Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Philip » 19 Feb 2018 06:41

NR, every Chinaman or woman has to be treated as an agent.A few years ag Germany said that it had lost several billions due to Chin industrial espionage.One firm said that they had a young Chin computer "trainee" working with them for 2 weeks.When he left they found he had stolen their entire tech.

In the US alone we've been told over the years how a Chinaman stole all the designs of their N-warheads and there was another case last year where the agent was arrested after a v.lengthy surveillance.The JSF design was also stolen.The West has asininely not punished China for this rampant unabashed piracy and brigandry whatsoever.They should simply impose a blanket duty on all Chin goods of say 300% to cover their IP losses.Only then will these unspeakable specimens understand.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby NRao » 19 Feb 2018 07:06

Comedy break.............................

Trump’s ‘nuclear football’ caused dust-up with Chinese officials

A clash over President Trump’s “nuclear football” almost caused an international incident in November when a Chinese security official was tackled to the ground during a chaotic scene in Beijing, it was revealed Sunday.

The alarming incident took place after a US military aide carrying the briefcase with which the president can launch a nuclear strike was prevented from following Trump into the Great Hall by Chinese security, according to Axios.

Another US official quickly went to inform Chief of Staff John Kelly who rushed to the military aide and announced, “We’re moving in.”

When Kelly and company proceeded, a Chinese security official grabbed Kelly who shoved the man’s hand away. The Chinese official was then tackled by a Secret Service, according to the report.

The fracas was instantly quelled, and Chinese security officials eventually apologized, Axios said.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Prem » 19 Feb 2018 10:02

http://www.afr.com/news/world/europe/eu ... 217-h0w95z
Europe signals alarm at assertive China's Belt and Road initiative

European leaders have singled out a new assertiveness by China, particularly its Belt and Road Initiative, as a spur to develop a joint foreign policy that could see Europe contest China's infrastructure drive into central Asia.Despite a range of major foreign policy headaches closer to home including Russian aggression, a flailing defence relationship with the United States and Brexit,[b] European leaders attending a major security summit in Munich on the weekend made time to speak of the challenges posed by China's Belt and Road initiative – a massive infrastructure play that is pushing Chinese development of road and sea lanes towards Europe across Central Asia.German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker and French Prime minister Édouard Philippe all spoke at the Munich Security Conference of the challenges to Western liberalism and the prevailing world order laid down by the rise of China and other authoritarian regimes.The most comprehensive observations on China were made by Mr Gabriel, and endorsed by President Juncker and Prime Minister Philippe.Mr Gabriel said on Saturday that China and Russia were trying "to test and undermine" the liberal Western world order,He noted an increasing global claim to power by China, as well as Russia asserting itself militarily, as phenomena leading to "massive shifts in our world order with unpredictable consequences".
Staking their claims With the United States "no longer by far the strongest power in the world", others were starting to stake their claims, Mr Gabriel said. "I'm sure neither the US nor Europe will be happy in this new architecture," he said
"Powers will start shifting with the rise of China. The new Silk Road initiative is not what some people in Germany think it is – only a sentimental reminiscence of Marco Polo – but it is an attempt to establish a comprehensive system to put a Chinese mark on the world."It is not just about business and industry. China is developing a comprehensive system that is not like ours, not based on freedom, democracy and human rights."
Mr Gabriel said China appeared to be "the only country in the world that seems to have a real global strategic idea and they are pursuing this idea consistently".It was perfectly understandable that China would be doing this, Mr Gabriel said – "they are very right to do so." But he said the West was at fault for not having a new strategy to meet this new challenge and create "a new balance in our world order"."Powers like Russia and China are constantly trying to test and to undermine the EU's unity," he said. "Individual states or groups are tested with sticks or carrots … whether they want to stay in the union or be singled out."The EU's joint strategy could not rest simply on military power, he said, "but it cannot forgo the military completely because as the only vegetarian we will have a difficult position in the world of carnivores"./b]As a non-military arm of policy, he suggested, the EU could, for example, "start our own initiative to promote the construction of infrastructure from Eastern Europe to Central Asia with European money but also observing European standards".He also noted China's massive investment in Africa and said Europe needed to "stop thinking of Africa only in terms of problems and think of it as a continent of opportunities"."In the much more complex world today we have developed democracies on the one hand and autocracies on the other," Mr Gabriel said.[b]Prime Minister Philippe said Europe "cannot leave the rules of the new silk road to China". The choices were either co-operation in developing infrastructure across central Asia, or accepting Chinese hegemony, he said

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby SSridhar » 19 Feb 2018 18:08

Resituating Menser and Darchen-Labrang in the Boundary Negotiations with China - P.Stobdan, IDSA
The recent launch of the China-Pakistan-Economic Corridor (CPEC) by China and Pakistan has provided India with a fresh impetus to assert its sovereign claim over Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir (PoK), including Gilgit-Baltistan (GB) region, which had hitherto remained in diplomatic abeyance. The Instrument of Accession signed by Maharaja Hari Singh on October 26, 1947 warranted India’s control over the entire territory of the erstwhile Princely State of Jammu & Kashmir. And, Section 4 of the Jammu & Kashmir (J&K) Constitution defined the State’s territory as comprising all the territories which, on the fifteenth day of August 1947, were under the sovereignty or suzerainty of the Ruler of the State.

Consequently, the geographical extent of J&K included the areas now under Pakistani occupation, that is, Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK), as well as the Trans-Karakoram Tract or Shaksgam Valley, and the Aksai Chin Plateau. One important fact that is generally ignored is that Maharaja Hari Singh’s Instrument of Accession referred to him as “Shriman Inder Mahinder Rajrajeswar Maharajadhiraj Shri Hari Singhji, Jammu & Kashmir Naresh Tatha Tibbet adi Deshadhipati”. That is, he asserted that he is not just the ruler of Jammu & Kashmir but also of the areas of eastern Ladakh including Aksai Chin as well as the territory he controlled inside Tibet. Accordingly, J&K’s territory included jurisdiction over Minser (Menser) estate, which consisted of a cluster of villages located 296 kilometres deep inside Chinese territory at the foot of the holy Mount Kailash on the bank of Manasarovar Lake.{That's where the Hindus normally perform puja and from where Mt. Kailash is clearly visible weather permitting}

Menser: An Indian Estate in Tibet

Menser remained a part of India even after Tibet under the 5th Dalai Lama brutally snatched the eastern half of Ladakh, covering the area of Rudok, Guge, Kailash, Burang and up to the Nepal border junction, during the 1679–1684 Ladakh-Tibet war. But for the timely military intervention of Aurangzeb and diplomatic intercession by the Bhutanese, the whole of Ladakh would have been part of Tibet-China today.

The 1684 Treaty of Temisgang concluded at the end of that war entitled the ruler of Ladakh to govern the Menser villages for two key purposes:

retaining a transit place for Indian traders and pilgrims to Mount Kailash; and,
meeting the expenses connected with religious offerings to the sacred Mount Kailash.

The Treaty also confirmed the delimitation of the Tibet-Ladakh boundary at Demchok. Successive Maharajas of Kashmir continued to abide by these treaty obligations and collected taxes from Menser villages from 1846 until the early 1960s. Similarly, Bhutan also enjoyed legal rights over the Darchen-Labrang {Darchen, or more likely Darshan, is at the foothills of Mt. Kailash from where yaks or horses or hired to start the Parikrama} enclave consisting of a series of monasteries near Mount Kailash and Gartok.

Both Menser and Darchen-Labrang served as key outposts for Indian and Bhutanese traders and pilgrims for over 300 years. They exercised full administrative jurisdiction and collected annual tribute from their respective enclaves until the 1960s.

In 1853, the Wazir of Ladakh, Mehta Basti Ram collected Rs 56 as revenue from Menser. The collection had gone up to Rs 297 by 1905. According to Indian censuses 1911 and 1921, Menser had 44 houses comprising, 87 men and 73 women. The final settlement report of J&K in 1958 showed Menser among the 110 villages in Ladakh Tehsil. Local records suggest that J&K authorities stopped collecting annual revenue from Menser after the India-Pakistan War of 1965.

The details of India’s legal jurisdiction over Menser are given in the Notes, Memoranda and Letters Exchanged and Agreements signed between The Governments of India and China (White Paper IV for the period between September 1959 – March 1960), published by the Ministry of External Affairs, Government of India.

Some facts that are now coming to the fore suggest that India “unilaterally (and discretely)” gave up its sovereign rights over Menser in the early 1950s. According to Claude Arpi, an expert on Himalayan Affairs, “Nehru in 1953, wanting to be nice and have his Panchsheel Agreement signed, had unilaterally renounced all Indian ‘colonial’ rights over smaller principalities including the Indian estate of Menser in 1953 as a gesture of goodwill towards Communist China.”

Nehru’s instructions to Indian negotiators on the Panchsheel accord signed in Beijing was as follows:

“Regarding the village of Minsar in western Tibet, which has belonged to the Kashmir State, it is clear that we shall have to give it up, if this question is raised. We need not raise it. If it is raised, we should say that we recognise the strength of the Chinese contention and we are prepared to consider it and recommend it.”

At the same time, however, Nehru added that “we should not come to a final agreement without gaining the formal assent of the Kashmir Government.”

Clearly, the Bhutanese enclaves of Darchen-Labrang in Tibet also met with the same fate under Nehru’s instructions.

Nehru’s “goodwill-gesture” theory cannot be substantiated, though Indian historians have mostly attributed India’s guff up with China to Nehru’s “innocence and gullibility”. This was despite other leaders including Vallabhbhai Patel warning him about China’s motives vis-à-vis India.

Why the Indian leadership surrendered the possession of J&K and Bhutanese territories near Mount Kailash, which formed a key aspect of the strategy followed by Ladakh and Bhutan to offset Sino-Tibetan expansionism in the Himalayas, needs more investigation.

Why did Nehru Forego the Indian and Bhutanese Principalities to China?


While Nehru’s “goodwill-gesture” theory cannot be substantiated, the most striking incident that seemingly jolted Nehru in 1947 stemmed from an issue related to Tibet. Barely two months after independence, Nehru was apparently shocked to receive two telegrams from the Tibetan Government in Lhasa asking India to return the (lost) territories of Tibet. One of these, dated October 16, 1947 and forwarded through the Indian Mission in Lhasa, sought the return of territories "such as Sayul and Walong and in direction of Pemakoe, Lonag, Lapa, Mon, Bhutan, Sikkim, Darjeeling and others on this side of river Ganges and Lowo, Ladakh etc. up to boundary of Yarkhim."

Nehru was stunned by these Tibetan demands but concealed them from Parliament. He seemingly rejected the Tibetan claim and instead advised Lhasa to maintain the status quo until new agreements can be reached. This most preposterous claim by the Tibetans, which was fraught with incalculable consequences for India, is mentioned in the then Intelligence Bureau Chief B.N. Mullick’s book My Years with Nehru – the Chinese Betrayal. Mullick characterised it as an “ill-advised claim” by the Tibetan authority.

Interestingly, neither did Lhasa accept independent India’s call for ratifying the 1914 Simla Convention and the McMahon Line Treaty nor was it willing to send an official delegation to attend India’s Independence celebration in 1947. Perhaps, it was this Tibetan inanity that prompted Nehru to issue a clarification on December 6, 1950 that “he was not interested in challenging China’s suzerainty over it.”

India was greatly relieved when the Dalai Lama’s representatives signed the 17-point agreement with China on May 23, 1951 affirming Chinese sovereignty over Tibet. It was only after the Sino-Tibetan agreement had been signed that India went ahead with the signing of the Peace Treaty with China on April 29, 1954 – which explicitly recognized Tibet as part of China.

Interestingly, after his escape to India in 1959, the Dalai Lama absolved himself from the above missteps by saying that he was only 18 years old and had no active control over his Regent then. Regrettably, the Tibetan faux pas turned into a great benefit for China.

Nehru’s Quandary

The Tibetan follies may have rightly caused a dilemma in Nehru’s mind whether to follow the traditional customary treaties with Tibet or stick to the British conventions for resetting boundaries with China. Inheriting the British colonial legacy involved a risk of being called an “imperialist”. But continuing with the old treaties (with Tibet) risked opening a can of worms in the Himalayas especially when Tibetans themselves were asserting claims over territories from Ladakh to Arunachal Pradesh.

Hence, the decision to forego the Indian and Bhutanese principalities inside Tibet and also not making any reference to the discrepancies along the Sikkim-Tibet border and Bhutan-Tibet border or Doklam (tri-junction) in the early 1950s probably stemmed from Nehru’s dilemma vis-a-vis Tibet. Even the British knew that the Tibetans posed a greater threat to India than China did.

India, therefore, may have favoured to opt for continuing with the British Raj’s Tibet policy, which preferred

a weak Chinese presence in Tibet,
a suzerain and not sovereign status for Tibet, and
autonomy and not independence for Tibet.

The underlying objective of the British policy was to

protect Indian commercial interests in Tibet,
prevent Russian advancement, and
check Tibetan irredentist claims over the Indian Himalayas.

Together, these determined India’s decision not to push the Tibetan question in the UN beyond the preliminaries, thus giving a natural death to the issue. Moreover, the British government’s advice then was that neither India nor any external power could prevent the Chinese takeover of Tibet.

Aggrieved Nehru

Five years after the Panchsheel Treaty was signed, Nehru received a lengthy letter from Chou En-lai (September 8, 1959) which described the McMahon Line as a product of the British policy of aggression on a weak Tibet. Among other things, Chou En-lai claimed an additional 40,000 square miles of Indian Territory; raised the issue of China’s non-ratification of the 1842 Tibet-Ladakh border; reminded Nehru of Lhasa’s 1947 correspondence relating to the return of Tibetan areas by India; claimed the frontier east of Bhutan as a traditional frontier; rejected that the Sikkim and Bhutan boundary issues fell within the scope of India-China discussions; asserted that China has a 2,000 kilometre long boundary with India instead of the 3,530 kilometre boundary claimed by India; alleged that Indian troops have trespassed, "invaded and occupied" a number of places; accused India of shielding armed Tibetan rebels in the frontier areas; and alleged that Indian aircraft are repeatedly violating Chinese air space.

Terribly distressed, Nehru sent a rebuttal to Chou En-lai on September 26, 1959 in which he deeply resented the allegation that India was seeking to reap a benefit from the British aggression against China and said that “India voluntarily renounced all the extra-territorial rights enjoyed by Britain in Tibet before 1947 and recognised that Tibet is a region of China.”

Clearly, Beijing was reinforcing the claim earlier made by the Tibetan administration which called the McMahon Line an imperialist fabrication and hence “illegal” and India must return those ‘lost’ Tibetan territories.

The Change of Tack

A turnaround in Nehru’s policy came when he started to reassert over issues relating to the Sikkim and Bhutan boundaries defined by the British. In Paragraph 17 of his September 1959 letter to Chou, without questioning the validity of the 1890 Sikkim-Tibet Convention, Nehru insisted that it only referred to northern Sikkim and not to the tri-junction. He explicitly objected to the discrepancy in Chinese maps showing a sizeable part of the tri-junction (Doklam) area of Bhutan as part of China, which needed to be discussed with Bhutan and Sikkim.

Consequently, India also remained more definitive about Sikkim exercising full administrative and jurisdictional control all along the traditional/customary ‘boundary alignment’ that had been recognised by both sides.
India’s disquieting positions in this regard vis-à-vis China are reflected in the Notes, Memoranda and letters Exchanged and Agreements signed between The Governments of India and China (White Paper IV for the period between September 1959 – March 1960), published by the Government of India.

With regards to Bhutan, the 1961 Report of the Governments of India and the People’s Republic of China on the Boundary Question (Part 3),published by the Ministry of External Affairs states the following:

“The State of Bhutan has been maintaining check posts and exercising effective administrative jurisdiction all along her boundary with Tibet.”


“The Government of India has already taken up with the Government of China various matters on behalf of Bhutan, including the delineation of Bhutan's external boundaries.”


“The official map was more or less correctly drawn except Bhutan's eastern border with India.”


“Since the traditional India-Tibet boundary runs along the Himalayan watershed, Bhutan's eastern boundary was a matter concerning India and Bhutan only.”


“The whole of Bhutan's eastern boundary with India had been studied jointly during 1936-38 and formally accepted by Governments of India and Bhutan.”

With regards to Bhutanese rights in Tibet, the 1961 Report said:

“Chinese officials have illegally dispossessed the designated authorities of the Government of Bhutan in the following eight villages situated in western Tibet over which Bhutan has been exercising administrative jurisdiction for more than 300 years: Khangri, Tarchen, Tsekhor, Diraphu, Dzung Tuphu, Jangehe, Chakip and Kocha.”


“Bhutanese officers governed these villages, collected taxes from them and administered justice. Tibetan authorities consistently recognised that these villages belonged to the Bhutan Government.”


“At the request of the State of Bhutan the Government of India in their notes of 19 August 1959 and 20 August 1959 have represented to the Chinese Government to restore the rightful authority of the Bhutan Government over their enclaves.”

But China deliberately avoided a discussion or exchange of maps relating to the Tibet-Sikkim and Tibet-Bhutan borders with India. To what extent the Chinese were advised by Tibetan authorities is unclear. But what is very clear is the fact that Tibetan advice both critically impacted Indian security and impinged on the boundary negotiation with China.

Time to Talk about the Restitution of Menser

Although in its 1959 Notes India had sought the restoration of Bhutan’s rightful authority over Bhutanese enclaves in Tibet, it surprisingly did not mention its own sovereign claim over Menser. This, despite the Official Report issued later in 1961 providing a full account of India’s historical, administrative and revenue rights over five villages near Kailash-Manasarovar. The Report also provided a full record of the Maharaja’s jurisdiction on Menser, which was one of the 110 villages that fell under Ladakh Tehsil. The Report is backed by documents including the J&K Revenue Assessment Report of 1902 and Settlement Report of 1908, Census Reports from 1901 to 1937, and Revenue records from 1901 to 1948, among others.

The complete story regarding Nehru’s discrete surrender of Menser is yet to be ascertained, but some pertinent questions surrounding the case should still be raised even if they are of only academic relevance.

First, if the Tibetans and Chinese authorities acknowledged that Ladakh/Kashmir and Bhutan held certain rights in Mount Kailash area, why did India unilaterally decide to hand over those rights to China?

Second, on record, neither did China apparently challenge Indian sovereign rights over Menser, nor did India raise the issue in talks with China in 1953-54. So, does that mean that Menser legally still belongs to India?

Third, Menser’s surrender was neither referred to Srinagar nor was it ratified by Parliament. Why did the J&K government keep quiet on the Menser issue despite voices in that regard being repeatedly raised in Ladakh for seven decades?

Fourth, why has India kept the issue out of the public domain in spite of the repeated clarifications sought on Menser by the Member of Parliament from Ladakh constituency since 1982 in the Lok Sabha? Till date, no convincing answer seems to have been given by any central Government. Is this a case of self-betrayal? The Government owes an answer to the people of J&K?

Fifth, if the Government of India was the competent authority to take up matters concerning Bhutan’s territory, what prevented India from raising its own Menser issue with Beijing?

Sixth, having decided to forego the enclaves, why did not the Government of India ever seek any compensation for either Ladakh/Kashmir or Bhutan?

Clearly, the fate of these enclaves has never been negotiated or settled legally so far. As the British historian John Bray wrote “The status of Minsar is no more than a minor footnote to these concerns, but one that has still to be cleared up.” Therefore, the Menser question should not be considered by us as entirely closed.

Strangely, not only the Chinese but even the Dalai Lama remains silent on the status of Menser and Darchen-Labrang enclaves.

Implications

To recall, in 2015, China had insisted upon opening the Nathu La instead of Demchok as an alternate pilgrimage route to Manasarovar. Beijing had ostensibly done this to put to rest any future discussion on Menser and Darchen-Labrang enclaves located near Mount Kailash knowing very well that those places hold great spiritual, emotional and political significance to Indian and Bhutanese pilgrims.

China’s hardening of position on the boundary issue, especially demanding the “restitution” of Tawang, is solely based on the argument that the Sixth Dalai Lama was born there and that the Tibetans had paid obeisance to the Monastery for centuries – hence it cannot be parted with.
By the same logic, the Menser and Darchen-Labrang along with other eight monasteries owned respectively by Ladakh and Bhutan were visited by their people for pilgrimages to Mount Kailash (Gangs rin‑po-che, Ti-se) or holy abode of Lord Shiva (Chang-chub-chen-mo) for centuries – hence cannot be parted with and swept away.


Importantly, India needs to be cautious about China possibly claiming places in Ladakh based on the contention that Lama Staksang Repa, the sole legal owner or caretaker of Hemis Monastery, is a Chinese national presently living in Lhasa. Hemis continues to hold legal ownership over a large portion of Ladakh’s agricultural land. The issue is important and must be factored in finding the next incarnation of Lama Staksang Repa within India.

More critically, the key Indian monasteries in Ladakh have already fallen into the hands of high-ranking Tibetan (refugee) Lamas with all the attendant risks entailing long term implications for India. How to undo that remains a challenge.


In addition to the five Indian villages in Menser, China is sitting over the 38,000 square kilometre area of Aksai-Chin and the 5000 square kilometre area of Shaksgam of J&K. According to the 2013 report authored by Shyam Saran, which has not been made public, the PLA has, in recent decades, nibbled away 645 kilometres of land in Ladakh’s Raki Nallah, Pangong Tso and Skakjung area. Consequently, the Line of Actual Control (LAC) originally defined in 1959 had been pushed westward and Indian controlled territory has considerably shrunk. The Chinese ground assertion in Depsang, Trig-Height, Hot-Spring, Chushul, Spanguur, Demchok and Chumur remains unabated.

To be sure, China’s objective is to push for a formal settlement in the Western Sector, where it has nothing to lose. In fact, the swapping of respective claims over Aksai-Chin and Arunachal Pradesh is also entertained as a pragmatic idea even in India.

But there is need for caution in this regard. China’s smart move would be to convince India, in the first step, to forego its claim over Aksai-Chin, thereby de-linking the Ladakh or J&K sector from the overall boundary dispute. By doing so, China intends to remove the Aksai-Chin, Shaksgam and Menser issues from the dispute. China had applied a similar trick in recent times for settling borders with three Central Asian states. The ceding of Aksai-Chin, Shaksgam and Menser enclave would tantamount to altering the territorial extent of J&K and by implication ceding Gilgit-Baltistan to Pakistan.

But the Chinese are masters in the art of denial and deception. Once India falls for China’s magnanimous position over Aksai-Chin, Beijing will then shift the focus to Arunachal, considered by China as ‘South Tibet’. It would then emphatically convey that India is occupying 90,000 square kilometres of Chinese territory, and that Tawang in particular is ‘non-negotiable’ in a final settlement of the border issue. China’s ‘minimal demand’ has been aired through unofficial and academic channels. The policy is couched to convey the point “you keep the substance, we retain the face” – a tactic China profitably applied in its favour with Central Asian States.


Yet, China would want to resolve issues with India along three essential points: a) settle the boundary dispute on its terms, b) solve Tibet problem without Indian interference in the post-Dalai Lama scenario, and c) prevent India-US congruence along the Himalayan frontiers.

As a consequence of the Instrument of Accession, and if Article 1 of the Constitution of India defines Jammu & Kashmir as a State of the Indian Union and the State of J&K under Section 4 of its Constitution cherishes the right to visualise the possibility of occupied areas being vacated by aggressors, then the mere reclaiming of PoK alone would be viewed as hypocritical.

Agreed, for India to reopen the hitherto forgotten Menser question and enforcing a residual sovereign claim over it would be difficult. But the enclave near Kailash-Manasarovar is historically, emotionally and commercially more critical for India when compared to Aksai-Chin’s relevance today. For India, restoring the web of historical, spiritual, and commercial links with the Kailash-Manasarovar region assumes importance if for nothing else than to deter the Chinese and Tibetans claiming Tawang and other places in India on account of their religious affiliation. The recent Doklam episode should prompt India and Bhutan to rethink their hitherto overlooked issue of resituating Menser and Darchen-Labrang in their academic discourse and policy positions.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Misra » 19 Feb 2018 22:56

Philip wrote:NR, every Chinaman or woman has to be treated as an agent.A few years ag Germany said that it had lost several billions due to Chin industrial espionage.One firm said that they had a young Chin computer "trainee" working with them for 2 weeks.When he left they found he had stolen their entire tech.

In the US alone we've been told over the years how a Chinaman stole all the designs of their N-warheads and there was another case last year where the agent was arrested after a v.lengthy surveillance.The JSF design was also stolen.The West has asininely not punished China for this rampant unabashed piracy and brigandry whatsoever.They should simply impose a blanket duty on all Chin goods of say 300% to cover their IP losses.Only then will these unspeakable specimens understand.


at most US national labs, including one regarded as the site with the maximum data hacking attempts worldwide, they are believed to operate under the assumption that all their data is with the chinese already. indeed, a whole lot of effort is said to be made to ensure the aggregate is mucked up enough to prevent sensible extraction

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Prem » 20 Feb 2018 05:55

https://warontherocks.com/2018/02/16904/
TILLERSON CHARTS A NEW COURSE IN LATIN AMERICA

No other great powers will be allowed in Latin America, and liberal democracy is the only political system allowed in the region (or, in practice, no socialist or Marxist rule will be tolerated in the region). These are the two tenets of the Monroe Doctrine established by the United States in 1823, a successful and long-standing strategy that perpetuated Washington’s hegemony in Latin America until November 2013, when then-U.S. chief diplomat John Kerry declared its “end” at the Organization of American States.
Yet the recent trip to Latin America by U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson suggests this may only have been a short parenthesis in the history of the strategy. Indeed, Tillerson seems determined to revive the Monroe Doctrine.Beijing has increased its influence in Latin America significantly since 2001, with the Sino–Latin American relationship intensifying as trade jumped from $12 billion at the beginning of the century to approximately $250 billion in 2015. Political and military engagements gradually increased between Beijing and several Latin American countries Washington regarded with distrust; namely Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia, and Argentina.China increased its arms sales and military engagements in Latin America. The growth of these exchanges was limited until 2015 when Beijing signed an arms deal with Argentina that would take Chinese military sales to the region from $100 million to as much as $1 billion. China also struck an agreement for the construction of a Chinese space-monitoring base in the Argentinean Patagonia, controlled by the People’s Liberation Army, announced in 2014 and intended to be fully operative this year.
Beijing has also helped sustain the socialist regimes of Hugo Chávez and Nicolás Maduro in Venezuela, Rafael Correa in Ecuador, Evo Morales in Bolivia, and the Kirchners in Argentina by directing them 75 percent of the $119 billion in Chinese loans provided to Latin America since 2005. Despite concerns raised by a few U.S. academics, Washington did nothing to counter China’s actions in this regard.During the prime of the Monroe Doctrine, between 1823 and 2001, such influence would never have grown unchecked. It was a sign of the decreasing capacity of the United States to be an omnipresent hegemon.Then arrived Donald Trump. A tough approach on immigration and constant insults to Mexico and other Latin American and Caribbean countries, such as Haiti and El Salvador, rendered Obama-era efforts to engage the region almost useless. Latin America did not feature within Trump’s inward-looking strategy of “America First”; the region south of the Rio Grande only arose when talking about the wall, drugs, illegal immigration, or renegotiating the North American Free Trade Agreement.However, if the visit by Tillerson to the region is any guide, a significant shift in U.S. foreign policy towards Latin American might be underway. Tillerson seems willing to develop a newly assertive approach, a glimpse of which was evident in a speech delivered on Feb. 1 at the University of Texas, shortly before his trip began, in which he developed several ideas about the geopolitical situation of the region. His remarks are worth quoting at length:Latin America does not need new imperial powers that seek only to benefit their own people. China’s state-led model of development is reminiscent of the past. It doesn’t have to be this hemisphere’s future …
Russia’s growing presence in the region is alarming as well, as it continues to sell arms and military equipment to unfriendly regimes who do not share or respect democratic values …
Today, China is gaining a foothold in Latin America. It is using economic statecraft to pull the region into its orbit. The question is: At what price?
During his speech, Tillerson reasserted the importance of the region’s shared democratic values. He also called for action against the governments of Venezuela and Cuba, and pointed to recent “steps taken against corruption in Guatemala, Peru, the Dominican Republic, and Brazil,” and how these “underscore the importance of directly addressing” the problem.A couple of days later, Tillerson focused on Venezuela’s political crisis again, declaring that the United States would use “all economic, political, and diplomatic tools” at its disposal, and later announced an intention to establish sanctions against Nicholas Maduro’s regime.Contrasted with Kerry, Tillerson seems to be determined to say and do something about what he considers as external (Chinese) and internal (Venezuelan) threats to the region. It appears that the Monroe Doctrine is back.


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Postby SSridhar » 20 Feb 2018 09:10

New Zealand seeks clarity on India’s military ambitions - Dinakar Peri, The Hindu
As India expands its influence in Southeast Asia and the Indian Ocean Region, New Zealand’s Chief of Defence Force Lt. Gen. Tim Keating has sought clarity on a probable military component to New Delhi’s ‘Act East’ policy.

In an exclusive interview to The Hindu , Lt. Gen. Keating, currently on a visit to India, said, “We want to understand as India grows, how it intends to grow its influence militarily both regionally and near region. What does ‘Act East’ mean? We can see that economically and politically. But does that have a military element? From a military strategic point getting that understanding whether there are common interests and how they can be managed is important for us.”


Role of the Quad

Lt. Gen. Keating also queried the objectives of the recently resurrected quadrilateral (Quad) comprising India, Australia, Japan and the U.S. New Zealand has always balanced its relations with the U.S. and China.

He observed that the Quad need not necessarily be a military agreement at this stage but four large influential nations developing a common policy framework to various opportunities and potential threats in the region.

Asked if New Zealand would be interested in joining the grouping at some point, Lt. Gen. Keating said, “There is lot of clarity to be gained about what the Quad is. What does it mean to the four individual nations…. I will be very interested to engage my Indian counterparts to see what Quad means to them and put a question — do they see a role for New Zealand?”

Last year on the sidelines of the East Asia Summit in Manila, the Quad countries had discussed reviving the decade-old grouping, seen by China as an attempt to contain it. The developments follow China’s rapidly increasing military presence in the Indian Ocean and the expansion of dual use facilities and infrastructure by Beijing under its Belt and Road Initiative (BRI).

Lt. Gen. Keating noted that while India and New Zealand are far away geographically, they had common interests.

During his visit, Lt. Gen. Keating will hold discussions with senior members of the security establishment including Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman, National Security Adviser Ajit Doval, Army Chief Gen. Bipin Rawat and Chairman of the Chief of the Staff Committee Adm. Sunil Lanba.

Lt. Gen. Keating said New Zealand would like to know how big countries like India and China approached the rules-based global order. {It is all there in the open; no need to ask anyone. One simple example. UNCLOS Award. India lost the case to Bangladesh and calmly accepted that and went about it normally. China rejected that, went ballistic and has increased the pace of its militarization of the Indo-China Sea. It refuses to agree to a Conduct of Parties with the ASEAN in the Indo-China Sea by prolonging it now for over a decade.}

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Postby SSridhar » 20 Feb 2018 19:01

China upgrades air defence along Indian border: Report - PTI
China is upgrading air defence of its Western Theatre Command, which looks after the security along the Line of Actual Control (LAC), to "confront any threat from India", an official media report quoted a military expert as saying.

The Chinese military has released photographs of a J-10 fighter jet - a lightweight multi-role fighter aircraft - along with J-11 - a single-seat, twin-engine fighter jet - flying over the high-altitude plateau in western China during the current Chinese New Year and Spring Festival holiday
, state-run Global Times reported on Tuesday.

The jets are attached to an aviation brigade of the air force under the PLA Western Theatre Command, the website of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) said.

China has also recently commissioned its stealth fighter, the J-20, which is first in the region.

The Western Theatre Command is mainly responsible for mountain warfare at the border area with India.
The LAC stretches to 3,488-km including the high altitude Tibetan plateau.

India and China have been trying to reset their ties after last year's 73-day standoff between the two sides at Doklam+ in Sikkim section of boundary.

It is significant for China to strengthen control of airspace over the mountainous region, Song Zhongping, a Chinese military expert and TV commentator, told the Global Times.

"Strengthening the 3.5-generation fighter jets or even stationing more advanced fighters in the Western Theatre Command has been urgent for the PLA," Song said, adding that such upgrades have been usually first conducted in south and east theatre commands.

Considering that India possesses 3rd-generation fighter jets, China's stationing of its 3.5-generation jets would be able to deal with any current threat from India, Song said.


Apparently referring to India's acquisition of Rafale fighter jets from France, Song said, "with India importing new jets, China will continue strengthening its fighter jets in the Western Theatre Command."

Since he took over power in 2013, President Xi Jinping, who is also general secretary of the Communist Party of China and chairman of the Central Military Commission, has been pressing the PLA to step up live firing drills to win local wars.

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Postby Peregrine » 20 Feb 2018 19:13

Chinese warships enter East Indian Ocean amid Maldives tensions

SHANGHAI: Eleven Chinese warships sailed into the East Indian Ocean this month, a Chinese news portal said, amid a constitutional crisis in the tiny tropical island chain of the Maldives now under a state of emergency.

A fleet of destroyers and at least one frigate, a 30,000-tone amphibious transport dock and three support tankers entered the Indian Ocean, news portal Sina.com.cn said, without linking the deployment to the crisis in the Maldives+ or giving a reason.

"If you look at warships and other equipment, the gap between the Indian and Chinese navy is not large," Sina.com.cn said on Sunday.

It did not say when the fleet was deployed or for how long.

Rivalry between old foes India and China for influence in the Maldives became evident after President Abdulla Yameen signed up to Beijing's Belt and Road initiative to build trade and transport links across Asia and beyond.

India, which has had longstanding political and security ties to the islands about 400 km (250 miles) away, has sought to push back against China's expanding presence in the overwhelmingly Muslim country of 400,000 people. Maldivian opposition leaders have urged New Delhi to intervene in the crisis.

China's Ministry of Defence did not respond to requests for comment.

On Friday, the People's Liberation Army posted photos and a story on rescue training exercises taking place in the East Indian Ocean on its official Twitter-like Weibo account.

China earlier this month advised Chinese citizens to avoid visiting the Maldives, famous its luxury hotels, scuba-diving resorts and limpid tropical seas, until political tensions subside.

China has been striking deals with countries in Asia and Africa in line with its Belt and Road initiative to improve imports of key commodities, upgrade infrastructure and trade routes in the region and boost its diplomatic clout.

Yameen imposed the emergency on February 5 for 15 days to annul a Supreme Court ruling that quashed convictions against nine opposition leaders and ordered his government to free those held in prison. He sought parliamentary approval to extend the emergency for 30 days on Monday.

China has drawn criticism in the West for its perceived military buildup of the neighbouring South China Sea, where it has built and expanded islands and reefs.

China claims most of the sea where neighbours Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam also have claims.

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http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 890_1.html
Chinese warships return to SCS as Indian Navy continues heavy deployment
A Chinese warship flotilla that had entered the Indian Ocean, reportedly heading for the Maldives Islands, has turned around and returned to the South China Sea, say highly credible Indian Navy sources.

On Tuesday, Reuters quoted Chinese website Sina.com to report that eleven Chinese warships had entered the Indian Ocean “amid a constitutional crisis in the tiny tropical island chain of the Maldives now under a state of emergency”, clearly suggesting gunboat diplomacy at work.

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The Indian Navy, meanwhile, continues maintaining a heavy presence of battle-ready warships in the Arabian Sea, including many close to the Maldives.

According to a navy announcement last Wednesday, “A tri-service maritime exercise, codenamed ‘Paschim Lehar’, commenced on the Western seaboard on 12 Feb[ruary 20]18. This exercise includes the participation of a large number of ships, submarines and aircraft from the Western Naval Command of the Indian Navy.”

The announcement also revealed the presence of “Eastern Naval Command, Indian Army, Indian Air Force and the Indian Coast Guard [units that are] also participating to build interoperability.”

In all, India has over 40 ships and submarines deployed in Exercise Paschim Lehar, and a similar number of combat aircraft.

If further signalling were needed of the ready availability of Indian military power, the Navy also announced that army amphibious forces – specialist units used to assault and capture island targets – were also participating in the on-going exercise.

Contacted for comments, an Indian Navy spokesperson stated: “This is a routine training exercise that is taking place. It will last for a month.”

In simple strategic terms, India’s proximity to the Maldives lets it project far greater force around the archipelago than the PLA(N), for significantly longer durations.

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Postby SSridhar » 20 Feb 2018 20:03

China's polar ambitions cause anxiety - Straits Times
Chinese tourists going abroad must be used to it by now - the lists of dos and don'ts to prevent them from tarnishing their country's image.

"Do not spit phlegm or gum" and "don't take a long time using public toilets" are just two of the exhortations in a 2013 pamphlet from the National Tourism Administration.

But the latest set of regulations is different, with rules against collecting soil, rocks and animals, carrying toxic objects and leaving behind solid waste. They are meant to protect Antarctica's environment and promote sustainable development of China's activities in the region, said the China Arctic and Antarctic Administration.

The rules - released by the State Oceanic Administration earlier this month - include a ban on violators from the area for three years.

They come at a time when the number of Chinese tourists to Antarctica and the Arctic has spiked. Antarctica attracted 5,289 Chinese visitors last year - making up 12 per cent of visitors - overtaking Australians as the second-largest group of travellers there.

Up in the Arctic, Chinese tourists going to the Russian Arctic National Park and the Finnish Lapland have risen as well.

The regulations also come amid closer scrutiny of China's expanding polar activities.

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Tourists are the most visible signs of the growing Chinese presence in the polar regions, which now feature mainly scientific research activities, but will increasingly include economic activities.

This is occurring as global warming causes ice melt in the polar regions, leading to possibilities in shipping and the exploitation of natural resources there.

This increasing Chinese presence in the poles has drawn mixed responses from other parties, whether those with direct stakes like the Arctic states and claimant states to Antarctica, or those with no direct claims but which want a piece of the action.

China is set to expand its activities as it positions itself as a polar power, in line with its foreign policy to be a global presence. As early as 2014, then director of the State Oceanic Administration Liu Cigui wrote: "Today, we are already standing at the starting point of a brand-new historical era, of striding towards becoming a polar-region power."

Its 13th five-year development plan of 2016-2020 includes a major programme to explore the polar regions. China's polar ambitions are a function of its rise, said Dr Liu Nengye of Adelaide University.

"China is now able to reach remote parts of the world, be it the Arctic, Antarctica, deep seabed or outer space," he said in an e-mail interview. He added that economic interests are key, but there are geopolitical reasons as well.

The rest of the world, particularly nations that have been driving polar policies, "may be worried that they will no longer play leading roles in the international decision-making process or at least (are) not as comfortable as they used to be", he added.

ARCTIC INTERESTS

A key foreign relations moment for China this year was the publication of its first White Paper on its Arctic policy last month. Dr Liu said it was well crafted, adding: "It clearly explains China's objectives in the Arctic and reaffirms China's full support of the existing Arctic international legal regime."

The sovereignty of the Arctic states - those that ring the Arctic Circle like Canada, Denmark (including Greenland and the Faroe Islands), Finland, Iceland, Norway, Russia, Sweden and the United States - is also respected, he noted.

China positions itself as an important stakeholder as a "near-Arctic state" whose climate and environment are affected by changes there.

While scientific and environmental research is talked about in the policy paper, economic activities also figure strongly. China wants to take part in the development of Arctic shipping routes.

It wants to develop a Polar Silk Road to link with its Belt and Road Initiative to build infrastructure along land and sea routes that link China to Africa and Europe.

Beijing is keen on the Polar Silk Road because it not only cuts by about a third the travel time from China to Europe, compared with the route via the South China Sea and Indian Ocean now, but also runs through an area free of pirates.


It also wants to take part in the exploration and exploitation of oil, gas and mineral resources, utilise fisheries and other living resources and develop tourism in the Arctic.

In addition, it wants to take part in shaping its governance.


Response to the White Paper has been mixed among Arctic states.

Canadian analysts worry about its ambiguity on Canadian jurisdiction over the North-west Passage that runs through the Canadian Arctic Archipelago. While the White Paper acknowledges the sovereignty of Arctic states, it also says international law needs to be observed.

"We don't know how China places the hierarchy between Arctic states and international law," Universite Laval professor Frederic Lasserre told CBC News.

He found the ambiguity over what China wants to do in the Arctic "a bit troubling".

But the Russians have welcomed China's engagement in the Arctic. China National Petroleum Corporation has a 20 per cent stake in the Yamal liquefied natural gas project in Siberia, and the two nations are looking to cooperate on developing rail and port facilities at Arkhangelsk city near the Arctic Circle.

China has also cooperated with Nordic state, including Iceland, on scientific research. What worries the West is that China and Russia appear to be stepping up military cooperation, having held naval drills in the Baltic Sea last year.

Chinese naval vessels have also at times operated close to the Arctic waters, noted Dr Marc Lanteigne of Massey University in New Zealand.

However, he added: "There is little sign that Beijing has any interest in sending military vessels to the Arctic on a regular basis, especially since doing so would likely prompt a strong reaction from both Russia and the United States."

ANTARCTIC ANXIETIES

In Antarctica, China's activities are also coming under greater scrutiny.

China runs four research stations there and is building a fifth that is expected to be completed in 2022.

Antarctica is not governed by any one country but by the Antarctica Treaty signed in 1959. China is one of 29 consultative nations of the treaty that govern the territory.

One of the treaty's objectives is to keep Antarctica demilitarised and nuclear-free, and ensure that it is used for peaceful purposes only.

China published a White Paper on its Antarctic activities last May that focused heavily on its scientific concerns and interest in cooperating with other states on projects related to the environment and climate, noted Dr Lanteigne.

However, a report published last August by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute said China "has conducted undeclared military activities in Antarctica, is building a territorial claim, and is engaging in military exploration there".

It also said China is looking for resources, including minerals, hydrocarbons and fish.

All territorial claims have been suspended since the Antarctic Treaty came into force in 1961, while the Madrid Protocol forbids any activity related to mineral resources other than for scientific research. This protocol is up for review in 2048.


The report said that for the Chinese, the protocol simply postpones what they believe is the inevitable opening up of Antarctic resources. It suggests that China should be encouraged to issue an official Antarctic strategy.

Professor Anne-Marie Brady of Canterbury University in New Zealand, who wrote the report, said in an e-mail: "China needs to clearly signal its intentions and strategic interests in the Antarctic, as other Antarctic states have done before them."

As a consultative nation, China is entitled to help shape the evolution of Antarctic governance, she added.

As a non-Arctic state and non-claimant to Antarctica, China is seeking to walk a fine line between avoiding being seen as a "gatecrasher" and not being marginalised, said Dr Lanteigne.

Dr Liu thinks that China's interest in the polar regions differs from its areas of core interests such as Taiwan and the South China Sea. Thus "Chinese diplomacy in the polar regions can be collaborative and cooperative, rather than provocative and challenging", he added.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby vinod » 20 Feb 2018 22:10

Why can't western powers convinced of China's ascendency do something to slow it down. May be block the CPEC by making sure that UN decides\declares or whatever way, that India is rightful owner of PoK? This will result in Pakistan not being colonised by China.

Assuming China even if its a permanent seat holder has been arm-twisted or side-lined in some way.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Philip » 20 Feb 2018 22:42

If we are indeed planning to stymie the PLAN in the Maldives and IOR, then it requires greater publicity.It will for one spur the Maldivian opposition to rise up further and attempt to oust their despot through civil disobedirnce and public demos.The moment they know that India is onc their side the faster will the situ turn tlo our advantage.

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Postby Bart S » 21 Feb 2018 04:29

While most of the attention here is focussed on the military bluster of the PLA and CPC, here is where they are genuinely winning the game:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... pockethits

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Postby chola » 21 Feb 2018 05:36

Bart S wrote:While most of the attention here is focussed on the military bluster of the PLA and CPC, here is where they are genuinely winning the game:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... pockethits


Yes, I’ve written about this extensively since their 19th national congress and the heavy concentration of scientific and technology goals enshrined in their five year plan and their forward projection for the decades after that.

For a damn commie state, they’ve created a frothing, cut-throat private sector that many of us on Wall Street think rivals the US. Pair that with a brutal, authoritarian government that is ruthless about achieving its goals and you will have a monstrosity in the sciences and technology.

And more than one field analyst told me it is inevitable that Cheen will overtake the US in the sciences because the Chicom government will not let ethics come in the way of success or profit.

Eugenics and gene-splicing across species? The West might hold off advances to argue the ethics of playing God. That won’t hinder the godless CCP. Creating systems that can tear apart space and time or create an artificial sun or black hole that risk annihilating the world we live on? Every country on earth with that ability would hesitate. Not so with China. In fact, there won’t even be a debate on the risk.

And then there’s AI. This tech is already near at hand. And it is frightfully powerful. The only reason there is a cage on this tiger so far is because Silicon Valley is American and people in America have a say about privacy, freedom, humanity and ethics of letting autonomous machines know and control every bit of our information. But once the PRC is in the lead, the AI tiger will know no bounds.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/world/wp/2018/01/07/feature/in-china-facial-recognition-is-sharp-end-of-a-drive-for-total-surveillance/

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Postby pankajs » 21 Feb 2018 05:53

Let us first acknowledge China's intent to push for progress in hard science is undeniable. But the reference to Gene editing progress stirred some memories and so dared to ask google chacha for this back of the mind thing.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/ ... ne-editing
Chinese scientist retracts research hailed as gene editing breakthrough
A Chinese university opened an investigation on Thursday to check a senior research biologist’s findings a day after he retracted his controversial paper in an international science journal that was originally hailed as a potential breakthrough in gene editing.

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Professor Han and his colleagues published a paper in the journal Nature Biotechnology in May last year claiming they had successfully edited genes in human cells with a new tool using the protein NgAgo.

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Scientists were initially excited about the research because the technique appeared to offer a more powerful alternative to the current most widely-used gene editing tool, Crispr.

However, mainland scientists estimate that hundreds of laboratories around the world have spent huge amounts of time and money trying to replicate Han’s results – and all failed.

Again, I don't mean to diss Chinese achievements and there are many achievements but China does rely a lot on smoke and mirrors to overawe others.

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Postby pankajs » 21 Feb 2018 06:02

Again, another memory stirred pushing me to disturb google chacha again. Again not to diss the Chinese system as a whole or the single mindedness of the CCP to push hard research.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/13/worl ... ndals.html
Fraud Scandals Sap China’s Dream of Becoming a Science Superpower

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/07/ ... view-fraud
China cracks down after investigation finds massive peer-review fraud

https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/cra ... 13.article
Crackdown on science fraud in China after string of scandals

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies ... arch-truth
Are China’s scientists more interested in cash than the search for truth?

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Postby chola » 21 Feb 2018 07:06

Korean (Hwang) and Japani (Obokata) scientists of the highest level in cloning and stem cells were also caught up in fraud scandals. Instances of fraud could be field-related or, in the cases mentioned, cultural — East Asians in general might have a tendency to cheat?

But in business analytics, fraud cases in a perverse way actually point to a large frothy competitive environment that can create innovation. A small scientific community with little competitive pressure rarely produces fraud.

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Postby Singha » 21 Feb 2018 08:46

well well well....
China Dropped Its One-Child Policy. So Why Aren’t Chinese Women Having More Babies?
http://comment-news.com/source/www.nyti ... ghts.html/
The government’s latest demographic program has unmistakably eugenic undertones.

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Postby nandakumar » 21 Feb 2018 09:11

Singha wrote:well well well....
China Dropped Its One-Child Policy. So Why Aren’t Chinese Women Having More Babies?
http://comment-news.com/source/www.nyti ... ghts.html/
The government’s latest demographic program has unmistakably eugenic undertones.

Not a very serious problem for China. They will simply mandate that all women in the reproductive age must have more than one child. If their efforts do not crucify the woman and her spouse must submit to in vitro fertilisation, donor sperm mode of conception, state-funded maternity leave of absence for eligible women in the reproductive age group. I am not being facetious. In the Chinese scheme of things it is all very conceivable.

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Postby SSridhar » 21 Feb 2018 09:26

China outbids India for stake in Dhaka Stock Exchange - The Hindu
Bangladesh has agreed to sell a large stake in its stock exchange to a Chinese consortium, an official said on Tuesday, rebuffing a rival bid from India that raised political sensitivities.

The Dhaka Stock Exchange on February 10 had approved the Chinese offer to buy a quarter of the bourse’s 1.8 billion shares, but Bangladesh’s financial regulator asked it to “further scrutinise” the decision.

“The board has reconfirmed its decision about approving the Chinese consortium’s bid as it is higher than its nearest competitor’s,” said stock exchange spokesman Shafiqur Rahman after the meeting on Monday.

India’s NSE had offered 15 taka ($0.18) per share during the tender process this month. China’s Shanghai and Shenzhen stock exchanges made a joint higher bid of 22 taka per share, or $122 million, and offered additional technical support worth nearly $37 million.


Allegations of meddling

The intervention by the Bangladesh Securities and Exchange Commission in the sale sparked allegations in local media that it was trying to favour India. The Bangladesh office of Transparency International, the Berlin-based corruption watchdog, issued a statement “strongly condemning” what it called unethical and illegal meddling. The regulator — which, at the time, defended its final authority to override decisions made by the stock exchange — was not immediately available for comment. The competing bids have exposed tensions in Bangladesh as it juggles growing interest from China against long-standing ties with its huge neighbour India.

New Delhi threw its weight behind the 2014 elections that returned Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina to power, despite boycotts by the opposition who feared the vote would be rigged.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government has made big investments in Bangladesh and Indian companies have won multi-billion contracts in key sectors in recent years.

But increasingly it must counter China, which has also courted India’s arch-rival Pakistan and strategic Indian Ocean nations including Sri Lanka and the Maldives.

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Postby Singha » 21 Feb 2018 09:48

khaleda zia was recently given a 5 yr sentence for corruption case. it is under appeal.

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Postby Singha » 21 Feb 2018 09:50

perhaps eugenically proven trained and funded "stud men" would also be part of the program. athletic, healthy, degree in some STEM, right family background, politically loyal, no disobedient tendencies...they get to spread their "seed" far and wide as in the animal world while a lot of males will be sidelined.

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Postby chola » 21 Feb 2018 13:48

Singha wrote:perhaps eugenically proven trained and funded "stud men" would also be part of the program. athletic, healthy, degree in some STEM, right family background, politically loyal, no disobedient tendencies...they get to spread their "seed" far and wide as in the animal world while a lot of males will be sidelined.


The culling of a large cross section of men is already happening organically in Cheen through the inflation of the “bride price” which is the reverse of our dowry.

Most chini men in the rural areas are effectively locked out of the marriage market because they can’t afford the price. Entire lineages die out because they can’t afford to give a home, a car or enough cash for a woman to marry into their family.

http://shanghaiist.com/2017/11/23/mother-suicide-betrothal-gift.php

Marriage (and children) is reserved for the wealthy only. But the wealthy usually have the best brains not necessarily the best bodies. That is where the genetics come in. Chinis wealthy enough to marry and breed will improve their bloodlines by changing their DNA. Ethics will keep people in Western nations from doing this. It won’t in Cheen.

All of this point to an even greater softening of this race of rice-eating non-warriors in the future. If only the wealthy can marry then their scions would be far less likely to charge up hills when commanded so by their generals.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby shiv » 21 Feb 2018 20:43

Improving bloodlines by changing DNA is bullshit of the highest order. Cannot be done apart from the fact that bloodline means nothing specific. That said there is a very well known age old method for women to change half their childrens genes by cuckoldry. Mate with a strong garderner a la Lady Chatterley's Lover

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Postby anupmisra » 21 Feb 2018 20:57

nandakumar wrote:In the Chinese scheme of things it is all very conceivable.


No pun intended.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby sanjaykumar » 21 Feb 2018 21:22

Not to fear, India has Lady Chatterjee’s lover.

It is inevitable that the Chinese will continue CRISPER and other approaches to the human genome. It’s already started.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby chola » 21 Feb 2018 21:28

shiv wrote:Improving bloodlines by changing DNA is bullshit of the highest order. Cannot be done apart from the fact that bloodline means nothing specific. That said there is a very well known age old method for women to change half their childrens genes by cuckoldry. Mate with a strong garderner a la Lady Chatterley's Lover


Banging the average gardener in Cheen won’t give them blondes. lol

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10328132/Rich-Chinese-hire-American-surrogate-mothers-for-up-to-120000-a-child.html

others want tall, Eurasian children, agents said. "Lots of clients that are Chinese do use tall blond donors," said Jennifer Garcia, case coordinator at Extraordinary Conceptions, a Carlsbad, California-based agency where 40 per cent of clients are Chinese.

Agents said that clients believe these taller, biracial children will be smarter and better looking.

Chinese clients also often request boys, a consequence of a cultural preference for boy children.


If they are willing to do that with surrogates what makes them flinch at splicing genes from caucasians to start with and then directly manipulating the DNA somewhere down the future?

All it takes is time and money. And a complete lack of ethics.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby nam » 21 Feb 2018 22:13

Got a chance to watch Wolf warrior 2 recently. Thought Bollywood makes lousy movies, the Chinese are even worse.

It is out and out propaganda movie, however the Chinese are yet to learn the American/ Hollywood way of making propaganda movies.

There was stuff like "We are chinese" similar to "we are americans and we are here to help up/everyone likes us".
"Chinese forces don't enter combat zone without UN approval", so the Chinese rambo volunters to do the dirty work.

So it was about a Chinese spec off guy, wronged by the system helping save inocent people in Africa, against a raging insurgents and "white mercenary from europe". Similar to the famous Rambo.

This may be off-topic, however something to consider is if this is how the Chinese see themselves or a story writer's imagination running wild.

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Postby Singha » 21 Feb 2018 23:10

At one time when playing catchup to europe, japan was beset with self doubt and seriously considered improving its breeding stock by importing european men and women
I will try to dig up more on this

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby anupmisra » 22 Feb 2018 00:03

nam wrote:Got a chance to watch Wolf warrior 2 recently. Thought Bollywood makes lousy movies, the Chinese are even worse.


Note the shape-shifting evil japani plane change from a Zero to a Stuka, and see the brave mainland han handle the dire situation with ingenuity. This will certainly bring tears to one's glass eye.


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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby SSridhar » 22 Feb 2018 06:38

Singha wrote:At one time when playing catchup to europe, japan was beset with self doubt and seriously considered improving its breeding stock by importing european men and women
I will try to dig up more on this

I think that you are referring to the Meiji Restoration period in the second half of the 19th century.

The Japanese reformers wanted to emulate the west (and did do that and lay the foundation for industrialization etc) but I am not sure if they wanted to encourage cross-breeding as a policy to improve their stock.

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Postby sanjaykumar » 22 Feb 2018 06:43

There was most definitely such debate within Japan at the time, as I have posted here previously. This would have been an extreme step for a society in which halfus are reviled. Again much like India. Only I am not aware of any such deference to the European in India. Although I have come across Brahmanical contempt for the Angrez.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby SSridhar » 22 Feb 2018 06:52

Bangladesh influx part of Pakistan’s proxy war with China aid: Army chief - ToI
A “planned” influx of people from Bangladesh into India’s north-eastern region is underway as part of a proxy war being waged by Pakistan, with support from China, to keep the area disturbed, said General Bipin Rawat here [New Delhi] on Wednesday.

The Army chief took recourse to the “faster” growth of the Badruddin Ajmal-led AIUDF (All India United Democratic Front) in Assam, as compared to the BJP in the country in the 1980s, to buttress his point on the increase in Muslim population in several districts of the state in the backdrop of the National Register of Citizens being updated and finalised to detect illegal immigrants there.

“There is a party called AIUDF. If you look at it, they have grown in a faster time-frame than the BJP grew over the years,” said Gen Rawat, while referring to the BJP winning only 2 seats in 1984. “The AIDUF is moving at a faster pace in Assam,” he added, during a conference on bridging gaps and securing borders in the Northeast region.

The Army chief then went on to stress that the “proxy game” was being executed by “our western neighbour (Pakistan)”, with support from across the “northern border (China)”, to keep the area disturbed. “They will always try and ensure that this area is taken over, playing the proxy dimension of warfare. The solution lies in identifying the problem and holistically looking at it,” he said.


Pointing out that it was no longer possible to change the population dynamics of Assam, with Muslim majority increasing from five districts earlier to eight to nine districts now, the Army chief said efforts should be made to “amalgamate” the people living in the region. The Union government is taking several measures to ensure development of the entire region, which will help in sorting out many problems. Migration, of course, is also taking place from Bangladesh because of shrinking land space in the country due to several factors, including floods, said Gen Rawat.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Chandragupta » 22 Feb 2018 16:58

chola wrote:
All of this point to an even greater softening of this race of rice-eating non-warriors in the future. If only the wealthy can marry then their scions would be far less likely to charge up hills when commanded so by their generals.


They may not need to, Chola guru. The Chinese are making advancements in AI and Robotics. Before this happens, I am sure they will have some kind of robotic army ready.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Iyersan » 22 Feb 2018 17:11

The army chief nailed the issue


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