Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Ravi Karumanchiri » 06 Dec 2018 21:18

^^^^^^^^

"It fits with how the Chinese intelligence services think about things. It's all very long range,"


TRANSLATION.....

While singing our own praises and imagineering a 'New American Century' built on 'Total Situational Awareness" and full-spectrum domination......... How can we think beyond next quarter?"

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Postby SBajwa » 07 Dec 2018 01:55

How accurate is this movie about 1967 encounter with China


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Postby chanakyaa » 07 Dec 2018 09:03


The strange thing is that there is not a single picture or a sneaky video of this Huawei executive being arrested, taken away from her apartment or hotel, being taken to judge for hearing, Chinese ambassador rushing to court etc. etc. Lots of stock pictures, logos, words, and colorful headlines.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby SSridhar » 08 Dec 2018 15:13

U.S. accuses Huawei CFO of Iran sanctions cover-up; hearing adjourned to Monday - Reuters
Huawei Technologies Co Ltd’s Chief Financial Officer faces U.S. accusations that she covered up her company's links to a firm that tried to sell equipment to Iran despite sanctions, a Canadian prosecutor said on Friday, arguing against giving her bail while she awaits extradition.

After nearly six hours of arguments and counter-arguments, no decision was reached and the hearing was adjourned until Monday 10:00 a.m. Pacific Time (1800 GMT).

The case against Meng Wanzhou, who is also the daughter of the founder of Huawei, stems from a 2013 Reuters report about the company's close ties to Hong Kong-based Skycom Tech Co Ltd, which attempted to sell U.S. equipment to Iran despite U.S. and European Union bans, the prosecutor told a Vancouver court.

U.S. prosecutors argue that Ms. Meng was not truthful to banks who asked her about links between the two firms, the court heard on Friday.
If extradited to the United States, Ms. Meng would face charges of conspiracy to defraud multiple financial institutions, the court heard, with a maximum sentence of 30 years for each charge.

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Postby SSridhar » 08 Dec 2018 15:20

More countries threaten Huawei ban as arrest clouds US-China ties - Saibal Dasgupta, ToI
The arrest of a top-ranking officer of one of China’s leading tech companies on charges of technology theft and misuse has given a new twist to the trade and technology war between Washington and Beijing, even as the company ran into trouble in other countries — mainly Japan, which banned its government staff from buying Huawei devices, and the UK, which made the firm submit to special security norms to continue to operate. Huawei even pledged to spend $2 billion to address security issues raised by Britain.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Guddu » 08 Dec 2018 22:24

Remember when Xi was sitting on jhulaa with Modi, and the Chinese entered Indian territory. Now US does the same.
Xi and Trump having dinner, while they arrest Huawei exec.

Looks like the US is following the Chinese hand book.

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Postby Neshant » 09 Dec 2018 11:43

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Postby Neshant » 09 Dec 2018 11:44

Guddu wrote:Remember when Xi was sitting on jhulaa with Modi, and the Chinese entered Indian territory. Now US does the same.
Xi and Trump having dinner, while they arrest Huawei exec.

Looks like the US is following the Chinese hand book.


+1

China is now threatening Canada.

But if they move on Canada on the trade front, they are going to see some real fireworks from the US.

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Postby SSridhar » 09 Dec 2018 16:29

India, China to resume military drills after one year gap - PTI
BEIJING: India and China will resume their joint military drills after a one-year gap on Tuesday in the southwest Chinese city of Chengdu to improve capabilities in fighting terrorism and promote mutual understanding, officials said on Sunday.

The opening ceremony of the drills will be held on December 11, they said.

Each side will send 100 troops to take part in the 7th India and China joint military exercises - 'Hand in Hand' - which will focus on counter-terrorism operations, Chinese Defence Ministry spokesman Col Ren Guoqiang said last month.


The exercises will be held after a gap of one year as both the sides were locked in a 73-day standoff in Doklam in the Sikkim sector of the border in 2017.

The strained relations between the two sides later improved resulting in an informal summit between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping in the Chinese city of Wuhan in April this year.

"The drill will promote understanding between the two militaries and improving their capabilities in fighting terrorism," Col Ren said.

The exercises, which will conclude on December 23, will include live shooting and adoptive and basic training, he said, adding that true to its name 'Hand in Hand', China and Indian militaries should also work hand in hand for the benefit of people in both the nation.


Top leaders from both the countries met on November 24 at the 21st India-China border talks held at Dujiangyan near Chengdu in southwestern Sichuan province. National Security Advisor Ajit Doval and China's State Councillor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi, who are the designated Special Representatives, took part in the talks.

They called for intensifying efforts to find a solution to the vexed border dispute.

Earlier at the 9th Defence dialogue held here on November 13 between Defence Secretary Sanjay Mitra and Lt Gen Shao Yuanming, Deputy Chief of Joint Staff Department of Central Military Commission, the two sides discussed bilateral relations, military ties, border control as well as regional and international issues.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby SSridhar » 10 Dec 2018 13:16

Beijing summons US ambassador over arrest of Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou - Straits Times
Beijing on Sunday (Dec 9) summoned US Ambassador to China Terry Branstad and demanded that the United States withdraw the arrest warrant against a top Huawei executive detained in Canada.

Chinese Vice-Foreign Minister Le Yucheng made solemn representations and lodged strong protests with Mr Bransted for the “unreasonable” request that the US made to Canada to arrest Ms Meng Wanzhou while she was on transit in Vancouver.

“China will take further action based on US’ actions,” he said, according to a statement on the Chinese Foreign Ministry’s website released last night, noting the “very nasty nature” of the US action.

“The Chinese side resolutely opposes this and strongly urges the US to attach great importance to China’s solemn stance,” he said.

This comes after Mr Le made a similar protest to Canada’s ambassador in Beijing on Saturday.


Ms Meng, chief financial officer of Huawei and daughter of the company’s founder, was arrested on Dec 1. She has been accused of being personally involved in tricking banks into violating US sanctions on Iran.

Her arrest has angered Beijing and heightened tensions between China and the US just days after both countries called a ceasefire on their on-going trade war.

Last Friday, her first bail hearing was held at the Supreme Court of British Columbia. The hearing will continue Monday.

The case has attracted widespread attention in China with state media slamming Canada for the arrest, calling it an act to humiliate China as well as a violation of human rights.

They warned that Canada risked facing severe consequences, including severe sanctions from China, if Ms Meng’s case is not handled properly and in a humane manner.

Reuters reported that US Senator Marco Rubio told CBS Face the Nation on Sunday he would “100 per cent absolutely” introduce something in the new Congress that would ban Chinese telecom firms from doing business in the United States.


“We have to understand Chinese companies are not like American companies. OK. We can’t even get Apple to crack an iPhone for us in a terrorist investigation,” he said.

“When the Chinese ask a telecom company, we want you to turn over all the data you’ve gathered in the country you’re operating in, they will do it. No court order. Nothing like that. They will just do it. They have to. We need to understand that.”

A commentary in the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) official People’s Daily said Canada will pay “a heavy price” if it does not “correct its mistake”.

While China would not “cause trouble”, it also did not fear trouble, said the commentary by Zhong Sheng, which means “voice of China”, a pen name often used by the newspaper to express its views on foreign policy

“No one should underestimate China’s confidence, will and strength,” it added.

Since the news of Ms Meng's arrest broke last Thursday, Beijing has repeatedly demanded her immediate release and insisted that Canada has infringed on the lawful, legitimate rights of a Chinese citizen.

The commentaries and editorials in Chinese state media admonished Canada for its treatment of Ms Meng as a dangerous criminal, handcuffing her at the airport and making her wear ankle restraints after her first bail hearing.

Said an editorial in the China Daily: "Meng is a middle-aged woman, who has health issues and is still in recovery from neck surgery in May, yet she is being treated as a violent offender.

"It is hard to escape the conclusion that her treatment is something of a show trial intended to humiliate her and China."

The English-language state-owned newspaper said the Chinese telecom giant is a "bête noire" for the US as the company is trying to be a global leader of the emerging 5G technology.

"(T)he US administration wants to reserve that spot for US companies," it added.


The nationalistic Global Times had harsher words for Canada.

The CCP-linked tabloid said: "It does not serve Canada's national interest if it intends to fawn over the US by treating Ms Meng unjustly."

The editorial warned that if Ms Meng is refused bail and extradited to the US, "Canada will get minimal gratitude from the US, but maximum opposition from China".

"Chinese people will take the issue seriously, and will ask the Chinese government to impose severe sanctions on Canada," it said.


"Canadian public interest will definitely be impaired if Sino-Canadian relations are put at a risk of major retrogression."

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Postby Dumal » 10 Dec 2018 14:15


the “very nasty nature” of the US action.

...warned that Canada risked facing severe consequences, including severe sanctions from China, if Ms Meng’s case is not handled properly and in a humane manner.

...Canada will pay “a heavy price” if it does not “correct its mistake”.

While China would not “cause trouble”, it also did not fear trouble ....

“No one should underestimate China’s confidence, will and strength”.

"It is hard to escape the conclusion that her treatment is something of a show trial intended to humiliate her and China."

"It does not serve Canada's national interest if it intends to fawn over the US by treating Ms Meng unjustly. Canada will get minimal gratitude from the US, but maximum opposition from China".

"Chinese people will take the issue seriously, and will ask the Chinese government to impose severe sanctions on Canada. Canadian public interest will definitely be impaired if Sino-Canadian relations are put at a risk of major retrogression."


mmmh... The barks this time seem to be more measured and mostly diplomatic, compared to what we heard on a daily basis during the Doka La stand-off. I wish I had saved all of those crude, undiplomatic rants from last year. Is the difference that they realize crazy rants are not going to be very effective in this case or they see a private citizen/company issue does not merit more?

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Postby ArjunPandit » 11 Dec 2018 00:53

^^no because according to chinese canadians and US are first world country and we are third world only. Not to forget, they expect SCMP and gobar times rants to be sufficient to make india retreat. For we did not have food supply to support our troops (One chinese fanboy actually said this to me on WSJ when asked to point, he did a paki)

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby sanjaykumar » 11 Dec 2018 04:55

So what is this penalty they will impose on Canada?

The extended families of chicom party members will stop seeking safe havens in Vancouver?

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Dumal wrote:
mmmh... The barks this time seem to be more measured and mostly diplomatic, compared to what we heard on a daily basis during the Doka La stand-off. I wish I had saved all of those crude, undiplomatic rants from last year.

Dumal, I have them.

The behaviour of Chinese government, its various departments, media etc during the entire episode of Doka La (which lasted for three months) demands a complete analysis. The result conveys two Chinese mindsets: its imperialistic behaviour on the one hand and its street-bully behaviour on the other. It let loose its state-run media as well as the hawkish Global Times with invectives and abuse of India and Indian leaders. These threatened India with consequences. They spun false stories while accusing Indian leaders as ‘liars’. Listed below are some of those statements, since the time the Doka La issue first appeared in Indian news media on June 24, 2017:
On June 28, 2017, a Global Times article said, “Indian troops' provocation brings disgrace to themselves. They should be forced to retreat by all necessary means. This time the Indian side needs to be taught the rules. India cannot afford a showdown with China on border issues. It lags far behind China in terms of national strength and the so-called strategic support for it from the US is superficial. It's not time for India to display arrogance toward China ".

On June 29, 2017, China's Defence spokesman Col Wu Qian rejected as "extremely irresponsible" Army chief General Bipin Rawat's remarks that India is ready for a two-and-a-half front war, asking him to "stop clamouring for war". “"We hope that the particular person in the Indian Army could learn from historical lessons and stop such clamouring for war,"

On July 5, an editorial in Global Times said, “Jaitley is right that the India of 2017 is different from that of 1962 - India will suffer greater losses than in 1962 if it incites military conflicts. If New Delhi believes that its military might can be used as leverage in the Donglang area, and it's ready for a two-and-a-half front war, we have to tell India that the Chinese look down on their military power, We firmly believe that the face-off in the Donglang area will end up with the Indian troops in retreat. The Indian military can choose to return to its territory with dignity, or be kicked out of the area by Chinese soldiers. This time, we must teach New Delhi a bitter lesson

On July 5, Global Times published several opinions from academecians: Hu Zhiyong, a research fellow at the Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences said, "In 1962, the People's Liberation Army still achieved an overwhelming victory in the military conflict against the Indian army with really poor logistics conditions. Nowadays, the situation is entirely different from 1962, so we hope India will not do anything irrational for its own good, otherwise it will pay more than in the past,"

On July 6, 2017, an op-ed in Global Times, while assailing India for its hegemony over tiny Himalayan states and asking the world to take note of Indian bullying, asserted that, “Beijing should reconsider its stance over the Sikkim issue. Although China recognized India's annexation of Sikkim in 2003, it can readjust its stance on the matter. There are those in Sikkim that cherish its history as a separate state, and they are sensitive to how the outside world views the Sikkim issue.” It also said that China should lead the international community in restoring Bhutan's diplomatic and defense sovereignty.

On July 8, in an article written in Global Times, Long Xingchun, director of the Centre for Indian Studies at China West Normal University said, “For a long time, India has been talking about international equality and non-interference in the internal affairs of others, but it has pursued hegemonic diplomacy in South Asia, seriously violating the UN Charter and undermining the basic norms of international relations. Through mass immigration to Sikkim, ultimately leading to control of the Sikkim parliament, India annexed Sikkim as one of its states. This incursion reflects that India fears China can quickly separate mainland India from northeast India through military means, dividing India into two pieces. In this case, northeast India might take the opportunity to become independent

On July 18, 2017, Chinese media once again started their aggression after what seemed to be a small interregnum. A commentary in the hawkish Global Times accused India of "repeatedly making provocations" since the 1962 war, the latest of which was Donglang, it said. “China must be prepared for future conflicts and confrontation. China can take further countermeasures along the Line of Actual Control (LAC). If India stirs up conflicts in several spots, it must face the consequence of an all-out confrontation with China along the entire LAC. China doesn't fear going to war to safeguard sovereignty either, and will make itself ready for a long-term confrontation"

On July 19, 2017, Foreign Secretary S.Jaishankar told an Indian Parliamentary Panel that China has been unusually aggressive and articulate on the Doka La issue. One member of the panel said, "Jaishankar told us that China's aggression and rhetoric on the recent standoff is unusual but it is not that complicated as it is being projected in some quarters. We will continue to engage with them through diplomatic channels,"

On July 19, Global Times published another op-ed where it said “India is weaker than China in terms of national strength, but its strategists and politicians have shown no wisdom in preventing India's China policy from being kidnapped by rising nationalism. This will put India's own interests in jeopardy. India should be careful and not let religious nationalism push the two countries into war.”

On July 19, the Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Lu Kang, while dismissing any possibility of talks, said, "We have stated many times that we hope the Indian side will get a clear understanding of the situation (and) immediately take measures to withdraw the troops that illegally crossed the border back to the Indian side of the border."

On July 19, Liu Youfa, former Chinese Consul General in Mumbai and now a strategic affairs expert, told state broadcaster China Central Television's English-language channel, “They [Indian soldiers] can pull out voluntarily. Or, they can be captured. And should the border dispute escalate, they maybe killed. These are the three possibilities.”

On July 21, commenting about Ms. Sushma Swaraj’s speech in Indian Parliament the previous day, a Global Times article said, “She was lying to the parliament. First, India's invasion of Chinese territory is a plain fact. New Delhi's impetuous action stuns the international community. No other country will support India's aggression. Second, India's military strength is far behind that of China. If the conflict between China and India escalates to the intensity where their row has to be resolved through military means, India will surely lose. China cannot afford to "lose an inch" of territory. This is the sacred wish and request of the Chinese people. The PLA's mobility and logistics capability cannot be matched by that of its Indian counterpart. PLA troops may appear in any area beyond the line of actual control that was previously controlled by India. The China-India border area may become a stage where China showcases the achievement of its long-term military development and reforms. India should by no means count on support from the US and Japan because their support is illusory. If India fancies the idea that it has a strategic card to play in the Indian Ocean, it could not be even more naïve. China does hold a lot of cards and can hit India's Achilles' heel, but India has no leverage at all to have a strategic showdown with China.

On July 24, 2017, the Chinese Defence Ministry warned India not to harbour any illusions about the Chinese military's ability to defend its territory. "Shaking a mountain is easy but shaking the People's Liberation Army is hard. We strongly urge India to take practical steps+ to correct its mistake, cease provocations, and meet China halfway in jointly safeguarding the border region's peace and tranquility. I would like to remind the Indian side: Do not push your luck and do not hold any illusion. India should not leave things to luck and not harbour any unrealistic illusions" ministry spokesman Wu Qian told a briefing.

On July 24, an op-ed in Global Times said, “To such an unruly neighbor, China should reciprocate in a language that India can understand. The famous or infamous India bravado is never backed up by substance in its history with China. If memory is short on the Indian side, perhaps there should be a second lesson. China is embarking on a historic mission to be a peaceful, prosperous and powerful nation as it has been in history. It can't afford to be constantly distracted by border skirmishes with India.”

On July 24, on the eve of NSA Ajit Doval’s trip to Beijing to attend the BRICS National Security Advisor’s meet, Global Times wrote an editorial, “Beijing is firm that India's withdrawal from Chinese territory is a precondition and a basis for any meaningful dialogue between the two sides. The Chinese side will not talk with India on the issue before the Indian troops' unconditional withdrawal from Chinese territory. New Delhi should give up its illusions . . . Doval will inevitably be disappointed if he attempts to bargain with Beijing over the border disputes . . . New Delhi must give up all its illusions. India's voluntary withdrawal will incur the least cost to it. If Beijing takes countermeasures, New Delhi will be mired in a more passive political and military situation, and face its most serious strategic setback since 1962. China's GDP is five times and its defense budget four times that of India's, but this is not the only source of our strength. Justice is on China's side, and Beijing is righteous and resolute to require New Delhi to unconditionally withdraw its troops.”

On July 31, Global Times published four articles. The third one opined that contrary to India’s hyper nationalistic fervor, the Chinese are remaining calm over the Doka La issue :rotfl: . The fourth said that unconditional withdrawal was the only way for Indian troops from the standoff. It said, “China will make no concessions over the territorial issue nor will it yield to anyone when it comes to national security. It would be wise for India to pull back its troops as soon as possible, instead of just beating around the bush or bargaining with China in the name of Bhutan. None of these can help solve the problem.”

On August 1, in a one-hour speech in Beijing marking the 90th anniversary of the founding of the People’s Liberation Army, President Xi Jinping issued a tough line on national sovereignty Tuesday amid multiple territorial disputes with his country’s neighbors, saying China will never permit the loss of “any piece” of its land to outsiders. “The Chinese people treasure peace and we absolutely do not engage in invasion and expansion. However, we have the confidence to conquer all forms of invasion. We absolutely will not permit any person, any organization, any political party at any time, in any form to separate any piece of Chinese territory from China. No one should expect us to swallow the bitter fruit of damage to our sovereignty, security and development interests.”.

On August 2, the Chinese Deputy Chief of Mission Liu Jinsong told Indian journalists in New Delhi, “The troops should be withdrawn immediately, otherwise there will be serious consequences. Even one Indian soldier violating Chinese sovereignty is too many. We cannot bear that for another hour, another day, and they must be pulled out immediately.” When pressed further about consequences, he said, “The Chinese side has made no mention of any military options at present. At the 90 year ceremony for the PLA President Xi said China has many options to guarantee peace, but the military option is the fundamental guarantor of sovereignty.”

On August 3, in a late night press meet, Ren Guoqiang, a spokesperson of the Chinese defence ministry, in a statement called on the Indian side to swiftly address the situation in a proper manner to restore peace and tranquillity in the border region. "Since the incident occurred, China has shown utmost goodwill and sought to communicate with India through diplomatic channels to resolve the incident. Chinese armed forces have also shown a high level of restraint with an eye to the general bilateral relations and the regional peace and stability, However, goodwill has its principles and restraint has its bottom line. India should give up its illusion of its delaying tactic, as no country should underestimate the Chinese forces' confidence and capability to safeguard peace and their resolve and willpower to defend national sovereignty, security and development interests

On August 4, Global Times quoted Hu Zhiyong, a research fellow at the Institute of International Relations of the Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences, as saying, “The series of remarks from the Chinese side within a 24-hour period sends a signal to India that there is no way China will tolerate the Indian troops' incursion into Chinese territory for too long. If India refuses to withdraw, China may conduct a small-scale military operation within two weeks. China will inform India's foreign ministry before undertaking any such operation.”

On August 4, China Central Television (CCTV) reported that Tibet military region conducted live fire exercises in recent days in Tibet. "The exercises are a sign that China could use military means to end the standoff and the chances of doing so are increasing as the Indian side is still saying one thing and doing another," Zhao Gancheng, director of the Center for Asia-Pacific Studies at the Shanghai Institute for International Studies, told the Global Times. Zhao warned India that the patience of China was withering away, and it doesn't want the ongoing faceoff to cast any influence on the forthcoming BRICS Summit.

On August 8, Xinhua published a commentary that said, “India should underestimate neither China's determination nor its capacity to defend its sovereignty and national interests. India's thinking is, at best, wishful: China will eventually back down. It would be both foolish and dangerous for China to allow India to think that it can keep chipping away at Chinese national interests. But restraint has limits and with every day that passes the tether shortens. China, eventually, will do whatever is required to safeguard its interests. India must dispel all illusions and avoid disastrous consequences."

On August 10, 2017, the Government of Bhutan pointedly refuted a Chinese foreign ministry claim that Bhutan had conveyed through diplomatic channels to China that the trilateral border stand-off area in Doklam in the Sikkim sector is not its territory. Chinese diplomat Wang Wenli, deputy director general of the Department of Boundary and Ocean Affairs in China's foreign ministry, had earlier made this stunning claim to Indian journalists. Official sources in the Bhutanese Government said, “Our position on the border issue of Doklam is very clear. Please refer to our statement which has been published on the web site of Bhutan’s foreign ministry on June 29, 2017.”

On August 11, a Chinese military officer was quoted by South China Morning Post as saying, “The PLA will not seek to fight a ground war with Indian troops early on. Instead it will deploy aircraft and strategic missiles to paralyse Indian mountain divisions stationed in the Himalayas on the border with China. Another military source said that officers and troops from the Western Theatre Command have already been told to prepare for war with India over the Doklam crisis. “There is a voice within the army telling it to fight because it was Indian troops that intruded into Chinese territory in Donglang [Doklam],” Both sources said that China’s military believes any conflict will be controlled, and not spill over into other disputed areas. However, Indian defence experts warned that once the first shot is fired, the conflict may escalate into full-scale war.

On August 13, the staff of China Eastern Airlines misbehaved with several Indian transit passengers at Shanghai Pudong international airport.
The matter has been taken up with the Shanghai Foreign Affairs Office of the Chinese Foreign Ministry and Pudong airport authorities after it was brought to the notice of External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj

On August 15, expat Chinese-Australians in a fleet of supercars, organized by a Sydney-based Australian Chinese automobile club protested in front of the Indian Consulate featuring slogans including: "Borderline is our baseline;" "China: Not even a bit can be left behind;" and, "Anyone who offends China will be killed no matter how far the target is."

On August 17, Xinhua released a racist explainer video “7 Sins of India”— presented in English for a Western audience — that mocks a stereotypical Indian (portrayed by a Chinese actor wearing a fake turban and beard) while painting an aggrieved and one-sided picture of events in the disputed border plateau. It mockingly accuses “thick skinned” New Delhi of trespass, violating convention, not knowing right from wrong, hijacking Bhutan and sticking to its mistakes. “Didn’t your mumma tell you, never break the law?” the female presenter appeals.

On August 18, the Indian MEA spokesperson said that China has stopped sharing hydrological data on the Brahmaputra river.

On August 19, Hu Zhiyong, a research fellow at the Institute of International Relations of the Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences, said China cannot be expected to fulfil its obligation when India has no regards for its neighbour`s sovereignty. China will not agree to carry out normal cooperation on hydrological data with India unless it agrees to withdraw troops from Doklam, the Global Times quoted him as saying. The Academy of Social Sciences closely monitors the transboundary water policies of China.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Dumal » 11 Dec 2018 15:09

SSridhar wrote:Dumal, I have them.

....demands a complete analysis.
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Wow! Thank you SSridhar for saving them... all in exquisite detail with contexts and verbatim quotes!!!

Yes it must be a treasure trove for expert psychoanalysts! In addition to insulting our EAM, FM and Army Chief by name, interesting how they call out and disparage any outside support from US and Japan and how they ramble on fancifully about dismembering the NE and liberating Sikkim etc.

Sad for them, all of it still meant barking up a tree when it came to India! :rotfl:

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby ArjunPandit » 11 Dec 2018 21:06

Do we have the gobar times video mocking indians through sikhs? 7 sins of india?

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby ArjunPandit » 11 Dec 2018 21:20

Meanwhile in the huawei case
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1131399.shtml

The US and Canada are undoubtedly abusing their judicial systems, which are strong and give them extra power. Washington should not attempt to use its domestic laws as strategic support for its commercial and diplomatic competition around the world. There is no doubt that the US actions are political, as the thin veneer of justice cannot conceal the political motives.

Freudian slip, that their judicial system is ....should they also buy power from Russia??

Other countries are at a disadvantage in legal contests against the US due to their relative weakness in judicial and legal experience. But beyond the hypocritical scheme of Washington, the sovereignty and interests of countries are more real than US legal traps. Countermeasures by other countries will surely emerge to safeguard their legal rights and dignity in all possible ways.

Can't do anything but will wait for right time and right pawns to get back to you

At the bail hearing there was much talk about judicial details, which unwittingly made many believe in the legitimacy of the process. It seemed Meng's capture was purely a legal matter to determine whether she should be freed. We believe that the bail debate took place amid the context of the US, for political and security reasons, encircling, suppressing and discriminating against Huawei.

Believe? Didnt the Chinese consulate officials not present there? what are they being paid for by CPC???? Driving cars for their kids.

The Canadian elites ought to understand that the case is political. As many mainstream US media have pointed out, many transnational corporations have actually violated US sanctions against Iran because of the complex international supply chain. The selective enforcement against Huawei, especially this sudden criminal arrest, constitutes a serious violation of the spirit of the law and will have a fatal impact on the global business order.

China ought to understand that pakification of canada isn't mature yet. It will take some time then they will be more pliable to confusian sermons. That said, it's saying ot policeman that everyone jumped the light, why me?

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby SSridhar » 11 Dec 2018 21:36

Oh...many Indian elites in think tanks are taking apart US & Canada on the Huawei issue.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 11 Dec 2018 21:46

SSridhar wrote:Oh...many Indian elites in think tanks are taking apart US & Canada on the Huawei issue.

where? Well as Stathom said in transporter "You're not the first, and you won't be last". These are just opening punches in a long bout. The only sad thing is that US has made china a challenger like Soviet russia far too soon, without a single shot (real) being fired by the chinese. Nevertheless, good to see the unravelling of kissinger crap

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby ArjunPandit » 11 Dec 2018 22:11

Not sure where to put this,
https://www.wsj.com/articles/japan-unve ... 1544524822
this was obvious for a bit of time, but now that it will be official soon, expect wailings from SCMP/gobar times oh there is already there.
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1131304.shtml
These guys are fast, but then the "love" of communism (read dread of gobi manchurian or siberain ice cream ) has always been so since the days of koreolov.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Prasad » 11 Dec 2018 22:34

SSridhar wrote:Oh...many Indian elites in think tanks are taking apart US & Canada on the Huawei issue.

It is fun watching from the sidelines, listening to the arguments from both sides is it not? Each side trying to play the moral high ground gambit while being lower than the other in truth. Much to watch and learn for us Indians in this drama. Including shutting up and not indulging in shutting up and not pointing and laughing at the chinese. They made the mistake of blustering too soon on their way up. Guess what will happen if we get going. All this hungama about iran and noko is just a 'saaku'/excuse to swat china down before they get too independent and better than the west.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Singha » 11 Dec 2018 23:23

cheen has upheld the qualcomm lawsuit on apple for iphone6 and may ban the sale of those phones in cheen soon.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby nam » 11 Dec 2018 23:30

Good. Increases the value of access to our market. Apple may move some of the production out of Cheen to show off it's anger.

Vietnam is making good of this fight. Hope we are getting some bits.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Singha » 12 Dec 2018 00:24

Move comes after police in Canada arrested the chief financial officer of China’s Huawei Technologies on December 1 at the request of US authorities

UPDATED : Tuesday, 11 December, 2018, 9:58pm

A former Canadian diplomat has been detained in China, two sources said on Tuesday, and his current employer, the International Crisis Group, said it was seeking his prompt and safe release.

Michael Kovrig’s detention comes after police in Canada arrested the chief financial officer of China’s Huawei Technologies on December 1 at the request of US authorities, a move that infuriated Beijing.

It was not immediately clear if the cases were related, but the arrest of Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou in Vancouver has stoked fears of reprisals against the foreign business community in China.

“International Crisis Group is aware of reports that its North East Asia senior adviser, Michael Kovrig, has been detained in China,” the think tank said in a statement.

“We are doing everything possible to secure additional information on Michael’s whereabouts as well as his prompt and safe release.”

China’s foreign ministry and Ministry of Public Security did not respond immediately to questions faxed earlier about Kovrig’s detention.

The exact reason for the detention was not immediately clear.

The Canadian embassy declined to comment, referring queries to Ottawa.

Related link: SCMP - Former Canadian diplomat Michael Kovrig detained in China

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Singha » 12 Dec 2018 00:26

Canada did not inform us of Huawei executive Sabrina Meng Wanzhou’s arrest until asked, China says
Beijing says Ottawa should have notified Chinese consular officials ‘without delay’ in line with a bilateral agreement
Canada says notice of her detention was provided on the day of her arrest
PUBLISHED : Tuesday, 11 December, 2018, 12:58pm

Beijing on Tuesday said Canada failed to inform China about the detention of Huawei Technologies executive Sabrina Meng Wanzhou until officials were asked about the case.

The assertion by foreign ministry spokesman Lu Kang came just hours after Ottawa insisted it had notified the Chinese consulate in Vancouver on the day of her arrest.

Canada’s Department of Justice told the Post in the early hours of Tuesday that Chinese consular officials had been informed about the case on December 1, but Beijing has accused Ottawa of violating a bilateral agreement by failing to offer timely notice.

“According to the China-Canada consular agreement, the Canadian government should have notified the Chinese consulate without delay,” Lu said on Tuesday at a press conference. “The Chinese authorities did not receive any first notice but were instead informed by other channels.

“You should have asked [Canada] whether the Chinese government found the Canadian government first or the Canadian government notified the Chinese embassy,” Lu said.

Meng was arrested on December 1 in Vancouver at the behest of the United States, and faces extradition on allegations that she covered up Huawei’s links to an Iranian company in violation of American sanctions.

Canadian justice officials on Tuesday morning told the Post: “Consular access was provided later that day. China’s ambassador in Ottawa was also in contact with Canadian officials later that same day to discuss the situation.”

The statement from Ottawa came after Lu on Monday said Beijing had not been notified in a timely manner.

“Unfortunately, we didn’t receive any notification from the Canadian government at the first moment,” Lu said.

An editorial by Chinese state news agency Xinhua on Saturday made the same accusation.

Beijing summoned Canadian ambassador John McCallum in protest at Meng’s arrest and urged Ottawa to release her immediately or face “grave consequences that the Canadian side should be held accountable for”.

Related link: SCMP - Canada did not inform us of Huawei executive Sabrina Meng Wanzhou’s arrest until asked, China says

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Postby Singha » 12 Dec 2018 00:30

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... -1.4936150

canada and massa want her in jail for the duration of trial. bail application rejected despite 2 homes in vancouver saying she has 7 Hk/CN passports and money and contacts to slip away if released.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby yensoy » 12 Dec 2018 07:37

Singha wrote:Move comes after police in Canada arrested the chief financial officer of China’s Huawei Technologies on December 1 at the request of US authorities

A former Canadian diplomat has been detained in China, two sources said on Tuesday, and his current employer, the International Crisis Group, said it was seeking his prompt and safe release. Michael Kovrig’s detention comes after police in Canada arrested the chief financial officer of China’s Huawei Technologies on December 1 at the request of US authorities, a move that infuriated Beijing.


Let's not forget the previous instance where the incompetent PRC folks imprisoned an evangelist but otherwise innocent Canadian couple https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/01/world/canada/canadian-couple-china-detention.html, not knowing what to do with them, and eventually releasing them. Canadians didn't pay much heed back then; this time around even the most peacenik of Canadians are not going to sit by quietly. I am sure there is a roster of Canadian properties acquired by Chinese party types being drawn up, ready for impounding when the time comes.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Singha » 12 Dec 2018 07:49

Roster of chinese rich kids parked in the west or exposing their loot for chinese middle class to see is an option

Motorola eventually pulled put of china due to ip theft
https://www.foxbusiness.com/business-le ... awei-theft

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Singha » 12 Dec 2018 07:51

VANCOUVER—China’s top diplomat in Vancouver raked Canadian officials over the coals on Sunday during a “lengthy” and “awkward” speech about the arrest of Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou, according to Vancouver Mayor Kennedy Stewart.

In a city hall interview on Monday, the mayor said he and other dignitaries — including Canada’s defence minister — were attending an event hosted by the 122-year-old Chinese Benevolent Association (CBA) of Vancouver when Chinese consul-general Tong Xiaoling tore into the arrest and U.S. extradition proceedings.

Vancouver Mayor Kennedy Stewart says he is mostly just an observer to the fallout over the Huawei arrest.
Vancouver Mayor Kennedy Stewart says he is mostly just an observer to the fallout over the Huawei arrest. (DAVID P. BALL / STARMETRO)
“She made a long speech about how this is outrageous,” Stewart told StarMetro. “Which was really quite awkward because (defence minister) Harjit Sajjan was there as well. (She) firmly denounced the ministry.

“This was a long speech — but it’s more for the bosses back home, I would think.”

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Singha » 12 Dec 2018 07:53

China can only make mousey noises

All their elites in violation of their own laws have parked wealth in the west. Exposure would show their anto corruption drives at home as hollow showpieces

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Singha » 12 Dec 2018 07:54

John bolton knew of the impending arrest the day dt and xi were dining in buenos aires but only told trump later

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Avarachan » 12 Dec 2018 08:59

This is a very interesting article. China makes microprocessor chips, but doesn't make the machines which are used to make advanced microprocessors.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12- ... ally-about

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Singha » 12 Dec 2018 10:14

https://www.nikonprecision.com/ is another old player in photolithography equipment. I am not familiar with the toolchain from sand to chip but they are in there somewhere in the pipeline.

anyway who is know how much info has been stolen from this set of cos? if they can steal w88 nuke and JSF info anything can be stolen.
and lot of chinese origin academics and engineers at high level are being enticed back to lead and mentor new ventures in silicon domain.
even expats are being hired by new fabs is willing to relocate - with fat pkgs. this they are targeting at korean, japanese and taiwanese fab engineers.

2025 may slip to 2040 with US clampdown but they are working to a ruthless plan...like water finding way around rocks...they are probing every crack in the cliff to seek workarounds.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Singha » 12 Dec 2018 10:19

sheepish withdrawal after hand caught in cookie jar. assigning 100 employees that too in the elite search engine team is something the ceo may not know on daily basis but certainly at EVP level it would come up in ops review and need his signoff

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Google has “no plans” to relaunch a search engine in China though it is continuing to study the idea, Chief Executive Sundar Pichai told a U.S. congressional panel amid increased scrutiny of big tech firms. Lawmakers and Google employees have raised concerns the company would comply with China’s internet censorship and surveillance policies if it re-enters the Asian nation’s search engine market.

Google’s main search platform has been blocked in China since 2010, but the Alphabet Inc company has been attempting to make new inroads into the country, which has the world’s largest number of smartphone users. “Right now, there are no plans to launch search in China,” Pichai told the U.S. House of Representatives Judiciary Committee.


But he added that internally Google has “developed and looked at what search could look like. We’ve had the project underway for a while. At one point, we’ve had over 100 people working on it is my understanding.” Pichai said there are no current discussions with the Chinese government. He vowed that he would be “fully transparent” with policymakers if the company brings search products to China.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby titash » 12 Dec 2018 10:31

Singha wrote:https://www.nikonprecision.com/ is another old player in photolithography equipment. I am not familiar with the toolchain from sand to chip but they are in there somewhere in the pipeline.

anyway who is know how much info has been stolen from this set of cos? if they can steal w88 nuke and JSF info anything can be stolen.
and lot of chinese origin academics and engineers at high level are being enticed back to lead and mentor new ventures in silicon domain.
even expats are being hired by new fabs is willing to relocate - with fat pkgs. this they are targeting at korean, japanese and taiwanese fab engineers.

2025 may slip to 2040 with US clampdown but they are working to a ruthless plan...like water finding way around rocks...they are probing every crack in the cliff to seek workarounds.


I used to work in Semiconductor Manufacturing before I moved to IT/Data Science. If I recall correctly, the big players were:

US: LAM Research, Applied Materials, KLA Tencor
Japan: Canon, Nikon, Dai Nippon Screen (DNS), Tokyo Electron (TEL)
Netherlands: Phillips/ASML

The most critical and expensive process, Photo-lithography (pattern definition) was specifically restricted to ASML using Zeiss optics, and Canon, Nikon which made their own glass. These companies worked closely with Intel and AMD to iterate over several generations of equipment and processing technology. Not that easy to replicate.

But then, people in the US typically tend to start getting laid off (irrespective of the fact that "age related" discrimination is illegal) in their mid fifties and find it harder and harder to secure high $$ employment. The Semiconductor Equipment OEMs see much more brutal hire-fire cycles than the Chip Manufacturers. So come a year or two there's always people in the market

If you paid an unemployed 55 year old guy his salary + $100K/year bonus tax-free, my bet is he would relocate to China for 2-3 years and share his IP

JMT...

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby SSridhar » 12 Dec 2018 10:44

titash wrote:If you paid an unemployed 55 year old guy his salary + $100K/year bonus tax-free, my bet is he would relocate to China for 2-3 years and share his IP

Just like we saw Russian scientists & engineers after Soviet disintegration

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Prasad » 12 Dec 2018 11:28

Like the processors themselves, they're not sitting on their heels and waiting for things to drop in their lap. Their focus is to reduce and eliminate foreign dependencies on imports. They've achieved some success in mocvd mfg but there are many stages in the silica to chip process. Materials is a major problem for them since supply chain is predominantly west-dominated.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Singha » 12 Dec 2018 11:42

but arent they sitting on the worlds biggest known deposits of "rare earths" and mongolia/tibet/east turkestan is all sand for silicon ?


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