Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

[Cyrano]

Fun fact: China's biggest supplier for import of iron ore is Australia nearly two thirds of what they import. Whom they consider chewing gum sticking to their shoes...

[yensoy]

They are only engine running in the world right now.

They're the only engine running the world because their prices and practices have killed off all other engines. They are the opposite of globalization. Globalization is the federation of capacity and interchange of products from around the world. They have reduced it all to a single source, China.

It is amazing to me how countries have not launched a concerted effort in their own capacity or in regional groupings to do away with this monopoly.

[ramana]

Wow! We outnumber them 10:1? What have we become now ? Pakistani?

What is your source for this. IA had to literally go to roof tops to get UPA’s attention when China had built capacity to mibilize 30 divisions against it at eastern boarder. Which is backed with the highways and rail network.

We do have advantage and very strategic one in IAF’s ability to fly from altitudes with better payloads and range.

This has been discussed extensively in another thread. Briefly (looking at a scenario of an PLA attack in Ladakh)

The ORBAT for the PLA in the Western Theatre command can be assessed from this link (collaborated by a similar Chinese source).
https://jamestown.org/program/snapshot- ... r-command/

Getting even this modest force to the LAC would involve extensive preparation and they would face a IA who outnumbers them both in
the East and West and who have had more time to get into position - even with our poor transport links).

Surprisingly, the only PLA formations in the TAR (Tibet Autonomous Region) are 3 brigades in the Eastern Sector, One of these is at Lhasa
and two are opposite Arunachal. In the West, the nearest formation that can threaten our forces in Ladakh, is a mechanised division with its HQ at Hotan, in Xinjiang. While the distance from Hotan to Daulat Beg Oldi might be 200 km as the crow flies, in reality, getting that formation close to the LAC, would involve a road journey of over 700 km along the G219 highway – due to the intervening mountains. This highway is never closer than 100 km from the LAC. To be in a position to attack Daulat Beg Oldi at a point where the G219 highway is closest, involves a further road journey of around 200 km. None of the tracks leading to the DBO area look like being all weather.
As the terrain on the Chinese side is flat and featureless, any movement can be picked up by satellites or Humint and highly vulnerable to interdiction from the air. The `last mile’ distance from the road to the LAC is as difficult to approach from the Chinese side as it is from ours.

Deans can you update this post?

[kit]

They are only engine running in the world right now.

They're the only engine running the world because their prices and practices have killed off all other engines. They are the opposite of globalization. Globalization is the federation of capacity and interchange of products from around the world. They have reduced it all to a single source, China.

It is amazing to me how countries have not launched a concerted effort in their own capacity or in regional groupings to do away with this monopoly.

that's precisely where the BRI comes in, investing in other countries for infrastructure and makes them indebted..next step will be militarizing for "protecting" those investments, the world will do squat nothing, not with those bribed politicians and bureaucrats

[kit]

Break the China Habit? Lobsters, Lights and Toilets Show How Hard It Is

I'm reading a report that says at this point in time, Cheen is making 62% of the world's steel. Steel is the building block of modern industry and they are making twice as much as the rest of the world combined.

They are only engine running in the world right now.

The funny thing is the MNCs are begging to get people back into Cheen for months now but Cheen has basically closed global flights off. They are turning inward to fuel their own growth. Exports are supplementary to them at this point.

They're evil but they aren't stupid. If the export market is turning against them, they'll go inward because they are still an continental sized nation. But I doubt the export market will really dry up for them and it'll be just another quiver for their bow.

I don't think they will find that much market inside the country !! .. all that steel for example !!

[Raveen]

I'm reading a report that says at this point in time, Cheen is making 62% of the world's steel. Steel is the building block of modern industry and they are making twice as much as the rest of the world combined.

They are only engine running in the world right now.

The funny thing is the MNCs are begging to get people back into Cheen for months now but Cheen has basically closed global flights off. They are turning inward to fuel their own growth. Exports are supplementary to them at this point.

They're evil but they aren't stupid. If the export market is turning against them, they'll go inward because they are still an continental sized nation. But I doubt the export market will really dry up for them and it'll be just another quiver for their bow.

I don't think they will find that much market inside the country !! .. all that steel for example !!

China becoming domestic driven is a pipe dream, for instance, what is the GDP PPP / capita? they can't afford to consume that much.

[NRao]

A Balancing Act

Unable to copy/paste.

April 8, 2020.

Article claims, in 2018 China's domestic consumption contributed 76% of the GDP. Up from 50% in 2013.

China still is the largest exporter by value. Shipped $2.294 Trillion in 2018.

[Raveen]

A Balancing Act

Unable to copy/paste.

April 8, 2020.

Article claims, in 2018 China's domestic consumption contributed 76% of the GDP. Up from 50% in 2013.

China still is the largest exporter by value. Shipped $2.294 Trillion in 2018.

As believable as their COVID numbers - if 76% of economy is internal, then why bother with US's trade war? I assure you, .cn = bogus numbers

[chola]

A Balancing Act

Unable to copy/paste.

April 8, 2020.

Article claims, in 2018 China's domestic consumption contributed 76% of the GDP. Up from 50% in 2013.

China still is the largest exporter by value. Shipped $2.294 Trillion in 2018.

As believable as their COVID numbers - if 76% of economy is internal, then why bother with US's trade war? I assure you, .cn = bogus numbers

We don't have to believe them. If their Covid and internal consumption numbers are just lies then they should be at the point of collapse and we have nothing to worry about.

But just in case, these are what the MNCs are seeing.

VW, Tesla and Tata are all reporting growth in sales in China. It's either a case of mass hallucination or there is perchance a big internal economy in Cheen that is feeling safe enough from the chini virus to grow.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/volks ... 2020-06-12

https://electrek.co/2020/06/08/tesla-ma ... cord-high/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... a-recovery

Jaguar Land Rover Posts Surprise Sales Surge in China
By Nikhil Milind Patwardhan , Anurag Kotoky , and Siddharth Vikram Philip
June 15, 2020, 7:56 AM EDT

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/11/business ... index.html

[schinnas]

Both can be true.

Bulk of their covid deaths are in Wuhan which is where fudging happened. Rest of China was relatively less impacted.

Those who buy foreign maal in China are the upper middle class walas. They are among the least impacted with big stimulus money floating around and doing bargain hunting as carmakers push deals. The net Cheen economy tanked big time in 1st quarter.

[Deans]

The ORBAT for the PLA in the Western Theatre command can be assessed from this link (collaborated by a similar Chinese source).
https://jamestown.org/program/snapshot- ... r-command/

Getting even this modest force to the LAC would involve extensive preparation and they would face a IA who outnumbers them both in
the East and West and who have had more time to get into position - even with our poor transport links).

Surprisingly, the only PLA formations in the TAR (Tibet Autonomous Region) are 3 brigades in the Eastern Sector, One of these is at Lhasa
and two are opposite Arunachal. In the West, the nearest formation that can threaten our forces in Ladakh, is a mechanised division with its HQ at Hotan, in Xinjiang. While the distance from Hotan to Daulat Beg Oldi might be 200 km as the crow flies, in reality, getting that formation close to the LAC, would involve a road journey of over 700 km along the G219 highway – due to the intervening mountains. This highway is never closer than 100 km from the LAC. To be in a position to attack Daulat Beg Oldi at a point where the G219 highway is closest, involves a further road journey of around 200 km. None of the tracks leading to the DBO area look like being all weather.

Deans can you update this post?

The PLA has 13 group armies (each of 6 brigades and supporting arms). Each has roughly the firepower of an Indian army corps of 3 divisions.
In addition there are units meant mostly for internal security, in Xinjiang and Tibet.

In the event of all out war, the PLA should be able to deploy the following:

Western Theater:
76th Group Army from Xinjiang. Nearest unit in Hotan, 800 km to the LAC by road.
77th Group Army from Chongqing (East of Tibet).
In addition:
3 Brigades in Tibet & 4 divisions in Xinjiang - seem to be motorised light infantry, mostly for internal security.

Central Theater: This is China's reserve to reinforce any theater
81st, 82nd and 83rd group armies. (all identical with 6 brigades each).
Of these the 82nd army is based in and around Beijing. Its the `anti-coup' army, to protect the regime and in theory would be
deployed to Tibet as a last resort.

It is possible that the 75th group army of the Southern Theater, in Kunming (bordering Vietnam) can be moved opposite Eastern Arunachal.

Thus, the max strength that can be deployed against us - a buildup that will require several weeks and depend on a single highway, is
5 group armies + the equivalent of 1 group Army in Xinjiang + 3 brigades in Tibet.

More significantly, for mountain fighting, a lot of the armored vehicles of these armies will be redundant and will be replaced by
infantry. If a single armored brigade is replaced by an infantry brigade in all 5 group armies, it would mean the PLA has pretty much deployed all
its infantry. The PLA opted to replace infantry with heavy weapons & tech, but in the mountains, infantry is still at a premium.

Against the equivalent of 6 Chinese group armies (Indian corps), we have IV, III & XXXIII corps in Sikkim & the North East.
We have XVI corps in Ladakh, possibly a division from IX corps in Yol and a reserve division for Uttaranchal.
As light infantry in a defensive role, our second line, the ITPB, will be more useful than the People's armed police in an offensive role.

It would take the Chinese about 6 weeks, if they act on a war footing, to transfer all these units to their positions on the LAC ,assuming
3 armies are deployed opposite us in the North East and 3 in Aksai Chin and opposite Uttaranchal. The last arriving units will need time to acclimitize. Even this assumes they first deploy the manpower to unload supplies from the railheads in Lhasa and Hotan and that manpower can work efficiently from day 1, at high altitude and pre-stock large quantities of special grade fuel and lubricants.
We can deploy a lot faster, as we are much closer to the LAC and have supply depots in place.
Ladakh is the only area they can hope to get numerical superiority, with the Depsang plain and Demchok being able to support armored formations.

Air force: Combining the strength of the Western and Central theater - the PLAAF can deploy 288 modern fighters (J10, J11, Su-27 & 30). The constraint they face is the lack of airfields (even after taking into account those under construction) and lack of refuelling tankers to support anything close to this force. All airfields in Tibet import a huge payload penalty on the Chinese. If they operate from outside Tibet there are range limitations. I don't see any of our fighters being deployed from high altitude airfields.
Because of payload penalties, PLAAF helicopters in Tibet are of limited utility.

[Cain Marko]

Ajay Shukla used to be BRF long ago!

Yeah. until his t90 clashed with some of the local Arjuns!

[g.sarkar]

https://thediplomat.com/2020/06/china-u ... d-fiction/
China-US Military Confrontation in the South China Sea: Fact and Fiction
The China-U.S. rivalry in the South China Sea is certainly growing, but war is still some way off.
By Hu Bo, June 12, 2020
No one doubts that the military competition and frictions are real and serious between China and the United States in the South China Sea, when they have rivalrous intentions, tit-for-tat strategies, and daily operational confrontations. China is accused of coercing U.S. allies and partners, militarizing disputed features, and seeking regional hegemony, and the United States is considered to be playing the South China Sea card and containing China’s rise as a maritime power. In the context of overall intensified strategic competition between the two countries, the South China Sea is even less likely to be an exception.
But the question remains: how fierce will the competition be? When every day is filled with news of maritime standoffs between China and the United States, many may wonder, will China and the U.S. slip into military conflict?
Both sides have reasons to maintain and expand their military presence in the South China Sea. China is the largest littoral state of the South China Sea, and has important interests at stake: territorial sovereignty, jurisdictional waters, and sea lanes of communication. With China’s military modernization, it is natural that more and more military platforms are active in the area. Meanwhile the United States thinks highly of maritime predominance, freedom of navigation, and security commitments to regional states. Thus, since the end of World War II, the United States has maintained the most powerful military presence and executed a variety of complex military operations in the South China Sea.
For a long time after World War II, due to China’s weak naval and air forces, there were not many chances for Chinese and American military forces to encounter each other at sea. However, much has changed in the past decade. On the one hand, China’s capacity has rapidly increased, and the progress of the navy and air force is particularly impressive. On the other hand, the United States has grown increasingly worried about China’s rising power and significantly strengthened its naval and air presence since 2009. U.S. aircraft sorties increased by 100 percent to about 1,500, and surface ship presence increased by 60 percent to around 1,000 ship days per year. In this context, frequent military- to-military encounters are inevitable.
Neither side is comfortable with the changing situation. The U.S. military is used to being unparalleled and unchallengeable in the South China Sea and is not ready to accommodate China’s maritime rise. Although the People’s Liberation Army is already very strong materially, it is still a novice spiritually and in the process of learning how to interact with its American counterparts as a mature power.
But neither side seems to have much to offer other than peaceful coexistence. If both sides develop normally, in terms of power, the future of the South China Sea would be a bipolar region, regardless what kind of intentions they have. Moreover, most countries in the region are reluctant to take sides in the China-U.S. power competition. Therefore, it is hard for either side to re-establish a dominant order here.
As the power distribution becomes more balanced, the idea of a managed military conflict is fanciful. One side’s provocation will inevitably invite the other’s retaliation, where spiral escalation is highly possible. Considering that both sides have so many weapon platforms and both are major nuclear powers, the feasibility of a military solution has greatly diminished.
The China-U.S. rivalry in the South China Sea is certainly growing, but war is still some way off. There are several maritime encounters between the two sides every day, and thousands every year. Most of them are professional and safe; only a few have involved some risks. The recent pandemic has made both countries and militaries more sensitive, which, to some extent, has heightened the tension of the situation.
.....
Hu Bo is Director of the Center for Maritime Strategy Research and Research Professor at the Institute of Ocean Research, Peking University.....
Gautam

[chola]

Both can be true.

Bulk of their covid deaths are in Wuhan which is where fudging happened. Rest of China was relatively less impacted.

Those who buy foreign maal in China are the upper middle class walas. They are among the least impacted with big stimulus money floating around and doing bargain hunting as carmakers push deals. The net Cheen economy tanked big time in 1st quarter.

Exactly. Every major economy contracted during this chini virus scourge and every nation has an upper class that can consume. The difference is scale.

Their consuming class can buy 50% more cars than the Amreeki one even during normal times. Comparatively, the percentage is much more now during this time of crisis with lockdown and trade stoppages across the world. If they were dependent on trade their sales numbers would collapse worse than those in the US. But they haven't and are in fact doing much better. This simply cannot happen without a powerful internal market.

The CCP can lie all they want but the fact is no one had trusted the CCP numbers for decades. But companies do trust their own sales figures which is the only reason they are in Cheen. And right now the numbers coming out of Cheen are the only bright spot during the weekly board meetings.

[Mukesh.Kumar]

X-Posting from Korea thread for relevance if highlighted part.

Breaking News

Trouble on Korean peninsula. Reports indicate NoKo blowing up liaison office in its territory.

SCMP

Not a bad development from Indian PoV. Tension in the Korean peninsula will result in US deployment and consequent Lizard's focus there.

[chola]

Cheen is basically shutting out the world. They fear the second wave more than losing trade. And the recent outbreak in Beijing is scaring them even more. They wouldn't do this if they were primarily dependent on trade.

The little known fact is they aren't and hadn't been since the 2008 financial crisis which crushed external demand. Trade though huge is still supplemental to them. The current sales numbers are powered from their internal market onlee.

https://asiatimes.com/2020/06/chinas-fo ... -in-limbo/

China’s foreigner ban leaves businesses in limbo
Executives, teachers and students stranded in their home countries since travel restriction imposed in March

By HELEN ROXBURGH
JUNE 14, 2020

China’s coronavirus travel ban is wreaking havoc among foreign companies and international schools, with many fearing for their future as executives, teachers and students are left stranded in their home countries.

A ban on most foreigners entering the country was implemented in March as the outbreak gathered pace overseas – leaving families separated and firms struggling without key employees.

Even those with valid residence or work permits, or who run businesses, have been shut out, and there was further doubt about when the restrictions would be lifted after a new cluster of infections was detected in Beijing over the weekend.

[Venkarl]

Indian Army officer, 2 jawans killed in violent face-off wit ..

Read more at:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... aign=cppst

The thing we need to understand here is this firing is already gamed by chinese.
We should see how GoI responds to this killing.

[Pashupatastra]

The gauntlet has been thrown and Modi should be up to the challenge. Strolling in Wuhan and swinging with Xi in a swing were for a different times. Modi needs to prove that politicians too can rise to occasion like Shashtri Ji and Indira.

[NRao]

China-US Military Confrontation in the South China Sea: Fact and Fiction
The China-U.S. rivalry in the South China Sea is certainly growing, but war is still some way off.

Two sides to every coin. Get your bag of salt when a Chinese speaks. I would not be surprised if a small balloon goes up before the elections. Not very long for that to happen.

[chola]

China-US Military Confrontation in the South China Sea: Fact and Fiction
The China-U.S. rivalry in the South China Sea is certainly growing, but war is still some way off.

Two sides to every coin. Get your bag of salt when a Chinese speaks. I would not be surprised if a small balloon goes up before the elections. Not very long for that to happen.

I'd like to see Cheen and the US stick-and-stone one another. But I doubt the Amreekis have any patience for that. It'll be a barrage of Tomahawks from their DDGs from the get go.

The balloon won't be small if it goes up.

[NRao]

Two sides to every coin. Get your bag of salt when a Chinese speaks. I would not be surprised if a small balloon goes up before the elections. Not very long for that to happen.

I'd like to see Cheen and the US stick-and-stone one another. But I doubt the Amreekis have any patience for that. It'll be a barrage of Tomahawks from their DDGs from the get go.

The balloon won't be small if it goes up.

It is not what is used, but what the target is. #Rollback.

[Jarita]

In the meantime Uncle is busy rallying it's media assets in India for a strong retaliation while relaxing rules for Panda companies under the guise of "Sam's foot in the innovation door". Both sides, both side

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/16/us-firm ... dards.html
U.S. firms can work with Huawei on setting standards for next-generation technologies, the Department of Commerce said Monday.
The move is significant because it means American firms will be able to have a seat at the table in the formation on so-called standards, which are specification and rules that govern how critical technologies work.
“The United States will not cede leadership in global innovation,” U.S. Department of Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross said in a statement.

Look at aunty protecting various uncles kid while angling for a Harvard job posting
https://twitter.com/BDUTT/status/1272817039191584769

[Jarita]

The gauntlet has been thrown and Modi should be up to the challenge. Strolling in Wuhan and swinging with Xi in a swing were for a different times. Modi needs to prove that politicians too can rise to occasion like Shashtri Ji and Indira.

There is no gauntlet. It's now or never for the PLA with the rapid post building happening on the Indian side. Several factions would have preferred India sit quiet and allow the salami slicing of the UPA era to continue. That will not happen. For the PLA the threat is real for the first time in decades. After a long stretch where they subtly kept shifting the LAC, now posts are coming up on the other side and Indian troops are watching the border with a hawks eye.

[Jarita]

Fun fact: China's biggest supplier for import of iron ore is Australia nearly two thirds of what they import. Whom they consider chewing gum sticking to their shoes...

India exports non renewable raw material to China. Terrible policy

[sudarshan]

X-post from China-Pak border thread.

Very perceptive. This is how the USA also "won the west," making treaties with the natives, then tacitly encouraging private adventurers to venture in and grab land.

I think like the Chinese rogue capitalism where anything goes, the PLA has also got a rogue element. It works as follows - commanding officers give the signal from Beijing saying "we have agreed to a withdrawal etc". And then they add an incentive - "but hey guys, if you can grab some land or kill some Indian soldiers, you will have a special reward/promotion" - "and in case you get caught/killed, too bad for you, we will wash our hands".

So there are rules and goals, and then there are incentives for "stretch goals" which could be achieved by breaking rules.

We on the other hand don't understand how a company of men can violate a withdrawal agreement and protocol signed off by Beijing. In our minds, this is treachery by definition. In Beijing this is business as usual.

Kind of like how a Chinese company would tell its employees to follow all IP rules. And then it has an incentive structure which rewards employees who can magically make competitors specs and designs appear.

[sudarshan]

Please circulate this pic widely, now is the right time.

[sanjaykumar]

Time for the guns of Navarane?

[kancha]

Shared some thoughts on the latest incident in Ladakh.
Twitter Link
Blog Link

From what is known in public domain, it might merely be an unfortunate face-off where both sides came face to face in the night time. Mind you, this is NOT a routine thing, going by previous templates of such engagements which have thus far, only been reported in daytime.
It might just be an unfortunate incident.
After all, despite all safety protocols, at the end of the day it is one body of hundreds of INDIVIDUAL human being interacting with another such body. I did speculate about that in my previous blog – On the Ladakh Standoff Between Indian and China

Facts, atleast as far as the number of fatalities goes, WILL emerge, since the GOI does not hide those. Numbers of non-fatal casualties may or may not be known, though. However, in any case, even in current absence of absolute facts, one this is clear – THINGS AREN’T NORMAL ANYMORE.
Where we go from here, is anybody’s guess.
In any case, what has happened, was inevitable, in my opinion.
Of course, time and circumstances under which it has happened does tend to catch one unawares. However, keeping aside the flood of emotions and anger coursing through the veins, it should rather be taken as a blessing that of the dozens of times that hundreds of troops from both sides have engaged in physical scuffling on the LAC, lives haven’t been lost much earlier.

Bottomline – A clash / conflict with China is a matter of ‘When’, not ‘If’.
Are we seeing the beginning of it?
I’d say YES.
Like it or not, it is unavoidable. At best we may kick the can a few years down the line as we build our capacities. In fact, we’ve already been doing that for some years now. Whether or not we as a Nation want it, fact is that it is coming.
Maybe tomorrow.
Or maybe a few years down the line.
Mind you, the NathuLa clash of 1967 too commenced with a Commanding Officer getting injured in firing by the PLA. Over here, it seems one Commanding Officer has actually died under circumstances that are still not very clear.
Seen in the larger scheme of things, it could also be China lashing out wherever it can, given the immense pressures they are under, thanks to their role in the possible creation and of course, the spread of the virus that resulted in the current COVID-19 pandemic.
However, that doesn’t give them a free pass to kill my soldiers.

And then there are reports of three US Aircraft Carriers in or near the South China Sea.
Of course, I see all this as pieces falling into place in one high stakes game of Wei Qi.
Coming back to the Himalayas, China may have relative advantage on the LAC till such time that things are kept below a boiling point – With weapons secured behind the backs, they needn’t worry about long lines of logistics, right?
Given the fact that PLA has its hands full in other theatres as well, it is really doubtful how they can prevail on the LAC except in a handful of areas in case of a larger conflict.
Herein lies an opportunity, today or maybe a few months down the line, to regain the moral and tactical upper hand on the LAC.

[Varoon Shekhar]

Air marshal Barbora was very disappointing on the Republic TV Debate today, just going off on a general criticism of China( which was not primarily the topic) rather than going into the details of the specific incident or incidents in Galwan. it was dreary and annoying to listen to him. Being a military man, he should have focused on that aspect alone, or at least overwhelmingly.

[Y. Kanan]

At least 20 Indian soldiers killed in border skirmish, PLA casualties unknown
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53061476

At least 20 Indian soldiers were killed in a clash with Chinese forces in Ladakh in the disputed Kashmir region, Indian officials say.

[Roop]

The thing we need to understand here is this firing is already gamed by chinese.
We should see how GoI responds to this killing.

There was no "firing" here. These deaths were caused by pushing/shoving on rocky mountain trails. Soldiers lost their balance and fell down the cliffs, causing immediate deaths as well as serious injuries which later resulted in deaths.

So no exchange of gunfire yet, as far as we know. That is important.

And BTW China has suffered casualties too, we just don't know how many. Commie/jihadi societies do not function in the same manner as open democracies like India. They never admit to having received casualties.

[samirdiw]

If we are not ready to launch into Tibet can someone explain why having daily firefights along the chinese border like we do with pakistan is not a better thing than what is going on now?

Usually the weaker side gains by having a prolonged fight with the stronger side..as the weaker gains in confidence and battle readiness...

[Leonard]

The Chin's think they can HIDE their casualties & Fatalities in 2020 -- but there's always someone with a ear to the ground either humint or techint or other mean's -- like "Harvard" counting the CARS parked in the WOOHAN parking lots ...

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-repor ... in-decades

If Chin's/Pakis think open source Indian OSINT are posting BS ...

US -- Sat's are ALSO paying attention ... This means that THIS is making quite a few WAVES in DC, Maryland, etc ..

>>
American intelligence believes 35 Chinese troops died, including one senior officer, a source familiar with that assessment tells U.S. News. The incident took place during a meeting in the mountainous region between the two sides – both of which had agreed to disarm – to determine how the two militaries would safely withdraw their presences from the region.


The meeting grew tense and resulted in a physical confrontation between the troops. According to the assessment, all of the casualties were from the use of batons and knives and from falls from the steep topography, the source says.

According to the U.S. assessment, the Chinese government considers the casualties among their troops as a humiliation for its armed forces and has not confirmed the numbers for fear of emboldening other adversaries, the source says.
<<

As per GOI & Major Gaurav Arya -- 43 Chinese are ON the way to share the same Paki Hoor's ..

Being a mountaineer/climber, ONCE you slip on STEEP -- moving scree, there is NOTHING to stop you -- very very few firm rock outcroppings or GREEN BELAYS are available in High Alpine Areas .. Rock Fall from moving scree is huge hazard ..

I have seen Microwave size rocks start moving and then keep on Bouncing for 4000' till bottom. Biggest Rock fall I witnessed was a VW Bug size boulder tumble down from ~ 8600' down to valley floor at 3000'.

While descending scree we practice scree skiing .. takes some skill and cojones as the ground is moving ..

[darshan]

Intelligence agencies red-flag 52 apps linked with China that may compromise user data: Report

The Home Ministry had issued an advisory on the use of the video-conferencing app zoom in the month of April on the recommendation of national cyber security agency Computer Emergency Response Team of India (CERT-in).
https://www.opindia.com/2020/06/intelli ... ith-china/

Code: Select all

The 52 apps flagged by the intelligence report are:

    TikTok
    Vault-Hide
    Vigo Video
    Bigo Live
    Weibo
    WeChat
    SHAREit
    UC News
    UC Browser
    BeautyPlus
    Xender
    ClubFactory
    Helo
    LIKE
    Kwai
    ROMWE
    SHEIN
    NewsDog
    Photo Wonder
    APUS Browser
    VivaVideo- QU Video Inc
    Perfect Corp
    CM Browser
    Virus Cleaner (Hi Security Lab)
    Mi Community
    DU recorder
    YouCam Makeup
    Mi Store
    360 Security
    DU Battery Saver
    DU Browser
    DU Cleaner
    DU Privacy
    Clean Master – Cheetah
    CacheClear DU apps studio
    Baidu Translate
    Baidu Map
    Wonder Camera
    ES File Explorer
    QQ International
    QQ Launcher
    QQ Security Centre
    QQ Player
    QQ Music
    QQ Mail
    QQ NewsFeed
    WeSync
    SelfieCity
    Clash of Kings
    Mail Master
    Mi Video call-Xiaomi
    Parallel Space

[Vivasvat]

India rejects market economy tag for China
https://www.livemint.com/news/world/ind ... 36306.html
India on Monday rejected China’s demand to grant it market economy status, amid the ongoing face-off between the two armies along the Line of Actual Control (LAC). New Delhi will continue to treat its neighbour as a non-market economy, which allows it to impose steep anti-dumping duties on imports from China.

the European Union and the US have desisted from granting market economy status to China, citing wide-ranging price control on export commodities by China.

India initiated 18 anti-dumping proceedings in 2019, most of them against China, according to the WTO website.

[pandyan]

must watch video:
Major Gaurav Arya (Retd)
@majorgauravarya
Recall what has been happening in India recently - articles, videos, protests, op-ed pieces, celebrity comments and narratives on social media.

This is perhaps the most important video you will see for a long time. Watch the short video that Major Gaurav Arya has linked:
https://mobile.twitter.com/majorgaurava ... 2616755200

full video here (watch the twitter first):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHFW8GQRcYE

[ramana]

Deans Thanks. Will xpost in Mil Forum.

Jarita welcome back!!!

[Rony]

[kit]

[Cyrano]

Thanks for posting this kit ji