Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Prasad » 18 Aug 2020 16:33

g.sarkar wrote:Hanumaduji, Unfortunately,Tibetans are led by the Dalai Lama, who is considered to be the reincarnation of Avalokiteshvara, the Bodhisattva of Compassion. The Dalai Lama can not endorse violence, as he personifies compassion. I have great respect for him and his non-violence. But he makes a poor war leader and can not set a warrior type of example. Gandhian non-violence fails against the barbaric Chinese hordes. This is of course just my personal opinion of a great leader and thinker.
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The Tibetans did try to stop the PLA before getting rolled over. There was a cia funded underground program in the latest 50s &60s. So even the current Dalai Lama wasn't adverse to using force. The Dzungarians (Buddhists) were aided by the Tibetans against the Qing & Uighurs. When the Qing forces won out, they decimated the dzungarians & settled Han, Hui & Uighurs in their place - Northern Xinjiang. Now the Han & Hui & Uighurs are fighting over the spoils in X. The Huis are more Sinic while the Uighurs are more Turkic & don't like each other very much. Ideally e should've started before the massive crackdown in Tibet. It might be a lot tougher now but where there is a will...

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby g.sarkar » 19 Aug 2020 09:26

China has not been invited to the international military maritime drills off the coast of Hawaii.
https://www.economist.com/international ... l-exercise
No drunken sailors, Aug 16th 2020
America musters the world’s biggest naval exercise
The drills come as America and China are locking horns across Asia

THE REAL draw of the biennial “Rim of the Pacific” exercise, or RIMPAC, is the cocktail party. The world’s largest naval drills, hosted by America in Hawaii, offer sailors an opportunity not only to hone their skills with friendly navies from across the world—including the chance to sink a clapped-out American warship as target practice—but also to cement alliances in a more bibulous and convivial fashion aboard one another’s destroyers, perhaps followed by after-parties in the insalubrious corners of Honolulu. This year’s exercise, which runs from August 17th to 31st, will be a more abstemious affair. With Hawaii’s covid-count rising, social events ashore are cancelled and fewer countries are scheduled to attend.
Though the drills may be pared down, the stakes are higher than ever. With the relationship between America and China in apparent freefall, military tensions between the two rivals are growing across the so-called first island chain in the western Pacific, stretching from Malaysia in the south to Japan in the North. In the South China Sea, for instance, China has tangled with the Philippines, Vietnam and Malaysia in recent months by harassing fishing boats, stalking others’ oil-exploration vessels and sending its own survey ships into disputed waters.
America has also entered the fray more enthusiastically. In July it formally repudiated China’s claim to offshore resources in the South China Sea as “completely unlawful”, dispatched a pair of aircraft-carriers to the area for the first time in almost six years and held joint exercises with Australia and Japan. China’s reply was to conduct live-fire drills, peppering naval targets with what state media claimed were more than 3,000 projectiles. The mood remains febrile. Last week the Philippines’ navy chief complained that China’s navy was trying to provoke his ships into “firing the first shot”, and on August 14th an American carrier returned.
The temperature is also rising around Taiwan, the democratic island that China claims as its territory. In July, Taiwan’s envoy to America was allowed to enter the State Department for an official meeting—something virtually unheard of since America cut formal diplomatic ties with the island in 1979. That was a “a big deal”, noted Drew Thompson, a former Pentagon official “and a change in longstanding US policy”. Then on August 10th Alex Azar, America’s health secretary, visited Taiwan and met President Tsai Ing-wen, becoming the most senior American official to conduct a formal visit in decades.
Almost immediately, Chinese fighter-jets crossed the so-called median line of the narrow strait which divides Taiwan from the mainland. That is thought to be only the third occasion on which they have done so intentionally in the past two decades. On August 13th the People’s Liberation Army upped the pressure by announcing military exercises off the northern and southern ends of Taiwan in response to what it called America’s “serious wrong signals to ‘Taiwan independence’ forces”. As those drills unfolded, Taiwan’s government said that it planned to boost defence spending by $1.4bn, an increase of over 10% on current levels. The purchase of 66 new F-16 aircraft for $8bn, America’s largest sale of warplanes to Taiwan since 1992, was finalised on August 14th. Taiwan also hopes to buy American drones, anti-ship missiles and naval mines to help deter an invasion.
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby g.sarkar » 19 Aug 2020 09:44

https://theprint.in/opinion/this-is-how ... ng/483545/
This is how China deployed psy-war after Ladakh. And why India isn’t replying
The LAC is not the only place India has to fight China. We can’t be silent and let Chinese psy-ops manipulate truth.
TARA KARTHA 18 August, 2020

Three months after the Galwan standoff, it’s apparent that China remains in strength at different points along the Line of Actual Control, a situation that is entirely unacceptable to India. Even as talks continued at military and diplomatic levels, the Ministry of Defence quickly removed the first official version recording of Chinese ‘transgressions’, leaving Indians wondering why the Narendra Modi government was so anxious about revealing the extent of Chinese perfidy. Beijing, however, let loose a barrage of official statements explicitly blaming India for the whole mess. Its media had a near-continuous reportage on the prowess of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) in what was clearly strong psychological warfare against India designed to confuse and affect decision making in a boisterous democracy.
As the Chinese continue to remain in strength across the Indian border, it is vital that this targeted psy-war is recognised and countered with effective strategic communication – which means statements and directives from the top – and a tactical playback by our own psy-war departments.
The age of psy-war
Psychological warfare is a tricky thing to define. One definition refers to the planned use of propaganda and ‘other psychological operations’ to influence opinions, emotions, attitudes, and behaviour of opposition groups. Most know something about the use of propaganda. What’s interesting is the ‘other’. Back in the 1940s, the United States’ Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) defined psy-war as part of wartime measures ‘exclusive of armed conflict’ and including ‘black’ measures such as sabotage and guerrilla warfare. By 2010, psy-ops or psychological operations had shaken itself away from a wartime requirement. Now it was part of ‘information warfare’ as brought out in the Joint Publication 3-13.2 by the US Joint Chiefs of Staff. It defined psy-ops as “the key capability that supports Strategic Communication” by influencing foreign audiences in support of US objectives. It included the role of Special Operations Command, and an array of weapons for commanders and political heads, designed to win the war without fighting. That precept lies at the heart of strategists such as Carl von Clausewitz and his work On War, our own Kautilya, who had an entire chapter on winning a fort without entering it, and China’s Sun Tzu, skilled in the art of subversion. Psy-ops is, therefore, as old as war itself, although with one constant rule. An effective distortion campaign has to remain close to the truth. You can’t, for instance, manufacture an insurgency. You can, however, use psy-war tools to whip up existing grievances. That rule is likely to be upended in the age of Artificial Intelligence (AI). One example is a survey of Americans who overwhelmingly agreed that the government was hiding information on an air crash. The truth? There was no crash. It had been created by the research team.
Chinese media messaging
The ongoing Chinese psy-war effort used strong media messaging, including CCTV footage of the swift mobilisation of troops by air and train from Hubei province to the Indian borders, in a “few hours”. That claim was aired on world media, and believed entirely, given the Chinese road and rail networks to the border. No one pointed out that the troops were from the Wuhan area where the novel coronavirus originated, raising the possibility of the troops being infected, and that the move from sea level to several thousand feet would have made heads spin, and that India on the other hand, had troops already accustomed to high altitudes at the location. All this could have been part of India’s psy-war ops. It wasn’t.
Another set of reports were on the deployment of an array of high-altitude advanced weapons, including the Z-10 attack helicopter, and videos of exercises. The devil, however, lies in the details. The Z-10 was inducted into the Pakistani Air Force in 2015. Its underpowered engines made it unsuitable for high altitudes, in particular, which led Islamabad to lobby for Turkish helicopters powered by American engines just two years later. A new variant of the Z-10 has emerged, but recent reports indicate that Pakistan preferred to again match India’s new Apaches with the Turkish aircraft.Simply put, even Islamabad would far rather have high-tech US weapons than unreliable Chinese ones. Therefore, Chinese ‘power’ at the border, while being considerable, is somewhat hollow. Little of this reality was apparent in the Indian media coverage.
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby arshyam » 19 Aug 2020 10:36

Typical desi DDM - they would be the first ones to decry any sarkari efforts and laugh at them, calling them mouthpiece and what not. They are also the first ones to take cues from western media and come up with garbage like the above - without realising that they speak in one of the major languages of the world and have some credibility over the Chinese mouthpieces (which all of them are, at the end of the day), but do not deploy that power to shape global opinion in our favour. The above article betrays a complete acceptance of defeat in their own domain without firing a single shot. Specifically, when they said "That claim was aired on world media, and believed entirely, given the Chinese road and rail networks to the border.". Idiots - don't they realize that they are a large part of that global media and need not accept Chinese claims at face value?

Though there are a few exceptions like WION, on the whole, media outlets in India cannot even think about rising above the political fray and speak in a united and nationalist tone for the rest of the world to hear. In no free country is psy-ops and propaganda possible without the active support of that country's media, something that's completely lost on the fools that call themselves the fourth estate here, and so they are content to point fingers at the govt.

As that popular saying goes, when you point 1 finger at someone else, three are bent and pointed towards you.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 19 Aug 2020 11:18

https://www.ft.com/content/bfef2854-f8f ... 11123b01e8
China’s share of global exports falls in supply chains rethink
Last year Chinese exports of 1,200 products accounted for 22 per cent of the world’s exports, 3 percentage points down on the previous year, according to a new study by Baker McKenzie, the law firm, and Silk Road Associates, an economic consultancy. For consumer goods the country’s global market share fell by 4 percentage points to 42 per cent.

The findings come as Washington targets China with wide-ranging measures aimed at weaning itself off China-based supply chains and hobbling Beijing’s ambitions to become a global tech power.

On Monday, Washington broadened restrictions on semiconductor supplies to Huawei imposed earlier this year to cut off virtually all chip shipments to the Chinese technology group.

Anne Petterd, head of the international commercial and trade practice at Baker McKenzie in Asia Pacific, said that in the wake of the disruption caused by the pandemic, companies were looking to geographically diversify their supply chains, build in more safety layers, and supervise them more strictly.
“Whereas it used to be the consumer goods sector that had to make these fast moves, we are now seeing an unprecedented range of industries starting to do the same,” she said.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 19 Aug 2020 13:50

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ms-insider
China's Xi Jinping facing widespread opposition in his own party, insider claims

Exclusive: Cai Xia, who has been expelled from the elite Central Party School, says president’s ‘unchecked power’ has made China ‘the enemy of the world’ {People just don't speak against the regime unless back by a powerful fraction}

A former professor at China’s elite Central Party School has issued an unprecedented rebuke of the Chinese leader, Xi Jinping, accusing him of “killing a country” and claiming that many more want out of the ruling Chinese Communist party.

Cai Xia, a prominent professor who taught at the school, a higher education institution for top officials, was expelled from the party on Monday after an audio recording of remarks she made that were critical of Xi was leaked online in June. She is no longer in China. The school said in a notice that Cai, a professor at the party school since 1992, had made comments that “damaged the country’s reputation” and were full of “serious political problems”.

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“Under the regime of Xi, the Chinese Communist party is not a force for progress for China. In fact, it is an obstacle to China’s progress,” she said. “I believe I am not the only one who wants to leave this party. More people would like to withdraw or quit this party,” she said. “I had intended to quit the party years ago when there was no more room to speak and my voice was completely blocked.”

The comments from someone once firmly part of the establishment – several of China’s leaders such as Mao Zedong and Hu Jintao, as well as Xi were head of the Central Party School – are remarkable and potentially dangerous for the Chinese leadership. Cai is the latest prominent public intellectual to be punished for criticising Xi.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 19 Aug 2020 14:03

https://twitter.com/mikepillsbury/statu ... 1844661262
To the Brink With China “ The bad news is the chances of a second cold war are far higher today than just months ago. Even worse, the chances of an actual war, resulting from an incident involving the countries’ militaries, are also greater.” https://on.cfr.org/3kOibHt via @CFR_org

* Chances of a Cold war higher
* Chances of a hot war has increased

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 19 Aug 2020 14:12

https://twitter.com/SheenaGreitens/stat ... 0424902656
  • Xi Jinping tightens grip on China’s powerful domestic security forces, with call from senior ally to “turn the blade inwards."
    This is an important campaign. But a few thoughts, based on a piece coming out in 2 weeks with China Leadership Monitor.
  • First, this campaign kicks off as another winds down. The Saohei campaign (扫黑除恶专项斗争) has targeted the polit-legal apparatus too by trying to excise "protection umbrellas" that law enforcement provide to local criminal orgs. The new campaign continues that focus.
  • The phrase "scrape the poison from the bone" (刮骨疗毒) was also the theme for anti-corruption purges in the military (as @jmulvenon
    has noted). So again, some parallels.
  • Also, Xi Jinping has *already* replaced the entire leadership of the political-legal apparatus at this point! So my take is that the campaign is doing something kind of different: pushing his authority downwards throughout the system now that new team in place at top
  • Protection umbrellas matter because they corrupt the political-legal apparatus *from below*. So in words of CCP, they fuse anti-corruption with strengthening Party control over grassroots governance. It's inherently political, about consolidating party's "ruling foundation."
  • This might be an intense period of purging, but my data finds over 120 (!) provincial-level officials (or higher) purged under Saohei/anti-corruption already. It's important not to portray this as "the first purge," because of the extent of purging that's already taken place.
  • The Supreme Ppl's Procuratorate work report released in May 2020 cited 1345 prosecutions for protection umbrellas in Saohei's second year. That does *not* include party discipline, which increases numbers more.
  • So this education/rectification campaign is important, because it's coming *after all these 3-year efforts.* Suggests that the previous, already intense efforts, weren't perceived by leaders as entirely successful. That's telling.
  • Important figure here is Chen Yixin, general secretary of Polit-Legal Commission (CPLC). He's close to Xi, and is directing the new campaign - not Guo Shengkun, the formal head of the CPLC, who's less close to Xi.
  • I read this as a *continued* push by Xi Jinping to remake China’s coercive apparatus into a force entirely politically responsive to his direction. First term concentrated on PLA/domestic security leadership. Now he's moving focus downward to lower-level consolidation.
  • Saohei was launched on heels of 19th Party Congress; this one-year intensified rectification/education campaign looks to me like trying to ensure consolidation is finished before the 20th PC in early 2022 (where Xi would take relatively unprecedented 3rd term).

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby darshan » 19 Aug 2020 17:53

After Hugely Successful ‘AatmaNirbhar App Challenge’, Union Government Launches ‘Swadeshi Microprocessor Challenge’
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/after-hug ... -challenge

India, Japan And Australia Working On Trilateral Supply Chain To Reduce Dependency On China
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/india-jap ... y-on-china

TikTok's Indian Alternative Chingari Raises Funds From Tinder Official, OLX Co-Founder
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/tiktoks-i ... co-founder

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby darshan » 19 Aug 2020 18:10

Where's India's policy to remove everything chinese?

Apple Removes Thousands Of Apps From Its Chinese App Store To Comply With China's New Internet Policy: Report
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/apple-rem ... icy-report
Apple has removed at least 47,000 apps from its App Store in China to comply with the new policy from the state regulators.

According to a report in The Information, China may be closing the loopholes exploited by Apple in previous years, "starting with the recent removal of thousands of apps from the Chinese App Store".

"The technology giant operates the App Store and many other services without government licenses and local partners in China. That has left it vulnerable to regulatory risk in China as Trump attacks TikTok and WeChat in the US," the report said on Tuesday.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Mollick.R » 19 Aug 2020 20:49

India building new road to Ladakh for troop movement without enemy observation
ANI Last Updated: Aug 19, 2020, 05:09 PM IST

NEW DELHI: In an effort to rush troops and tanks to the Pakistan and China front in Ladakh without being observed by the enemy, India is working on making a new road from Manali to Leh, which will provide the third link between the high altitude mountainous Union Territory (UT) and the rest of the country.

India is also working on providing alternative connectivity to the strategically important Sub-Sector North including the Daulat Beg Oldi and other areas there for the last three years and work has already started from the world's highest motorable road Khardung La pass.

"Agencies are working to provide alternative connectivity from Manali to Leh through Nimu-Padam-Darcha axis which will help in saving a lot of time in comparison with the existing routes passing through Zojila pass from Srinagar and the other route from Manali to Leh through Sarchu," government sources told ANI.

The road will save almost three to four hours journey time while travelling from Manali to Leh and will also not leave any scope for the Pakistanis or other adversaries to monitor the movement of the Indian Army while deploying troops and heavy weaponry like tanks and artillery guns to the Ladakh area from other locations, they said.

The route mainly used for transportation of goods and men is the one from Zojila, which passes through Drass-Kargil axis to Leh. The same route was targeted heavily by the Pakistanis during the Kargil war in 1999 and was subjected to frequent bombarding and shelling by their troops from positions in high altitude mountains alongside the road.

Sources said the work has already started on this project and the new road will connect Manali with Leh near Nimu where Prime Minister Narendra Modi had recently visited during the ongoing conflict with China.

Likewise, to provide alternatives to the strategic Durbuk-Shyok-Daulat Beg Oldi road, India is working on further developing the old summer route on which caravans used to reach eastern Ladakh areas from the western side.

The new road will travel from Leh towards Khardungla and then move through glaciers including the Sasoma-Saser La-Shyok and Daulat Beg Oldi axis.

Senior sources said that the 14 Corps was given the responsibility of finding an alternative to the DSDBO road and check the road coming from near the Siachen camp towards the DBO area, and one unit was sent through there on a trial basis.

The Army unit travelled from Sasoma to Saser La in vehicles and the rest of the area on foot, on the route which is full of bones of double-humped camels which were used to ferry cargo, through the very rough Shyok river during the summers. The new route was earlier used by the Army also to maintain the Sub Sector North.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/india-building-new-road-to-ladakh-for-troop-movement-without-enemy-observation/articleshow/77634012.cms?utm_source=ETTopNews&utm_medium=HPTN&utm_campaign=AL1&utm_content=23

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby TKiran » 19 Aug 2020 21:42

Interview with Mr Salih Hudayar, Prime Minister, East Turkistan, Govt in Exile on Uygher issue


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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 20 Aug 2020 10:34

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Intern ... k-missiles
US and Japan plan fleet of low-orbit satellites to track missiles {Paywall}

some portion via some other site ...
https://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/miss ... -missiles/
US and Japan plan fleet of low-orbit satellites to track missiles
Japan and the U.S. plan to deploy a network of small satellites in low-Earth orbit to detect and track next-generation missiles being developed to evade current defense systems, Nikkei has learned.

The project is expected to cost over $9 billion under a U.S. plan and be operational by the mid-2020s. The two sides will hammer out the details of the arrangement.

The move is in response to the mounting breadth and sophistication of the missile arsenals being developed by China, Russia and North Korea. It also comes as nations begin to look at space as a final frontier for warfare.

China lifted this year’s defense budget 6.6% to around $180 billion. It possesses about 2,000 medium-range missiles that are capable of striking Japan. Beijing has hundreds of nuclear warheads under its belt, and experts say the number will more than double over the next decade.

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Postby Mollick.R » 20 Aug 2020 12:57

Huawei, long resilient, suffers amid tougher US pressure and escalating feud with China
AP Last Updated: Aug 20, 2020, 08:23 AM IST


European and other phone carriers that bought Huawei gear despite U.S. pressure are removing it from their networks. Huawei got a flicker of good news when it passed rivals Samsung and Apple as the No. 1 smartphone brand in the quarter ending in June thanks to sales in China, but demand abroad is plunging.

``Huawei is losing market share quite dramatically outside China,'' said industry analyst Paul Budde. ``Their international position is most likely going to get worse rather than better.''
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In the latest blow, the Commerce Department this week confirmed rules announced in May that will bar non-American companies from using U.S. technology to make processor chips and other components for Huawei without a government license.

The president of Huawei's consumer business, Richard Yu, says it is running out of chips for smartphones. Yu said as of Sept. 15, contractors will be forced to stop making Kirin chips designed by Huawei's engineers and used in its most advanced handsets.

``This is a very big loss for us,'' Yu said Aug. 8 at an industry conference, China Info 100.

Yu did not say how sales might be affected. Huawei declined comment on how it was responding..
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In June, the Pentagon added Huawei and video surveillance company HikVision to a list of companies it said were owned or controlled by the ruling Communist Party's military wing.
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The White House's restrictions on use of U.S. technology to produce chips and other components for Huawei is more painful.

Huawei relies on vendors such as Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., the world's biggest contract chip producer. TSMC said this week it still was studying the new rules.
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Australia has banned Huawei from 5G networks. Japan, Taiwan and others are limiting use of Huawei technology.


https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/business/huawei-long-resilient-suffers-amid-tougher-us-pressure-and-escalating-feud-with-china/articleshow/77646366.cms?utm_source=ETTopNews&utm_medium=HP&utm_campaign=TN&utm_content=23

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Shameek » 20 Aug 2020 19:39

People's Bank of China picks up 0.006% stake in ICICI Bank through QIP
MUMBAI: The People's Bank of China has picked up 0.006 per cent stake in ICICI Bank by investing Rs 15 crore in the private sector lender's Rs 15,000 crore qualified institutional placement (QIP) exercise which concluded last week.


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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby g.sarkar » 23 Aug 2020 01:34

https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacif ... iwan-china
Will US Make Clear-cut Commitment to Defend Taiwan From China?
By John Xie, August 21, 2020

For almost 70 years, the United States has never explicitly committed itself to the defense of Taiwan against Chinese invasion. Now, with U.S.-China relations at a historic low, worries over a Chinese assault on Taiwan are growing, and the fundamental U.S. policy may be changing.
An increasing number of military analysts and members of Congress now argue that it is time for the United States to revisit its policy of “strategic ambiguity” for Taiwan’s defense, which for decades has supported billions of dollars in arms sales despite no formal diplomatic relations.
Critics of the policy point out that as the region’s military balance moves in China's favor, strategic ambiguity is increasingly unsustainable.
"It might actually make war even more likely, emboldening Xi Jinping and the CCP to undertake military action against the island by deluding themselves into thinking the U.S. might remain on the sidelines," Michael Hunzeke, a professor at George Mason University's Schar School of Policy and Government, told VOA in an email.
"We need to change things on Taiwan to improve the deterrent and make clearer where we stand, especially by ending any remaining ambiguity about how we’d react to the use of force and altering our military force structure and posture,” Elbridge Colby, a former deputy assistant secretary of defense, wrote in The New York Times early this week. Colby was an author of the Trump administration national defense strategy, which emphasizes competition with China and Russia.
Few scenarios worry American strategists like a possible Chinese invasion of Taiwan. Two former high-ranking U.S. officials argue it could happen as early as next year. In an article published this month by the U.S. Naval Institute (USNI), former CIA Deputy Director Michael Morell and retired U.S. Admiral James Winnefeld described a nightmare scenario for the U.S. military where strategic ambiguity fails to halt a Chinese invasion.
Congress leading the call Taiwan supporters in Congress have largely embraced the Trump administration’s approach to the island, including the recent historic visit by Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar and new sales of F-16 jets last week. But some legislators believe the president should do more to have a clear and firm commitment to defend Taiwan.
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http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2020/08 ... hools.html
INDIA SLAPS NEW CURBS ON VISAS, SCHOOLS TO STEM CHINA INFLUENCE
SATURDAY, AUGUST 22, 2020 BY INDIAN DEFENCE NEWS

India is stepping up its curbs on Chinese activity in the country, adding extra scrutiny for visas and reviewing Beijing’s links with local universities, as relations between the two nations continue to nose-dive.
India’s Ministry of External Affairs has been told that visas for Chinese businessmen, academics, industry experts, and advocacy groups will need prior security clearance, said senior officials who asked not to be identified, citing rules for speaking to the media. The measures are similar to those that have long been employed with Pakistan, India’s neighbour and arch-rival, they said.
The activities of India universities with tie-ups to Chinese institutions are likely to be drastically scaled down, one official said. The government is reviewing 54 memoranda of understanding signed between educational institutions including the Indian Institutes of Technology, Banaras Hindu University, Jawaharlal Nehru University and others with links to the official Chinese language training office, known as Hanban, which runs Confucius Institutes across the world.
With the exception of Mandarin language courses, tie-ups with Chinese institutions are likely to be discontinued, the officials said. The institutions are used to influence policy makers, think tanks, political parties, corporates and academics, they said.
India’s Foreign Ministry didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.
“These and other steps that have been taken over the last few weeks are designed to decrease Indian over-dependence on China and reduce the exposure or vulnerability of various sectors to direct and indirect Chinese state influence,” said Tanvi Madan, senior fellow at the Washington-based Brookings Institute and the author of “Fateful Triangle: How China Shaped US-India Relations during the Cold War.” New Delhi should “assess the ramification both in terms of potential retaliation from Beijing and Indian ability to withstand that,” Madan said.
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Anoop » 25 Aug 2020 06:06

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/losses-china-overseas-takeover-binge-210000911.html

Losses from China’s Overseas Takeover Binge Are Piling Up Fast

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby kit » 25 Aug 2020 22:00

The Chinese art of war ? .. a good primer


https://youtu.be/ydw-P7U9KtA

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Ashokk » 25 Aug 2020 23:06

Exclusive: US rudely unpacks official furniture ordered by Chinese Mission to UN :((
The US has brutally unpacked a container with 60 pieces of furniture (official supplies) ordered by the Chinese delegation to the United Nations and dismantled the wrappings of 12 pieces, the Global Times learned.

The move seriously violated international practices, and it is expected that China may take reciprocal measures against the US.

How did we miss this gem from gobar times? :mrgreen:

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby anupmisra » 26 Aug 2020 04:13

This is my monthly post and a heads up to all:

It is on an oft-overlooked strategic move recently revived by the Chinese that could eventually even the odds in its favor. The Thai Canal Project.

I first read about it, in passing, in another BRF thread and thought that it must be vividly discussed once at least. When (and if) implemented, it would threaten the regional security and balance of sea power from the Indian and western perspectives, lay bare India's eastern and southern seaboard flanks, expose the A&N island, gulf and Diego Garcia defenses, and provide the Chinese leverage to bypass any future sanctions in times of war.

In the end, I believe, this move could be more dangerous and disturbing to the free world than the SeePak/Gawadaar deal.

The Thai Canal Project
The proposed canal across the Isthmus of Kra in Southern Thailand

The Thai Canal (better known as the Kra Canal) is a proposed canal that would cut across the Isthmus of Kra in Southern Thailand. This man-made waterway would connect the Andaman Sea with the Gulf of Thailand, providing a maritime shortcut by rerouting shipping away from the Strait of Malacca.

The idea for a Klong Thai (Thai Canal) was first proposed by Thai King Narai in the 17th century...but the financial and technical challenges involved in the project have kept it on the proverbial drawing board.

In modern times the canal has been given serious reconsideration by China, which considers the route as part of the 21st century maritime Silk Road. Having access to this shortcut between the Indian and Pacific oceans fits in with the String of Pearls strategy, where China is establishing civilian maritime infrastructure around the Indian Ocean rim.

The Kra Canal would be comparable in size (and strategic importance) with the Suez and Panama canals.

The latest news had a call for another feasibility study in January 2020, so for now the project still lives on.


Game changers and China’s involvement

The Kra canal project has been proposed and put on hold many times over the past three centuries. The latest effort comes in conjunction with China's Belt and Road Initiative, and has drawn both support and scepticism from within and outside Thailand.

Militarily, the canal would enable the Thai navy to move ships quickly from one coast to the other during times of crisis. In addition, a Kra canal would also provide a faster and thus cheaper route between the Indian Ocean and the South China Sea, thus providing a viable alternative (For the Chinese) to the increasingly congested and “pirate infested” Straits of Malacca.

With regard to the strategic benefits, critics argue that Thailand faces no threats from its neighbors, a canal would cleave the country into two halves and thus embolden separatists in the Far South, and the ownership and operation of the waterway would inevitably become entangled in Great Power rivalry.
China is keen to invest in regional infrastructure projects such as the Kra canal as part of its Belt and Road Initiative (BRI).

Due to its geographic position in the heart of mainland Southeast Asia, China views Thailand as a key node in its trillion-dollar global infrastructure project. Since the 2014 coup, the government of Prime Minister Prayut Chan-ocha has been a keen supporter of BRI. However, China’s most high-profile BRI project in Thailand, a High-Speed Rail (HSR) network, has been repeatedly delayed due to disagreements over financing, technology and operational issues.

the two main advocates of the canal, the Thai-Chinese Cultural and Economic Association (TCCEA) and Thai Canal Association for Study and Development (TCASD), have both suggested that China could finance a Kra canal as part of one of the BRI’s six designated corridors, the China-Indochina Peninsula Economic Corridor

In the mid-2000s, Chinese strategic analysts suggested the canal could enhance the country’s energy security by reducing the need for Chinese-flagged oil tankers to transit through the Malacca Straits which was “controlled” by the United States.

China is much more eager to finance large infrastructure projects as part of BRI.
Beijing is quietly pushing Chinese companies to support the canal.

Reliance on China—even if Beijing were willing to underwrite the US$20-30 billion mega project—would likely be unpopular at home given the controversies surrounding the HSR and Thailand’s purchase of Chinese submarines. (Thailand’s 2015 decision to acquire three diesel-electric submarines from China for US$1.03 billion was the most expensive and significant defence procurement decision in the country’s history. The contract has been criticised within Thailand for its lack of transparency, for being too expensive and for lacking a strong strategic rationale.)


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Bottom line: India and the west may think of Malacca Starits as a choke point to control China's trade lines. This canal, if built, controlled and owned by the Chinese, would make the Straits irrelevant. This is perhaps a bigger threat to peace in the Indian Ocean than any other. India's flanks will be exposed. This canal will also divide the Thai peninsula and make the takeover of the northern part by reds easier. No wonder the Chinese are focused on Burma and Bangladesh. The encirclement would be complete

Sources:
https://livinginasia.co/thai-canal/
https://www.thinkchina.sg/thailands-kra ... nvolvement
https://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opi ... ipe-dream-

Thoughts?

Over and out for another month.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby kit » 26 Aug 2020 04:42

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/china-s-thai-canal-project-propels-india-to-upgrade-military-infra-in-a-n-lakshadweep/story-EcDEGU2XXGgwdJmRNwm4LN.html

Indian military officials stressed that the upgradation of air bases in the Island territories would ensure that China’s People’s Liberation Army Navy under its President and commander in chief Xi Jinping, does not dominate the area to extract leverage from all countries in the region

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby yensoy » 26 Aug 2020 08:49

Kra canal or Malacca straits, the ships are going to end up in the southern Andaman sea, between Great Nicobar and Aceh. I don't see how it will affect our calculus or our strategic position by much.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 26 Aug 2020 11:48

Both Malacca strait and the Thai canal open into the Andaman sea.

Nothing changes from the India pov though US choke at Singapore is bypassed.

Btw, IFFF the Malacca strait is a funnel into the Andaman sea so is the Thai canal and IFFF India is capable and willing to blockade the Malacca it would be in a position to to the same with the Thai canal.

The Thai canal by it self does not hamper or change the Indian security matrix or plans. However, a PLAN base in/around the canal on Thai soil will change that.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby kit » 26 Aug 2020 14:29

pankajs wrote:Both Malacca strait and the Thai canal open into the Andaman sea.

Nothing changes from the India pov though US choke at Singapore is bypassed.

Btw, IFFF the Malacca strait is a funnel into the Andaman sea so is the Thai canal and IFFF India is capable and willing to blockade the Malacca it would be in a position to to the same with the Thai canal.

The Thai canal by it self does not hamper or change the Indian security matrix or plans. However, a PLAN base in/around the canal on Thai soil will change that.


if things come to blows, bombing out the canal or accidental sinking of a few ships can also put it out of action ? .. i think this canal can give some options to china but not a huge advantage

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby kit » 26 Aug 2020 14:44

also Some islands of the Andamans are really next door to Thailand than India, would be interesting if India builds up bases over there, the Indians can cherry-pick their targets !!

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Tuan » 26 Aug 2020 16:53

anupmisra wrote:This is my monthly post and a heads up to all:

It is on an oft-overlooked strategic move recently revived by the Chinese that could eventually even the odds in its favor. The Thai Canal Project.

I first read about it, in passing, in another BRF thread and thought that it must be vividly discussed once at least. When (and if) implemented, it would threaten the regional security and balance of sea power from the Indian and western perspectives, lay bare India's eastern and southern seaboard flanks, expose the A&N island, gulf and Diego Garcia defenses, and provide the Chinese leverage to bypass any future sanctions in times of war.

In the end, I believe, this move could be more dangerous and disturbing to the free world than the SeePak/Gawadaar deal.

The Thai Canal Project
The proposed canal across the Isthmus of Kra in Southern Thailand

Bottom line: India and the west may think of Malacca Starits as a choke point to control China's trade lines. This canal, if built, controlled and owned by the Chinese, would make the Straits irrelevant. This is perhaps a bigger threat to peace in the Indian Ocean than any other. India's flanks will be exposed. This canal will also divide the Thai peninsula and make the takeover of the northern part by reds easier. No wonder the Chinese are focused on Burma and Bangladesh. The encirclement would be complete


Don`t you worry, another giant Tsunami in the Indian Ocean will fix all this for the Chinese. Threat & Response :wink:

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby yensoy » 26 Aug 2020 18:15

Tuan wrote:Don`t you worry, another giant Tsunami in the Indian Ocean will fix all this for the Chinese. Threat & Response :wink:

One thing the Chinese have demonstrated is that islands can be built, built up and rebuilt. 8)

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Tuan » 26 Aug 2020 19:45

yensoy wrote:
Tuan wrote:Don`t you worry, another giant Tsunami in the Indian Ocean will fix all this for the Chinese. Threat & Response :wink:

One thing the Chinese have demonstrated is that islands can be built, built up and rebuilt. 8)


True that! The proposed Thai Canal will have enormous financial costs as well as environmental costs. With the canal being 400 meters wide and 30 meters deep, that’s a lot of earth that needs to be moved somewhere else. Therefore, one suggestion was building a new island, in which the Chinese are good at. The Panama Canal for instance, was an enormous engineering feat, especially considering it was built over 100 years ago. Its construction had the added incentive of saving weeks of travel, while the Thai Canal would only save two or three days. Thus, one must remember that, while the Chinese are busy wasting their resources and energy to bypass just 2-3 days of travel, someone else would be mastering on building and rebuilding the Massive Ordnance Air Blast.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby srin » 26 Aug 2020 20:38

The current plans for transshipment port is for the Great Nicobar Island near the six degree channel. If the Kra actually happens and becomes successful (quite iffy at the moment), the transshipment port would be way too south. We'll need it in the north abutting the ten degree channel.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby chetak » 26 Aug 2020 21:06

India should deal with beediland like the US dealt with cuba and the russians during the cuban missile crisis. This is a latter day variation on that very theme with changes made to suit the location and scenario.




Why A Chinese Project In North Bangladesh Poses Grave Security Threat To India


Why A Chinese Project In North Bangladesh Poses Grave Security Threat To India

Jaideep Mazumdar
Aug 26, 2020

Why A Chinese Project In North Bangladesh Poses Grave Security Threat To India

Snapshot
China is investing in a massive project in northern Bangladesh, very close to India’s vulnerable Siliguri Corridor.

China’s presence here can develop into a major security threat for India in the long run.


After having tried, and failed, to choke the strategic but vulnerable ‘chicken’s neck’ (also known as the Siliguri Corridor) from the north through Bhutan, China appears to be trying to do the same from the south through Bangladesh.

The 73-day standoff between Indian and Chinese forces at Doklam (near the trijunction of India, Bhutan and Chinese-occupied Tibet) in 2017 resulted due to Chinese attempts to occupy the strategic Doklam plateau in Bhutan.

Had the Chinese succeeded, they would have gained immense strategic advantage from Doklam over the ‘chicken’s neck’ which is barely 50 kilometers away.

The Chinese would then have been able to choke the vulnerable corridor that connects Northeast India with the rest of the country.

After being forced to retreat from Doklam and stomach the ignominy of its plans being thwarted, Beijing has been brainstorming to gain alternative access to the corridor.

And it has now succeeded under the garb of financing the $983 million ‘Teesta River Comprehensive Management and Restoration Project’ in Northern Bangladesh.

The mega project involves dredging the Teesta river (which originates in Sikkim and flows through North Bengal into Bangladesh) to increase its depth, building embankments to restrict the width of the river to one kilometer and reclaiming land from its floodplains.

The Chinese have drawn up elaborate plans to build townships, industrial parks, economic zones, roads and other facilities on the land reclaimed from the Teesta.

The Teesta, after entering Bangladesh, flows almost parallel to the Indo-Bangla border and, as such, all these facilities will be within a distance of 10 kilometers to 30 kilometers from the international border.

As with similar loans that China extends to other countries, the nearly one billion dollar loan to Bangladesh will stipulate that contracts for executing the massive works be given exclusively to Chinese companies.

Chinese companies will also build factories, including a large solar power plant, and a satellite city to complement Rangpur (the headquarters of the eponymous administrative division of Bangladesh) that will be just 40-odd kilometers away from the Indo-Bangla border.

At least some of the townships that Beijing plans to build near the factories it will set up on the northern banks of the Teesta will be exclusively Chinese facilities inhabited, maintained and protected by the Chinese.

China has built similar townships in many other countries, and all these townships, like the Shwe Kokko township in Myanmar (read this), are ‘no-go’ zones for even locals.

These townships are often security posts with sophisticated surveillance equipment protected by well-armed Chinese soldiers in the garb of private security guards.

The townships, factories and other facilities that China is planning to build and run on the northern banks of the Teesta will double up as quasi-military posts and surveillance stations to keep watch on the Siliguri corridor.

The Siliguri corridor and adjoining areas house a number of Indian army and air force stations — the headquarters of the Indian Army’s 33 Corps at Sukhna near Siliguri and the various formations under it all over North Bengal, as well as IAF bases at Bagdogra and Hasimara.

The IAF base at Hasimara will house the second squadron of Rafale fighters while the one at Bagdogra has interceptors and a helicopter squadron.

There are many other military facilities in the plains and hills of North Bengal adjoining Bangladesh.

Experts say that the proposed measures to ‘tame’ the Teesta are faulty and will prove to be counterproductive.

As such, the economic viability of the entire project is highly doubtful.

But, as instances from around the world have shown, that is exactly what China wants: to fund unviable projects at extortionist rates of interest and then take over all the land and facilities on long-term lease once the ‘beneficiary’ country is unable to repay the loans.

Case in point: the Hambantota port in Sri Lanka that Colombo was forced to lease out to China.

The facilities like townships, factories, river ports and other facilities that China is planning to build in Rangpur division will most likely become white elephants for Bangladesh and, like Colombo, Dhaka may well be forced to hand them over on long-term lease to China once it is unable to repay the Chinese loans.

Once that happens, these facilities will turn into Chinese quasi-military stations from where China can mount surveillance on Indian military facilities in North Bengal.

And in the event of hostilities, an attack can be mounted by China from the north (Chinese-occupied Tibet) of the corridor while closely monitoring Indian activities from the south (Bangladesh) of the corridor.

Military experts say that such an attack can sever the fragile link between Northeast India and the rest of the country.

The Chinese can, and are most likely to, mount surveillance on Indian military facilities and troop deployments and movements in North Bengal even while constructing the facilities in Bangladesh.

That’s because all Chinese companies have close links with the Chinese military and the PLA often has strong stakes in these companies.

It may be pertinent to mention here that Bangladesh has sought financing from the Asian Development Bank (ADB) and the Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA) a few years ago for the Teesta project.

But both these agencies declined because they could see little financial viability.

China’s intention in financing this project that the ADB and JICA assessed to be unviable cannot be altruistic.

China has a dishonourable track record of financing unavailable projects — or ‘predatory financing’, as it is called — in other countries and then (forcibly) taking them over on lease.

These projects and the land they are on become Chinese posts that Beijing utilises for strategic purposes.

Beijing plans to do the same with the Teesta project.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Kati » 27 Aug 2020 05:37

Mark Zuckerberg reportedly warned President Trump about the rise of Chinese tech firms

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/24/mark-zu ... lainternal

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Kati » 27 Aug 2020 08:35

Just awesome

U.S. Sanctions Chinese Firms and Executives Active in Contested South China Sea
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-impose ... yptr=yahoo

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby williams » 27 Aug 2020 09:06

Excerpts

Wednesday’s actions by the State and Commerce departments apply to a range of state-owned enterprises, including units of China Communications Construction Co., a leading contractor for Chinese leader Xi Jinping’s Belt and Road initiative to develop infrastructure and trade links across Asia, Africa and beyond.


The U.S. added 24 Chinese companies active in the South China Sea—including five CCCC subsidiaries—to a Commerce Department list that restricts American companies from supplying U.S.-origin technology to them without a license.


The U.S. official accused CCCC and its units of engaging in corruption, predatory financing, and environmental destruction in projects in Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Kenya, Tanzania, the Philippines and elsewhere.


Listed in Hong Kong and Shanghai, CCCC is one of China’s largest infrastructure companies, employing more than 124,000 people across businesses that span transportation infrastructure, dredging and heavy machinery, among others.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Mollick.R » 27 Aug 2020 16:43

anupmisra wrote:This is my monthly post and a heads up to all:

It is on an oft-overlooked strategic move recently revived by the Chinese that could eventually even the odds in its favor. The Thai Canal Project.

I first read about it, in passing, in another BRF thread and thought that it must be vividly discussed once at least. When (and if) implemented, it would threaten the regional security and balance of sea power from the Indian and western perspectives, lay bare India's eastern and southern seaboard flanks, expose the A&N island, gulf and Diego Garcia defenses, and provide the Chinese leverage to bypass any future sanctions in times of war.

In the end, I believe, this move could be more dangerous and disturbing to the free world than the SeePak/Gawadaar deal.

The Thai Canal Project
The proposed canal across the Isthmus of Kra in Southern Thailand

Thoughts?


Saar, Chinis have habit of dropping such Atom Bomb at regular intervals, but the problem is after being dropped (announced with great media fan fare) later on such atom Bombs turn outs to be Deewali Aalu Bomb made in Shivkashi.................. :rotfl:

A Chinese company HKND Group previously in the year 2012 has announced grand mega ultra super long march :rotfl: plan of construction of Nicaragua Canal (as a wider and deeper alternative to the Panama Canal).

In the Year 2018 HKND Group has gone kaput :wink:

HK Nicaragua Canal Development Investment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HK_Nicaragua_Canal_Development_Investment


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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Kati » 27 Aug 2020 23:57

Huawei ban timeline: India will reportedly phase Huawei gear out as border tensions rise
We break down the saga of the controversial Chinese telecom giant, day by day.

https://www.cnet.com/news/huawei-ban-fu ... oogle-ban/

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Pratyush » 28 Aug 2020 13:50

anupmisra wrote:This is my monthly post and a heads up to all:

It is on an oft-overlooked strategic move recently revived by the Chinese that could eventually even the odds in its favor. The Thai Canal Project.

I first read about it, in passing, in another BRF thread and thought that it must be vividly discussed once at least. When (and if) implemented, it would threaten the regional security and balance of sea power from the Indian and western perspectives, lay bare India's eastern and southern seaboard flanks, expose the A&N island, gulf and Diego Garcia defenses, and provide the Chinese leverage to bypass any future sanctions in times of war.

In the end, I believe, this move could be more dangerous and disturbing to the free world than the SeePak/Gawadaar deal.

The Thai Canal Project
The proposed canal across the Isthmus of Kra in Southern Thailand

Thoughts?


Some thoughts;

1) If this is purely a commercial endeavor to manage increased commercial traffic. It can serve a purpose for the rest of the world, like Panama or Suze. It has to be under Thai control though.
2) If the Idea is to neutralize Indian ability to choke the straits. Then this works only if India totally collapses and becomes a Somalia level power.
3) If India collapses then by extension it is not required.
4) If Thailand is compelled to cede the control of the channel then it has to be resisted tooth and nail. As it is a return to colonial rule and exploitation.
5) If PRC is decoupled from the rest of the world as a result of the CCP virus and the need of such a channel is eliminated from the PRC economic necessities.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby SriKumar » 28 Aug 2020 21:10

^^^Strange. Do you believe that the Hambantota port and the Rajapaksha airport developments were/are purely commercial ventures? Now China has the port and India the airport. PRC's infrastructure development, in many, if not most cases are a front to their military ambition. And if you followed the news, both during and after Covid, PRC has tried to stay coupled with the world. Once the virus ends, infrastructure will start in full force again. And I dont understand how one can de-couple CCP's infrastructure developments with military. The ports they build Gwadar, Djbouti (?), and their interference in Chabahar are all examples; not to mention the 6 (or 9) degree channel in MAldives which they tried.

I think Kra canal is a big deal: Just see what CCP does during peace time which is 99% of time in a country's history. Wars last 1 to 6 months at the most and usually is it one war every 2-3 decades. With China is has been one 2-month full-blown war in 6 decades. During peacetime, they bring capability and infrastructure to the zone they are interested in (EVen right now in LAC, with a war-like situation, they are building a lot of roads, and developing Hotan/Ngari(?) now, with India not able to do anything other than match forces at the LAC. THey can continue this for another 2 years if they wish, holding current positions in LAC- and bring more forces later on). Same thing will happen on a maritime scale. India will need to purchase and base 3,4 maybe 8 squadrons for Andaman, in addition to more destroyers, submaries by 2040. This is a big deal.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby sudarshan » 29 Aug 2020 00:59

The Malacca straits seem to be 2.8 km (2800 m) wide at their narrowest point, with an average depth of 25 m. Will the Kra canal exceed that width and depth? For comparison, the locks in the Panama canal are 33 m wide and 12 m deep. If India has the ability and guts to blockade the Malacca straits, why can't India blockade this canal, assuming it is ever built, and not abandoned like the Nicaragua canal? China it seems has the ability to dream and plan big, bring massive resources to bear on the project, start off with great fanfare, and then quietly dump the whole business. Gwadar, Nicaragua canal, and now it seems - also the OBOR and the CPEC.

The Nicaragua canal would have devastated lake Nicaragua, by bringing in saline ocean water to mix with the fresh water in the lake. It seems the lake has a unique ecosystem. Maybe it's already in jeopardy, don't know if the Chinese actually managed to connect it with an ocean.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby SriKumar » 29 Aug 2020 05:22

I am more interested in what China does during peacetime than war time. For guidance, one can see what they did all along the India border in the last 10-20 years, and what it is doing at the LAC right now. (In reading hte China/PAkistan BOrder Threat thread, there are pages and pages that deal with road/infrastructure construction, valleys, passes etc.). That story will repeat if they get a second access point that shortens the maritime journey bringing Bay of Bengal 1000+ km closer to China's coast. I also expect if China builds the Kra canal they will build some docking/refuleing port facilities in vicinity- essentially a military base. India is so loath to go to war, I am more interested these days to see what India does during peacetime (and how it does/does not prepare for a war) and likewise China- what do they do during peacetime relative to their neighbours. They prepare for war during peace, and they have so much time to do it in. And during peace, India does not challenge them (As is the case at the LAC for hte past 20-30 years, Dokalam was a notable exception).


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