Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby krisna » 09 Jan 2019 20:45

From the above post by SS
According to a recent report China had built an antenna five times the size of New York.


size of NY is it state or city. :mrgreen: :roll:

according to internet- approximate figures---

NY state 141300 sq km. x5 times is ~700000 sq kms. :rotfl:
NY city 1213 sq km x 5 times is ~6000 sq kms :mrgreen:

very very inefficient radar antennae. :lol:

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby sooraj » 09 Jan 2019 22:15

yensoy wrote:Semiconductor gurus, what do you think of the recently announced Huawei's 7nm process server CPU? https://venturebeat.com/2019/01/06/huawei-claims-its-kunpeng-920-arm-based-risc-processor-is-the-industrys-fastest/

Intel hasn't even produced 10nm chips in numbers, leave alone 7nm. Huawei, Apple and Qualcomm appear to be at the leading edge in this round.

How has Huawei managed to leapfrog Intel? What kind of a threat is this to the western world's dominance in semiconductor process?



Huawei's 7nm process ARM server CPU is manufactured on TSMC 7nm node

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby kit » 10 Jan 2019 00:41

yensoy wrote:Semiconductor gurus, what do you think of the recently announced Huawei's 7nm process server CPU? https://venturebeat.com/2019/01/06/huawei-claims-its-kunpeng-920-arm-based-risc-processor-is-the-industrys-fastest/

Intel hasn't even produced 10nm chips in numbers, leave alone 7nm. Huawei, Apple and Qualcomm appear to be at the leading edge in this round.

How has Huawei managed to leapfrog Intel? What kind of a threat is this to the western world's dominance in semiconductor process?


Huwaei designed it.. but i think they use TSMC foundries

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Bart S » 10 Jan 2019 01:21

kit wrote:
yensoy wrote:Semiconductor gurus, what do you think of the recently announced Huawei's 7nm process server CPU? https://venturebeat.com/2019/01/06/huawei-claims-its-kunpeng-920-arm-based-risc-processor-is-the-industrys-fastest/

Intel hasn't even produced 10nm chips in numbers, leave alone 7nm. Huawei, Apple and Qualcomm appear to be at the leading edge in this round.

How has Huawei managed to leapfrog Intel? What kind of a threat is this to the western world's dominance in semiconductor process?


Huwaei designed it.. but i think they use TSMC foundries



The design and instruction set came from ARM. Huawei did customize the design for their requirements within the parameters of ARM's framework, and TSMC does the manufacturing (also, TSMC's 7nm is roughly equivalent to what Intel's 10nm process, with a lot of marketing claims and counter-claims in the mix). There are plenty of companies who can design chips around ARM's architecture, including Indian ones.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby chanakyaa » 10 Jan 2019 08:13

Semiconductor gurus, what do you think of the recently announced Huawei's 7nm process server CPU?

Although, 7nm mobile chip production get lot of attention in the public domain, the holy grail for Chinese (and for many independent minded countries) is the ability to produce your own microprocessor and run your own instruction set on that processor. Based on some limited information available in the public domain, Chinese have already built a x86 based chip using AMD's assistance and can run some x86 software including Linux. And, only a11ah knows how much progress they may have made because that kind of effort would be mostly underground and info would never become public.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby yensoy » 10 Jan 2019 08:47

Thanks for inputs gurus. TSMC having the technology is equivalent to China having the technology in some ways. Regarding the instruction set, it's impossible that a completely different instruction set built in isolation/secrecy will get the kind of ecosystem, review and improvements that a widely commercialized open instruction set will provide. They could of course add instructions to x86 or ARM for specific purposes, or functional blocks in the CPU which are designed to snoop on other parts of the CPU.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Neshant » 10 Jan 2019 09:08

yensoy wrote:TSMC having the technology is equivalent to China having the technology in some ways.


+1

Trump's latest moves to restrict the flow of fab machinery/technology to China won't be effective because that simply make a detour through Taiwan via TSMC.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Prasad » 10 Jan 2019 15:09

yensoy wrote:Semiconductor gurus, what do you think of the recently announced Huawei's 7nm process server CPU? https://venturebeat.com/2019/01/06/huawei-claims-its-kunpeng-920-arm-based-risc-processor-is-the-industrys-fastest/

Intel hasn't even produced 10nm chips in numbers, leave alone 7nm. Huawei, Apple and Qualcomm appear to be at the leading edge in this round.

How has Huawei managed to leapfrog Intel? What kind of a threat is this to the western world's dominance in semiconductor process?

As others have said Intel 10nm and TSMC 7nm are roughly analogous in performance and the rest is all PR-speak and hype.


As for this
chanakyaa wrote:
Semiconductor gurus, what do you think of the recently announced Huawei's 7nm process server CPU?

Although, 7nm mobile chip production get lot of attention in the public domain, the holy grail for Chinese (and for many independent minded countries) is the ability to produce your own microprocessor and run your own instruction set on that processor. Based on some limited information available in the public domain, Chinese have already built a x86 based chip using AMD's assistance and can run some x86 software including Linux. And, only a11ah knows how much progress they may have made because that kind of effort would be mostly underground and info would never become public.

I'd written about it in an earlier article. This is a direct way to get a first rate x86 platform for all their needs. And they've made great progress.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Singha » 12 Jan 2019 00:10

London (CNN Business)A Huawei executive has been arrested in Poland on charges of spying for China.

Poland's counterintelligence service confirmed on Friday that a Chinese citizen suspected of spying had been arrested. Polish state media identified the suspect as Huawei's sales director in the country.
China's embassy in Poland named him as Weijing Wang.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Singha » 12 Jan 2019 07:31

A export for some techs developed in huawei center in
Sfo has been denied by commerce dept

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby mappunni » 12 Jan 2019 12:09

Not sure if this is the right place. Guru's please move accordingly.

HARD MEN IN A HARD ENVIRONMENT: INDIAN SPECIAL OPERATORS ALONG THE BORDER WITH CHINA

https://warontherocks.com/2017/01/hard-men-in-a-hard-environment-indian-special-operators-along-the-border-with-china/

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby SSridhar » 12 Jan 2019 16:03

Top US Navy officer to visit China amid heightened tensions - AP
The U.S. Navy’s top officer will visit China starting on Sunday amid increasing frictions in the South China Sea and other issues underscoring their rivalry for dominance in Asia.

The Navy says Chief of Naval Operations Adm. John Richardson will meet with his counterpart Vice Adm. Shen Jinlong and leaders of China’s Central Military Commission during his visit to Beijing and the eastern city of Nanjing lasting through Wednesday.

The visit’s goal is to “continue a results-oriented, risk reduction focused dialogue” between the two militaries. The Navy quoted Admiral Richardson as saying such routine exchanges of views are essential to reducing risk and avoiding miscalculation “especially in times of friction.”

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby chetak » 12 Jan 2019 21:02

Singha wrote:London (CNN Business)A Huawei executive has been arrested in Poland on charges of spying for China.

Poland's counterintelligence service confirmed on Friday that a Chinese citizen suspected of spying had been arrested. Polish state media identified the suspect as Huawei's sales director in the country.
China's embassy in Poland named him as Weijing Wang.


looks like the hans have thrown this guy under the bus, which I hope was also not made in china.

Huawei has sacked the guy and said that they have nothing to do with him or his activities.


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