Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby darshan » 17 Jul 2020 16:37

What are cons of Indian MEA referring to SCS with non chinese names? Doesn't Communist china refer to disputed territories with chinese names?

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Philip » 18 Jul 2020 08:02

Nature is playing its part too.15M Chinks evacuatedthanks to the worst flooing in dfcades of the mighty Yangtze river. 140+ dead,15M evacuated,billions lost.Central Jiangxi worst hit,highest Yangtze river basin rainfall since'61. The Poyang lake,largest freshwater lake in the PRC has hot historic highs annd the 3 Gorges Dam reservoir is experiencing rapid inflows.

Br renaming the SCS into the ICS,Tibet as COK,disputed island by the PRC's adversaries names,Malvinas vs Falklands for instance,it would encourage more anti PRC nations to do so,thus reducing the footprint of the PRC at least on the map. This will greatly aid our propaganda war ,equally important as winning the actual war. One must study Dr.Goebbels,the archmeister of them all.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 18 Jul 2020 17:06

https://twitter.com/Kolas_Yotaka/status ... 9867542528
Kolas Yotaka @Kolas_Yotaka {Verified Account | Taiwan Presidential Office Spokesperson. Former journalist, Legislator, Cabinet Spokesperson. Personal account.}

50% -> TSMC share of world semiconductor market
20% -> TSMC revenue from Huawei in 2019
0% -> TSMC sales to Huawei going forward
100% -> How much I support this

Taiwan's TSMC officially announced yesterday it will stop supplying Huawei. Key moments call for clear decisions.

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Postby chola » 18 Jul 2020 17:44

pankajs wrote:https://twitter.com/Kolas_Yotaka/status/1284140129867542528
Kolas Yotaka @Kolas_Yotaka {Verified Account | Taiwan Presidential Office Spokesperson. Former journalist, Legislator, Cabinet Spokesperson. Personal account.}

50% -> TSMC share of world semiconductor market
20% -> TSMC revenue from Huawei in 2019
0% -> TSMC sales to Huawei going forward
100% -> How much I support this

Taiwan's TSMC officially announced yesterday it will stop supplying Huawei. Key moments call for clear decisions.


Huge story. TSMC (and Taiwan, in general) is what allowed Huawei and Cheen to survive after the US ban.

That said, vigilance needs to be kept on Taiwanese companies. Given the chance, they'll supply Cheen again. But right now, TSMC depends on Amreeki design and lithography systems so they have no choice. For now.
https://cntechpost.com/2020/07/12/tsmc-wants-to-continue-supplying-huawei-after-grace-period-report-says/amp/

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby darshan » 18 Jul 2020 18:10

Long term bad news but short term good news. Communists are not anti home grown products so they will resort to growing technology at home. And till then cat and mouse game of making sure Communists aren't bringing things in through other routes would be on. Till US elections are over, it would be hard to say how long this good news would last. I'm sure that Huawei has stocked up on whatever they aren't able to get it made within china along with putting down routes to bring in items in anticipation of bans. They won't have first world customers but communists will always have their third world customers. And, Huawei isn't the only communists owned company. Not all are banned.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby SSridhar » 18 Jul 2020 19:40

A deadly turn on China’s Belt and Road raises the stakes in Pakistan - SCMP
The security risks – and costs – of Belt and Road Initiative projects in Pakistan are rising amid a resurgence of deadly attacks by separatists in southwest Balochistan province, home to the Chinese-operated port of Gwadar.

In the third such attack since May, militant separatists opened fire on a patrolling paramilitary convoy in Panjgur district on Tuesday, killing three soldiers and wounding eight others, including an army colonel, the military said.

Militant ethnic Baloch factions have also recently expanded their range of operations to adjoining Sindh province and its port city of Karachi.

Beijing’s stakes in Sindh are as high as they are in Balochistan. Its state-owned enterprises run container terminals at Karachi port, Pakistan’s busiest, and are invested in nuclear and coal power projects established both under the umbrella of the US$60 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) and in partnership with local corporations.

On June 29, four militants were killed by police commandos when they tried to shoot their way into the Karachi Stock Exchange, which is 40 per cent owned by a consortium of three Chinese bourses.

“Baloch groups have not only intensified their attacks but also expanded the outreach of their terrorist violence beyond Balochistan, but it is hard to predict whether this trend will persist,” said Mohammad Amir Rana, director of the Pakistan Institute for Peace Studies, an Islamabad-based think tank.

He said Baloch insurgent factions had historically preferred to conduct low-intensity attacks, while their high-intensity attacks had tended to come in waves lasting “only for a few weeks”

Rana said CPEC projects and Chinese personnel remained well protected by the dedicated 13,700-strong Special Security Division, led by a two-star Pakistani army general, established in 2017.

“Only low-intensity attacks have been reported around CPEC project sites, but the financial cost of the security [to Pakistan] is high,” he said.

The attack on Karachi’s stock market was claimed by the Majeed Fidayeen Brigade (MFB) of the Baloch Liberation Army, which emerged as a serious security threat to Beijing’s interests in southern Pakistan two years ago.

In August 2018, MFB militants killed three Chinese engineers and wounded five others travelling in a bus in the town of Dalbadin, 930km north of Gwadar – to date, the most lethal attack on Chinese personnel since CPEC was launched in 2015.

The MFB subsequently carried out a foiled attack on the Chinese consulate in Karachi in November 2018.

[b]RISING ANGER[/b]

Beijing’s political risks are also escalating because of a renewed wave of public anger in many parts of Balochistan against human rights
abuses by Pakistani troops
deployed to crush the low-intensity insurgency in the province.

It began in 2006 after Nawab Akbar Bugti, a rebellious former provincial chief minister and senior tribal chief, was killed in an operation ordered by military dictator General Pervez Musharraf.

The alleged abuses included the “enforced disappearances” of hundreds of people suspected of being involved in the insurgency.

In June, Akhtar Mengal, leader of the Balochistan National Party-Mengal, parted ways with the ruling coalition led by Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan, citing the government’s failure to bring a halt to state-enforced disappearances.

In a subsequent interview with the BBC’s Urdu-language service, Mengal said more than 1,500 Baloch had “disappeared” since Khan took office in 2018, and claimed that he had personally secured the release of nearly 500 people from the custody of the security forces.

In an attempt to bring Mengal back into the fold, the government has since reactivated a parliamentary committee tasked with reaching out to disgruntled Baloch leaders.

However, a veteran politician in the Balochistan provincial coalition government said the military was calling the shots, and even oversees most civilian development projects.

“Every two years, a new general is sent to Balochistan to take charge of Southern Command. But when they get here, they seek advice from other soldiers who are also from outside the province, rather than consulting pro-federation local politicians who are in a position to negotiate with insurgency leaders,” said the politician, who sought anonymity because he was contradicting the government’s policies.

“By the time the corps commander gets to grips with Balochistan, he is rotated out and replaced, and the cycle is repeated,” the politician said.

The military continues to push a security-heavy, economy-driven policy reliant on CPEC connectivity projects.

This month, the CPEC Authority chairman, retired lieutenant general Asim Bajwa – who served as corps commander in Balochistan from 2017 to 2019 – said the beginning of construction work on a motorway across the width of Balochistan – from Gwadar to the junction of Pakistan’s national motorway network in eastern Pakistan – would “act as a beacon light for southern Balochistan and change lives”.

While Bajwa was serving in Balochistan, Chinese diplomats met Akhtar Mengal and another nationalist politician to gauge their sentiments towards CPEC and pitch its benefits to them.

Because of the political and security situation in Balochistan, China’s CPEC investments in the province have hitherto been limited to the development of Gwadar port and a road linking it to the coastal highway to Karachi.

The port is not yet fully operational and only recently handled its Afghan transshipment cargo. The city continues to suffer severe power and water shortages.


WEB OF ESPIONAGE

Meanwhile, Chinese geopolitical interests at Gwadar, the Arabian Sea outlet of the corridor running overland from Xinjiang, have become caught up in a web of espionage and proxy warfare involving Pakistan and neighbouring Iran, which has been dealing with an ethnic Baloch insurgency of its own since the early 2000s.

Rather than working together against the rebels as they did during a 1970s uprising backed by a Soviet-supported government in Afghanistan
, Pakistan and Iran have accused each other of allying with each other’s nemeses, India and Saudi Arabia respectively, to support cross-border attacks.

After joining forces under a new umbrella group, Baloch Raji Aajoi Saangar (Bras), militant separatists launched their bloodiest attack in April last year, kidnapping and executing 14 Pakistani servicemen from a bus travelling from Karachi to coastguard and navy bases in Balochistan.

Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi said Bras staged the attack from bases in the adjoining Iranian province of Sistan Baluchestan and subsequently “conveyed the anger of the Pakistani nation” to his Iranian counterpart Javad Zarif in a telephone conversation.

The bloody incident followed the October 2018 kidnapping of 14 Iranian paramilitary soldiers by Jaish ul-Adl, an affiliate of al-Qaeda waging a separatist campaign in southeastern Iran from bases on the Pakistani side of the porous 959km border.

Pakistan’s security agencies have secured the release of 12 of the Iranian soldiers, while two are still being held hostage.

In February last year, a Jaish ul-Adl suicide bomber rammed a bus carrying members of Iran’s elite Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps near the border with Pakistan, killing 27 soldiers.

Iran is highly suspicious of Pakistan and its relationship with Saudi Arabia
, especially since Riyadh was invited in late 2018 to establish a US$10 billion oil refinery and storage facility at Gwadar.

“The Iranians feel that Pakistan is not doing enough to secure the border on its side,” said Seyed Mohammed Marandi, a professor of English literature and oriental studies at the University of Tehran and renowned political commentator.

“A lot of Saudi money has gone to extremist groups in this region and the Saudis have funded these [Jaish ul-Adl] terrorists,” he said.

Similarly, Pakistan is deeply concerned about India’s involvement at Chabahar port, which is competing with Gwadar for transit cargoes heading to landlocked Afghanistan.

The Pakistani authorities arrested an alleged Chabahar-based Indian spy and naval officer, Kulbushan Jadhav, as he entered Balochistan from Iran in March 2016.

After a series of top-level meetings stretching back last year, Pakistan agreed in April to fence its side of the border and in mid-May quietly launched a mopping up operation in adjacent areas, reportedly resulting in the deaths of more than 20 insurgents.

But the operation has also sparked a surge of complaints on social media about human rights abuses from Baloch living in affected areas, particularly after three women were killed in Turbat, Zamuran and Harnai.

Politicians have warned that popular resentment towards federal government policies in Balochistan is dangerously close to igniting a wider uprising.

Former president Asif Ali Zardari last month said the state needed “to be more careful in Balochistan”.

“If another Akbar Bugti-like incident happens, it will be difficult to handle the situation,” he said.


Journalist Kiyya Baloch said Chinese security concerns would continue to drag on the pace at which CPEC projects in Gwadar have been developed.

“Despite increasing diplomatic engagement, it is highly unlikely Beijing will make any significant further investment in Gwadar until security is improved,” Baloch said.



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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby darshan » 18 Jul 2020 22:10

For some reason he left out sport ventures like NBA that have ignored human rights violations in communist china over profits.

Barr Blasts Hollywood, Big Tech For 'Kowtowing' To China
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/16/89197732 ... g-to-china
Attorney General William Barr took aim at U.S. tech companies and Hollywood on Thursday over their relationship with China, accusing them of "kowtowing" to the Chinese government for the sake of profits.

In a nearly 45-minute speech on U.S.-China relations, Barr presented America's response to Beijing's global ambitions as a generational struggle that will define the political future of the world.

He railed against the Chinese Communist Party, calling it authoritarian, corrupt and bent on overturning the U.S.-led liberal democratic order to "make the world safe for dictatorship."

But the attorney general directed some of his sharpest criticism not at China's rulers, but at U.S. businesses that he says jettison American values to chase the lucrative Chinese market.

China is aiming to expand its influence internationally, Barr said, including on U.S. soil via what he called American dupes.

"All too often, for the sake of short-term profits, American companies have succumbed to that influence — even at the expense of freedom and openness in the United States," he said. "Sadly, examples of American business bowing to Beijing are legion."

Barr's first target was Hollywood and the actors, producers and directors whom, he said, "pride themselves on celebrating freedom and the human spirit."

"Every year at the Academy Awards, Americans are lectured about how this country falls short of Hollywood's ideals of social justice. But Hollywood now regularly censors its own movies to appease the Chinese Communist Party, the world's most powerful violator of human rights," Barr said.

"This censorship infects not only versions of movies that are released in China but also many that are shown in American theaters to American audiences."

The attorney general cited a decision by Marvel Studios to change the origins of a key character in the film "Doctor Strange."

In the comic book source material, the character is Tibetan, while in the film version the character is Celtic — a change the screenwriter has said was made to avoid offending China's government and possibly losing access to the country's massive movie market.

America's film industry "is far from alone in kowtowing" to the Chinese government, Barr said, adding that U.S. tech companies "have also allowed themselves to become pawns of Chinese influence."

He pointed to a recent decision by Apple to remove the news app Quartz from its app store in China after Beijing voiced concerns about its coverage of protests in Hong Kong.

Barr also has said business executives need to be aware of what he said were the Chinese government's efforts to use them to further its political interests.

Recently, he said, China has stepped up behind-the-scenes attempts "to cultivate and coerce" U.S. business executives to advance Beijing's own political objectives.

He described a move by Chinese authorities to push American corporate executives to promote — publicly and in conversations with political leaders — policies and actions that benefit China.

"Privately pressuring or courting American corporate leaders to promote policies or U.S. politicians presents a significant threat, because hiding behind American voices allows the Chinese government to elevate its influence and put a 'friendly face' on pro-regime policies," Barr said.

It is unusual for an attorney general to weigh in like this on U.S. relations with a foreign country. But Barr has a particular interest in the U.S.-China relationship dating back to the 1970s when he was an analyst at the CIA on China matters.

His remarks Thursday, though, also fit into a string of recent speeches from senior U.S. officials, including national security adviser Robert O'Brien and FBI Director Christopher Wray, that took aim at China.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby darshan » 19 Jul 2020 02:52

Nikki Haley
@NikkiHaley
If this were any other country but China, the world would be up in arms. Where is the UN now? You will blame Israel 10x over but when it’s China....silence.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NikkiHaley/s ... 2735106048


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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby chola » 19 Jul 2020 03:00

darshan wrote:
Nikki Haley
@NikkiHaley
If this were any other country but China, the world would be up in arms. Where is the UN now? You will blame Israel 10x over but when it’s China....silence.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NikkiHaley/s ... 2735106048



The peaceful being "panda'ed."

Seriously, it will be a serious advantage for them while the rest of the world panders to the peaceful instead of panda'ing them too.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby darshan » 19 Jul 2020 03:15

Vatican continues to be pro abortion when it comes to chinese treatment of minorities. I don't believe that Pope has said a word. The fakeness of this money collecting establishment continues to glow in full colors.

Vatican agreement with China likely to be renewed, archbishop says
https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2020/06/vat ... shop-says/
ROME – Italian Archbishop Claudio Maria Celli said in a recent interview that while the Vatican’s relationship with China is complex, a 2018 provisional agreement on the appointment of bishops will likely be renewed.

“The provisional agreement with China expires in September of this year and we must find a formula, we must see what to do,” Celli said in a recent interview with the Stanze Vaticane program of Italian television network, TGCOM24.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Shanmukh » 19 Jul 2020 06:37

I have a newbie question - what is it that China hopes to gain by taking over Chabahar when it already has Gwadar? I mean-apart from the negatives of keeping the Indians out? Is there a commercial angle to the Chinese trying to take over Chabahar? Or is it a back-up in case the Gwadar thing comes to a dead halt with India playing spoilsport in Baluchistan or even Gilgit-Baltistan?

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby ricky_v » 19 Jul 2020 07:23

Posting bean counting expert advice by us settled indian here as do not want to profane the military thread. This piece is either a masterful bait or it heralds a new beginning in outrage lolnarlism.
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/4-reasons-why-india-couldnt-win-war-china-165053
Amit Gupta is an Associate Professor at the USAF Air War College.

The coronavirus and the economic downturn caused by currency demonetization, when coupled with an expensive war, however, limited the latter might be, could lead to a serious downturn in an economy that is already bleeding. The problem gets compounded by the fact that unlike the aging populations of Europe, India is a young nation with a median age of twenty-seven. Employment, therefore, becomes important for the prevention of large-scale unrest and a war that further weakens the economy would not help.

China, however, is not going to fight a 1962-like war and will, instead, depend on increased mobility and better fire-power to inflict casualties on India. The fear then is that the Indians would achieve marginal gains at severe economic costs or get a bloodied nose and have little to show for it. No one in India seriously believes that the Indian military could get back the land it lost to China in the 1962 war.

Further, the Chinese have a $14 trillion economy compared to India’s $2.9 trillion economy and could, therefore, sustain a conflict over a longer period of time. The Indian estimates on a war are based on a rosy picture where it goes on for a couple of weeks and then there is diplomatic intervention by the international community. But things may not go according to Indian calculations and there are doubts about how long India could sustain a war effort.

To sum up, why fight an economically draining conflict to achieve what are at best-limited objectives?

Thirdly, the international community is not going to give substantial support to India and, instead, likely to adopt a neutral position in the conflict particularly since the Chinese now have created economic interdependencies around the world that are making other countries less willing to challenge China’s perceptions and actions in world affairs.

Economically speaking, the Indians cannot compete with the Chinese in terms of providing alternative supply chains to western manufacturers but they can provide a prize that the west would find hard to resist—and that is the award of contracts for India’s 5G network to western companies. For India, it would help send a message to China that it does have other economic alternatives and that it can piggyback off the West’s technological prowess to launch its own future economic and technological growth which will depend on the successful adaptation of 5G and artificial intelligence (AI) into different parts of the Indian economy.

While making the economy more open to global investment is a first step, the real shift may have to come in a reorientation of Indian foreign policy with a hard look at the policy of nonalignment

India needs to reconsider the policy and take a side in the international power rivalry—and that side means a closer link to the United States. Such a closer link may take the form of giving the U.S. Navy a strategic base along the Indian coast or in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands since would give the United States a strategic chokepoint to the Strait of Malacca.Giving the United States a base on Indian territory, however, raises the costs for both Pakistan and China of waging a war—whether limited or full-blown—because it would raise the ire of Washington and that is something that Islamabad certainly does not want while Beijing would have to reconsider its strategy.

The current Indian government has been pressing for a “Make in India” policy, especially for modern weapons systems. The problem with implementing this objective has been two-fold. As seen in the case of the recent Rafale purchase, where India wanted to build the plane at home, the country lacked the trained scientific personnel, infrastructure, and machine tools to do the job so the cost of the project ballooned. The bigger problem, however, which led to a choice of a French airplane over an American one, was that there were questions about India safeguarding American supplied technology. A formal alliance would go a long way to removing such concerns in Washington.

The current Indian government has been pressing for a “Make in India” policy, especially for modern weapons systems. The problem with implementing this objective has been two-fold. As seen in the case of the recent Rafale purchase, where India wanted to build the plane at home, the country lacked the trained scientific personnel, infrastructure, and machine tools to do the job so the cost of the project ballooned. The bigger problem, however, which led to a choice of a French airplane over an American one, was that there were questions about India safeguarding American supplied technology. A formal alliance would go a long way to removing such concerns in Washington.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Y I Patel » 19 Jul 2020 08:56

How do such morons become professors?

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Suraj » 19 Jul 2020 10:45

The National Interest isn’t really a serious source of geopolitical content. It’s functionally a tabloid with eye catching headlines.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby sanjayc » 19 Jul 2020 11:06

Amit Gupta is an Associate Professor at the USAF Air War College


He is just singing for his supper (house negro)

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 19 Jul 2020 11:09

A "USAF Air War College" prof does not know that the US is sitting at the choicest of the choke point on Malacca strait i.e. at Singapore where the strait narrows down to some 40 km and the safe navigation channel is less than 2 km wide, IIRC. Kra canal proposal is to enable China to by pass Singapore and not Andaman sea!

This is not a serious piece. Either he hasen't studied the subject or he is trying to impress his gora paymasters and public.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby KL Dubey » 19 Jul 2020 11:11

Y I Patel wrote:How do such morons become professors?


By virtue of being morons...in Alabama, arguably so ? :lol:

More seriously, this is just some random guy whom nobody in his own department probably listens to.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Rsatchi » 19 Jul 2020 13:25

https://www.deccanherald.com/national/p ... 62867.html
Who is copying whom?
Chinese army from Pakis or the other way round!
Either way both armies have turned into industrial conglomerates

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby darshan » 19 Jul 2020 18:53

pankajs wrote:
This is not a serious piece. Either he hasen't studied the subject or he is trying to impress his gora paymasters and public.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/amit-gupta-0219a315

Not the topic of this thread but these paycheck collectors do drive narratives at many places as they do get audiences. Lot of them being their students and various MIC customers. There are white ones like him too. Easy job and assignment compared to being a professor at non military universities. Many times they're doing nothing but check the box work. Let's say I need to submit some big proposal and I got this stupid section that needs to be filled up to check the box. Intelligent ones would ignore them but there are always non intelligent ones that would be of a concern as the system still moves them up to places in the bureaucracy. Check box checkers like him end up leaving impressions on gullible audiences and their presentations get repeated at various times. An example would be a DRDO product being clubbed with august company of pakistani products representing threats out there for which one needs to make a counter weapon as this could be sold to anyone out there. A presenter was a white guy from a similar joint like this Gupta chap. He was a technical guy but had a few slides given to him by someone like Gupta to build up his weapon system narrative. Something like this was head scratching for me for many different reasons. However, I was probably the only one scratching the head there. Everyone else there was going home with the presentation narrative. The weapon system being discussed already had an enemy designated and he didn't have a single thing in this prelude about this enemy. It was by a design as disclosure of the enemy was classified. However, the audience would've still walked out thinking that DRDO products get sold out on eBay. Little that they knew that DRDO on daily basis begs Indian customers to buy it. The main threat I see from Gupta guy that was highlighted is peddling of technology not being safeguarded. It's not an intelligent and technical guys who get worked up about it but the bureaucracy with the ability to not sign off. Very recent example I saw was where an uninformed bureaucrat who probably went through many presentations of people like Gupta and had built up a mindset. This mindset caused a schedule delay of a year because his refusal to sign off. The reason was there were passive components in a production equipment that came from a particular country. The components: inductors and capacitors filtering dc power. However, he had no issue on signing off on everything else in the room that came from the same country including computers.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby darshan » 19 Jul 2020 21:27

Chinese firms in India to be scrutinised for potential security threats and links with the Chinese Army
https://www.opindia.com/2020/07/chinese ... links-pla/

Reportedly, fresh Chinese investment in Indian companies including startups will now be scrutinized in detail to ensure that they do not pose any security threat. Meanwhile, the Ministry of Finance and SEBI (Securities and Exchange Board of India) is planning to impose checks on FII (Foreign institutional investors) from China while ensuring that it does not affect the Indian market sentiment. “The data are being looked at and the two agencies will decide the threshold and the system of reporting and monitoring,” the report stated.

The Indian government has raised concerns not only over Huwaei but also foreign investments in Indian startups, a part of China’s ‘military-civil fusion’ policy. Reportedly, mining, steel, and several Chinese auto companies had links with the PLA in the past. As per the report, the Indian government is also scrutinising ‘overseas entities’ from Europe with investments in Indian companies where the foreign player is controlled by a Chinese company. The Department for Promotion of Industry and Internal trade is finalising the guidelines which include pegging ‘significant beneficial ownership’ threshold at 10% under the Companies Act.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Philip » 20 Jul 2020 01:14

The UK is piling on the pressure on the PRC,first a ban on Huawei,now criticising its human rights record,Hong Kong,now the incarceration of the Uighars in concentration camps Nazi style.The GOI must apart from military moves,strongly condemn the PRC's human rights record in Tibet,etc.,and carry out expulsion of its top diplomats. Bans on PRC goods is along with dpl. punishment,the easiest way to hurt the PRC "without firing a shot".

China's UK ambassador denies abuse of Uighurs despite fresh drone footage
Liu Xiaoming blames reports of forced sterilisation of women on ‘anti-China elements’
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ne-footage

Human rights groups and western governments have catalogued systematic attacks on the Muslim Uighur minority in China’s western region, including mass forced sterilisation and detainment in “re-education” camps.

Drone footage of hundreds of blindfolded and shackled men, who appeared to be Uighur and other minority ethnic groups, being led from a train in what was believed to be a transfer of inmates in Xinjiang last August.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby KLNMurthy » 20 Jul 2020 03:43

Y I Patel wrote:How do such morons become professors?


I doubt that he is himself a moron; maybe the line of US strategic thought that imagines that something like this will nudge India into becoming a US chamcha is moronic.

The guy is faculty in a US Defense department college. So, it is obviously a lifafa article sponsored by US Deep State elements who want to create pressure for India to become a US "ally" aka chamcha. It's a moronic idea but not surprising since every single article on Galwan from US strategic community that I have seen has the same theme: Chinese have gone and done it. Now India has no choice other than to become US chamcha.

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Postby darshan » 20 Jul 2020 18:06

People were just sleeping till now. Youth in India should be able to do lot of investigations about chinese from cyber to economic war. GoI needs to incentivize young ones to research and publish as much as possible. That will take out the babus from the middle and prevent any filtering of information.

Four Chinese Companies In India May Be Sharing Intel With PLA; Centre Traces Links With Chinese Military
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/four-chin ... e-military
According to the report, a 2017 Chinese Intelligence Law empowers government authorities to conduct raid on suspects while companies like Huawei, ZTE and TikTok provide intelligence for such raids. The companies are reportedly obliged to share information and cooperate with Chinese intel agencies irrespective of where they operate from.

"Any organisation or citizen shall support, assist and cooperate with the state intelligence work in accordance with the law. The state protects individuals and organisations that support, assist and cooperate with national intelligence work," Article 7 of the law reads.

The four identified companies are -- Xindia Steels, Xinxing Cathay International Group, China Electronics Technology Group Corporation (CETC), and Huawei.

Xindia Steels is a joint venture between India and China and has recently established an iron ore pelletisation unit in Karnataka.

Xinxing Cathay International Group, which is the main shareholder in Xindia Steels, also has its own manufacturing plant in Chhattisgarh.

While mobile phone giant Huawei has large sales operations in India, the CETC is going to invest $46 million in a 200 megawatt PV facility in Andhra Pradesh.

It is worth mentioning an interesting piece of information, that Huawei's founder Ren Zhengfei was earlier a deputy director of the PLA's engineering corps. The CETC too has been a major military electronics maker for the PLA.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 20 Jul 2020 20:12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqZTAFuGpa8
Andaman-Nicobar As India's Springboard To East


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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Chinmay » 20 Jul 2020 22:45

A US fighter pilot calls out the recent Chinese J-10 dogfighting video


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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby g.sarkar » 21 Jul 2020 11:41

I have been reading how the Three Gorges Dam is about to collapse for the last few weeks. Things must be serious by now:
https://www.thestar.com.my/aseanplus/as ... eep-rising
China braces for more floods on Monday (July 20) as Yangtze water level keep rising
Sunday, 19 Jul 2020

BEIJING, July 19: Heavy rains sent the water level at China’s Yangtze River to a new high, raising the possibility of more seasonal floods on Monday (July 20) after earlier ones left over 140 people dead or missing and thousands being displaced from their homes.
The Three Gorges Dam, which was built in Hubei province to generate electricity and mitigate flooding, is under pressure as more rains are expected in coming days, with millions of people already forced from their homes, Bloomberg reported on Sunday (July 19).
Chinese state media said a second, and the strongest, wave of floods along the Yangtze River has arrived at the Three Gorges Reservoir and is reaching its peak on Saturday (July 18).
The rate of inflow into the reservoir rose to 61,000 cubic metres per second, sending the water level to 160.17 metres and exceeding the flood limit by 15 metres.
Flooding since July has destroyed more than 12,000 homes, damaged 380,600 hectares of crops and affected over 20 million people in 24 provinces, mainly in southern China.
Direct economic losses due to the worst flooding in decades are estimated at 49 billion yuan (US$7 billion), according to the Ministry of Emergency Management.
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Also see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6qJ4oynQYE

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Postby pankajs » 21 Jul 2020 13:31

https://taiwanenglishnews.com/taiwan-in ... this-week/
“Taiwan Invasion Prevention Act” to be introduced to US Congress this week
“With South Korea and Japan and the United States, we’re doing enough. That trilateral arrangement, that agreement between those three countries, that is one of the strongest relationships in national security.”

“Are we doing enough with Taiwan? No. Since Henry Kissinger’s days and forward, there’s been strategic ambiguity about our policies between Taiwan and China.”

“We are introducing a bill next week, and it’s going to be called the Taiwan Invasion Prevention Act, and this is something that’s going to lay very clear what our intent is. In fact, it’ll go to the point where it authorizes an AUMF (Authorization for Use of Military Force) if China invades Taiwan, and it’ll be a sunset for five years, that AUMF, that would authorize the president to use force”.

https://twitter.com/mikepillsbury/statu ... 4198757378
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UK-China relations: from ‘golden era’ to the deep freeze https://ft.com/content/804175d0-8b47-44 ... ded76f48e4 via @financialtimes

https://twitter.com/PeterNavarro45/stat ... 5795656705
Peter Navarro @PeterNavarro45

REQUIRED READING: Another pandemic or biowarfare attack disguised as viral contagion, could paralyze U.S. economically and militarily. Reducing American dependence on China-sourced pharmaceuticals and health-care products should therefore be a PRIORITY.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby chetak » 21 Jul 2020 13:38

This plane is equipped with a cardiogram monitor, respirator and other devices.
:mrgreen:

I am sure that the next plane to arrive will be eqipped with even more advanced medical items like gauze and bandages.


Frightened by Galwan wounds China deploys ‘flying hospital’ in Tibet


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Top military sources say Beijing is wary of Indian Army’s preparations and the move is aimed at saving the lives of PLA soldiers in a Galwan-like violent face-off in future.

July 21, 2020,
Rakesh Kumar Singh


China, frightened by the vigorous preparations of the Indian Army in Ladakh and after the retort in the Galwan Valley, has now deployed its first ever “flying hospital” in the high-altitude area of Tibet. According to sources, the Chinese military has taken this step to save the lives of soldiers during any possible conflicts with India. With the help of this “flying hospital”, China will be able to transport its wounded soldiers to hospitals located thousands of kilometres away. China fears that if there is a conflict with India, it may urgently need medical help.

In the meantime, to make things further uneasy for the Dragon, American warship NIMITZ, which is also included in the US Navy’s Seventh Fleet, has arrived at the Andaman and Nicobar Islands on Sunday and will now patrol the Indian Ocean near the Indian islands.

Top sources say, the Chinese military’s health facilities in the area bordering India are very poor and it has been forced to deploy Y-9 medical aircraft. According to the South China Morning Post, three officers were seriously injured during a Chinese military exercise and the injured officer was sent to a hospital 5,200 km away for better treatment by a Y-9 medical aircraft. The officer was taken to Shijing Hospital later on.

According to experts associated with Chinese defence, lives have to be saved in a skirmish like Galwan and hence, the purpose of this plane is to improve the health facilities in the highaltitude areas, especially on the Indian border. India and China have thousands of kilometres long border, but without any clear border line.

On 15-16 June, 20 Indian soldiers were killed in a bloody clash in the Galwan Valley, while more than 40 Chinese soldiers were believed to be killed, although China has not disclosed any details about the exact numbers of casualties. International agencies also say that more than 40 Chinese soldiers were killed. Senior Chinese military officials believe that the lives of many Chinese soldiers could have been saved if medical facilities had been provided.

According to sources, in case of a clash like Galwan, it is necessary to improve the health facilities so that the death toll can be kept to a minimum. The senior Chinese official said, “Y-9 is a flying hospital and it will prove to be very helpful in saving the lives of seriously injured soldiers. In addition, several hospitals in the Himalayan region bordering India have been equipped with Hyperbaric Oxygen Chambers for first aid. China is modernising all its hospitals in the region. This plane is equipped with a cardiogram monitor, respirator and other devices.”

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 21 Jul 2020 13:38

https://twitter.com/mikepillsbury/statu ... 5420372992
Michael Pillsbury @mikepillsbury

Winning The Spectrum: Pentagon Unveils New Strategy “The PLA’s reliance on pre-planned, static systems of systems and tactics could be a liability against highly dynamic and unpredictable U.S. spectrum operations. The EM Spectrum Superiority Strategy”
https://www.hudson.org/research/16045-w ... w-strategy
Seems to be what happened @ Galwan.

The moment the PLA's "pre-planned & static system/tactics" was trashed by the Indian army they had no response and went into a panic.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby nam » 21 Jul 2020 14:21

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/indias-electrical-equipment-industry-mass-cancels-imports-from-china-to-buy-from-nations-like-taiwan

India's electrical and electronics equipment industry has started a mass-cancellation of import orders from Chinese companies. It is now seeking new markets to import raw materials regardless of higher cost, Economic Times has reported.

It has been speculated that Chinese companies keep the prices of their goods artificially low to beat the competition



A perfect example of how it is our own who are responsible for high import from Chini. There are enough alternatives, but our lot want to play it cheap. CCP subsidies the Chini production and our traders help them in destroying our manufacturing capability.

Fearing a GoI crackdown on Chini imports, our lot are diversifying their supplier base.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby darshan » 21 Jul 2020 23:02

Not surprising that no urban naxals or muslims are walking around with the list and requesting any action. All chinese bought.


US Blacklists 11 More Chinese Firms For Involvement In Uyghur Persecution In Xinjiang; 48 Companies Sanctioned So Far
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/us-blackl ... ned-so-far

The United States Department of Commerce on Monday (20 July) slapped sanctions on 11 Chinese companies for their involvement in human rights violations in connection with China's treatment of Uighurs Muslims in Xinjiang, reports Economic Times.

These 11 companies are the third such group of Chinese companies to have been added to the economic blacklist. The US has asserted that the companies were involved in using forced labor by Uighurs and the other minority Muslim groupings in China.

The blacklisted companies include several textile companies and two firms that, the US Commerce Department said, were conducting genetic analyses used to further the repression of Uyghurs and other Muslim minorities in Xinjiang.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Vivasvat » 22 Jul 2020 03:22

Gravitas: How China is weaponising water
According to a report in 2016, China has built 87,000 dams. Why does China need so many dams? Because, it wants to turn water into a weapon.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Philip » 22 Jul 2020 13:12

MK Narayan,former NSA has a piece in the Hindu how to deal with the PRC," Main planks in a counter- PRC." Forget who he is or was,he had a lot of negative baggage durung his time as NSA,but study the points made and decide upon their worth.

Objectives:
Firstly, the PFC's objective.It is not certain that it can win a war with India ,hence the constant nibbling away at our territory,hence the huge mil. buildup by stealth to create a fabourable situ on the ground.It now wants to create " buffer zones" on Indian territory,appears to be succeding in this and will be the first time it
will gain a foothold on the west of the Kongka Pass. Here,experts on the LAC,boundaries actual or perceived, will have to determine the accuracy of the statement.

Huge preparations were reqd. to create the current situ. Whether expansionist or not," humbling India" in the eyes of Asia was a main objective. Here,we on BRF for several years warned about this very happening,how XI would " teach" Modi the same Nehruvian lesson,etc.,as MKN says,it was a serious strategic miscalculation on our part. Absolutely right on this one ,the MEA's PRC policy is in tatters,like Humpty Dumpty,the MEA and Jaishankar have had a great fall and" all the kings horses and all the king's men can't put it together again." In fact,the PM should replace him.He is not from the party faithful but an ex-babu who parachuted into this critical post after Sushma S. tragically passed on. He has clearly failed as FM. One can think of a few names who would bring steel to the ministry,but discretion forbears mentioning them.

The PRC is most to blame,wanting to displace the US both as a continental as well as maritime power,transforming Asia into its own image.

Raise the Divisions:
As some former generals have also been saying,raise the shelved Mountain Strike Corps.The PRC will only respect military strength.Mere stockpiling of weapons won't deter it.We must not only possess a strong military but also know when to use it.
Yes,the threat of India invading COT ( PRC Occupied Tibet) and attempting to liberate Tibet, must be uppermost in its mind as a deterrent to pushing us too far on the boundary dispute. We should not also be sensitive to domestic politics to dictate our actions.

Diplomatic offensives:
Use heavyweight ministers, well-known personalities ,etc. in a diplomatic offensive to convince foreign nations as to the PRC's perfidy on the border and its mala fide intentions. Here,though he's not mentioned it,the PRC's actions against the Uighars,in Hong Kong,ICS,etc.,apart from the bio- warfare of hhe China virus,will make it far easier to convince world govts. of the PRC's perfidy and diabolic intentions.The PRC and XI today are behaving like neo- Nazis of the 21st. crntury,with XI setting out to emulate the Fuhrer,Adolf Hitler.

One outfit he espouses leveraging is the NAM,whose nations in yesteryear had great respect for India esp.Afro- Asian nations. I've been saying the same for years.Sadly our current incumbent of the FM's chair, has ignored it totally,even making a statement in today's media that it was of a bygone era. How does he then explain how the PRC has a military base ar Djibouti and has just signed a huge deal with Iran? Ignoring smaller states of the NAM,etc. and climbing aboard the US bandwagon hasn't prevented these events from happening.Had we better relations with both countries, these may never have taken place. Therefore we need to dust off our NAM and Afro- Asian policies of tech. and aid assistance to counter the PRC which is using the debt trap trick to ensnare poor nations.

Peace vs aggression:
We must do more for nations facing similar PRC
harassment than before, nations in the neighbourhood which we're losing to the PRC ,etc., instead of only embracing the Quad.
I've said many a time before that India must create its own sphere of influence,like a magnet drawing lesser nations unto its own orbit instead of being a camp follower of others.We can also conduct joint naval exercises with Malaysia,Indonesia,Vietnam,the Phillipines,Singapore,who are not Quad members. Even Burma and Bangladesh can join in to forestall the PLAN.

A united face:
The country must stand united together. Wonderful,we're all for it! However he must first tell Mr." Rahu Gandhi" about this .Any differences with the current GOI at a time of national crisis can better be discussed behind closed doors. Even if Rahu G is right in his assessment, publicly slanging the PM only plays into the PRC's hands.There must surely be opposition to would-be emperor XI in Beijing,but do you see any open criticism at all? Similarly,if Rahu G has any iota of intel he would better be advised to take an all- party group to meet the PM,etc. discreetly where they can have a frank discussion and come out standing together in a grand show of national unity. We must look at how the Brits resolved their major differences in WW2 Lord Halifax ,the Foreign Sec.was totally opposed to Churchill,wanting a diplomatic peace with Germany.Churchill prevailed in the famous leadership battle.There are no minutes or details of that fateful leadership meeting even to this day.He remained in Churchill's wartime cabinet for some time,later posted as ambassador to the US,a crucial appointment.

MKN's reticence on this perhaps questions where his sympathies really lie. Is he trying to carve some space for himself at the table in the time of crisis?

Another point he makes is spot on.Giving HH the Dalai Lama his rightful recognition by India and the promotion of Tibetan Buddhism by India,land of the Buddha. It has been a most conspicuous blot on the face of Indian foreign policy for decades. However,what did HE advise his masters when he was NSA? Why didn't he propound this bold initiative then? That it should become a key plank in India's foreign policy as he advocates is fine,better late than ndver.

One major omission in his analysis is relations with Russia,our chief arms provider and erstwhile backer against foreign intervention during the Cold War.Ironic today almost 50 yrs. on when the Soviets sent their N- subs to the IOR to counter the USS Enterprise during thd fag end of the '71 war. Today the IN is happily exercising with the USS Nimitz in the ANC theatre!
Not that Russia is not with us,on the contrary.It is supplying us with our most potent cutting edge weaponry like N-subs and their tech.
for our SSBN pyogramme,S- 400 SAMs, BMos missiles, and a host of other weaponry and munitions.The DM recently made an urgent visit to Moscow to seal urgent acquisitions. Russia therefore until our desi programmes yeild results,decades away, will continue to be our military mainstay.Regular mil-ex with it and friends like Vietnam,etc. must carry on,if only to show the PRC that its new-found friendship with Ru has limits.The much-touted "Vladivostok- Madras/ Chennai corridor" must be energised,not wallow in the doldrums like Chahbahar.In addition,India has massive manpower that Russia lacks to open up and industrialise Siberia and the Vladivostok region,etc. This could be of immense two-way benefit for both countries. Ru is also exploring/ accepting rouble payments to avoid US sanctions,another plus point. At all costs we must prevent the Ru- PRC relationship the result of asinine US policies towards Russia,domestically driven by vested interests, from harming India.Our objective should be in strengthening it to previous heights.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby anmol » 22 Jul 2020 14:56

@AFP
#BREAKING Beijing says US ordered it to close Chinese consulate in Houston
@AFP
#UPDATE The United States has ordered China to close its Houston consulate, Beijing said Wednesday, in what it called a "political provocation" that will further harm diplomatic relations

@AFP
"China urges the US to immediately withdraw its wrong decision, or China will definitely take a proper and necessary response," said foreign ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin, adding they were told Tuesday the consulate would have to close
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The CCP is burning Documents at the consulate— the Japanese did the same thing just before bombing Pearl Harbour!
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Postby Philip » 22 Jul 2020 15:27

Dangerous news! Is this happening at other consulates or only the one in Texas? They could be destroying evidence of espionage,etc.

Incidentally,the Indo-Russian Logistics agreement similar to that signed with the US will be signed during the annual Indo- Ru summit later this year. Good to know that at least on this aspect of our For. policy, we're on the ball.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Narad » 22 Jul 2020 16:13

chetak wrote:

Frightened by Galwan wounds China deploys ‘flying hospital’ in Tibet

In the meantime, to make things further uneasy for the Dragon, American warship NIMITZ, which is also included in the US Navy’s Seventh Fleet, has arrived at the Andaman and Nicobar Islands on Sunday and will now patrol the Indian Ocean near the Indian islands.

So it is clear that Nimitz battle group isnt sailing towards middle eastern seas as claimed by some posters here. It is very much within the conflict zone. Unkil is meticulously tightening the screws on the lizard. :twisted:

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby g.sarkar » 22 Jul 2020 16:30

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/22/us-orde ... texas.html
U.S. State Department orders China to close consulate in Houston as Beijing vows retaliation
WED, JUL 22 2020

The U.S. State Department confirmed on Wednesday it had ordered China to close its consulate in Houston, Texas, prompting Beijing to insist on firm countermeasures unless Washington immediately reverses its decision.
The move comes as political tensions between the world’s two largest economies continue to escalate.
U.S. State Department spokesperson Morgan Ortagus said the directive to close China’s Consulate General Houston had been made to protect American intellectual property and the private information of its citizens.
The Vienna Convention states diplomats must “respect the laws and regulations of the receiving State” and “have a duty not to interfere in the internal affairs of that State,” Ortagus continued.
She added that Washington would not tolerate the People’s Republic of China’s violations of U.S. sovereignty and intimidation of our people, just as we have not tolerated the PRC’s unfair trade practices, theft of American jobs, and other egregious behavior.
China has since condemned the decision, warning of firm countermeasures if the U.S. failed to urgently rescind the order. “The unilateral closure of China’s consulate general in Houston within a short period of time is an unprecedented escalation of its recent actions against China,” Foreign Ministry spokesperson Wang Wenbin said at a daily news briefing, Associated Press reported. The U.S. has given China three days to close the consulate in the Texas city, China’s Foreign Ministry spokesperson said.
KPRC, an NBC News affiliate in Houston, Texas, obtained video footage on Tuesday from a resident near to China’s consulate which appeared to show a small fire burning in the courtyard of the building.
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Philip » 22 Jul 2020 16:55

Chinese RMCQ cranes for the Chahbahar port haven't arrived 3 years after the GOI ordered them,hampering operations at the port,further ruining our relations with Iran.Why has the GOI repeatedly ordered PRC goods well-knowing it is India's foremost enemy even after Doklam? The order for these cranes was placed at the "height of the Doklam crisis !" Are there vested interests in babudom benfitting from an appeasement of the PRC? We are in shit st. as there are no alternative crane makers willing to supply in the face of US sanctions agsinst Iran.This is forcing India to keep the order alive.

Alternatives could include Russia perhaps,not botheted about sanctions and willing to accept rouble payment.Why the GOI which got US grudging support for the CB port hasn't been tapped for an exception beats me,as we are such great strategic bum chums thanks to our FM! Deadlines should bf made and plan Bs sourced somehow. The CB port projdct's progress is a sad dxample of our incompetence degrading our international reputation.Similar delays bedevilled projects in SL too,why they turned to China.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby chola » 22 Jul 2020 17:00

Wow! Closing a consulate on such short notice is pretty big.

Fireworks in the SCS soon? My warmongering self can't wait. lol


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