Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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Postby chola » 03 Apr 2020 18:11

^^^Just the bat or Batman too?

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Barath » 03 Apr 2020 19:36

https://www.belfercenter.org/publicatio ... sual-guide

Harvard Kennedy School has issued this paper on the strategic posture of India and China.

Rick Joe, regular contributor to The Diplomat and editor of PLARealTalk.com and a long time follower of China via open source analysis has suggested that

> I think this piece is too focused on "comparing forces" in the region and doesn't first ask the question of what each side's actual military objectives may realistically be. Trying to articulate a military balance without considering realistic objectives makes the entire comparison moot.

> Some of their assumptions seem a bit dubious to me, ranging from comparative quality of aircraft to comparative quality of pilot training, to assumptions about the availability of air bases in a time leading up to war, and also declining to consider the totality of each side's conventional strike capability.

> ... I would argue on the contrary that it's very mainstream opinion that Indian military conventional forces during normal peacetime technically outmatches and outmasses what the PLA fields in the region across the border.

even so, the level of detail means it is a publication worth reading, even with all the caveats.

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Barath wrote:https://www.belfercenter.org/publication/strategic-postures-china-and-india-visual-guide

Harvard Kennedy School has issued this paper on the strategic posture of India and China.

Rick Joe, regular contributor to The Diplomat and editor of PLARealTalk.com and a long time follower of China via open source analysis has suggested that

> I think this piece is too focused on "comparing forces" in the region and doesn't first ask the question of what each side's actual military objectives may realistically be. Trying to articulate a military balance without considering realistic objectives makes the entire comparison moot.

> Some of their assumptions seem a bit dubious to me, ranging from comparative quality of aircraft to comparative quality of pilot training, to assumptions about the availability of air bases in a time leading up to war, and also declining to consider the totality of each side's conventional strike capability.

> ... I would argue on the contrary that it's very mainstream opinion that Indian military conventional forces during normal peacetime technically outmatches and outmasses what the PLA fields in the region across the border.

even so, the level of detail means it is a publication worth reading, even with all the caveats.



Some of the assumptions are simplistic, considering that the situation that prevailed in the 1962 times along with a naive army command structure in cahoots with a politically immature govt that failed to see the utility of the Indian Army in times of war and in the actual war did not use the airforce to the extent which it should have.

Today, from that badly led Army, and its now seriously committed and capable sister forces, the evolved command structures and the politically mature governing political ecosystem of today which is fully aware of India's supreme national interests both in the short and long term is a very different beast to contend with.

doklam was a bad black eye, as well as, a very serious loss of face for the hans. Balakot has further set the tone. Both capitals have woken up and taken note of the changing reality. the complete political and economic blockade of niazi and bajwa has rattled the pakis badly and has severely limited the chinese choices and their scope for engagement.

India also has military and civilian satellites watching the hans, its own local GPS type of system, submarines that will be mobilized with nuclear missiles. All in all, India is not really a palatable enemy to the PLA's liking and one that can be termed as a pushover by any country in the world.

yes, we will certainly take a hit but the other guy, whoever it may be, will never go unscathed.

The chinese military system is unblooded in recent times, say the last couple of decades maybe and is an unknown entity with a smoke and mirrors strategy to project itself always as a very much larger than life entity so that it can bully countries like taiwan, srilanka, maldives and precipitate some boisterous dust ups with the USN in the SCS knowing that the rules of engagement preclude armed engagements unless fired upon first.

the hans use their size and economic power to bully countries. There is no hard evidence of their PLAN navy being capable of sustained long range blue water operations.

They are really very upset with India's AGNI systems and simply will not engage because any nuclear exchange by china with any country will cause the rest of the world to gang up on them. People do not forget bullies.

The gwadar port, pipelines and what not are all mere smoke because rather than tangle with the PLAN navy in the short term, the west will simply enforce a shut down the gulf oil&gas fields and source oil&gas from elsewhere meaning the US and its neighbors, venezeula etc.

Yes, the prices will skyrocket but then it will be a serious war damaging the world economy, especially the chinese economy which will be left without markets. War is the one step that the hans simply cannot afford to take.

African oil will be blockaded unless europe bound. Iran will have israel to worry about as well as the Indian gauntlet to run. If the oil is china bound it is fair game.

Putin is a survivor and will not risk a nuke holocaust to support his slant eyed friends. He has many assured (and very affording) markets in EU and in countries like India, japan etc. The rest of them like syria, iraq, turkey are mere pissants. If russia remains neutral, no one will risk touching a russian flagged oil tanker/merchantman, where ever it may be in the world.

So it is not easy for the hans to get into a real shooting war. Their preferred style so far has been double entry book keeping and debt leveraged hostile takeovers of distressed assets in chota mota countries, not forgetting how they were eased out of the maldives.

India remaining out of the OBOR/CPEC has been an eviscerating gut blow to the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China and that is why the han ambassador in dilli and his gang were so lovey dovey with die nasty joker and resident idiot pappu who they thought would win the 2019 elections and become their puppet PM and help in paving their OBOR/CPEC thrust into India.

all those undeclared bangcock visits would surely have yielded at least some useable photographs and videos.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Kati » 14 Apr 2020 03:57

How US visas can help China's intel agencies to spy on us

https://thehill.com/opinion/internation ... -spy-on-us

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Postby la.khan » 14 Apr 2020 07:56

Conspiracy against Narendra Modi’s Government?
In fact, India has every reason to reach an understanding with China, since its immediate disputes with it are mostly the product of Chinese self-aggrandisement and economic primacy, and will recede when its relative position declines. The apparently intransigent territorial issues themselves are only deadlocked disputes over thirteen strategic points along the Sino-Indian border since India has effectively conceded China’s position in the Aksai Chin. These issues can be resolved if there is political will and, once the Tibetan government in exile’s presence in India is repudiated, it will lead to a wider Sino-Indian concord.

How true is the highlighted part? Is the author gas lighting? Because, I haven't seen this concession anywhere else in the news. Not one of NaMo's critics/detractors will let go of this opportunity to go to town to excoriate MAD. What gives? :?:

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Postby Varoon Shekhar » 14 Apr 2020 23:15

Repudiating the Tibetan government in exile, is an absolute no, no way, no chance. And making concessions on the border is also a very bad and stupid idea.

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Postby Gerard » 17 Apr 2020 04:23

Kazakhstan summons Chinese ambassador in protest over article
Kazakhstan’s foreign ministry summoned the Chinese ambassador on Tuesday to protest over an article saying the country was keen to become part of China, the ministry said.
It also states that Kazakhstan had historically been part of China’s territory and Kazakhs “do not have too many complaints” about being repeatedly invaded by China.

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Postby pankajs » 17 Apr 2020 18:39

https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/sta ... 9340490754
Global Times @globaltimesnews

#Opinion: The days when China can be put in a submissive position are long gone. As Western diplomats fall into disgrace, they are getting a taste of China's "Wolf Warrior" diplomacy. https://bit.ly/3ctrzLX
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Bart S » 17 Apr 2020 19:25

^Paki 'jazba' has rubbed off on them :mrgreen:

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby SSridhar » 19 Apr 2020 11:27

How China Sees the World, And how we should see China - H.R.McMaster, The Atlantic

Very important reading.

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Postby SSridhar » 19 Apr 2020 11:33

The 'Wolf Warriors' were the tribes from the northern steppes who never allowed the Hans a wink of sleep even after the Long Wall had been built. The blue wolf was supposed to be the progenitor of the Mongol race. One true Blue Wolf was Genghis Khan who completely subjugated the Hans and established the Yuan dynasty. I don't know why the Chinese should (or how can the Chinese) lay claim to the 'Wolf Warrior' title !

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Postby amar_p » 19 Apr 2020 13:41

Thank you SSridhar for posting this. It confirms many of the assessments folks on BRF make on China, but also about how the US and the West view it with their flawed prisms.

During our state visit, Xi and his advisers relied heavily on history to convey their intended message.


PM Modi's choice of Mahabalipuram to host Xi was not an accident at all.

Xi to showcase his determination to “move closer to the center of the world stage and to make a greater contribution to humankind.”


China has definitely had some success in the first, but we havent seen much of the second, except encouraging conspicuous consumption of cheap Chinese products, polluting large swaths of land and oceans, and currently letting loose the Corona virus. In my view, greater contribution to humankind coming from the mouth of an authoritarian regime is just hogwash.

“century of humiliation”

Isn't it interesting that despite being colonies and looted for nearly 3 centuries, and being invaded by various Moghuls and earlier Islamic invaders, India and Indians do not suffer from this humiliation complex? I believe this is because we recognise that despite successive invasions, India has always retained it's core strengths, social harmony and productivity and had again and again become a coveted place with many things of value to offer the world. Our produce can be looted and carted away, our ability to produce cannot. We can perhaps be lulled into complacency and become vulnerable, but we cannot be humiliated.

In contrast, civilisations that have nothing much to offer the world will go in search of spoils to other lands and raid successfully at times, but they cannot ever swallow the fact that they themselves could not innovate, create and produce the things they covet and capture. I believe it is this realisation, however suppressed it might be, to be the root cause of Chinese "humiliation" which creates envy, warps their world view and opens the road for troubles. Mahabharata illustrates this beautifully in the Kauravas' envy of the Pandavas, which becomes and all engulfing obsession that drives the chain of events that unfold.

China’s leaders believe they have a narrow window of opportunity to strengthen their rule and revise the international order in their favor.

This is a very important observation, and a wake up call to the world to not just sit up and take notice, but to actively defend themselves and counter the threat, starting NOW. Trump administration seems to be doing that but only at a superficial level focusing on trade and tariffs (which are double edged swords b given how much American companies depend on Chinese production capacity). The real threats are IP theft and Data Security. I hope Indian govt has started to act on these, especially the latter.

co-option, coercion, and concealment

India must actively take steps to mitigate these three prongs with its own Trishul strategy.
1.Cooperation with other nations, starting with the SAARC group and extending it to the rest of Asia, IOR and Indo Pacific region, not only on trade, connectivity and development, which we seem to be doing consciously thanks to the efforts of MEA under S Jaishankar, but also on Military aspects which make a visible impact or rather make the impact more visible.

2.Collaboration expanded with the rest of G20 nations in various fields like Health care, Distance Education, Remote sensing, Military Equipment, Research...

3.Communication We need an external communications department under the MEA to actively put forward India's perspective on a global scale and actively shape global narrative and expand India's soft power. And support to private Media's international initiatives, its high time we created our own equivalents of Al Jazeeras and CNNs. Information & Broadcasting ministry in Modi 2.0 seems to be conspicuous by its absence in any relevant matter except for getting reruns of 2 decades old mythological TV serials. I hope they get a shakedown and are tasked with creating an Indian equivalent of the BBC in terms of coverage and reach, and much better credibility.

There is so much more that we can do.
Why limit ourselves to Trihuls when we can field Chakras?

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Postby SSridhar » 19 Apr 2020 18:20

amar_p wrote:PM Modi's choice of Mahabalipuram to host Xi was not an accident at all.

One of the Pallava princeses, who took the moniker Bodhidharma, went to Southern China in the 6th century and spread Buddhism. Mahabalipuram was the capital of the Pallava Kingdom. The Sui dynasty was ruling at that time in China. Now, he taught the Chinese the art of meditation as well as martial arts and established the Shaolin school. The dhyaan that was taught came to be known as cha'an in Chinese and later spread to Japan as zen. It is said that he took such a severe meditation, more a penance, facing a wall once that his figure was imprinted on that.

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Postby amar_p » 19 Apr 2020 22:26

Interesting ! LoL

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Postby Bart S » 19 Apr 2020 23:30

Nobody in either India or China is talking about the 'Wuhan Spirit' anymore :rotfl:

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Postby Kati » 20 Apr 2020 10:46

Lawsuit worth $6 trillion seeks reparations from China for 'cover-up' of coronavirus pandemic

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The fun starts !

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Postby V_Raman » 20 Apr 2020 14:29

The way things are moving, Deans 2022 scenario is looking more and more real.

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Postby g.sarkar » 20 Apr 2020 17:09

https://www.rediff.com/business/report/ ... 200420.htm
China reacts: India's new FDI rules violate WTO spirit
Source: AN IApril 20, 2020 14:30 IST

China said on Monday the additional barriers set by India for investors from specific countries violate the World Trade Organisation's principle of non-discrimination, and go against the general trend of liberalisation and facilitation of trade and investment.
"More importantly, they do not conform to the consensus of G20 leaders and trade ministers to realise a free, fair, non-discriminatory, transparent, predictable and stable trade and investment environment, and to keep our markets open," said a statement issued by the Chinese embassy in New Delhi.
Companies make choices based on market principles. "We hope India will revise the relevant discriminatory practices, treat investments from different countries equally, and foster an open, fair and equitable business environment," said the statement by the spokesperson of the Chinese embassy in India, Counsellor Ji Rong.
On April 18, the department for promotion of industry and internal trade had revised its foreign investment policy, making it much difficult for companies from countries sharing a land border with India, including China, to invest in the country.
As of December 2019, China's cumulative investment in India has exceeded $ 8 billion, far more than the total investments of India's other border-sharing countries. "The impact of the policy on Chinese investors is clear."
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Gautam
PS Now the lizard's feelings are hurt and must be soothed. China is India's friend and partner. Reminds me of the time George Chacha put a knot in the relationship by declaring that the lizard is India’s potential "threat number one". The lizard declared that only the one who puts the knot can remove it. That was back in 1998 or so.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby amar_p » 20 Apr 2020 17:58

GOI should buy out the 8B$ investment and be done with it

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby kumarn » 21 Apr 2020 01:27

V_Raman wrote:The way things are moving, Deans 2022 scenario is looking more and more real.

Sounds interesting! Can you please point me to it?

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g.sarkar wrote:https://www.rediff.com/business/report/china-reacts-indias-fdi-rules-violate-wto-spirit/20200420.htm
China reacts: India's new FDI rules violate WTO spirit
Source: AN IApril 20, 2020 14:30 IST

China said on Monday the additional barriers set by India for investors from specific countries violate the World Trade Organisation's principle of non-discrimination, and go against the general trend of liberalisation and facilitation of trade and investment.
"More importantly, they do not conform to the consensus of G20 leaders and trade ministers to realise a free, fair, non-discriminatory, transparent, predictable and stable trade and investment environment, and to keep our markets open," said a statement issued by the Chinese embassy in New Delhi.
Companies make choices based on market principles. "We hope India will revise the relevant discriminatory practices, treat investments from different countries equally, and foster an open, fair and equitable business environment," said the statement by the spokesperson of the Chinese embassy in India, Counsellor Ji Rong.



Only a chor (thief) or dacoit feels irritated by seeing that house owner has built a higher fence or put a better lock.
Because it either spoils his plans or makes him rethink on it, starting from beginning. :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Ashokk » 21 Apr 2020 02:24

Time to remind them of how they "treat investments from different countries equally, and foster an open, fair and equitable business environment"
Doing business with China is far from easy
Regulatory barriers

A firm needs to register its product with the specified Chinese authority. This means submitting a large number of documents, including details about the firm and its products.

The next step is meeting the inspection, product testing, and quality certification requirements. Chinese experts would visit and inspect Indian factories. The costs are to be borne by the Indian side. Only Chinese labs do product testing. And there can be no appeal on their decisions. Let us take the case of medicines, industrial and food products.

India imports 90 per cent of bulk drugs or APIs from China and allows it easy access through a simple registration system. After registration, there’s no rule for checking off each consignment at the time of imports.

Not so in China, though. Registration takes one to three years. Testing takes place again at the time of imports. And, China cancels registration even if one batch has issues.

The provinces do not recognise USFDA certificates and need new clinical trials even on generic drugs. This increases the cost.

Coming now to the export industrial products such as electric wires cables, IT products, motorcycle parts/accessories and electrical tools to China. One has to first get an NOC from the China compulsory product certification system or CCC. The NOC may come after detailed laboratory testing, factory inspection, and labelling.

More stringent processes await exporters of food, meat, fish, and dairy products. They have to get NOC from the General Administration of Customs China (GACC) and relevant administrative ministries.

They will also have to follow the China food safety standards and applicable sanitary and quality regulations. Products like oilmeal need further clearance from China’s Agriculture Ministry.

After obtaining all the NOCs, it is still not done. For products like rice and sugar, a firm needs import quota to avoid exorbitant tariffs. And state agencies get most of the quota.

The complicated and non-transparent system ensures that it takes years to get the green signal. Or it may never come.
Internal market

Only a limited part of China’s imports enter into the domestic market. Most imports act as inputs for making export products. Most electronics and machinery trade between China and Japan-Korea-ASEAN falls in this category.

Much of this trade happens at zero duty outside the FTAs (free trade agreements). Internal market barriers also apply to firms producing in China.

They have to clear extra barriers to sell in the Chinese domestic market. Preference is always to domestic firms.

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Postby Kati » 22 Apr 2020 02:52

Missouri sues China over coronavirus pandemic

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby nachiket » 22 Apr 2020 02:56

kumarn wrote:
V_Raman wrote:The way things are moving, Deans 2022 scenario is looking more and more real.

Sounds interesting! Can you please point me to it?

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7703

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Postby VinodTK » 22 Apr 2020 03:16

g.sarkar wrote:https://www.rediff.com/business/report/china-reacts-indias-fdi-rules-violate-wto-spirit/20200420.htm
China reacts: India's new FDI rules violate WTO spirit


My my what has the world come to wh#r#s preaching the world about chastity & virginity

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Postby Kati » 22 Apr 2020 09:26

Thousands sign up to US class action to sue China over coronavirus

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-20/ ... l/12164106

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby amar_p » 23 Apr 2020 00:02

A day after India imposed FDI restrictions mandating review of investments by countries with a shared land border, reports indicate China has once again started showing Arunachal Pradesh as its own territory in recently released maps.

It means they are smarting from India's move.

Time to call their bluff on Arunachal Pradesh as well by imposing trade restrictions until they unequivocally and irrevocably withdraw any and all claims on the state and accept the border as drawn by India with a notification to the UN.

And of course Aksai Chin.

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Postby vera_k » 23 Apr 2020 02:28

Trump’s Best Re-Election Bet: Run Against China

In 2019, before the coronavirus stormed out of Wuhan to shake the world, 57% of Americans already had an unfavorable opinion of Beijing. The most recent Gallup poll, in February 2020, put that at figure at 67%.

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Postby g.sarkar » 24 Apr 2020 05:17

Older article. apologize if already posted:
https://www.economist.com/europe/2020/02/20/how-sweden-copes-with-chinese-bullying
Shotgun diplomacy
How Sweden copes with Chinese bullying
Feb 20th 2020

Traditionally, chinese ambassadors are restrained, colourless figures who emerge from the wallpaper only to object ritually that any criticism of their government is an insult to Chinese people. Gui Congyou, China’s ambassador to Sweden, has taken a different tack. He and his embassy denounce journalists and public figures for perceived slights on an almost weekly basis, a pace so unusual it has been studied by Swedish political scientists. He has been summoned to Sweden’s foreign ministry more than 40 times in two years.
But Mr Gui has only grown more outspoken. Interviewed on Swedish public radio in November, he sounded like a gangster: “We treat our friends with fine wine, but for our enemies we have shotguns.” Mr Gui offers a glimpse of a newly forceful brand of Chinese diplomacy (see article). The regime is quicker to take offence, and retaliates more harshly.
Sweden has friendly business ties with Chinese companies: Volvo is now owned by a Chinese carmaker, and Swedes are happy with that relationship. But the two countries are at odds over human rights. In 2015 Gui Minhai (no relation to the ambassador), a Swedish national who was a bookseller in Hong Kong, disappeared in Thailand and reappeared months later in Chinese custody. His crime seemed to have been selling disparaging books about President Xi Jinping. Mr Gui was released in 2017, but was snatched again months later by plainclothes agents on a train from Shanghai to Beijing, while he was being escorted by Swedish diplomats. The Swedes have been repeatedly denied consular access to Mr Gui; China claims he does not wish to see them. The authorities say he tried to leak state secrets to foreigners.
The bookseller’s case has poisoned Chinese-Swedish relations. In November, when he received an award from the Swedish branch of pen, a free-speech group, the Chinese embassy demanded it be rescinded. Then Ambassador Gui warned of “consequences” if Sweden’s culture minister participated in the ceremony. (The minister ignored the warning.) In December the ambassador warned that China would restrict trade with Sweden in retaliation.
All this bluster has won no concessions. Sweden’s government plans to subject Chinese investments in Swedish companies to more scrutiny. The business press has also turned more sceptical of Chinese investment. In November the parliament passed a law that allows for a national-security review of Huawei as a potential supplier to Sweden’s 5g network. That could mean favouring Ericsson, a Swedish native, over the Chinese firm. In December some opposition mps called for Ambassador Gui to be declared persona non grata. The public is no more friendly: in a survey of 34 countries last year by the Pew Research Centre, 70% of Swedes had an unfavourable opinion of China. Only Japan was more hostile.
China may be using Sweden to send a message to the world—just as it shunned Norway for years after the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to Liu Xiaobo, a man who argued that the Chinese people should be allowed to select their own rulers. Ambassador Gui recently remarked to a Swedish newspaper that, for all his talk of shotguns, Sweden was “not important enough to threaten”.
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https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/23/sweden-closes-its-last-remaining-confucius-institute-amid-strained-relations-with-china/
Sweden Closes Its Last Remaining ‘Confucius Institute’ amid Strained Relations with China
April 23, 2020

Sweden has closed the last remaining Confucius Institute in the country as relations with China deteriorate further amid the coronavirus pandemic, The Times of London reported on Thursday.
The Chinese government in 2004 launched Confucius institutes at various foreign universities, with the stated goal of promoting Chinese language and culture. However, U.S. officials have stated that the institutes are a propaganda tool meant to enhance China’s “soft power.”
Sweden at one time had generally cordial relations with China, with automaker Volvo accepting Chinese ownership in 2010 and welcoming Europe’s first Confucius Institute at Stockholm University in 2005. However, Sweden closed that institute in January 2015.
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby SSridhar » 24 Apr 2020 10:08

g.sarkar wrote:https://www.economist.com/europe/2020/02/20/how-sweden-copes-with-chinese-bullying
Shotgun diplomacy
How Sweden copes with Chinese bullying


We have extensive experience with such Chinese behaviour. The Chinese stop only when dealt with an iron hand. Otherwise, this false bravado coming from the 'Son of Heaven' title and the 'Middle Kingdom' fixation with tributaries & vassalage from everyone else gets into their head.

Some of our handling of China.

China denied visa to Lt. Gen. B.S. Jaswal, General Officer Commanding Chief, Northern Area Command of the Indian Army, for a military-to-military high-level official visit in c. 2010 citing an unconvincing reason that he was leading the Army in a ‘disputed territory’ and grant of visa to such a person would have amounted to accepting implicitly Indian claim. India suspended defence exchanges between the two. China expressed surprise at the Indian suspension of exchanges thereby implying that the Indian response was disproportionate. Finally, an Indian Army delegation went to China, without Gen. Jaswal, in June, 2011, a year later. In place of Gen Jaswal is Gen Gurmeet Singh, not the top officer of the northern command but a Major-General in charge of counter-terrorism operations in three districts of Jammu & Kashmir. A similar episode occurred in January 2012 when a member of the tri-services Integrated Defence Team that was about to visit Beijing, Nanjing and Shanghai as part of the defence exchange programme, Group Captain M. Panging was denied visa because he hailed from Arunachal Pradesh. India cancelled the visit, which was reciprocal to a similar visit by the Chinese to India in December and was part of the CBMs between the two nations.

China objected to the visit of the Indian Prime Minister Man Mohan Singh to Arunachal Pradesh for election campaign, as also that of the Dalai Lama to Tawang. It also objected to the meeting between the Dalai Lama and the Indian PM. Again, taking objection to a proposed speech by the Dalai Lama in Kolkatta in an international Buddhist Conference in which Buddhist monks from 31 countries participated, China decided to postpone indefinitely the 15th round of talks on the border dispute between the special representatives of the two countries on November 26, 2011. The Chinese Consulate in Kolkatta also advised the Governor of West Bengal, M.K. Narayanan and the Chief Minister, Ms. Mamta Bannerjee, not to attend the function, which was ignored by them.

In November 2016, the Dalai Lama announced that he has been invited to visit Arunachal Pradesh for a fortnight long visit in March 2017. China said, "India's invitation to the Dalai Lama for activity in the disputed area between China and India is like providing a platform for anti-China separatist activities. It does no good to peace and tranquility in the border areas as well as the development of China-India relations.” China was so upset with the Dalai Lama’s visit to Arunachal Pradesh that it postponed the Russia-India-China trilateral supposed to be held in April, 2017. The meeting eventually took place in December, 2017 after the six-weeks long Doka La (Doklam) stand-off.

Of course, Nathu La (1967), Sumdorong Chu (1986-87) and above all Doka La stand in testimony to how the Chinese bluster must be called.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby panduranghari » 24 Apr 2020 23:17

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This is from Disunited Nations by Peter Zeihan. The book is ok. Too much bluster.

The interesting bit was the sourcing of food. China has less farmland per person than Saudi Arabia. Most farmland was paved over for development so internal production cannot be restarted easily. The geography makes a very limited area suitable for farming. China at the moment is the biggest importer of rice, barley, diary, beef, pork, berries, frozen fish, sorghum, flax and soy. If oil access becomes difficult to permit imports and if west asia implodes, China will suffer famine.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Lisa » 27 Apr 2020 23:20

Somebody will correct me but such restriction existed against Indian students after 1974 Smiling Buddha.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Kati » 01 May 2020 02:21

Trump administration draws up plans to punish China over coronavirus outbreak

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/30/politics ... index.html

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby chetak » 03 May 2020 04:39

xi is finding his proverbials in the fast tightening grip of the corona vise

The US, UK and australia seem to be leading the charge against china with others waiting in the wings to see which way the chinese cat bat is going to jump.

conspiracy stirrings on similar lines in India is adding to xi's discomfiture as India is a globally recognized authority and also a hugely respected player with proven expertise on the epidemic handling front and besides India has quietly but completely ignored the WHO almost from day 1 and depended solely on its own ICMR for advice.

the wholesale and almost global rejection of chinese made corona test kits and ventilators have really panicked the hans.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby chetak » 03 May 2020 18:03

Palki Sharma @palkisu
3 continents, 1 demand: #MakeChinaPay
Australia & Europe want an international probe into the #WuhanVirus outbreak. Trump wants his own. Now even the @WHO “hopes China would invite it to join an investigation” into the origins of the virus.



WION@WIONews · May 2

#Gravitas | Leaders in three continents are cranking up the pressure on China. European Commission Chief has backed demand for a #COVID19 probe. Australia wants to back Taiwan's entry into WHO.

US President is considering stripping China of sovereign immunity. @palkisu has more


https://twitter.com/WIONews/status/1256295074314379264

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby MeshaVishwas » 05 May 2020 07:37

One real change that most of us see is wrt roads(Nitin Gadkari Ji and team gets the credit for this, IMO)
Good interview by Gokhale saar and fantastic job by BRO


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