigator said.He knew how to use protected sites so that his conversations could not be deciphered by the intelligence agencies.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Rudradev » 26 Sep 2017 04:14

This article is MOSTLY the sort of Islampasand atrocity-literature that you would expect from the Wilsonian US Media ("The Atlantic"), but it provides one refreshing breath of fresh air in honestly revealing information that I, at least, did not know before.

https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... ma/540513/


For the Burmese government, the word Rohingya is particularly fraught. This is because if the government acknowledges Rakhine’s Muslims as members of the Rohingya ethnic group, then under the 1982 citizenship law—ironically, the same measure that stripped the Rohingya of their citizenship—the Muslims would be allowed an autonomous area within the country. And therein lies the crux of the problem: The Burmese fear a Rohingya autonomous area along the border with Bangladesh would come at the expense of Rakhine territory. The Burmese military, which has cracked down on Rohingya civilians, views this as a possible staging area for terrorism by groups like ARSA.

“This fear is very deeply felt and not understood in the West—and it comes from a real place rooted in Burma’s history,” Mitchell said.

That “real place” dates back to the aftermath of World War II, when the forebears of the Rohingya appealed to Pakistan, which at the time included what is now Bangladesh, to annex their territory. Pakistan did not do so. Subsequently, many of the Muslims took up arms and fought a separatist rebellion until the 1960s, though vestiges of the rebellion continued until the 1990s.


“So when the Rakhine and others in Myanmar look at what’s going on with the name Rohingya, the desire for recognition as an accepted ethnicity, now this militant activity in their name, and calls by some for international intervention, including a safe zone, they see that as a separatist agenda by other means,” Mitchell said. Wouldn't they be colossally stupid to see it any other way? The FIRST THING these pigs did after the British left was ask Pakistan to annex the Rakhine state.“And those caught in the middle are hundreds of thousands of innocent Rohingya.”

The Rakhines themselves are an ethnic minority in Burma, though they are predominantly Buddhist, and so share the same faith as nearly 88 percent of the rest of the country.

Indeed, Maung Thway Chun, the editor of a newsweekly for hardline :roll: Buddhist nationalists, told Joe Freeman, a journalist based in Rangoon: “[W]e don’t want Muslims to swallow our country. … They will not finish with attacking just Rakhine. They will also invade Chin State or Irrawaddy region,” he said, referring to two states located to the immediate south and northeast of Rakhine. “Then this country will be a Muslim country. It is such a shame for us that the land we inherited from our former generations will be lost in our time.” Despite the evidence of history in every corner of the world from Bosnia to the Philippines, people who articulate such a scenario (that Muslims could have a political, territorial, and demographic agenda in any way different from anyone else... must be described as "hardline nationalists" (at least they aren't being called "fascists" or "Islamophobes" in this article.)

That may sound absurd in a country with a 4 percent Muslim population, but it’s an argument that many Burmese make, pointing to ARSA’s growing presence in Rakhine and surrounding areas. Bangladesh has watched with growing concern the group’s activity on its soil, and proposed military operations with Burma against it. A coordinated effort by India-BD-Burma security forces against ARSA may be a required part of any permanent resettlement of Rohingyas.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby arun » 26 Sep 2017 10:26

Karthik S wrote:
Shanmukh wrote:28 Hindus (including 20 women, & 8 men, including 6 boys under the age of 10) found slaughtered by Rohingyas & dumped in a mass grave by the Myanmarese army.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 817933.cms


The number has increased by 17.

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AFP is not the only wire service reporting slaughter of Hindu’s by Mohammaddens in Myanmar’s Rakhine province. Reuters is also reporting the slaughter of Hindu’s by Mohammaddens in Myanmar’s Rakhine province albeit at a bodycount lower than the 45 reported in the above tweet:

Myanmar says bodies of 28 Hindu villagers found in Rakhine State

Meanwhile according to India Today, the Illegal Mohammadden Bengali speaking migrants in Myanmar’s Rakhine province who have been forced to flee Myanmar in the aftermath of their attempts to intimidate Buddhist’s, Hindu’s etc in Rakhine continue their intimidatory tactics in Refugee camps set up in Bangladesh by targetting Hindu’s. India Today reports that Hindu’s are being forced to follow Mohammadden practise by praying in Mohammadden manner and prevented in following Hindu practise by preventing Hindu women wearing Sindoor.

I hope our Supreme Court takes note and our Government strongly takes up matter with Bangladesh Government on their need to ensure Hundu’s are not intimidated in refugee camps on Bangladeshi soil:

Forced to remove sindoor, read namaz: Horror engulfs Hindu Rohingya women in camps

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Karthik S » 26 Sep 2017 10:33

We can work with Myanmar and BD authorities and bring home Hindu refugees. I know we run the risk of RMs masquerading as Hindus and entering India, but it can be take care of later, preventing further massacre of Hindus should be our first priority.


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