Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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SSridhar wrote: I am not sure what US missiles the Japanese are planning to host in the INF class because the Americans have none operational at this time.
No details on what type of missiles Japan will host, but of the top of my head I can think of at least 2 US initiatives which will fall within the INF busting class i.e. ground launched and with a range of between 310 miles and 3450 miles. One is the Long Range Hypersonic Weapon (LRHW) for the US Army, with a range disclosed as "in excess of 1725 miles" i.e. 2775 km. And the other could be a revival of the INF banned Ground Launched Cruise Missile (GLCM), BGM-109G Gryphon, in a more modern avatar. This cruise missile had a range of ~2700 km. There are other initiatives such as the Strategic Long Range Cannon with a range of 1000 miles but I do not know how seriously development of that will be pursued. There could be others as well. Either the LRHW or the GLCM if based e.g. in Okinawa will cover all of Eastern, Southern, Central and Northern China.

The Army Has Finally Revealed The Range Of Its New Hypersonic Weapon
The missile's range would've violated a now-defunct treaty with Russia and this disclosure comes amid criticism of its utility in the Pacific region.
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I would say that the Japanese calculus for hosting is based on the premise that Japan is a target for China in any event, even without hosting INF busting missiles. So while basing missiles there will certainly ratchet up tensions even more, it could also serve potentially as a deterrent function.
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Japan might host the New IR CPS land based missiles.
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Japan has some small but nice islands situated at strategic locations not far from the coast of China. It would only be appropriate to build a few unsinkable aircraft carriers.
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India calls Galwan torchbearer incident ‘regrettable’, says its envoy will skip Beijing Winter Olympics

After the MEA's announcement, Prasar Bharti's CEO Shashi Shekhar Vempati said Doordarshan will not telecast the opening and closing ceremonies of the Bejing Winter Olympics.

https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... s-7755154/

Do we actually have any WO athletes ? Then why were we sending an envoy in the first place ?! Good excuse to pull out and looks like the Govt jumped at it.
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ldev wrote:Confused and direction less Indian foreign policy and lack of clarity in strategic thinking. It is the wrong time to support China on any issue. The least that India could have done was not been part of this joint statement of the Foreign Ministers of Russia, China and India. And this is while some other countries are calling for a diplomatic boycott of the Winter Olympics.
India, Russia throw weight behind China to host Beijing Winter Olympics
India has joined Russia in expressing its support to China in hosting the Winter Olympics in Beijing in February next year. India made its position clear in a joint statement released after a virtual meeting of foreign ministers of India, China and Russia on Friday. "The Ministers expressed their support to China to host Beijing 2022 Winter Olympic and Paralympic Games," read a joint statement published on the website of India's Ministry of External Affairs.
Quoting my post from November 26 about India joining Russia in supporting China's Winter Olympics. A position that I disagreed with then.

True to fashion, China has paid back India's diplomatic support by having a Galwan combatant become the torch bearer at the opening ceremonies of the Games!!
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Ouch ! Could be the Russians talked gullible India into it. Good riddance of bad business.
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Cyrano wrote:Ouch ! Could be the Russians talked gullible India into it. Good riddance of bad business.
I marvel at India’s enemies. India is hugely tolerant of their undermining actions. If the enemies kept up their undermining and kept it below India’s tolerance level, they can easily eat india alive.

But it seems that the enemies can’t help overreaching every time, so that India is forced to take note and do something about it.

It’s like Saraswati Devi affecting the words of Kumbhakarna. India is blessed that way.
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India has just subtly changed its stand on Tibet. President of Tibet govt in exile has stated this in US. This cannot happen without tacit approval from GOI.
Tibet President, On US Visit, Compares Nehru's Policy To That After 2014
Penpa Tsering, President of the Tibetan government-in-exile, is in the United States to meet top officials of the Biden Administration and members of the US Congress. He told reporters in Washington that he thinks India has changed its stance over the Tibet issue after 2014.
"With the benefit of hindsight, now many think that Pandit Nehru made a blunder. In fact, he trusted China so much that when China invaded India in 1962, some believe that he was so hurt that it's one of the reasons for his death," he claimed. to a question, he said Jawaharlal Nehru's decisions over Tibet were due to his own world vision and he had "too much faith and confidence in China".

"I don't blame only Pandit Nehru for doing that. We understand that the national interest comes first for every nation and he did what he thought was best for India at that time," President Tsering said, adding that not only India, but several other counties too conceded China's claim over the nation of Tibet.
"With the benefit of hindsight, now many think that Pandit Nehru made a blunder. In fact, he trusted China so much that when China invaded India in 1962, some believe that he was so hurt that it's one of the reasons for his death," he claimed.

The Tibetan President went on to say that things however, have changed in India since 2014. "I think India has changed his (Nehru's) policy by not repeating that Tibet is part of PRC (People's Republic of China) because India's position is that if India has to abide by the 'One China' policy, then China also has to abide by the 'One India' policy regarding Kashmir and Ladakh," said President Tsering.

Alluding to the Chinese aggression in Doklam and Galwan in eastern Ladakh, the Tibetan President said, "When the Chinese Foreign Minister came (to India) a few weeks ago, it was more like a transit visit... nothing came out of that visit. That also shows India's policy towards Tibet and China," he added
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Dilbu wrote:India has just subtly changed its stand on Tibet. President of Tibet govt in exile has stated this in US. This cannot happen without tacit approval from GOI.

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I hope this will have the proper effect on chinese chaddis.
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China's Evolving Strategic Discourse on India - From Doklam to Galwan and Beyond
While situating the ongoing border crisis within the overarching framework of Chinese foreign policy and global strategy, this paper makes two key arguments: first, the border standoff in Ladakh is likely the outcome of an intensifying conflict between two Chinese strategies towards India— its Major Power Diplomacy (of wooing India to hedge against the U.S. Indo-Pacific strategy and making it a key partner in the Belt and Road Initiative) and its Neighborhood Strategy (of securing a China-centered regional order with Beijing as the sole leader or rule-maker in the region). Second, the standoff reveals China’s policy dilemma over India — on the one hand, Beijing wants to effectively check a rising New Delhi by asserting its strength and psychological advantage in bilateral ties. But on the other hand, China is anxious about the impact of the current crisis on the realization of its various regional and global objectives in the Indian Ocean Region that necessitates cordial ties with India. In the end, the lesson for India is to look beyond the lens of the power differential between the two Asian giants when dealing with China. New Delhi should come to terms with the fact that it has leverage with China due to its increasing strategic value to Beijing, whether in the realm of China’s foreign policy or its development strategies, and utilize it to shape Beijing’s behavior and extract benefits from it.
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ch ... ar-AAXgNgS

Who knows what is true.. there seems to be a pattern in these types of reports: Putin is ill and dying, Eleven is dying, Kim Jong is dying, Bolsanaro is not doing well… everything is from the same playbook.

How many days until we see a report about Modi?
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Very interesting takes

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Why China Is Paranoid About the Quad
Tokyo summit of the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue, or Quad—a loose grouping of Australia, India, Japan, and the United States—is therefore bound to be of special concern in Beijing.

On the face of it, China’s persistent campaign against India’s ties with the United States, its characterization of the Quad as an “Asian NATO,” and its blistering attacks against the Indo-Pacific geopolitical construct embraced by New Delhi and its partners in the Quad seem unnecessarily alarmist. Its top diplomats have castigated the Quad members for “ganging up in the Asia-Pacific region, creating trilateral and quadrilateral small cliques, and [being] bent on provoking confrontation.” China focusing its outrage on the Quad looks odd considering Beijing has long lived with real U.S. alliances and hard security commitments on its periphery, including U.S. troops stationed in South Korea, Japan, and elsewhere.
The most obvious factor is India’s sheer size and potential power to shape China’s strategic periphery. Although China has rarely seen India as a peer competitor, Beijing is acutely conscious that India could create significant problems for China if aligned against it with other powers. Keeping India—a potential superpower—from aligning with the United States is thus a first-order strategic goal for Beijing.
Second, Beijing is playing to the gallery of entrenched anti-American sentiment in New Delhi that insists on Asian solidarity and avoidance of Western coalitions. Although the weight of this sentiment—a product of India’s history of anti-colonialism, quasi-socialism, and Cold War alignment with the Soviet Union—has begun to decline, there are many in the Indian establishment who worry that getting too close to the United States might provoke China. Beijing is betting that its warnings might stoke further unease in New Delhi.
Beijing’s obsession with Indian-U.S. relations also stands in contrast to the fact that China has rarely objected to Pakistan’s intensive, formalized military partnership with the United States over the decades. China seems to have no issues reaching out to Pakistan despite the latter’s bilateral military cooperation agreement with the United States and former membership in the Central Treaty Organization and Southeast Asia Treaty Organization—two alliances sponsored by Britain and the United States, respectively, in the 1950s.
India’s arm’s-length relationship with its Quad partners, however, creates a problem for Chinese analysts. They are torn between denouncing Indian military engagement with the United States as a dangerous threat and ridiculing U.S. strategic illusions about India. On a good day, Beijing welcomes New Delhi’s foreign policy of nonalignment and its continuing refusal to become a junior partner to Washington. On a bad day, China attacks India’s growing alignment with the United States.
Is India’s tilt toward the United States irreversible, or could it be reversed by India’s refusal to criticize Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and join its Quad partners in sanctioning Moscow? These questions animate both Chinese and American analysts.

The Biden administration probably recognizes that Russia is about India’s past—a long and deep relationship it can’t unwind overnight—and not its future. The rivalry between India and China is structural and unlikely to be resolved anytime soon. China could break the logjam on the border but doesn’t appear to be willing to let go of its only strategic leverage against India.

For India, the trick is to move slowly to strengthen its regional position. India’s tactics are wrapped in incrementalism, but its strategic imperative lies in deeper cooperation with the United States. The Quad summit in Tokyo next week will give us a better sense of how the geopolitics of Asian realignment will play out.
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https://www.rediff.com/news/interview/g ... 220523.htm
'The more India poses a threat to China...'
ARCHANA MASIH, May 23, 2022

'China would want to take a tougher stance against India forming strategic partnerships and prevent Quad from becoming a military alliance.'
"From the Russian example, China is figuring out it that if they attack Taiwan, or India, how is the world likely to behave? They are learning lessons out of it and will possibly use those lessons to either not do it at all, postpone it or maybe do it so differently," explains Lieutenant General P J S Pannu (retd), former commander of the strategic Leh-based XIV corps responsible for India's border with China in Ladakh.
"India is pitching itself to be relevant, and China doesn't want that because China wants to be the number one power in this region and call the shots," General Pannu tells Rediff.com's Archana Masih in a telephone interview.
The first of a two-part interview:
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Neither does the US want India to be strong. The defense of Taiwan is to ishara who is available!
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https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/news ... g-disquiet
Xi Jinping examines military options to offset rising disquiet
Madhav Nalapat, July 2, 2022
Central Military Commission may calculate that if they move in force across the Himalayas, reassurances from Washington to Delhi notwithstanding, India would be on its own in facing a country far bigger in economic size than the Russian Federation.

New Delhi: In common with Mao Zedong, PRC supremo Xi Jinping has been more closely involved with military matters than his predecessors Deng Xiaoping, Jiang Zemin and Hu Jintao. It may be mentioned that Xi Jinping’s father, Xi Zhongxun had extensive connections with the military, as still does the First Lady of China, Peng Liyuan. It was not Xi but his rival Bo Xilai who sought support through the banner of upholding “Mao Zedong Thought”, the very factor that doomed his chances of succeeding Hu Jintao. Given the experience of the top rungs of the CCP leadership during the period in power of Mao, there was no appetite among them for a repeat performance. This smoothed the way for the outwardly emollient and accessible Xi to ascend to the top of the CCP. Unlike his predecessor Hu who allowed Jiang Zemin to remain Central Military Commission (CMC) Chairman for a couple of years after the General Secretaryship of the party had been transferred from him, from the very start of his tenure as General Secretary, Xi Jinping took formal charge of the Central Military Commission as well as taking on the protocol-heavy (while visiting foreign countries) job of President of the PRC. More than the party secretariat or the civilian side of the central government, it is the military that has the most influence in the thinking of the present CCP General Secretary. As a consequence, the three “active” fronts of the PLA have witnessed an acceleration of attention and activity since Xi took charge of the PRC in 2012. These are the South China Sea, the Himalayan massif and Taiwan.
EMULATING MAO
Mao took the decision to intervene in Korea in 1950 as a consequence of his belief that General Douglas MacArthur was planning to cross into the PRC from North Korea to set up a base area for operations by the KMT. In contrast, the PLA invasion across the Himalayan massif into India in 1962 worked as a diversion drawing attention away from the economic woes (including famine) that were sweeping across China at the time. Instead of growth and a rising standard of living for the Chinese people, the opposite was taking place during the years prior to the 1962 war with India. The conflict gave a respite to Mao in the context of efforts by some CCP leaders to whittle down his powers before removing him altogether, an interval that Mao used to strengthen his position (with the help of the Army) sufficient to clear the top and middle rungs of the CCP of all those suspected of being unhappy with the CCP Chairman’s stewardship of the state and party. This was accomplished through the brutal “Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution” that began in 1966 and lasted almost until Mao’s death a decade later.
In the case of “Mao’s heir” Xi, although almost all such activity remains hidden from the outside world, criticism of the functioning of the Office of the General Secretary (OGS) has been growing inside the higher ranks of the CCP. Since Xi took charge in 2012, the OGS and the CMC have far more influence over policy than the Central Committee or even the Standing Committee of the CCP, not to mention the Prime Minister of the PRC. In the past, the PRC PM used to be in charge of economic policy, but that responsibility was transferred by Xi to him and the Office of the General Secretary (OGS). This secretariat serves as the enforcer of what has been officially proclaimed to be “Xi Jinping Thought”.
PRC HAPPY WITH BIDEN’S RUSSIA FOCUS
Xi has been fortunate in the Europeanist policy of the Biden White House and its obsession with “teaching Putin a lesson”. This has greatly increased the degrees of freedom available to the PLA in the three “active” theatres mentioned earlier, the South China Sea, the Himalayan massif and Taiwan. An example of the Euro-focus of the Biden administration is the fact that weapons on an almost daily basis are being gifted to Ukraine, a country much less significant for overall US interests than India.
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https://twitter.com/fuxianyi/status/154 ... Oc87IscsvA

Recently leaked China's population data confirm my estimates: births began to decline in 1991, with no peak in 2004 or 2011; Population is now less than 1.28 billion, not the official 1.41 billion; Population began to shrink in 2018, not 2031 as officially predicted.
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g.sarkar wrote:https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/news ... g-disquiet
Xi Jinping examines military options to offset rising disquiet
Madhav Nalapat, July 2, 2022

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Indeed quite a possibility., if the bully manages to beat up the strongest others will fall in line without a shot .. but also run the risk of getting bashed up himself !!
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This is more “String of prunes” than “string of pearls”, because everyone looks shrivelled, included the “Heavenly Middle-Locket” :lol:


Exhibit A: The locket of the necklace
Video Shows Tanks Protecting Crisis-Hit Banks In China, Internet Says "History Repeats Itself"
The video clip from Henan shows a long queue of tanks preventing locals from reaching the bank branch. As the camera pans, the tank queue is seen covering the entire block.

The locals look agitated but are forced to wait because of the presence of the armoured vehicles. Reddit users compare the scene with the Tiananmen Square incident when in 1989, hundreds of tanks were used to crush pro-democracy protests.
Exhibit B: Bangladesh, the brilliantly run country as per Amartya Sen

Bangladesh Rolls Out Power Curbs As Fuel Price Hike Slams Economy


Exhibit C: Pakistan, just the usual.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AtifRMian/st ... 4829357056

Exhibit D: Sri Lanka, who is trying to replace thoroughly unpopular Chinese chela with slightly unpopular chinese chelar:

Election of unpopular Sri Lankan PM invites more turmoil


Exhibit E: Nepal the Ideological brotha from a different dalam

Petrol price hike in Nepal ignites big protests.
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hnair wrote:This is more “String of prunes” than “string of pearls”, because everyone looks shrivelled, included the “Heavenly Middle-Locket” :lol:
The CCP and PLA are paper tigers. All the carefully cultivated propaganda on its "grand global strategy" is mostly BS. Its economy has certainly ballooned over the last two decades, but even there the actual numbers ($19tn) seem to be doctored over many years by western interests to project China as the greatest threat. The PLA is incapable of taking over Taiwan, so it should find a fig leaf first before wearing pearls.
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This is serious stuff.

Thread:

https://twitter.com/ChollimaOrg/status/ ... 3927424007
BREAKING: China's top chipmaker SMIC has successfully advanced its chip manufacturing by two generations and is now exporting 7nm chips, despite US sanctions attempting to block its rise, a reverse engineering analysis from techinsights on its products has found.
Original article, may need subscription:

China’s Top Chipmaker Achieves Breakthrough Despite US Curbs
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hnair wrote:This is more “String of prunes” than “string of pearls”, because everyone looks shrivelled, included the “Heavenly Middle-Locket” :lol:


Exhibit A: The locket of the necklace
Video Shows Tanks Protecting Crisis-Hit Banks In China, Internet Says "History Repeats Itself"
The video clip from Henan shows a long queue of tanks preventing locals from reaching the bank branch. As the camera pans, the tank queue is seen covering the entire block.

:shock: Tanks protecting local bank branches .. must be a world first :((
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I think we need to change this thread title to Challenge of China.
The current title is defeatist.
For it says China is a threat and has to be neutered and defanged.
This ignores the 2 millennia of history of ties with ancient China and gives a distorted Nehruvian picture post-1962 clash...
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What? I thought that PRC was a world leader in digital transactions. Where the cash in bank was same as cash in hand and that transactions could happen in a cashless way.

Why is PRC so worried about run on bank's. If they ban all cash transactions, they can eliminate run on bank's. Because money is always going from one account to another.
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Pratyush wrote:What? I thought that PRC was a world leader in digital transactions. Where the cash in bank was same as cash in hand and that transactions could happen in a cashless way.

Why is orc so worried about run on bank's. If they ban all cash transactions, they can eliminate run on bank's. Because money is always going from one account to another.
The bank had earlier declared that from a specified near future date, deposits would be converted to an investment product (which means they are not available to be withdrawn until the investment objective is met such as in the case of a 'close ended' mutual fund). The public wanted beat the deadline. The tanks are massed to prevent a large gathering of people which poses a public health risk with China's Zero Covid policy. Technically China can claim that Henan Bank or for that matter, the banking industry as a whole, is in fine health.
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Oh...

But how could the bank make a unilateral decision to do that without buyin from the public?
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kit wrote: :shock: Tanks protecting local bank branches .. must be a world first :((
Actually I couldn't find any non-Indian references to this news :rotfl: but it is spreading a little although Newsweek has debunked the story now.
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Pratyush wrote:Oh...

But how could the bank make a unilateral decision to do that without buyin from the public?
When you think about it the decision is only a minor variant of Central Banks such as the RBI imposing a moratorium on withdrawals in the case of a failing bank. Technically even in India deposits in excess of Rs 5 lakhs (deposit insurance protection) are liable to be forfeited if the bank had made bad bets on lending. But above all with China, private property is private only at the sufferance of the State. So anything is possible.
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yensoy wrote:
kit wrote: :shock: Tanks protecting local bank branches .. must be a world first :((
Actually I couldn't find any non-Indian references to this news :rotfl: but it is spreading a little although Newsweek has debunked the story now.
Bloomberg carried a news report on this. It came up in Google search for Henan Bank.
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nandakumar wrote:
yensoy wrote: Actually I couldn't find any non-Indian references to this news :rotfl: but it is spreading a little although Newsweek has debunked the story now.
Bloomberg carried a news report on this. It came up in Google search for Henan Bank.
Please, they don't need to deploy tanks. They have other means at their disposal which will work just as well and won't lead to the kind of outrage or bewilderment that deploying tanks would cause. Newsweek https://www.newsweek.com/video-chinese- ... rs-1726696 is clear that the tank video is from a military unit going for an exercise. It's a nice attempt by whoever did it and we can enjoy on social media, but let's also accept it is not true.

Did the authorities put down the protestors brutally? Yes. Did they grossly misuse the intrusive restrictions in place for "Covid" to prevent depositors from visiting the bank? Yes they certainly did. Did they deploy tanks? haha, no
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NRao wrote:This is serious stuff.

Thread:

https://twitter.com/ChollimaOrg/status/ ... 3927424007
BREAKING: China's top chipmaker SMIC has successfully advanced its chip manufacturing by two generations and is now exporting 7nm chips, despite US sanctions attempting to block its rise, a reverse engineering analysis from techinsights on its products has found.
Original article, may need subscription:

China’s Top Chipmaker Achieves Breakthrough Despite US Curbs
It is most likely a "7 nm chip" made laboriously by reverse engineering someone else's 7 nm chip and fabricating it using older generation tools. This would not be suitable for mass manufacturing due to the high expense and probably unacceptable defect rates. Maybe the "exports" are just manually picked samples out of many defective ones. Hence more of a propaganda exercise and not an actual technology advance.
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^^ it's a design that SMIC copied from Taiwan's TSMC. They have already been sued by TSMC for patent violation and are of course under US sanctions.

Meanwhile Samsung has begun mass production of 3 nanometer semiconductors last month. And IMEC the body where TSMC, Samsung, ASML, Cadence and Synopsys coordinate the design, fabrication and tools for the semi conductor industry has worked out a road map to 2036 for sub nanometer chips i.e. < 1 nanometer or measured in Angstroms!! China is at least 2 generations behind the leading edge.
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yensoy wrote: Actually I couldn't find any non-Indian references to this news :rotfl: but it is spreading a little although Newsweek has debunked the story now.
Since it is not reported in western media and only in Indian media, it fails your credibility test and hence a ROTFL emoji? Maybe West wants zero disruption in their supply chains until the situation is managed by Chinese rulers and suppressed it? How many headlines do we see of killings in Tibet or Xinjiang everyday in western press?

Newsweek link you posted has no solid debunking of the fact that China got tanks out for intimidation of civilians outside a bank. They are quoting a single local CCP drone/vlogger to claim it is routine exercise that just stopped near a bank for chai-biskoot

I recall this is the second time recently, when you had been apologetic about such things pertaining to both the taller-friends, first was when many posters including me pointed out that Pervez Hoodbhoy is a low class India hater while you claimed he is a big deal physicist etc and is fun to watch. Concerning pattern.
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Spectacular Chinese TANK driving skills -- Circ du Soleil stuff .. :rotfl: :rotfl:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1550496361166036994
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From SCMP (no URL)
Shipping data from financial information provider Refinitiv Eikon showed research and survey vessel Yuan Wang 5 was en route to Hambantota and expected to arrive on August 11, at a time when Sri Lanka is facing its worst economic crisis in seven decades.

India has provided its neighbouring island nation with nearly US$4 billion in support this year alone.

The Pentagon’s annual report on China’s military modernisation says the Yuan Wang ships are operated by the Strategic Support Force of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA).

An Indian foreign ministry spokesman said the government was monitoring the planned visit of the Chinese ship, and New Delhi would protect its security and economic interests.

Spokesman Arindam Bagchi declined to say if the Indian foreign minister, Subrahmanyam Jaishankar, will meet Chinese counterpart Wang Yi at the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) meeting in the Uzbek capital Tashkent.

China has not officially commented on the ship’s visit and the matter has not gained traction in Chinese media. China’s foreign ministry did not respond to a request for comment.

India has already lodged a verbal protest with the Sri Lankan government against the ship’s visit.

A Sri Lankan consulting firm, the Belt and Road Initiative Sri Lanka, said on its website that the Yuan Wang 5 will be in Hambantota for a week and “conduct space tracking, satellite control and research tracking in the north-western part of the Indian Ocean region through August and September”.
So far, China has not announced any concession or funds to the Sri Lankans to mitigate their economic woes.

The arrival of Yuan Wang 5 at Hambantota shows two things. Even if the Sri Lankans were to protest to the Chinese about it (upon pressure from India), the Chinese would disregard it because Hambantota belongs to them now whatever rules of operation that Sri Lanka may have agreed with China. Secondly, Sri Lanka would never be in any position to enforce such an agreement/understanding, if any, and more so now with their abject economy. So, the Chinese are testing the waters for more PLAN visits to Hambantota, thus proving the original prediction that such dual-use ports in weak countries would be used for PLAN's activities. Besides, the Sri Lankans have been smart operators, falling foul of us on many occasions but remaining unscathed.
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Are there any upcoming significant missile tests in August & September?
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vijayk wrote:https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1552 ... 90240.html
Does not look hopeful.
Why is all this a surprise. Anyone who has been paying attention to what the PLAF has accomplished over the last 20 years or so will reach the same conclusion.

Only the IAF top brass thinks that Indian defence can be strengthened by importing 5 squadrons of this and 2 squadrons of that.

While playing pricey with LCA that is available today and it could have been in squadron service in large numbers from 2012-13. If they made the decision to solidly get behind the jet at the end of it's TD phase in 2005-06. Due to the myopia of the brass we have lost 15 years of Tejas serial production.

Coupled with all the lessons in bringing an ab initio development programs into mass production. It is this phenomenon that will defeat India.

IAF needs to grow in size to 2500 to 2750 combat aircraft if it has to have a realistic chance in a genuine 2 front scenario.
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The upcoming Chinese economic collapse will force the CCCP to resort to military adventurism in Taiwan and the Himalayas
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