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The Rohingya Menace

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby periaswamy » 12 Sep 2017 11:19

When the Pakis are targeting the Myanmar govt., joining the pakis and further screwing the Myanmar govt. is the worst possible course of action for India. India can work with BD and Myanmar govt. to resolve this -- after all, if India can resolve issues in its own neighbourhood, then it can hardly hope to make a dent in the problems of the wider world.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Karthik S » 12 Sep 2017 11:21

So many countries are making noise on our deportation plans, we can offer to ship RMs to their respective countries.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby chetak » 12 Sep 2017 11:24

Karthik S wrote:So many countries are making noise on our deportation plans, we can offer to ship RMs to their respective countries.


Isn't the head of UN human rights chair is with the saudis??

what if this were a plot to flood India with this dregs that no one else wants??

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby negi » 12 Sep 2017 11:24

You are mixing up issues here . NE's lack of development was our failure to claim that our relations with Myanmar are a major contributing factor reminds me of 'birbal's kichdi' story.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby periaswamy » 12 Sep 2017 11:26

So many countries are making noise on our deportation plans, we can offer to ship RMs to their respective countries.


All the islamic despots in the middle east want to push these Rohingyas to other non muslim countries, after which they can seed their jihad factories among the RMs. The Al-Jazeera graphic deliberately falsely states the number of RM refugees they have accepted (in 100,000s range) -- utter lies so that their stooge in the UN "hooman rights" council can go around pretending India is beholden to UN treaties on refugees even if it is not a signatory of that treaty. Effing evil scum, all these middle-east dictators and despots.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby periaswamy » 12 Sep 2017 11:29

NE's lack of development was our failure to claim that our relations with Myanmar are a major contributing factor reminds me of 'birbal's kichdi' story.


I don't what this birbal story is, but trade and commerce to the North East can be more voluminous via sea than via land -- this is just a hard fact. A solid relationship with Myanmar is essential to secure the North East -- if you think that is not the case, you need to go back and read about the state of affairs when Myanmar was not an ally. Your kind of sentiment is exactly why India got into trouble in the past, and I am glad the Indian govt. has officially and explicitly disavowed using Myanmar's internal politics to influence Indo-Myanmar relations.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby negi » 12 Sep 2017 11:31

Karthik S wrote:So many countries are making noise on our deportation plans, we can offer to ship RMs to their respective countries.

You know it I know it it won't happen , I will tell you why because other developed countries do not view these things sentimentally like we all are . USA under Obama only agreed to take 13k Rohingyas that too after screening; everyone can pay lip service to Rohingya plight because they are far away from the ground zero we however have no such luxury .

That is why I detest all such chai-biskoot talk , the objective is of prime importance here and the path of least resistance is to contain them within Myanmar which cannot happen unless pressure is exerted on Myanmar to accommodate them , all you guys are saying is Rohingyas are a threat but we need to also support Myanmar government which actually means we will be doing what we always do i.e. wait for $hit to hit the fan and then 'REACT' .

Logically as well we can deport Rohingyas to Myanmar only after they have been recognized as residents of Myanmar by their government so I don't see any practical options aside from Myanmar accommodating the Rohingyas .
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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Karthik S » 12 Sep 2017 11:31

chetak wrote:
Karthik S wrote:So many countries are making noise on our deportation plans, we can offer to ship RMs to their respective countries.


Isn't the head of UN human rights chair is with the saudis??

what if this were a plot to flood India with this dregs that no one else wants??


No surprise even if that's the case. That shouldn't worry us though, got to admire Suu Kyi, not giving a damn to anyone.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Karthik S » 12 Sep 2017 11:37

negi wrote:
Karthik S wrote:So many countries are making noise on our deportation plans, we can offer to ship RMs to their respective countries.

You know it I know it it won't happen , I will tell you why because other developed countries do not view these things sentimentally like we all are . USA under Obama only agreed to take 13k Rohingyas that too after screening; everyone can pay lip service to Rohingya plight because they are far away from the ground zero we however have no such luxury .

That is why I detest all such chai-biskoot talk , the objective is of prime importance here and the path of least resistance is to contain them within Myanmar which cannot happen unless pressure is exerted on Myanmar to accommodate them , all you guys are saying is Rohingyas are a threat but we need to also support Myanmar government which actually means we will be doing what we always do i.e. wait for $hit to hit the fan and then 'REACT' .



Negi ji, I know it won't happen, but it will shut up those people, we can always say we offered to ship RMs to their countries on our expense but they declined. BD is not willing to take them in. I don't know how you are saying these RMs will again move into BD and then into India. They have entered India because their movement was felicitated as we all know and not because of porous Indo BD border.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby chetak » 12 Sep 2017 11:38

Karthik S wrote:
chetak wrote:
Isn't the head of UN human rights chair is with the saudis??

what if this were a plot to flood India with this dregs that no one else wants??


No surprise even if that's the case. That shouldn't worry us though, got to admire Suu Kyi, not giving a damn to anyone.


the beedis will let them thru and mamta bano will welcome them. This is the worry. Large areas of the border are still unfenced and sparsely patrolled

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby periaswamy » 12 Sep 2017 11:42

The Congress traitors settled the Rohingyas in Jammu, of all places, they could not have picked a more troubled spot to change the demography against India's favour. We can trust this government to not repeat the Congress's treachery.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby chetak » 12 Sep 2017 11:45

periaswamy wrote:The Congress traitors settled the Rohingyas in Jammu, of all places, they could not have picked a more troubled spot to change the demography against India's favour. We can trust this government to not repeat the Congress's treachery.


there are three major points of entry. nepal, WB via beedi and TN via lanka

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Philip » 12 Sep 2017 13:20

This is a very tricky issue which is an internal affair of Burma/Myanmar that has spilled over into BDesh and to a lesser extent into India.As in "71,we had 10M refugees from E.Pak inside India which is why Mrs. G reluctantly planned for war and the creation of bDesh dismembering Pak in the process.India's greatetst achievement post-Independence,something that even the West has been unable to do in Afghanistan,Iraq,etc.,where they are still fighting in futility!

Ethnic minorities exist in several Asian/ASEAN nations.
Take the Moros in the Philippines,Free Aceh in Indonesia,Mara Patani (Islamic) in S.Thailand,ex-Khmers in Cambodia, etc. Here's a good book on the subject for those who want to do further research.
International Relations in Southeast Asia: The Struggle for Autonomy
By Donald E. Weatherbee


Religion particularly Islam is one reason,the other ideology,like our Naxals,less evident today than Islamist rebels.
Nevertheless,the Burmese govt./army in the past were very "heavy" against any kind of ethnic/rebel behaviour and punished them mercilessly. Suu Kyi,Nobel peace Prize winner is now caught up in this humanitarian tragedy,where she is exposed as leading a govt. that has used mil force to commit the equiv. of "ethnic cleansing"Yes,there were some attacks (described as terror) against the armed forces,but this has been part of a cycle which has been going on for years.Expecting BDesh to take in lakhs of refugees and from all evidence they're mostly villagers crossing over with livestock,whatever they could salvage is a depressing situ.which has to be reversed.

India after BD intervened,modified its stance on the issue.While it is correct-as we adopted in the SL conflict,that all refugees must eventually go home,Burma/Myanmar is under the cosh right now becos of the enormous support that was given to Suu Kyi when she was incarcerated for decades by the military junta,which helped restore democracy in the country to a great degree. The onus is now on the Myanmarese govt. to accommodate the Rohingyas (who are Burmese) in a political settlement.agreement,creating conditions whereby they can return.Otherwise,we'll see a new Islamic terror campaign conducted against the junta/govt.,this time orchestrated from the outside where they will have little ability to control events.It is being blinkered and myopic to simply view the Rohingya issue as one where "Muslims" are involved.The issue is far more complex.Please remember how Indians s were chased out of Burma in '62.Malaysia too adopted its "Bhumiputra" policy discriminating against minorities.

Wiki:
Burmese Indians are a group of people of Indian origin who live in Burma. While Indians have lived in Burma for many centuries, most of the ancestors of the current Burmese Indian community emigrated to Burma from the start of British rule in the mid-19th century to the separation of British Burma from British India in 1937. During British times, ethnic Indians formed the backbone of the government and economy serving as soldiers, civil servants, merchants and moneylenders. A series of anti-Indian riots beginning in 1930 and mass emigration during the Japanese occupation of Burma followed by the forced expulsion of 1962 left ethnic Indians with a much reduced role in Burma.


The Second World War and after[edit]
At the start of World War II, almost half of Rangoon's (Yangon) population was Indian,[6] and about 16% of the population of Burma was ethnically Indian.[10] As a consequence of the Japanese invasion of 1942, half a million members of the Indian community fled Burma overland into Assam, largely on foot. The refugees suffered terribly and thousands died. Some of the Indian community remained in Burma during the war, others returned after the war, although many never did.[8] After Independence, Burmese law treated a large percentage of the Indian community as 'resident aliens'. Though many had long ties to Burma or were born there, they were not considered citizens under the 1982 Burma citizenship law which restricted citizenship for groups immigrating before 1823.[11]

After he seized power through a military coup in 1962, General Ne Win ordered a large-scale expulsion of Indians. Although many Indians had been living in Burma for generations and had integrated into Burmese society, they became a target for discrimination and oppression by the junta. This, along with a wholesale nationalisation of private ventures in 1964, led to the emigration of over 300,000 ethnic Indians from Burma.[8] Indian-owned businesses as well as Burmese businesses were nationalised due to the so-called "Burmese way to Socialism". Many Indians returned and were and given 175 kyat for their trip to India. This caused a significant deterioration in Indian-Burmese relations and the Indian government arranged ferries and aircraft to lift Burmese of Indian ethnicity out of Burma.[12]


So pl. let's put the latest Rohingya exodus from Burma into its historical context. Pl read the foll: The UN says that the aim of the Burmese govt. is "to expel the entire R population" who are of Indo-Aryan people who have bene living there from the 8th century.It is also not a zero-sum gane where if we support Burma that will help reduce Chinese influence in that country.Our relations with BDesh ,v.good now,are also extremely sensitive where pro-Paki elements are just below the surface ready to wage mischief against India.

The Rohingya people (/ˈroʊɪndʒə/, /ˈroʊhɪndʒə/, /ˈroʊɪŋjə/, or /ˈroʊhɪŋjə/; historically also termed Arakanese Indians[18][19]) are a stateless[20] Indo-Aryan people from Rakhine State, Myanmar. There were an estimated 1 million Rohingya living in Myanmar before the 2016–17 crisis.[21] The majority are Muslim while a minority are Hindu.[22][23][24][25] Described by the United Nations in 2013 as one of the most persecuted minorities in the world,[26][27][28] the Rohingya population are denied citizenship under the 1982 Burmese citizenship law.[29][30][31] According to Human Rights Watch, the law "effectively deny to the Rohingya the possibility of acquiring a nationality. Despite being able to trace Rohingya history to the 8th century, Burmese law does not recognize the ethnic minority as one of the national races".[31] They are also restricted from freedom of movement, state education and civil service jobs.[31][32] The Rohingyas have faced military crackdowns in 1978, 1991–1992,[33] 2012, 2015 and 2016–2017. UN officials and HRW have described Myanmar's persecution of the Rohingya as ethnic cleansing,[34][35] while there have been warnings of an unfolding genocide.[36] Yanghee Lee, the UN special investigator on Myanmar, believes the country wants to expel its entire Rohingya population.[37]


Unless Burma/Myanmar relents,intl. sanctions will become inevitable,another dark age for the country will begin and there will be a vicious tussle for leverage between India and China in assisting the govt. while the human elements of a million+ Rs will fester on in BDesh definitely resulting in an armed conflict between Burmese and BDesh mil forces in the future.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Karthik S » 12 Sep 2017 13:43

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Around 55,000 Rohingya are living in Pakistan, where they have no access to welfare, education or the right to work


Is anyone surprised?

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby vinod » 12 Sep 2017 15:38

This is one of the biggest foreign policy conundrum to hit Modi Govt. The impact of the decisions taken will set a course in whichever direction and have a lasting impact on the region and specifically India's future security and standing.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby arun » 12 Sep 2017 15:41

Mohammadden journalist originating in the Mohammadden Terrorism fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Shamil Shams, writes in Deutsche Welle about the hypocrisy prevalent in Mohammadden majority countries when dealing with the issue of illegal immigrants from Bangladesh who have been forced to flee Myanmar consequent to the terrorist violence unleashed on Non Mohammaddens in Myanmar’s Rakhine province by their ethno-religious compatriots in their name.

Dissapointed that political correctness has induced Non-Mohammadden Kaafirs slipping into Dhimmi mode and prevented them from coming up with more articles like this:

Opinion: The Muslim hypocrisy over Rohingya

The Islamic groups protesting Myanmar's Rohingya killings are shamefully silent over the persecution of minorities in their own countries. We must not let them Islamize the conflict, says DW's Shamil Shams.

Amost all Muslim-majority countries have decried the killings of the minority Rohingya people in Myanmar. From Turkey to Pakistan, leaders of Islamic nations have condemned the ongoing security operation in Myanmar's western Rakhine state that has killed hundreds of Rohingya and forced about 294,000 people to flee the area. The Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is set to issue a statement against Myanmar in Astana, Kazakhstan, on Monday.

At the same time, Islamist groups in Indonesia and Pakistan are holding mass demonstrations against Myanmar's Buddhists, its government and de facto leader Aung San Suu Kyi. The calls for the Nobel Committee in Sweden to rescind Suu Kyi's peace prize are getting louder by the day.

What is happening in the Southeast Asian country is indeed condemnable. But what is equally reprehensible is the Muslim countries' response to the Rohingya plight.

Religious persecution

The track record of Muslim-majority countries over their treatment of religious and sectarian minorities is abysmal. On Sunday, September 10, three Hazara Shiites were killed in Pakistan's northwestern city of Quetta. The minority group has been systematically targeted by Islamists for many years, and the government has never paid heed to their plight.

The discrimination against Hindus, Christians and Ahmadis on the state level has persisted for decades. The Islamic country's blasphemy laws have forced religious minorities to live under constant fear for their lives. The Christian neighborhoods have been torched by the majority Muslims, and members of the Hindu community could be lynched for "insulting" Islam or its prophet, Muhammad.

Religion-based persecutions are on the rise in other Muslim countries also. The rise of political Islam in Indonesia and Malaysia is a threat to the cultural plurality of these countries. It is ironic that hardline Islamic groups in Indonesia, Malaysia and Pakistan are protesting against the Rohingya discrimination in Myanmar.
None of this justifies the fact that the Rohingya remain one of the most persecuted communities in the world. The stateless people have been living in Myanmar for decades, yet the country's government refuses to grant them citizenship. Neighboring Bangladesh, a Muslim country, doesn't accept them either. It is a huge and indescribable human tragedy. But those who are giving a religious color to the Rohingya situation are doing harm to the plight of an oppressed community.

It is not a fight between Buddhism and Islam. The fact is that Western governments, their institutions and rights groups have been raising their voice for Rohingya since the outbreak of violence in Rakhine in 2012. Last month, Kofi Annan, former Secretary General of the United Nations, compiled a fact-finding report on the conflict in Rakhine and pressed on Suu Kyi's government to give equal citizenship rights to Rohingya. International aid agencies are helping the Rohingya more, both inside Myanmar and in Bangladeshi refugee camps, than slogan-raising jihadi groups, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Pakistani Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi.

Sectarian perspective

The hypocrisy of Islamic groups is also evident from their selective criticism of the Muslim plight around the globe. The Muslim allies of Saudi Arabia have been silent over Riyadh's bombing of Yemen, an impoverished Middle Eastern country with a large Shiite population. Thousands of people have been killed in the Yemen war since 2015, yet there hasn't been any criticism of Riyadh by the Pakistani government or the Arab Gulf states. The Syrian and Iraqi conflicts are also interpreted by Muslim nations according to their closeness with either Saudi Arabia or Iran. The human misery, the massacre, and the atrocities committed by militant Islamists are often looked at through a sectarian lens.

The Muslim condemnation of the Rohingya massacre is subjective and biased. It is hollow because it belittles the human suffering by turning it into a religious issue. The conflict in Rakhine has never been about Islam versus Buddhism. It is an economic and political issue that has plagued the region for decades. The jihadi element, however, has been injected into the conflict, and the Rohingya are already paying the price for a militant transformation of their human predicament.

Islamization of the conflict

The Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army, which attacked Myanmar's security forces on August 25, has jihadi links. There are reports that Rohingya militants have links to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Afghanistan also. Since the start of the latest conflict, jihadi groups in Afghanistan and Pakistan have started collecting funds to aid militants in Myanmar. Indonesia's Islamists are also getting increasingly involved in the conflict. Many of these groups have ties with al Qaeda and even the so-called "Islamic State" (IS). The Myanmar government says it is only responding to the jihadi threat. It is partly true but also a justification to suppress the Rohingya even more.

The victims of this Islamization of the Rakhine dispute are the Rohingya people. Instead of resolving the issue through diplomatic means and human rights interventions, Islamic countries have chosen to strengthen the jihadi narrative in Myanmar. This doesn't augur well for the stateless Rohingya, who have already suffered a lot at the hands of Myanmar authorities. The Muslim hypocrisy and the introduction of jihad in Rakhine will only make things worse for them.


From German Government controlled news outfit, Deutsche Welle:

The Muslim hypocrisy over Rohingya

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Singha » 12 Sep 2017 15:49

>>After he seized power through a military coup in 1962, General Ne Win ordered a large-scale expulsion of Indians. Although many Indians had been living in Burma for generations and had integrated into Burmese society, they became a target for discrimination and oppression by the junta. This, along with a wholesale nationalisation of private ventures in 1964, led to the emigration of over 300,000 ethnic Indians from Burma

^^^ our trans national trade and influence networks led by our Tamils (chettiars) in that region over centuries were rolled back and eliminated by this junta which no doubt had chinese weapons and blessings. vestiges survived in penang, singapore, kuala lumper and perhaps sumatra.

another banditji type blunder. we should have opened issue with the junta over this made them back down or else carved out a northern-coastal myanmar homeland for these oppressed citizens of indic descent instead of having them be deported or run back to India

there are multiple BRF members whose ancestors lived and traded in Myanmar for generations. were they not entitled to all rights as citizens?

by meekly accepting these injustices on our own periphery we let China by default become a oversized rat peddling weapons and cover to these semi-failed states.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby arun » 12 Sep 2017 16:09

Yet another Mohammadden journalist originating in the Mohammadden Terrorism fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Aasim Sajjad Akhtar, this time writing in an Op Ed in Dawn about writes sensible stuff about the hypocrisy prevalent in Mohammadden majority countries, this time the Islamic Republic itself, when dealing with the issue of illegal immigrants from Bangladesh who have been forced to flee Myanmar consequent to the terrorist violence unleashed on Non Mohammaddens in Myanmar’s Rakhine province by their ethno-religious compatriots in their name.

Continue to be dissapointed that political correctness has induced Non-Mohammadden Kaafirs slipping into Dhimmi mode and prevented them from coming up with more articles like this:

Muslim ‘solidarity’

Aasim Sajjad Akhtar
Updated September 08, 2017

THE Rohingyas of Myanmar are back on the front pages, their desperate plight confirming that the ‘civilised’ world of the 21st century is still a living hell for what the legendary anti-imperialist Frantz Fanon’s called “the wretched of the earth”. The spectre of hundreds of thousands of Rohingyas fleeing Myanmar into neighbouring Bangla­desh is history repeating itself for the umpteenth time — evicted from their homes time and again, these permanent refugees have no place in a global order centred around exclusionary nation-states.

We Pakistanis have been bred on the notion that Muslims constitute an extra-territorial community of sorts; hence our solidarity with the Rohingyas and lament of their neglect by the rest of the (infidel) world. Our sentiments vis-à-vis other disenfranchised ‘Muslim’ communities are similar — Kashmiris top the list, but Bosnians, Pales­tinians and Chechens are also beneficiaries of our ‘Muslim’ solidarity. Standing with the oppressed is an entirely laudable endeavour. But in picking some instances of suffering and remaining shamefully silent on others, we demonstrate only how much hypocrisy supposedly civilised ‘nations’ are capable of.

The Kurds have been on the receiving end of Turkish and Iraqi state violence, but I can’t think of many Pakistanis whose hearts cry out for them (let alone state functionaries issuing press statements and civil society activists organising protests). West African communities like the Yoruba and Igbo too have been victims of state-sponsored pogroms across the territorial boundaries of Nigeria, Togo and Benin. Most Pakistanis have probably never even heard these names.

Closer to home, the (predominantly Hindu) Tamils of Sri Lanka are amongst the most oppressed minority communities in the world. But Pakistani officialdom’s close ties to the Sri Lankan state means there has always been silence when the latter has undertaken pogroms against Tamil populations. In 2008-9, a series of military operations in the north of Sri Lanka undertaken in the name of crushing the Tamil separatist movement — during which many humanitarian experts alleged war crimes took place — was actively supported by the Pakistani establishment and met with no ‘resistance’ from our ‘civil society’. Bred on standard Pakistani nationalist narratives, we justify silence over all these examples of state terror by serving up the religion card: they aren’t Muslims, so why should we care?

Cue more damning examples. Our ‘higher than the Himalayas, deeper than the deepest ocean’ friendship with China has mandated that we remain completely silent on the treatment of the Uighur ethnic minority that occupies the vast Xinjiang region bordering Pakistan to the north — and, which, even more significantly, China seeks to transform by building CPEC. The Uighur are Muslim, but there isn’t a hue and cry at the manner in which the Chinese state has suppressed their basic freedoms, and is now steadily facilitating the influx of ethnic Han Chinese into Xinjiang to fundamentally transform the region’s social mores.

In theory, a primary reason for Pakistan’s silence vis-à-vis the Uighurs is that there is a right-wing separatist movement raging in Xinjiang, and all ‘civilised’ states in today’s world ostensibly share the same position with regards to ‘terrorism’. But a separatist movement with deep historical roots within the Rohingya people is also active in the Rakhine state of Myanmar, and it is under the guise of defanging the ‘terrorists’ that the state has initiated its latest military incursion. The question, as ever, is why some forms of (armed) resistance to state persecution are considered ‘terrorism’ and others are not? As the example of the Uighur confirms, a certain community’s ‘Muslim’ credentials are not always enough for us to stand up for them.

Which brings me to the final — and most damning — point: what of state persecution within Pakistan? No one can deny the manner in which the state has usurped the freedoms of ethnic communities who have asserted their identity, claimed resources, and demanded a democratic power-sharing arrangement. Even today military ‘solutions’ are employed liberally within Pakistan to address what are clearly long-standing political conflicts. And the truth is that most of the Baloch, Sindhi, Pakhtun and other ethnic communities that demand their rights and are criminalised in exchange are very much Muslim.

So are the Afghans and at least 200 million of the Indians with whom we cultivate perennial enmity. So let us be clear that, rhetoric aside, we do not stand with Muslims everywhere — our expressions of solidarity are opportunistic and contradictory. It would be much better to stand with the ‘wretched of the earth’ everywhere, and stop victimising the most vulnerable ourselves — look no further than the way we treat Christians, Hindus and other ‘non-Muslims’.

Malala Yousafzai went on record to question why Aung San Suu Kyi was silent over the treatment of the Rohingyas. I say people in glass houses should not throw stones.

The writer teaches at Quaid-i-Azam University, Islamabad.

Published in Dawn, September 8th, 2017

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby arun » 12 Sep 2017 16:16

Singha wrote:>>After he seized power through a military coup in 1962, General Ne Win ordered a large-scale expulsion of Indians. Although many Indians had been living in Burma for generations and had integrated into Burmese society, they became a target for discrimination and oppression by the junta. This, along with a wholesale nationalisation of private ventures in 1964, led to the emigration of over 300,000 ethnic Indians from Burma

^^^ our trans national trade and influence networks led by our Tamils (chettiars) in that region over centuries were rolled back and eliminated by this junta which no doubt had chinese weapons and blessings. vestiges survived in penang, singapore, kuala lumper and perhaps sumatra.

another banditji type blunder. we should have opened issue with the junta over this made them back down or else carved out a northern-coastal myanmar homeland for these oppressed citizens of indic descent instead of having them be deported or run back to India

there are multiple BRF members whose ancestors lived and traded in Myanmar for generations. were they not entitled to all rights as citizens?

by meekly accepting these injustices on our own periphery we let China by default become a oversized rat peddling weapons and cover to these semi-failed states.


:roll: What Myanmar dished out to Indians, and here note it was expropriation without compensation, Indonesia dished out significantly more bloodily to Chinese around the same time frame. China equally meekly accepted it and then the PRC poured money back into Indonesia to emerge as one of the largest investors.

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The Rohingya Menace

Postby Peregrine » 12 Sep 2017 17:58

An old Article but rather enlightening as Jinn ah refused to accept the Rohingya Muslims who sought the incorporation of the Mayu region in West Burma into East Pakistan!

Pakistan and the Rohingyas - Kunwar Khuldune Shahid

Pakistan’s decision to grant $5 million worth of food for distribution in Rohingya camps in Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand, smacks of blatant hypocrisy and vile opportunism. For a state whose paradoxical creation played its part in the alienation of the very community it seeks to use for populist stunts, the government, and opinion makers, seem to be hell bent on ignoring the country's past and the present. This helps them shamelessly use the Rohingya Muslims – victims of barefaced ethnic cleansing – to sketch out a “world against us” picture that fuels Islamo-fascist jingoism that beefs up vote banks and TV ratings.

A state that is overseeing ethnic cleansing in its largest province in the name of a military operation, acquiescing to genocide against a Muslim sect by forming political alliances with the perpetrators and sanctioning the apartheid against another sect through the Constitution, has no grounds to play the saviour card when another community is being persecuted thousands of kilometres away. What further magnifies the sardonic façade is the state’s obliviousness to its own historic contribution to the plight of the community it is ostensibly clamouring to safeguard as a part of an obnoxious photo op.

When the Muslims of the ‘Muslim majority’ regions of the Indian subcontinent were instigating a separatist movement for the creation of a ‘Muslim homeland’ in the 1940s, the Rohingya Muslims had organised a separatist movement of their own. With the Treaty of Versailles in 1919 acknowledging the right to self-determination for every community around the globe, and new borders being carved out in Western colonies post World War II, the Rohingya Muslims had the political right to seek independence or merger with any other state on common national or ideological grounds. Hence, Rohingya Muslims sought the incorporation of the Mayu region in West Burma into East Pakistan.

Muhammad Ali Jinnah’s refusal to accommodate the Rohingya Muslims in a country ostensibly created as a ‘Muslim homeland’, turned the members of Arakan Muslim League towards jihadism and a radical fight for self-determination – a struggle that continues till this very day. The attitude of the founding fathers of Pakistan towards Rohingya Muslims mirrored their stance towards the Muslims that they were leaving behind in India. Muhammad Ali Jinnah was afraid that the Bengali Muslim would increase even more than without the Rohnigyas thereby increasing the Bengali speaking Majority even further in East Pakistan!

For a movement apparently designed to counter Hindu dominance over Muslims, the Pakistan movement failed to identify its self-contradiction by creating a separate Muslim state in Muslim-majority areas, which in turn further exacerbated the ‘Hindu Raj’ over Muslims that were left back in Hindu-majority areas – who, as it turned out, outnumbered the Muslims in this newly formed state. Clearly the fabricators of the Two Nation Theory didn’t consider the Muslims of the Hindu-majority provinces and probably hadn’t even heard of Rohingya Muslims.

Had All India Muslim League championed the case of its Arakan counterpart, the political struggle for a Muslim homeland in Burma would not have metamorphosed into militant radicalism. That metamorphosis of the late 1940s and 1950s created a stereotype for Rohingya Muslims as “terrorists”, despite the fact that they were as much freedom fighters as any other post-World War II nation. Furthermore, while radicalism had penetrated the community half a century ago, the ‘Rohingya mujahideen’ are now a fringe minority in west Myanmar.

After paying no heed to a Muslim separatist movement in Arakan in 1947, Pakistan’s next contribution towards exacerbating the plight of the Rohingyas was through Operation Searchlight that led to genocide and genocidal rape in East Pakistan to quell Bengali self-determination. This led to a mass migration from East Pakistan into Burma, allowing the Rakhine monks to use the pretext of “demographical change” to force the Burmese government into mass Muslim expulsion. After a decade of hunger strikes and radical Budhist propaganda, Burma stripped the Rohingyas of citizenship in 1982.

With Pakistan no way near acknowledging the Bangladeshi genocide, and federal ministers like Ch Nisar grieving over the execution of 1971 war criminals like Abdul Qadir Mulla, one doesn’t expect the state to realise its historical contribution to the Rohingya persecution. What one can, however, hope for is the realisation to creep into the mainstream, that there are few global acts of condemnation more duplicitous than Pakistan’s denunciation of human rights abuse in Palestine or Myanmar.

From the 1948 annexation of Balochistan, to the 1974 Second Amendment to excommunicate the Ahmadiya community, Pakistan’s role in occupying regions and fuelling bigotry against communities is second to none. The government would do well to focus its energy on its own alienated communities before floating shallow promises across proverbial seas in support of other estranged people.

In fact, if the government of Pakistan is so concerned about the tragic state of the Rohingya Muslims, maybe it should start with facilitating its own Rohingya population in Karachi, some of whom fled Pakistan’s own military abuses in Bangladesh to seek refuge wherever it could be found.

Despite having lived in Pakistan for decades, after radical Buddhists began their anti-Muslim movement in Burma, the Rohingyas in Pakistan either don’t have an identity card or are registered as ‘Bengalis’. Ironically, this is precisely what the Myanmar government is doing to the Rohingyas: forcing them to register as Bengalis - hence coercing them into relinquishing their status as inhabitants of Burma since the 15th century - or simply refusing to acknowledge their existence.

Pakistani government has historically been blessed with double-talkers under the guise of politicians. But it is while championing human rights that they trace the nadir of two-facedness.

Kunwar Khuldune Shahid is a member of staff. He can be reached at khuldune.shahid@nation.com.pk.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby SSridhar » 12 Sep 2017 18:09

Peregrine ji, thanks for the timely post.

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Postby Philip » 12 Sep 2017 18:38

The great danger for the entire region is if the Burmese govt. keep on with their ethnic cleansing of the country of the Rs.This is meat and drink to the radical Islamist forces worldwide,led by the Saudis and their Paki vassals.After Sheikh Hasina finally put behind bars the Islamist ISI terror brigade in BDesh and the courts delivered death sentences to those implicated in the '71 genocide,the radicals in Bdesh were on the backfoot.Anti-Indian operatives of the ISI were also given little space within which to operate.However,this R crisis has upset the applecart. A wave of sympathy for the R refugees fleeing the violence in their homeland is bound to take place in BDesh ,fertile soil for the Islamists to regroup under the guise of pro-R movements.One can be sure that the Saudi Wahaabi scum have already landed in BDesh and along with their ISI partners are already planning mischief.

It is very sad that the Burmese have yet again decided upon ethnic cleansing to eliminate genuine needs of their minorities who've lived there for centuries.If you look at the ethnic background of most of the communities who've suffered from Burmese social-engineering,it has been those of Indian background! BRF members have above rightly questioned what previous Indian govts. have done in not taking up these very genuine cases in the past at the UN,etc.For too long we mollycoddled the Burmese junta by ignoring its atrocities in the country and woke up too late after watching the Chinese making deep inroads there affecting our security.

The sad fallout of this crisis is that across the ASEAN world,Islamic states and sates with large Muslim populations like Malaysia,Indonesia,etc., will through radical entities take a pro-active stance in this crisis further stirring the pot and making a solution more difficult. A very big task for the MEA which in general has little imagination.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby chetak » 12 Sep 2017 18:50

mamta's stance on the rohingiyas is bound to bring the center and the state into a head on confrontation and this center is not going to give way.

It will, however, create a very nasty situation countrywide, but helping the BJP much more than helping mamta banoo

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Yagnasri » 12 Sep 2017 18:57

Frankly speaking, let Myanmar destroy these fellows once and for all. No refugees. No other problems. Distasteful thing. True. But what other options are there before us. wherever they go they will wage jihad now.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Karthik S » 12 Sep 2017 19:09

Philip wrote:The great danger for the entire region is if the Burmese govt. keep on with their ethnic cleansing of the country of the Rs.This is meat and drink to the radical Islamist forces worldwide,led by the Saudis and their Paki vassals.After Sheikh Hasina finally put behind bars the Islamist ISI terror brigade in BDesh and the courts delivered death sentences to those implicated in the '71 genocide,the radicals in Bdesh were on the backfoot.Anti-Indian operatives of the ISI were also given little space within which to operate.However,this R crisis has upset the applecart. A wave of sympathy for the R refugees fleeing the violence in their homeland is bound to take place in BDesh ,fertile soil for the Islamists to regroup under the guise of pro-R movements.One can be sure that the Saudi Wahaabi scum have already landed in BDesh and along with their ISI partners are already planning mischief.

It is very sad that the Burmese have yet again decided upon ethnic cleansing to eliminate genuine needs of their minorities who've lived there for centuries.If you look at the ethnic background of most of the communities who've suffered from Burmese social-engineering,it has been those of Indian background! BRF members have above rightly questioned what previous Indian govts. have done in not taking up these very genuine cases in the past at the UN,etc.For too long we mollycoddled the Burmese junta by ignoring its atrocities in the country and woke up too late after watching the Chinese making deep inroads there affecting our security.

The sad fallout of this crisis is that across the ASEAN world,Islamic states and sates with large Muslim populations like Malaysia,Indonesia,etc., will through radical entities take a pro-active stance in this crisis further stirring the pot and making a solution more difficult. A very big task for the MEA which in general has little imagination.


What's with this dhoti shiver? Myanmar is acting in its self interest, period. Sorry if it's not convenient to us, we are just too scared to handle the fallout. You people really think that had Myanmar granted these people citizenship, there wouldn't have been any violence?

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Karthik S » 12 Sep 2017 19:33

At 21 min point, the SC lawyer lambastes Intelligence agencies and present govt to have let the situation worsen this far.

https://swarajyamag.com/podcasts/podcas ... gya-crisis

It's a podcast hence posting the link the site.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby eklavya » 12 Sep 2017 19:36

Ethnic cleansing is wrong, whether it happens to Kashmiri Hindus or Rohingya Muslims. India should tell Burma to immediately stop the persecution of the Rohingyas. Beyond that, our options are very limited, unless the UN is prepared to conduct a military intervention. The Chinese will not lose a second's sleep over the human rights issues; so we are tactically cornered. My instinct is to say to hell with tactical considerations, our civilisational imperative is to oppose ethnic cleansing.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby periaswamy » 12 Sep 2017 19:42

he Chinese will not lose a second's sleep over the human rights issues; so we are tactically cornered. My instinct is to say to hell with tactical considerations, our civilisational imperative is to oppose ethnic cleansing.


I am sorry to say it is this line of cretinous Nehruvian moralizing that results in India losing control of its neighbourhood. Self-preservation of India, i.e., controlling its borders and its internal political stability, has to take precendence over any horse twaddle about "civilizational imperative".

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Philip » 12 Sep 2017 19:46

True.Imagine if it were Indians who were being turfed out of Burma right now as they were decades ago.We would be screaming from the rooftops for air strikes against the Burmese junta !

The ungodly haven';t wasted a minute.Look at how this scumbag now wants to extend his jihad to Burma.past time for a B-52 to drop a planeload of bombsh*t on his head.Great opportunity now to exterminate this malefic,rabid bandicoot.Let the "thudding sounds" heard be those of the stacks of bombs upon his head!

http://www.defencenews.in/article/Jaish ... mar-313756
Jaish-e-Muhammad chief Masood Azhar calls for action in Myanmar
Tuesday, September 12, 2017
By: Indian Express

In an article published this weekend, Jaish-e-Muhammad chief Maulana Masood Azhar called for his followers to prepare for action in Myanmar and warned the country to prepare “for the thudding sound of the footsteps of its conquerors”. :rotfl: “We have to do something, and do it urgently”, read the article, published in the group’s house magazine, al-Qalam. “The entire Muslim ummah [nation] is feeling the pain of the Muslim nation,” Azhar wrote in his regular column in al-Qalam under the pen-name ‘Saadi’. “It is because of the sacrifices of the Myanmar Muslims that the ummah is waking up and we are seeing this new awakening among the Muslims of the world.

“All of us must do whatever we can for the Myanmar Muslims. Just say your prayers, and get up to help them. You don’t need to show off what you are doing: just do it, and never stop.” The article is the first substantial call to action by any leader of a South Asian jihadist group, though rallies and protests have been held in Pakistan by Islamist groups linked to terrorism, notably the Ahl-e-Sunnat wal’Jamaat. It comes amid a growing mass of similar statements from global jihadist groups, sparking regional fears that Myanmar’s crackdown on Rohingya civilians, estimated to have sent over a quarter of a million refugees into neighbouring Bangladesh, could fuel terrorist violence across the region.

Even though the ongoing insurgency in Myanmar’s Rakhine state has shown relatively rudimentary military capacities, with attacks against troops and police sometimes carried out with knives and machetes, Indian intelligence believes Jaish operatives helped provide training to Rohingya jihadists at camps run in Bangladesh’s Chittagong Hill Tracts in 2013-14.

Khalid Mohammad, a member of the Rohingya Solidarity Organisation (RSO), committed to creating an independent Islamic State in Myanmar’s Arakan region, is alleged to have told Delhi Police during questioning that he had trained in explosives fabrication at one such camp in Bangladesh. RSO members Abu Arif and Abu Shafiyah were held by Indonesian authorities in 2013 on charges of plotting to blow up Myanmar’s embassy in Jakarta to avenge atrocities against Rohingyas.

In 2012, the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba also held a conference to highlight the Rohingya issue. Following this, intelligence sources say, Lashkar operatives Shahid Mahmood and Nadeem Awan were sent to Bangladesh and Thailand’s Mae Sot to make contact with Rohingya refugees living along the border with Myanmar.

Published on the eve of the anniversary of 9/11, Azhar’s article assailed media for describing the Buddhist monk Ashin Wirathu as the ‘Osama bin Laden of Myanmar’. Wirathu’s followers are alleged to have worked alongside the Myanmar army to kill Rohingya Muslim civilians and burn down villages in a campaign of ethnic cleansing.

Bin Laden, Azhar wrote, was a “lion who came out to help the helpless” and “challenged global imperialism to its face”. “If Wirathu is really a lion like Bin Laden”, the Jaish chief wrote, “he must come out of Myanmar, to an Islamic country. Muslim will beat him to a pulp”. “Had whatever Ashin Wirathu and his supporters are doing been done by a Muslim country to its non-Muslim minorities, there would have been an uproar”, Azhar’s article states. “The United Nations Security Council would have passed a resolution against it, there would have been economic sanctions against Muslims and finally, their country would have been bombarded by western forces”.

The growing importance of the Myanmar crisis in the global jihadist movement was illustrated by a statement released by the Harkat al-Shabab, al-Qaeda’s affiliate in eastern Africa, warning Muslims “especially in Bangladesh, Malaysia, Pakistan, India and Indonesia: know that the tragedy of the Rohingya today will be your tragedy tomorrow if you let them down and be silent”.

Myanmar’s Muslims, the statement said, had been lulled by international “responses of condemnation and warning”, failing to “mobilise an inch, so as to protect themselves from their enemies”. The statement also appealed to al-Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent “that they gather themselves and attack the evil Buddhists, and make of their targetting a lesson for all those who would learn and all those who would dare to hurt the Muslims”.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby vinod » 12 Sep 2017 19:52

Take a step back and think.. India definitely doesn't want more Jihadis. So, its better to keep them in Mynmar, if that is not possible, contain them in BD.

We want Mynmar on our side, so we do the "talk".. and nothing more.

Now, if there are more Jihadis in BD, so be it. It is like adding another snake to a garden filled with thousands of snakes. May be they will fight each other.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Philip » 12 Sep 2017 20:01

Another viewpoint,but one that thinks that Chinese intervention may save the day if only for it to save China's OBOR ambitions! This viwpoint even has western "Christian": mischief-makers who may wish to enter into the conflict and stir the pot.

https://sputniknews.com/columnists/2017 ... -violence/
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Crisis: Reality, Rumors and Ramifications
COLUMNISTS
20:20 05.09.2017
Andrew Korybko
Topic: Rohingya Crisis in Myanmar (19)

The world, and especially the Ummah, is incensed at what is being portrayed as genocide against Muslims in Myanmar, but the reality of what's happening there is a lot more complex than the simplistic rumors lead one to believe, and the geopolitical ramifications of this crisis could become very far-reaching.
Right off the bat, killing innocent people is wrong, and everyone is justified for feeling outraged when they believe this is happening, as it plainly is in some cases in Myanmar's coastal Rakhine State. The question, though, comes down to identifying who's doing the killing and why, and whether the victims were intentionally targeted or "collateral damage," be it from a military "anti-terrorist" operation or a "rebel" one against the government. It's also important to ponder what the geopolitical ramifications of all of this could be in terms of the larger dynamics at play in the New Cold War.

Rakhine Review
All You Need to Know About the Rohingya Crisis in Myanmar

To oversimplify the situation for brevity's sake, the Rohingya are Muslims who live in the northern part of Rakhine State and claim to be native to the region, though the Myanmarese government says that they're just Bengali migrants and their descendants who began moving into the area after the late-19th-century imposition of British colonial rule. The other main demographic group in this territory is the Rakhine people, who are Buddhists that inherited the legacy of the long-standing Kingdom of Mrauk U.
The immediate post-independence period in Myanmar, called Burma until 1989, saw the many ethno-religious minorities of the country's resource-rich periphery rebel against the central authorities in favor of federalization or, as the Rohingyas wanted, unification with the neighboring state that they more closely identified with (East Pakistan, but Bangladesh since 1971), thereby setting off the world's longest-running and still-unresolved civil war.

Pertaining to Rakhine State, this conflict has ebbed and flowed throughout the decades, most recently climaxing in 2012, 2015 and just recently this summer, with the latest three escalations seeing reprisal violence by some of the hyper-nationalist Buddhist majority against the minority Muslim population. In response, the more impoverished Rohingya, who don't have citizenship rights because most of them don't qualify for such under the country's pertinent laws, had little to leave behind in Rakhine State and would flee en mass to Bangladesh for safety.

It's worthwhile here to point out that the Myanmarese military, known as the Tatmadaw, claims that its operations in their locales are triggered by the deadly attacks that Rohingya rebels — seen as terrorists by Naypyidaw and accused of having links to al-Qaeda and other such notorious groups — carried out against them and Buddhist villagers. The fog of war is such that civilians are obviously getting killed as a result, but it's unclear whether this constitutes genocide, or who's actually behind it all.

A "South Asian Kosovo"

It's impossible to tell at this moment exactly what's going on in Rakhine State and part of the reason is because of the heavy information war against Myanmar right now and Naypyidaw's refusal to let independent journalists into the region out of what it says are security concerns, but the general dynamics at play right now are oddly reminiscent of the run-up to NATO's 1999 War on Yugoslavia in carving the West's protectorate of Kosovo out of what is now Serbia.

Back then, the world suddenly became aware of a newly popularized sub-identity of Muslims called "Kosovars," just as they're now becoming quickly acquainted with the "Rohingyas," and they too claimed that their rights were being violated and that this therefore justified them committing acts of violence against the state and sometimes even civilians.

What's Really Behind the Rohingya Crisis in Myanmar
Another common thread is how much-publicized mainstream media images and stories, many of which were later proven to be fake or totally decontextualized, served to inspire the global Muslim community (Ummah) to rise up in rage and send volunteer fighters to help their co-confessionals, as is the traditional duty of this religion when they believe one of their own is being persecuted.
The problem, however, is that the situation is never as black and white as it's made out to be by the mainstream media, as anyone following the war on Syria for the past six and a half years knows by now, especially when it comes to the never-ending accusations that President Assad is also carrying out a "genocide" against Muslims like Milosevic before him and now the Tatmadaw apparently too. The intrinsic human urge for people to get upset by what they believe to be the senseless and deliberate killing of an entire identity group is often abused by "perception managers" to gin up support for their patrons' upcoming wars, and this is especially so when Muslim victims are involved.

Unfortunately, these sorts of situations have a track record of attracting international terrorists and leading to the explosion of domestic ones, like what happened with the "Kosovo Liberation Army" and its al-Qaeda backers in Yugoslavia; the "moderate rebels," al-Qaeda and eventually Daesh in Syria; and now the "Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army" and what increasingly looks to be Daesh's next Asian hot spot in Myanmar.

Correspondingly, each conflict was linked to either capturing the whole country or partitioning off a strategic corner of it, with post-conflict Kosovo hosting the US's gigantic Camp Bondsteel; all of Syria at one time being planned to become the US's pivot of control over the entire Levant; and a future "South Asian Kosovo" of "Rohingyaland" giving its patron powerful influence over the two oil and gas pipelines from coastal Kyaukphyu to China's Kunming and accordingly dominating this envisioned New Silk Road hub.

Yugoslavia 2.0

The point here isn't to whitewash what might eventually turn out to be proven is the Tatmadaw's excessive and disproportionate counterinsurgency operations against civilians, but to draw attention to how the overall conflict momentum is being guided in the direction of an externally provoked identity-centric hybrid war through a coordinated and one-sided information campaign. This is aimed most immediately at demonizing the Myanmarese state while deflecting attention away from the attacks of Rohingya "rebels," which contributed to the rapidly deteriorating military and humanitarian situation.

Russia, Egypt Oppose Myanmar Violence, Call for Control Over Situation - Putin
The medium-term purpose behind provoking such targeted global outrage is to inspire countless Muslim "volunteers" (some of whom will undoubtedly be actual terrorists) to flood into Rakhine State and then set the stage for a multilateral "humanitarian intervention" following the Kosovo model or an anti-terrorist campaign like what the US-led coalition experimented with in Syria in order to ultimately gain control of a territory indispensable to China's One Belt One Road global vision of New Silk Road connectivity.
Furthermore, remembering how none of this is taking place in a vacuum and that the country is still engulfed in a multi-sided civil war all along its periphery, it's possible that the ongoing federalization talks could give way to the all-out "Balkanization" of the former Burma along the lines of what happened to the former Yugoslavia. The end result of this tragedy would be the birth of a host of new states through their own bloody baptisms of fire, which would allow hostile foreign powers to more easily control this strategic space at the juncture of South, Southeast and East Asia.

Moreover, another fault line would instantly emerge in the so-called "Clash of Civilizations" (itself nothing more than a blueprint for dividing and ruling the Eastern Hemisphere through identity-centric Hybrid War) between not only Muslims and Buddhists in Rakhine State, but possibly even eventually the Buddhists and Christians in the central part of Myanmar and its Northern-Eastern peripheries respectively. In addition, one could expect Buddhist and Christian "volunteers" from abroad to flood into the battlefield too, potentially catalyzing what might go on to one day become their religions' own form of Daesh.

Other than the geopolitical removal of Myanmar from the world map and the untold suffering of its over 50 million people, the other victim would of course be China, which would have to confront a Syrian-like Hybrid War along its porous southwestern border on top of the other many security challenges ringing its periphery (North Korea, East China Sea, South China Sea and India). Any plans for a CPEC-complementing Myanmar Corridor to the Indian Ocean would also be dashed, and Buddhist troublemakers in Tibet might become radicalized and inspired to commence another round of violence.

The likelihood of these forecasted scenarios could naturally compel China to take the lead in jump-starting emergency conflict resolution measures in Myanmar if the situation continues to spiral out of control there, :eek:
which might help establish exactly which of the two sides started this whole mess and hopefully bring justice to all the perpetrators without the large-scale geopolitical consequences that threaten to unfold otherwise.

The views expressed in this article are solely those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official position of Sputnik.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Karthik S » 12 Sep 2017 20:04

eklavya wrote:Ethnic cleansing is wrong, whether it happens to Kashmiri Hindus or Rohingya Muslims. India should tell Burma to immediately stop the persecution of the Rohingyas. Beyond that, our options are very limited, unless the UN is prepared to conduct a military intervention. The Chinese will not lose a second's sleep over the human rights issues; so we are tactically cornered. My instinct is to say to hell with tactical considerations, our civilisational imperative is to oppose ethnic cleansing.


What idiotic equivalence is this? Kashmiri Hindus belong to the land of Kashmir, which has derived it's name from Kashyapa rishi. KPs were cleansed from their OWN land.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby eklavya » 12 Sep 2017 20:13

^^^^
Rohingya Muslims are also been thrown out of their own homes. You can choose to not give a damn, but it doesn't change the facts.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby periaswamy » 12 Sep 2017 20:29

Rohingya muslims are not Indian citizens, and that should be good enough to put a lid on being concerned about their well being. These rohingyas who are settled in Jammu are already working with the Pakis against India, and there is no need to waste India's political currency on such people.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby arun » 12 Sep 2017 21:57

eklavya wrote:^^^^
Rohingya Muslims are also been thrown out of their own homes. You can choose to not give a damn, but it doesn't change the facts.



As Bengali speaking aherents of Mohammaddenism, responcibility for rehousing those identifying with the burqa label of “Rohingyas” vests first with Bangladesh followed by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan if a regional Indian Sub Continent solution is the order of the day followed then by any other Mohammadden majority counties who populate the Organisation of Islamic Co-operation (OIC) starting with Jordan from where Prince Zeid bin Ra'ad Zeid al-Hussein comes from.

India cannot be expected to help in all the worlds problems especially when we have a responcibilty to return our own citizens such as the Kashmiri Pandits who have been ethnically cleansed by Mohammadden Terrorism out of the Kashmir valley not to mention provide relief to fellow Dharmic non-citizens suffering relentless persecution in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby chetak » 12 Sep 2017 22:23

eklavya wrote:^^^^
Rohingya Muslims are also been thrown out of their own homes. You can choose to not give a damn, but it doesn't change the facts.


what facts are those??

some foreigners fighting in some foreign land and we are involved?? Let them kick the schitt out of each other or burn each others homes, why should we get involved??

The fact of the matter is simply that these dregs are keen to find a home in India because some of our minority guys are rooting for them. in indonesia, malaysia, beedi land, you could get shot on the street if you root for the rohingiya muslims and the police will do the shooting, so muslim majority countries are in complete agreement that the rohingiya muslims are not wanted in their countries but Only India should take them.

India is this great democracy where we are forced by any one and everyone including the saudi schitt led human rights goondas in the UN to accept the dregs and keep quiet.

why should we give a damn??

incidentally, some asshole beedi citizen became an MLA somewhere in the north east and some asshole german citizen became an MLA in telengana.

It took the Indian courts to kick their butts out.

We have become the schitthole of the world and we let everyone come and crap here.
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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Sachin » 12 Sep 2017 22:29

eklavya wrote:Rohingya Muslims are also been thrown out of their own homes. You can choose to not give a damn, but it doesn't change the facts.

Rohingya Muslims were NOT the first folks to be thrown out of their homes. In India itself, we have the example of Kashmiri Pundits. Off course the secular & liberal crowd would not find that a problem (because of the religion of the victims). Rohingyas have been kicked out of their homes, mainly due to their own gimmicks in Myanmar. These folks got thrown out of their homes; but were also smart enough to have a small little terrorist army - Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army (ARSA) .

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Karthik S » 12 Sep 2017 22:32

Sachin wrote:
eklavya wrote:Rohingya Muslims are also been thrown out of their own homes. You can choose to not give a damn, but it doesn't change the facts.

Rohingya Muslims were NOT the first folks to be thrown out of their homes. In India itself, we have the example of Kashmiri Pundits. Off course the secular & liberal crowd would not find that a problem (because of the religion of the victims). Rohingyas have been kicked out of their homes, mainly due to their own gimmicks in Myanmar. These folks got thrown out of their homes; but were also smart enough to have a small little terrorist army - Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army (ARSA) .


Myanmar is not RM's home. Bad luck for these people, they were not taken to place that would have granted citizenship, but it's Myanmar's business, it's not for us to decide if they should grant citizenship or not. But fact is, RMs don't belong to Burmese land.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Prem Kumar » 12 Sep 2017 23:51

1) We should deport all Rohingya Muslims
2) We should conduct surgical strikes on Rohingya terrorist groups who have killed 100s of Hindus

India has a responsibility towards Hindus everywhere. Not towards Rohingyas.

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