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The Rohingya Menace

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Pathik » 26 Sep 2017 10:58

Philip wrote:The Ro issue is being misunderstood by the "fog of the propaganda war".One needs to examine it in a historical perspective first,before jumping to conclusions as most are doing in India. The Ros have been living in Burma for around 6-8 centuries-all were originally of Aryo-Indian origin. The borders of modern Burma/Myanmar,India,BDesh,etc. were very different centuries ago,pl remember this fundamental fact. various tribes,ethnic groups settle down in regions were they held sway.The Kurds in the ME a prime example,straddling Turkey,Iran and Iraq-demanding their own sep. state.

British colonialism,like the invaders of India from the NWest millennia and centuries ago,,saw empires rise and fall and their kingdoms' boundaries change too.During this time,even the religious nature of these kingdoms/regions changed.Islam entered the sub-continent as the religion of the invaders/ruling elite, unlike a more peaceful conquest of the heart through Buddhism and Hinduism in the ASEAN /Asian region.. The British brought their missionaries too,but they were more service-oriented ,hoping to win hearts and souls through service,unlike the Portugese who came with "the cross and sword",and their "convert or die" policy.The Dutch came primarily to trade and make money "law book and ledger",the Brits with their variant of the caste/class system,"cricket and the clubs",saw to dividing nations upon ethno-religious lines culminating in that greatest of historical conspiracies and diabolic intent,the partition of India on religious grounds,affecting hundreds of millions and deaths incalcuable.

The disease:
Burma;s failure to resolve after independence the ethno-religious fault lines ,plus a pro-nationalist agenda throwing out Indians (twice) and "aliens" to their Buddhist way of doing things,was also affected by the events of WW2,where the Japanese invaded the country.There was great displacement of people,suffering,etc. The massive influence of Buddhism historically can still be seen in the thousands of Buddhist temples all over the country,esp. at Pagan,etc. Thus like Sri Lanka,Buddhism and the interests of the majority Buddhist population in Burma became the priorities post-independence just
as it was in SL. Islam unfortunately is a militant religion unlike Hinduism,and the growing militancy in the Ros/Rakhine region produced inter-communal clashes that festered on like a diabetic sore. The current global agenda of the Islamic fundoos has affected almost every nation.and those with exg. tensions/conflict increased in intensity with funding from the Saudis/Wahaabi would-be's from the Gulf to Pak. Burma has also just emerged from the dark shadows of a mil. junta ruling the roost for decades. One must also remember that Suu's father was a mil-man and that accommodating the mil. junta is a necessity for Burma to limp back to a normal democracy. The continuing terror attacks against the men in unfirm had its inevitable consequences.This is the real disease.The symptoms are the refugee crisis.

The symptoms:
Refugees in their tens of thousands fleeing into BDesh,India and in smaller numbers elsewhere are the symptoms. Yes,they bring with them heir baggage of ethnicity,grievances ,etc. however,most fleeing are women,children and those elderly who could make it across. This is a humanitarian issue and as far as we are concerned,historically have welcomed those in distress from Jews,Parsis/Zoroastrians,Iranis later,Tibetans,E-Pak Bengalis in '71 (10 million!!),SL Tamil refugees ,sev.lakhs.So why the angst against the Ros? Were not some of the SL refugees pro-LTTE? Did some not involve themselves in anti-Indian activities when on our soil? Rajiv was also assassinated by SL operatives in TNadu. We canot adopt double-stds. on this issue.Humanitarian issues must be dealt with humanely.More on this later.


The solution:
Nevertheless,what the GOI should do is to eliminate the chances of those Ros who are in India from getting ensnared by pro-Islamic jihadis ,both desi and Paki.,who have but one aim,the de-stabilisation of India
.It is appalling that thousands of Ros have been allowed to enter and squat in J&K,the most sensitive state in India,daily under Paki assault through terror,etc. When Kashmirir Pandits,the original inhabitants of the state aren;t being encouraged by the state govt,. to go back to their homes and lands,Ros can freely enter J&K ?! This is simply unacceptable.They MUST be rounded up and humanely sent to camps close to the Burmese border. Those found guilty of involving themselves with terror outfits sholdl face the music,instant deportation or prosecution in India as well.

The GOI can deal with the refugee influx two ways.Prevent as much ingress of refugees. (There appears to be a drop recently perhaps due to the lessening of violence in the Rak region,after Burma has been international condemned) by better border management, and moving those who've ingressed into camps close-by,for a swift return to Burma/Rak when the situ improves. SL refugees have in large numbers returned to the island after the end of the war after living here for 2-3 decades. The Ros can be rehabilitated in Burma even faster. Those never wanting to go back MUST be absorbed as immigrants by the Islamic nations of the rich ME,like the Saudis,Gulfies,etc.,and other hyper-ventilating nations both Islamic and western,like Britain.They must put their money where their mouth is .
While the Ros are in India,let's be humane and assist them (with much promised UN help) which is our national characteristic.Let India display to the world real humanity not lip service that the west often displays.Working together with teh burmese govt. we should also ensure that the return of the Ros happens sooner rather than later.Indo-Burma.BDesh cooperation can resolve the issue without the need for firang interlopers and "NGO do-gooders",generally firang agent provocateurs.

Good write up saar, only issue is that rohingyas are foreign muslims who may be very indifferent as far as love for india is concerned.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby KLNMurthy » 26 Sep 2017 11:02

tandav wrote:Option4: Encourage Rohingyas to move to Bangladesh or even Pakistan for the time being. In time as Pakistan and Bangladesh start population control measures these refugees will be absorbed. In a few years there will more clarity on what is to be done to talk to Myanmar regards these populations

Option 5: not a good option, actually evil, but still an option: leave the rohingyas in India but subject them, along with surrounding Indian Muslims to occasional violence by xyz Sena and keep them perpetually suppressed and in a state of misery and fear of yeevil yindoos.

If we can't come up with a sensible solution, option 5 will become the de facto option.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby chetak » 26 Sep 2017 11:09

Pathik wrote:
Philip wrote:The Ro issue is being misunderstood by the "fog of the propaganda war".One needs to examine it in a historical perspective first,before jumping to conclusions as most are doing in India. The Ros have been living in Burma for around 6-8 centuries-all were originally of Aryo-Indian origin. The borders of modern Burma/Myanmar,India,BDesh,etc. were very different centuries ago,pl remember this fundamental fact. various tribes,ethnic groups settle down in regions were they held sway.The Kurds in the ME a prime example,straddling Turkey,Iran and Iraq-demanding their own sep. state.

British colonialism,like the invaders of India from the NWest millennia and centuries ago,,saw empires rise and fall and their kingdoms' boundaries change too.During this time,even the religious nature of these kingdoms/regions changed.Islam entered the sub-continent as the religion of the invaders/ruling elite, unlike a more peaceful conquest of the heart through Buddhism and Hinduism in the ASEAN /Asian region.. The British brought their missionaries too,but they were more service-oriented ,hoping to win hearts and souls through service,unlike the Portugese who came with "the cross and sword",and their "convert or die" policy.The Dutch came primarily to trade and make money "law book and ledger",the Brits with their variant of the caste/class system,"cricket and the clubs",saw to dividing nations upon ethno-religious lines culminating in that greatest of historical conspiracies and diabolic intent,the partition of India on religious grounds,affecting hundreds of millions and deaths incalcuable.

The disease:
Burma;s failure to resolve after independence the ethno-religious fault lines ,plus a pro-nationalist agenda throwing out Indians (twice) and "aliens" to their Buddhist way of doing things,was also affected by the events of WW2,where the Japanese invaded the country.There was great displacement of people,suffering,etc. The massive influence of Buddhism historically can still be seen in the thousands of Buddhist temples all over the country,esp. at Pagan,etc. Thus like Sri Lanka,Buddhism and the interests of the majority Buddhist population in Burma became the priorities post-independence just
as it was in SL. Islam unfortunately is a militant religion unlike Hinduism,and the growing militancy in the Ros/Rakhine region produced inter-communal clashes that festered on like a diabetic sore. The current global agenda of the Islamic fundoos has affected almost every nation.and those with exg. tensions/conflict increased in intensity with funding from the Saudis/Wahaabi would-be's from the Gulf to Pak. Burma has also just emerged from the dark shadows of a mil. junta ruling the roost for decades. One must also remember that Suu's father was a mil-man and that accommodating the mil. junta is a necessity for Burma to limp back to a normal democracy. The continuing terror attacks against the men in unfirm had its inevitable consequences.This is the real disease.The symptoms are the refugee crisis.

The symptoms:
Refugees in their tens of thousands fleeing into BDesh,India and in smaller numbers elsewhere are the symptoms. Yes,they bring with them heir baggage of ethnicity,grievances ,etc. however,most fleeing are women,children and those elderly who could make it across. This is a humanitarian issue and as far as we are concerned,historically have welcomed those in distress from Jews,Parsis/Zoroastrians,Iranis later,Tibetans,E-Pak Bengalis in '71 (10 million!!),SL Tamil refugees ,sev.lakhs.So why the angst against the Ros? Were not some of the SL refugees pro-LTTE? Did some not involve themselves in anti-Indian activities when on our soil? Rajiv was also assassinated by SL operatives in TNadu. We canot adopt double-stds. on this issue.Humanitarian issues must be dealt with humanely.More on this later.


The solution:
Nevertheless,what the GOI should do is to eliminate the chances of those Ros who are in India from getting ensnared by pro-Islamic jihadis ,both desi and Paki.,who have but one aim,the de-stabilisation of India
.It is appalling that thousands of Ros have been allowed to enter and squat in J&K,the most sensitive state in India,daily under Paki assault through terror,etc. When Kashmirir Pandits,the original inhabitants of the state aren;t being encouraged by the state govt,. to go back to their homes and lands,Ros can freely enter J&K ?! This is simply unacceptable.They MUST be rounded up and humanely sent to camps close to the Burmese border. Those found guilty of involving themselves with terror outfits sholdl face the music,instant deportation or prosecution in India as well.

The GOI can deal with the refugee influx two ways.Prevent as much ingress of refugees. (There appears to be a drop recently perhaps due to the lessening of violence in the Rak region,after Burma has been international condemned) by better border management, and moving those who've ingressed into camps close-by,for a swift return to Burma/Rak when the situ improves. SL refugees have in large numbers returned to the island after the end of the war after living here for 2-3 decades. The Ros can be rehabilitated in Burma even faster. Those never wanting to go back MUST be absorbed as immigrants by the Islamic nations of the rich ME,like the Saudis,Gulfies,etc.,and other hyper-ventilating nations both Islamic and western,like Britain.They must put their money where their mouth is .
While the Ros are in India,let's be humane and assist them (with much promised UN help) which is our national characteristic.Let India display to the world real humanity not lip service that the west often displays.Working together with teh burmese govt. we should also ensure that the return of the Ros happens sooner rather than later.Indo-Burma.BDesh cooperation can resolve the issue without the need for firang interlopers and "NGO do-gooders",generally firang agent provocateurs.

Good write up saar, only issue is that rohingyas are foreign muslims who may be very indifferent as far as love for india is concerned.


These guys are criminally hardened, habitually violent people for whom the solution to every problem emerges from the barrel of a gun or at the business end of a machete.

We simply have no obligations towards them, irrespective of what anyone says.

ROHINGYA: CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER


Again, India is a union of States and the Parliament is the supreme authority to frame laws pertaining to citizenship, naturalisation or aliens. Since there are no specific legislations that govern the entry and status of refugees in India, refugees fall under the ambit of ‘aliens’ as per Article 22, para three, entry 17, list one, schedule seven of the Indian Constitution, Section 83 of the Civil Procedure Code Section 3(2)(b) of the Indian Citizenship Act of 1955.

Enactments bestowing the Indian Government with sweeping powers and governing entry, stay, departure of ‘aliens’ are present in the Registration of Foreigners Act, 1939; Foreigners Act 1946; Passport Acts of 1920 and 1967. Violation by ‘aliens’ under Section nine of the Foreigners Act, 1946, and Foreigners Order,1948, can invite punitive action by the Indian Government, including summary arrest, detention, prosecution, expulsion.

Interestingly, the Supreme Court has in the past, on a related matter stated, “The power of the Government to expel foreigners is absolute and unlimited and there is no provision in the Constitution fettering this discretion. The executive Government has unrestricted right to expel a foreigner”.

Rohingyas cannot be deported back from India, says the UNHRC, citing international policy of refoulment, customary laws, due process and UN convention on civil and political rights. By that same logic, will the UNHRC also fight for the rights of Indian-origin Burmese, who fled Burma/Myanmar in large numbers between 1930-1962 after being victims of sectarian and communal violence?

Do note that between 1886-1920, Indian-origin Burmese dominated the ‘rice trade’ and were the key financiers to the agricultural class in the Burma of that period till international prices of rice and allied agricultural commodities collapsed in 1920, triggering fatal violence against the Indian community, largely businessmen between 1920-1930, post which, they were forced to flee.

Again, since India is not a signatory to either the 1951 Refugee Convention or the 1967 Protocol relating to Refugees, the UNHRC’s contentions are lame and ill-founded.

Last but not the least, what cannot be underscored enough is the fact that the UNHRC has no business meddling in India’s internal affairs, more so when it concerns India’s security, sovereignty and integrity. As they say, you do not solve your neighbour’s problem by importing it home.


This may sound crude to all those activists and misguided lawyers who are supporting the Rohingyas on humanitarian grounds, but they have clearly missed the plot here. No sovereign nation in today’s times can or should compromise its national security in a bid to appease on humanitarian grounds as the results can be disastrous. Between 2015 and 2016, hate crimes in Germany went up by 117 per cent, from 9,2000 to 200,000. In the said period, the number of Albanian, Tunisian, Moroccan and Syrian refugees into Germany went up by 440 per cent. Clearly, this could not have been sheer coincidence.

Prince Zeid bin Ra’ad, High Commissioner of the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, has been lecturing India on the need to not deport the Rohingyas while turning a blind eye to the 154 executions carried out by Saudi Arabia in 2016 to curb dissidence, including the execution of prominent Shia cleric, Nimr-al-Nimr, who was reportedly convicted following a deeply flawed trial.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Gyan » 26 Sep 2017 11:24

India is facing a Civilizational Conflict where USA with Saudis & Israel are destabilising the world through Terrorism by Peacefuls and Immigration by Peacefuls. Only China is standing safe and confidant. Our weak response is also a lesson in history as to why China was able to cleanse itself from Muslim conquest while we are still suffering even after partition. See the response of Burma while comparing with Hindus being overrun in Assam & WB etc.

Modi has given up all Hindu causes, even though he was able to get majority in Lok Sabha. BJP had always been whining that Hindus cannot bring them to majority or that Article 370 requires Consitutional Amendment, but both these arguments have proven false. Inspite thereof??? Can we even ban foreign NGOs?.

Modi wants second term for what? More orders to foreigners?

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby pankajs » 26 Sep 2017 11:53

*Blanket* Banning foreign NGOs / foreign *supported* NGOs was not on electoral agenda nor is it on GOI's.

However you can certainly ask for it being a citizen of India but Modi is not obliged to act on it. You also have a right to protest such *inaction* and actively campaign to get it on the agenda of BJP or any other party you think will be more forthcoming on the issue. That is the democratic process and I fully respect you democratic rights.

This post was just to point out the obvious and not do dispute you right to question Modi/BJP/GOI/NGOs/foreign NGOs/foreign *supported* NGOs.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby pankajs » 26 Sep 2017 12:51

BTW, To act like China or Burma we have to first become China and Burma. I will leave it at that for now.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Yagnasri » 26 Sep 2017 13:23

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/hind ... 55983.html

Still any doubts on these Jihadis???

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Shanmukh » 26 Sep 2017 14:52

Many Hindu refugees confirm that they were attacked by the Rohingyas and not by the Burmese army. Multiple witnesses independently point out that the Hindus were attacked & slaughtered by the Rohingyas.

In the meantime, Hindus are being slaughtered in refugee camps in Bangladesh by Rohingyas.

http://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2017/09/ ... in-myanmar

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby chola » 26 Sep 2017 15:31

Shanmukh wrote:Many Hindu refugees confirm that they were attacked by the Rohingyas and not by the Burmese army. Multiple witnesses independently point out that the Hindus were attacked & slaughtered by the Rohingyas.

In the meantime, Hindus are being slaughtered in refugee camps in Bangladesh by Rohingyas.

http://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2017/09/ ... in-myanmar



My God, we are acting like the suicidal Western left. We ignore the persecution and slaughter of Hindus by these fvcking muzzies while crying about their plight. This is the same insane view as in Europe as Syrian, Egyptian and Iraqi Christians are murdered by Muslims and completely ignored by the gori liberal press while making every effort to prepare the welcome committee for muslims. Completely insane and suicidal.

We should be airlifting these hindus to India. And forcing Rohingya back to BD with extreme prejudice.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Peregrine » 26 Sep 2017 15:45

Karthik S wrote:We can work with Myanmar and BD authorities and bring home Hindu refugees. I know we run the risk of RMs masquerading as Hindus and entering India, but it can be take care of later, preventing further massacre of Hindus should be our first priority.
Karthik S Ji :
I trust you will be able to recall the picture of a Terroristani Soldier during the "East Pakistan now Bangladesh" Crisis carrying out a "Lungi" Inspection. Indian Soldiers and Security staff can carry out a similar Inspection.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby AjayKK » 26 Sep 2017 16:26

From Eleven Myanmar news-

IS craves for Islamic State and future of Myanmar (Part 1)
http://elevenmyanmar.com/opinion/11459

IS craves for Islamic State and future of Myanmar (Part II)
http://www.elevenmyanmar.com/opinion/11549

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Karthik S » 26 Sep 2017 19:10

Image

Apparently there is nobody called Rohingya Hindu. He should know that.

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The Rohingya Menace

Postby Peregrine » 26 Sep 2017 20:31

X Posted on the Terroristan Thread

Pakistan’s very own Rohingya plight goes unnoticed

The irony remains at large that the plight of minorities across Pakistan who are just as oppressed remains unheard.

As the world mulls over how to deal with the Rohingya crisis, which is now deemed as a textbook case of “ethnic cleansing” by the United Nations, there is so much more that Pakistan can do. Gradually, the world is now waking up to a horrifying truth that a "silent genocide" is taking place in Myanmar, which is vehemently carried out by the oppressive Burmese military against the Rohingya which is one of the most persecuted minorities in the world.

UK Prime Minister Theresa May, recently announced at the UN General Assembly that the UK would suspend its joint UK-Burmese military training over the inhumane treatment of Rohingya, the US has also decided to provide an aid relief of $32 million to help the constant influx of over 400,000 Rohingya refugees into Bangladesh.

While village after village burns in the Rakhine state of Myanmar as satellite imaging shared by Amnesty International indicates, Bangladesh's Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina has also requested Myanmar to take back the large influx of Rohingya it holds and to stop calling Rohingya as ‘Bengalis’.

Myanmar's once-revered Nobel Peace Prize-winning leader Aung San Suu Kyi broke her long-running silence and openly denied any sort of ethnic cleansing against the Rohingya community. Suu Kyi did acknowledge that some Rohingya people are being displaced but never pointed out the real culprits like the Burmese military behind the many attacks Rohingya have suffered. For many, Suu Kyi’s speech was filled with hollowed promises.

Meanwhile in Pakistan, which one might think must be heaven for the Rohingya community due to the persistent interest in the Rohingya issue shown by many religious and political parties here, it is also a "living nightmare" for many of the Rohingya refugees who now call it their permanent home.

It is estimated that between 350,000 to 500,000 members of Pakistan's Rohingya community live in deplorable conditions, mostly in the slums of Karachi (the country's financial capital), and after decades of living in the country are denied their basic rights of citizenship. Many of them are not even able to get any sort of basic education, health care or easy access to jobs which is crucial for the community’s welfare, even worse is that Rohingya in Pakistan are often harassed by law enforcement agencies who often view them as "illegal aliens" that are a threat to the national security of the country.

A large majority of Pakistan’s Rohingya who stayed back still remain "stateless aliens" in a country which fails to see them as its own, many of Pakistan’s Rohingya now see themselves betrayed by a false notion of a promised land.

Pakistan which has long established itself as a bastion of the "Muslim Ummah" has all but miserably failed to protect the rights of its own religious and ethnic minorities many of them, including the Sunni Rohingya, Shia Hazara, Ahmadis and Christians, all face collective institutionalised discrimination at the hands of state institutions and are even persecuted by extremists groups who are often linked to terrorist activities both at home and aboard.

Such a display of selective humanity comes as a hypocritical notion, especially from a society which often takes pride in standing up for the rights of the oppressed and persecuted Muslim populations all around the world. But the irony remains at large that the plight of minorities across Pakistan remains unheard of despite considered equal citizens according to the law of the land.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Supratik » 27 Sep 2017 00:42

100 Hindus were abducted in Rakhine, 92 killed, 8 females taken captive.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Gyan » 27 Sep 2017 10:25

BJP is just milking Rohingya issue without doing anything about it. They should learn from NDA 1 debacle that issues which attract vote & support when BJP Is in opposition, brings scorn & derision when BJP is ruling. The whole game plan of Modi is to encash pro poor secular image of Modi to create a new vote bank by sacrificing portion of old vote bank. UP was test phase. Now issue is whether like UP divided opposition parties and attraction of poor towards Modi will continue to work or not? Will Modi embrace Islamisation, Chinese imports, Global Giants, EJ NGOs at the expense of Indian economic independence & Hinduism? What's the purpose of winning elections? Just staying in power like other parties? I have no doubt Modi will win 2019 but then? Delhi is getting over run by BDs and Rohingiyas. Modi is unable to protect super duper sensitive areas even in Delhi where Encroachment of Peaceful structures is taking place with connivance of Govt. Officials.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Sachin » 27 Sep 2017 17:05

x-post from Politics thread..
Sachin wrote:One more specimen which the BJP needs to get rid off, the sooner the better. Don't know why the party keep such people around.
India should give Rohingya Muslim refugees asylum, says BJP MP Varun Gandhi
Varun Gandhi's View On Rohingya Draws Big Put-Down From Government

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby syam » 27 Sep 2017 23:17

Karthik S wrote:Image

Apparently there is nobody called Rohingya Hindu. He should know that.

It's title of the article. He copy pasted it.
Ever heard the phrase "miss the forest for the trees". :D

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Shanmukh » 28 Sep 2017 09:28

Islamists marched off the Hindus, cut the throats of the men & threw them into pits. They then ordered the terrified survivors to tell everyone that the Buddhists butchered them.

The Burmese Buddhists are guarding the mass graves, lighting fires to keep the wild dogs away from the Hindu bodies.

BTW, till now, the Islamists were denying that they killed the Hindus. Now that it is clear they actually slaughtered the Hindus, excuses start coming in. Hindus are accused of being Burmese government spies (wasn't this same accusation hurled at Kashmiri Hindus when they were slaughtered & expelled)?

http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report-my ... ts-2548817

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby chetak » 28 Sep 2017 13:08

syam wrote:
Karthik S wrote:Image

Apparently there is nobody called Rohingya Hindu. He should know that.

It's title of the article. He copy pasted it.
Ever heard the phrase "miss the forest for the trees". :D


I personally thought that this ram madhav guy was the cat's whiskers but he is slowly getting mired in unproductive politics and losing sight of the main goal. He seems to have joined with the PDP and created a $hithole in cashmere after being led by the nose by malsi hardliners.

I Guess that power and pelf corrupts the best of them, no exceptions.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Philip » 28 Sep 2017 13:32

Will Modi embrace Islamisation, Chinese imports, Global Giants, EJ NGOs at the expense of Indian economic independence & Hinduism? What's the purpose of winning elections? Just staying in power like other parties?


Gyan,this is the general feeling all over the country,esp. the middle class. Everyone had great hopes when Modiji was elected,but the disastrous eco measures and refusal to acknowledge that they were implemented in haste and executed disastrously, has now led to the open Sub.Swamy/Sinha /Gurumurthy criticism. If priority given to winning elections rather than "good governance" ,the voter will swiftly get disillusioned.These days the youth is in no mood to give politicos a "second chance" of another 5 years,adding up to a decade of eco. misery.

The failure to check Chinese imports has been one of the most massive factors affecting Indian industry.It's killed off many SMEs,beggared tiny entrepreneurs.WE now import and import but export less and less with a widening trade gap.We have no petro resources and the glamour of iron ore exports has ended after the Chinese eco slowdown.The continuous rise in petrol and diesel prices with 50% of it being taxes,infuriates the common man.With the eco. in such poor shape,no one is going to give a damn about Ros,and spinning the issue.

The simple fact is that almost all Indians,don't want Ros in India and are horrified that they're squatting in places like J&K. A swift roundup should be made and all Ros sens to camps next to the Burmese border from where they can be swiftly and easily deported when things cool down in the Rakhine state.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby syam » 28 Sep 2017 13:57

chetak wrote:I personally thought that this ram madhav guy was the cat's whiskers but he is slowly getting mired in unproductive politics and losing sight of the main goal. He seems to have joined with the PDP and created a $hithole in cashmere after being led by the nose by malsi hardliners.

I Guess that power and pelf corrupts the best of them, no exceptions.

Blame most of the $hit happening in J&K and NE on decades of neglect. We didn't care about them for decades. Now we want solution for it within small time frame. Ram Madhav started just 3 years back. He was not BJP guy before 2014. Here we are lambasting him for his supposed failure.

You need to do more research on him. I assure you won't be disappointed.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby chetak » 28 Sep 2017 15:06

syam wrote:
chetak wrote:I personally thought that this ram madhav guy was the cat's whiskers but he is slowly getting mired in unproductive politics and losing sight of the main goal. He seems to have joined with the PDP and created a $hithole in cashmere after being led by the nose by malsi hardliners.

I Guess that power and pelf corrupts the best of them, no exceptions.

Blame most of the $hit happening in J&K and NE on decades of neglect. We didn't care about them for decades. Now we want solution for it within small time frame. Ram Madhav started just 3 years back. He was not BJP guy before 2014. Here we are lambasting him for his supposed failure.

You need to do more research on him. I assure you won't be disappointed.


I didn't ask for the solution but just for some continuity of thought and the process that the Modi lot first adopted when they dipped their twinkly toes into the cashmere quagmire and cesspool purposely created by the congis with the abdullahs, mufti, and the hurriyat ruling the roost.

They (interlocutors) all go native, sooner than later. In terms of attitude and ideology, do unto the jhadi cashmeris what they have been doing unto you for so long. It is the only language that they understand.

Unshackle the troops and give them the freedom to respond lethally to attacks, even if only in self defence.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby chetak » 28 Sep 2017 15:10

Philip wrote:
Will Modi embrace Islamisation, Chinese imports, Global Giants, EJ NGOs at the expense of Indian economic independence & Hinduism? What's the purpose of winning elections? Just staying in power like other parties?


Gyan,this is the general feeling all over the country,esp. the middle class. Everyone had great hopes when Modiji was elected,but the disastrous eco measures and refusal to acknowledge that they were implemented in haste and executed disastrously, has now led to the open Sub.Swamy/Sinha /Gurumurthy criticism. If priority given to winning elections rather than "good governance" ,the voter will swiftly get disillusioned.These days the youth is in no mood to give politicos a "second chance" of another 5 years,adding up to a decade of eco. misery.

The failure to check Chinese imports has been one of the most massive factors affecting Indian industry.It's killed off many SMEs,beggared tiny entrepreneurs.WE now import and import but export less and less with a widening trade gap.We have no petro resources and the glamour of iron ore exports has ended after the Chinese eco slowdown.The continuous rise in petrol and diesel prices with 50% of it being taxes,infuriates the common man.With the eco. in such poor shape,no one is going to give a damn about Ros,and spinning the issue.

The simple fact is that almost all Indians,don't want Ros in India and are horrified that they're squatting in places like J&K. A swift roundup should be made and all Ros sens to camps next to the Burmese border from where they can be swiftly and easily deported when things cool down in the Rakhine state.


Round them all up, do complete biometrics including iris scans, shift them to secure camps with no exit and ingress so that more of their pals cannot join them illegally. kick them out when things cool down.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby IndraD » 30 Sep 2017 02:22

a good compilation of history re Rohingya: though from WSJ https://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/201 ... -minority/

8th Century: The Rohingya, a people of South Asian origin, dwelled in an independent kingdom in Arakan, now known as Rakhine state in modern-day Myanmar.

9th to 14th Century: The Rohingya came into contact with Islam through Arab traders. Close ties were forged between Arakan and Bengal.

1784: The Burman King Bodawpaya conquered Arakan and hundreds of thousands of refugees fled to Bengal.

1790: Hiram Cox, a British diplomat sent to assist refugees, established the town of Cox’s Bazar in Bangladesh, where many Rohingya still live today.

1824 to 1942: Britain captured Burma—now known as Myanmar—and made it a province of British India. Workers were migrated to Burma from other parts of British India for infrastructure projects.

1942: Japan invaded Burma, pushing out the British. As the British retreated, Burmese nationalists attacked Muslim communities who they thought had benefited from British colonial rule.

1945: Britain liberated Burma from Japanese occupation with help of Burmese nationalists led by Aung San and Rohingya fighters. Rohingyas felt betrayed as the British didn’t fulfill a promise of autonomy for Arakan.

1948: Tensions increased between the government of newly independent Burma and the Rohingya, many of whom wanted Arakan to join Muslim-majority Pakistan. The government retaliated by ostracizing the Rohingya, including removing Rohingya civil servants.

1950: Some Rohingya resisted the government, led by armed groups called Mujahids. The insurgency gradually died down.

1962: General Ne Win and his Burma Socialist Programme Party seized power and took a hard line against the Rohingya.

1977: The junta began Operation Nagamin, or Dragon King, which they said was aimed at screening the population for foreigners. More than 200,000 Rohingya fled to Bangladesh, amid allegations of army abuses. The army denied any wrongdoing.

1978: Bangladesh struck a U.N.-brokered deal with Burma for the repatriation of refugees, under which most Rohingya returned.

1982: A new immigration law redefined people who migrated during British rule as illegal immigrants. The government applied this to all Rohingya.

1989: The army changed the name of Burma to Myanmar.

1991: More than 250,000 Rohingya refugees fled what they said was forced labor, rape and religious persecution at the hands of the Myanmar army. The army said it was trying to bring order to Rakhine.

1992 to 1997: Around 230,000 Rohingya returned to Arakan, now known as Rakhine, under another repatriation agreement.

2012: Rioting between Rohingya and Rakhine Buddhists killed more than 100 people, mostly Rohingya. Tens of thousands of people were driven into Bangladesh. Nearly 150,000 were forced into camps in Rakhine.

2016: Rohingya militant group Harakah al-Yaqin attacked border guard posts, killing nine soldiers. The army retaliated. More than 25,000 people fled Rakhine to Bangladesh, bringing accounts of killing, rape and arson. Aung San Suu Kyi’s government denied the atrocities.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby IndraD » 30 Sep 2017 02:53

grouse of Buddhists in Burma against Rohingyas seem to arise from following
- British recruited Rohingya Muslims in army for WW II but not Buddhists
- Rohingyas wanted Rakhine to be merged with East head of Pakistan and helped British regarding this

In the 1830s there was a massive influx of Muslim peasants from neigbouring Bengal, mostly to work in the agriculture sector," said Sophie Boisseau du Rocher, Southeast Asia expert at the French Institute for International Relations.

By 1912, more than 30 percent of the population of Arakan state were Muslim, up from five percent in 1869, according to British census data cited by historian Jacques Leider.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... aign=cppst

as Ramana sir commented some where Rohingyas are illegal Bangladeshis whom BD doesn;t want.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby ramana » 30 Sep 2017 03:30

The current crisis is the creation of ARSA led by a Pakistan born and Saudi Arabia raised leader Attaullah.

If you note above chronology there were many migrations to Bangladesh and repatriation agreements.

I think now repatriation is not feasible and Bangladesh has to accept its people who were settled by the British in Arakan to destablize Burma.


Pakistan claims on BBC that they have 500K Rohingjyas!

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Dipanker » 30 Sep 2017 22:35

Paki seem to be exaggerating the Rohingyas numbers. Per a article in Dawn there are about 55,000 Rohingyas living in a place called Burmi colony in Karachi. Apparently these people have been living there for decades without any legal status and thus are not entitled to govt. jobs, college admissions etc.
Also watched a Paki program on a Paki TV program portal in which Paki participants themselves were alluding to link between ARSA and Paki terrorists groups. From that it is easy to infer that Paki ISI is most likely involved too. That may explain the genocide of over hundred Hindu Rohingyas in Rakhine. Rohingya hindus blamed the terrorists, so likely a Paki/ISI/ footprint there. If Paki/ISI instigated this massacre of hindus then RAW needs to employ resources to identify and exterminate the the perpetrators, a message needs to be sent.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Supratik » 30 Sep 2017 23:37

Rohingya numbers in Pak have been consistently reported to be 2 lakh plus.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby chetak » 02 Oct 2017 18:25

some rohingiyas have reportedly converted to xtianity to pre empt deportation.

https://www.scoopwhoop.com/amid-fear-of-deportation-some-rohingya-muslims-in-delhi-turn-christians/#.bof240heg

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Gyan » 02 Oct 2017 18:43

No-one turning Hindu, says a lot about discrimination of Hindus in India

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby chetak » 02 Oct 2017 18:46

Gyan wrote:No-one turning Hindu, says a lot about discrimination of Hindus in India


per Indian law/constitution, all advantage lies with the minorities.

Why would anyone forgo such economic advantages??

protection is also assured via the screeching press

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Sachin » 03 Oct 2017 12:00

The Supreme Court is hearing the plea by the Rohingyas today. When is the verdict to be coming out? From what I heard on the morning news, the government stance is clear. Kicking out the Illegally immigrated Rohingyas is a policy matter of the government and the SC should not intervene.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Karthik S » 03 Oct 2017 12:03

chetak wrote:
Gyan wrote:No-one turning Hindu, says a lot about discrimination of Hindus in India


per Indian law/constitution, all advantage lies with the minorities.

Why would anyone forgo such economic advantages??

protection is also assured via the screeching press


The govt. has made it clear from day 1. It's not about them being muslims, or xtians. It's about illegal immigration. Their conversion will not change their legal status here.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Sachin » 03 Oct 2017 21:34

Can India protect Rohingya women and children, SC asks govt
“I, for one, believe, from my past experience of 40 years, that when a petition like this comes to us under Article 32 of the Constitution, the court should be very slow in abdicating its jurisdiction,” Chief Justice of India Dipak Misra, who leads the three-judge Bench, said.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Supratik » 03 Oct 2017 21:59

The govt should tell the court that it will protect the Rohingyas but within Myanmar. It will work with Myanmar to find an amicable settlement for Rohingyas within Maynmar. If necessary it will give aid. But it cannot support illegal immigration.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby negi » 03 Oct 2017 22:41

Guys remember baba Khurshid himself has long tentacles into the judiciary (he himself is a senior advocate) so if his NGO had any role in getting Rohingyas inside then what the CJI is saying adds up ;basically sab mile hue hain.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby SSridhar » 05 Oct 2017 06:31

The Rohingyas pose a regional challenge - G.Parthasarathy, Business Line
‘Rohingya’ has become a household word in India, after Minister of State for Home Affairs Kiren Rijiju proclaimed on September 5 that the Rohingyas are “illegal immigrants... who stand to be deported”. The outrage that accompanied the plight of the Rohingyas was not only seen in sections of people in India, but also across the western and Islamic world.

India has stood its ground, maintaining that recent events were triggered by attacks across the Bangladesh-Myanmar border by radical Islamic groups. But a number of questions remain on how we are going to deal with an estimated 45,000 Rohingya refugees from Myanmar who have entered India since 2012. Moreover, the massacre of Hindu Rohingyas by Islamic Rohingya terrorists has further polarised Indian public opinion.

Who are they?

The Rohingyas maintain they are an indigenous community of western Myanmar, bordering Bangladesh. They largely migrated from what is now Bangladesh during British colonial rule. They are predominantly Muslim, with an estimated Muslim population of 1.2-1.3 million resident in the north of Myanmar’s Rakhine province, bordering Bangladesh. The southern part of Rakhine province bordering Mizoram is predominantly Buddhist, with a Hindu minority. Ever since independence and more so after the Ne Win dictatorship, Rohingyas have not been considered Myanmarese citizens. They have been subject to discrimination on issues of health, education and employment. The animosity of the army, which dominates national life in Myanmar, towards the Rohingyas, has increased ever since sections of Rohingyas formed armed groups to wage an ill-advised struggle, after indoctrination in Pakistan.

Myanmar’s army has continuously battled 22 ethnic insurgencies in the country on its borders with China and Thailand. But seldom, if ever, has the army undertaken the sort of scorched earth policy it has adopted against the Rohingya Muslims. And never has the Buddhist clergy reacted so strongly, as in what transpired in Rakhine, after recent coordinated cross-border attacks on police posts and the army by the Rohingya Solidarity Army. Myanmar has legitimate concerns about the radicalisation of its Muslim population in Rakhine.

The army’s actions resulted in over 4,00,000 Rohingya men, women and children fleeing to Bangladesh. India now houses an estimated 45,000 refugees. While India initially focussed largely on Rohingya terrorist attacks in Myanmar, it has now realised the extent of burden, damage and difficulties imposed on the friendly government of Sheikh Hasina Wajed by the huge inflow. While New Delhi has commenced airlifting relief supplies to Bangladesh, India should join Bangladesh and Myanmar bilaterally and even through tripartite meetings, for a coordinated effort to obtain international financial and diplomatic support to facilitate an early and time-bound process of repatriation of the refugees, with their safety guaranteed upon returning home.

Making India relevant

India-Myanmar relations have been looking up in recent years, even though much improvement is needed to implement Indian-aided projects there if we are to make any impression of our relevance in the face of some aggressive Chinese involvement. Myanmar has a crucial role in supplementing our efforts to deal with insurgencies backed by Pakistan and China, in our landlocked Northeastern States, notably Manipur and Nagaland.

India is currently building the Kaladan Corridor linking the North-East across Rakhine state, with the Bay of Bengal, through the deep-water Sittwe port in Myanmar. New Delhi has just completed construction of the port. India has also pledged resources for the development of Rakhine province in an effort that will be helpful in addressing Rohingya grievances. These are crucial projects strategically, as they are located alongside a massive Chinese transportation/energy corridor, linking China’s Yunnan province with Myanmar’s Bay of Bengal port of Kyaukpyu.

As global television networks and UN relief organisations focussed on the miseries of Rohingya refugees in Bangladesh, the Rohingya issue took centre-stage globally. The UN secretary-general bluntly labelled the Myanmar government’s actions “ethnic cleansing”. India has made it clear that Islamist terror groups triggered the present violence in Myanmar. China, while expressing support for Myanmar’s moves, was more nuanced in the Security Council. While backing Myanmar’s moves to protect its security, China also backed a Security Council resolution expressing concern at reports of Myanmar resorting to excessive violence and calling on it to take corrective action. Russia, while welcoming some steps taken by Myanmar, also took note of reports of violence. Not surprisingly, it was Myanmar’s former colonial rulers, the British, who took the lead in condemning Aung San Suu Kyi. Whitehall was quite obviously taken aback by Suu Kyi placing her country’s interests first, and not behaving, as it expected, like a pet poodle. American policy as enunciated by Secretary of State Rex Tillerson was mercifully more balanced and rational.

In these circumstances, it is time New Delhi developed a more comprehensive approach to the crisis to enable the safe return of Rohingya refugees from both Bangladesh and India. External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj assured Sheikh Hasina on September 15 of India’s support, even as Myanmar military actions have led to a continuing influx of refugees. At the same time, it is essential that India, Myanmar and Bangladesh join hands to see that radical Islamic groups are prevented from infiltrating Rakhine state through Bangladesh.

It would also be useful if India joined hands with donors like Japan, Germany and the US to ensure coordinated flow of economic assistance to ensure that Rohingyas receive better education, health and other facilities when they return home. We have to bear in mind that it would only be natural if diplomatic efforts to stabilise our Northeastern borders with Myanmar and Bangladesh were undertaken with the cooperation of powers that share our interests. Most importantly, India, Myanmar and Bangladesh share a common interest in combating radical Islamic groups, whose primary aim is to destabilise all three.

Imaginative solution

One of the success stories of Indian diplomacy has been that we have been able to isolate an obdurate and obstructive Pakistan through imaginative regional initiatives across our eastern land and maritime frontiers through organisations such as Bimstec. Addressing the Rohingya crisis imaginatively and successfully will give a boost to our ‘Act East’ policies. Even as Saarc languishes, Bimstec should remain the focus of India’s efforts for regional economic integration,

The writer is a former High Commissioner to Pakistan

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby arun » 05 Oct 2017 10:15

Excerpt from our Ministry of External Affairs press briefing of Sept 29 dealing with the massacre of Hindu’s by Bangladesh origin Mohammadden illegal migrants long squatting in Myanmar’s Rakhine province:

Question: According to the Myanmar Army a lot of Hindu graves have been found. First, are you in touch with Myanmar’s government over this issue and second, on 3rd October I believe there is a diplomatic community is going to visit the location, is India also going to be a part of that?

Official Spokesperson, Shri Raveesh Kumar: We have seen the press reports about these graves, we have also looked at the statements which were issued by the State Councilor’s office. I can say that we condemn terrorism in all forms. We emphasize that there is no justification to any act of terrorism whatsoever which targets civilians in this conflict. WE do hope that the authorities will be able to bring to justice the perpetrators of the crime. WE hope that the families of the victims will be extended all possible assistance so as to instill a sense of security and return of normalcy.

I am aware that the government of Myanmar have extended an invitation to the diplomatic core to visit the effected region. I am aware of the some of the media personalities from India being part of that. I am not sure about the participation from our side and at what level, whether our mission is participating or not but I can get back to you.


Question: Mera sawaal bhi Myanmar se hi judaa huaa hai. Rohingya aatankiyon ke chalte jo Hindu maare gaye hain Myanmar mein wo tasveerein abhi Zee News ne dikhaayin aur hamaare reporter bhi wahaan par gaye hain. Myanmar Sarkar ne jaisaa kahaa hai ki Rohingya aatankiyon ne hatyaa kii hai to kyaa Videsh Mantraalay ke paas iski official taur par Myanmar ne jaankaari di hai ki un Hinduon ko kinhone maaraa aur jo wahaan par abhi bhi peedit hain, kya Videsh Mantraalay unko koi madad Myanmar bhej rahaa hai kyonki Bangladesh ko to aapane madad bheji Rohingya ke liye?

Official Spokesperson, Shri Raveesh Kumar: Dekhiye, jaisa maine kahaa ki iske baare mein hamaare paas press vigyapti aayi thii State Councilor ke office se. Iska matlab ye hai ki jo wo bol rahe hain unke hisaab se ye saare jitne bhi mass graves mile hain aur usmein jinka shav milaa hai wo saare Hindu they. Maine jo aapko abhi iske pehle bataayaa ki hamara aur Myanmar ka jo relation hai usmein hamne ye kahaa hai ki kisi bhi yuddh mein aur kisi bhi situation mein agar innocent civilians ki jaan jaati hai, unko displace honaa padtaaa hai to ye bahut dukhad hai, ye bahut khedjanak hai aur ye humne unko appropriate level par ye bataayaa hai.

Jaisa maine kahaa ki jo displace hokar aa rahe hain aur jaisa maine abhi aapko kahaa ki hum ummeed karte hain ki jo log maare gaye hain unki families ko poori sahaayta aur poora muaawaja jo bhi hota hai, wo diya jaayega.


Transcript (uncorrected) of Weekly Media Briefing by Official Spokesperson (September 29, 2017)

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Philip » 05 Oct 2017 16:07

Hypocritical British royalty,Charles and Camilla cancelling their planned ASian tour avoiding Burma and Oxford-Poxford removing the freedom of the univ. given earlier to Suu. What hypocrites.The atrocities that the British perpetrated all over the world during the colonial era make the current Ro atrocities like a grain of sand on the beach.


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