Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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No, India must not get involved in management of any stressed asset funded by the PRC.

The more PRC exploits such nations and asset. The better for us. It will create a constituency dedicated to fighting with PRC.

My thinking in this matter is," never interrupted your enemy. Especially when he is making a mistake".

We don't have a dog in this fight.
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Pratyush wrote:No, India must not get involved in management of any stressed asset funded by the PRC.

The more PRC exploits such nations and asset. The better for us. It will create a constituency dedicated to fighting with PRC.

My thinking in this matter is," never interrupted your enemy. Especially when he is making a mistake".

We don't have a dog in this fight.
Very true, saar

Especially because of the way uganda treated Indians during the idi amin era.

They drove them out and also usurped their properties.

As yet, India doesn't have the financial muscle, the military might, the soft power advantage, nor the diplomatic and the geopolitical heft to operate aggressively in the international arena.

So, it's best to keep your head down and be mindful of which dogs you choose to pet and whom those dogs belong to.

It's very easy to land up in a "gimme, gimme, gimme" afghanistan type of fiasco because of foolish understanding of "historical" ties and misinterpreting of philosophies like vasudhaiva kutumbakam when other's clearly don't reciprocate but will more than gladly take advantage of India with alacrity because there is no obligation of reciprocity involved from their worldview.

vasudhaiva kutumbakam does not include constructs that are able override territorial integrity or extend to the one sided exploitation of a relationship that only extracts benefits but willfully excludes the possibility of a fair and equitable bilateral relationship.

Glaring examples are eyran, pukestan and afghanistan + taliban and our dearly beloved regional friends and so called neighbors
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Also see how Kenya has dealt with a similar issue,

https://www.globalconstructionreview.co ... hina-brid/

Kenya’s Court of Appeals finds SGR contract with China Road and Bridge Corporation was illegal

"The case was dismissed by the High Court that same year, but earlier this month the appellate judges ruled that the SGR procurement process breached Article 227 of the Kenyan Constitution, as it was not open to a public tender, and so was not "fair, equitable, transparent, competitive and cost-effective"."

Sounds a bit like an "Unequal Treaty!!"

Kenya to take over Chinese-operated rail line five years early

https://www.globalconstructionreview.co ... e-five-ye/

Furthermore, wrote this 3 years ago,

"Let's say the Chinese court rules against the borrower. How will they enforce the ruling? To the best of my knowledge, China is not a member to the Paris Club, correct? IMHO, the contract is not worth the paper on which it is written as China lacks the ability to enforce its will for it lacks the internationality necessary for enforcement."
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The Chinese need to be stiffed repeatedly before they back off from this type of predatory lending. Providing support and soft loans will go against this because these soft loans will be used to make peace with the Chinese companies.
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We should also refrain from this Indic man’s burden like the Xtian West thought itself of the White mans burden in the previous centuries. They would find it nice to accomplish their objectives using our resources and specifically in Africa they haven’t really gone off the white mans yoke . So let them figure their way out while we fix our own mess
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https://t.co/ynTAnbet7h

Beijing wanted to 'break' Australia -U.S. Indo-Pacific adviser

"The United States is not leaving the Indo-Pacific, and we're not in decline," he said, adding there appeared to be a belief among "ideological advisers around President Xi that somehow the United States is in this hurtling decline".

-- looks like a reference to Wang(ker) Huning
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Taiwan’s first home-made submarine may be ready a year ahead of schedule
The island has also succeeded in hiring engineers, technicians and former naval officers from at least five other countries: Australia, South Korea, India, Spain and Canada, the Reuters report said.
South Korea recently denied that it had ever helped Taiwan in the project, saying it could be something done by individuals rather than the government.

In response to the Reuters report, Beijing said the Taiwanese authorities were colluding with “external forces”.

The foreign ministry also said the countries involved should end their involvement with the project and “stop military ties with Taiwan and stop supporting Taiwan independence secessionist forces”.
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https://www.reuters.com/investigates/sp ... espionage/

The operation detailed in these documents shows how Beijing allegedly sought out commanders in the Taiwan military and induced them to become spies. It comes amid a series of convictions for military espionage in Taiwan in recent years. Those cases reveal that China has mounted a broader campaign to undermine the democratic island’s military and civilian leadership, corrode its will to fight, extract details of high-tech weapons and gain insights into defense planning, according to senior retired Taiwanese military officers and current counter-espionage agents, as well as former U.S. military and intelligence officers with experience in Taiwan.

Beijing has even penetrated the security detail assigned to protect Taiwan’s President Tsai Ing-wen. A retired presidential security officer and a serving military police lieutenant colonel at the unit tasked with protecting the president had their conviction upheld earlier this year for leaking sensitive information about Tsai’s security to a Chinese intelligence agency.

Lu, who has studied Chinese spying operations, said Beijing’s agents often begin softening their targets with offers of small gifts, drinks and meals. Handlers typically pay richly for the first piece of secret information extracted from current or retired officers, Lu said. This payment would later be used to blackmail them into supplying further intelligence at a much lower price, he said.

The series of convictions in Taiwanese courts shows cultivating disloyalty in the military remains a high priority for Beijing. Despite China’s vastly stronger forces and serious shortcomings in Taiwan’s military, the island remains a tough target for invasion. Even without outside assistance, Taiwan’s best-trained troops could inflict heavy losses by exploiting well-prepared positions, rugged terrain and the vulnerability of an invasion fleet crossing the Taiwan Strait, say Taiwanese and U.S. military analysts.

For Chinese invaders, advance knowledge of defensive plans, communication codes, weapons sites and troop locations would offset some of these difficulties, according to these analysts. Disloyal officers might also refuse to fight, misdirect their troops or defect to the attackers.

Even the discovery of Chinese spies in peacetime is a potentially demoralizing blow to Taiwan. “The repeated cases of the most senior level of Taiwan armed forces officers being convicted of espionage has got to have a psychological effect on the officer corps and in the ranks,” said Grant Newsham, a retired U.S. Marine Corps colonel who has studied the island’s defense capabilities. “And, once you can create doubt in the honesty of one’s leaders, the rot sets in and deepens.”

One retired high-ranking officer in Taiwan agreed: Colleagues lose confidence in one another, this person said, and “you make allies lose confidence in you.”

Some Taiwanese military veterans worry that the repeated espionage cases will make the United States, the island’s main ally, unwilling to share advanced weapons or sensitive intelligence for fear of these secrets leaking to Beijing.

To reinforce the message, posters and signs on bases exhort Taiwanese soldiers to remain vigilant. Stickers with the number of a hotline for reporting suspected spies have been posted above some urinals. Packs of tissues handed out to troops carry a notice promising a reward of T$5 million ($180,000) for successfully exposing a spy
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Special Report: Amazon partnered with China propaganda arm
Amazon.com Inc was marketing a collection of President Xi Jinping's speeches and writings on its Chinese website about two years ago, when Beijing delivered an edict, according to two people familiar with the incident.

A negative review of Xi's book prompted the demand, one of the people said. "I think the issue was anything under five stars," the highest rating in Amazon's five-point system, said the other person.

An internal 2018 Amazon briefing document that describes the company's China business lays out a number of "Core Issues" the Seattle-based giant has faced in the country. Among them: "Ideological control and propaganda is the core of the toolkit for the communist party to achieve and maintain its success," the document notes.

Amazon partnered with an arm of China's propaganda apparatus to create a selling portal on the company's U.S. site, Amazon.com – a project that came to be known as China Books.

The company's compromises with Beijing contrast with its efforts to get around regulators in the world's two largest democracies. In India, Reuters this year has documented how Amazon circumvented local regulations and, to promote its own brands, rigged search results on its Indian website.
There's lot more in the article about how Amazon worked with NPAA, which is controlled by CCP's "Publicity department" which was previously known as Propaganda department, how they assisted China in 'Going Abroad,' an umbrella project that aims to promote Chinese culture to the world." In 2018 they handed over their cloud tech, AWS, to local chinese companies to comply with their regulatory department. Lots more interesting info in the article.

Imo top marks to CCP for handling Bezos by the balls and possibly great many lessons to learn for desh.
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Japan, U.S. draft operation plan for Taiwan contingency: sources
Japan's Self-Defense Forces and the U.S. military have drawn up a draft joint operation plan that would enable the setup of an attack base along the Nansei island chain in the country's southwest in the event of a Taiwan contingency, according to Japanese government sources.

Japan and the United States will likely agree to begin work to formalize an operation plan when their foreign and defense chiefs meet in early January under the "two-plus-two" framework, the sources told Kyodo News by Thursday.

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Japan doing what uncle wanted India to do..
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SS Check this out. Will write rebuttal after New Year.


https://twitter.com/jabinjacobt/status/ ... 3siRg&s=19


URL: https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/opini ... 81781.html
India’s China policy in 2021 has been a failure
Instead of responding in kind to China’s actions since Galwan, the Indian government seems to have allowed itself to be taken in by Chinese propaganda and its saber-rattling
JABIN T JACOB DECEMBER 30, 2021 / 10:54 AM IST

What is the sum total of the Indian government’s achievements in dealing with China in the last year?


One, on the Line of Actual Control (LAC) itself, in the rush to create the semblance of ‘achievement’, the Indian government proved too eager to make concessions and to show as if the bilateral relationship was getting back on track. As a result, the Chinese got the Indian Army to vacate the Kailash ranges occupied at the end of August 2020 in return for disengagement from just two points — Pangong Tso and Gogra — in the opening months of the year. The entire process has subsequently stalled with Hot Springs, Demchok and Depsang remaining points of friction. This was entirely predictable and indeed, the government had fair warning.

What is worse, there has been an attempt to portray Depsang as a ‘legacy’ issue predating the latest tensions, which is another way of saying that not only does the government not have much of a roadmap for the final resolution of the boundary dispute, it is willing to allow the Chinese to dictate the nature and pace of changes on the ground at the LAC — that it does not see the disturbance in the status quo as an opportunity to try new things but as a crisis to be contained.

That is not the mark of a government that comprehends or prioritises national security issues, leave alone India’s international image in the neighbourhood or globally. For surely, a country that does not acknowledge that it has lost territory, let alone retake such territory, cannot command much respect in other capitals.

Two, while New Delhi has shown greater gumption since Galwan in partnering with the US as well as in initiatives of the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue — Prime Minister Narendra Modi attended the first face-to-face summit of the Quad heads of government in Washington in September —the stench of inertia about India has not quite dissipated. The Indian government is frequently at pains to describe the Quad as not being aimed at ‘any third country’ and to state that it was not a military alliance. The Indian Navy has even been careful to classify the Quad as an MEA initiative different from the Malabar naval exercises.


If the Quad is not aimed at China and is only interested in the provision of public goods in the Indo-Pacific, then what exactly sets it apart from similar Chinese initiatives in the region? And how can India (or any other Quad member) impose costs on those countries that seek to play both sides, or side only with Chinese initiatives?

The US decision to share nuclear submarine technology with Australia creating the Australia-UK-US, or AUKUS, alliance on the eve of the Quad summit is as much a message to India as it is to China. The Indian government’s media management on China policy will only work in India and that too, only among a willingly gullible audience — an unfortunately large one these days — not among the professionals or in foreign countries. The Indian government has disclosed no strategy to evict Chinese intruders from areas within its perception of the LAC and this cannot have escaped the US’ attention. Coming over a year after the Galwan clashes, the AUKUS is a sign that Washington is unwilling to put all its eggs in the India basket.

In the coming year then, what can we expect from the Indian government in terms of China policy?

New Delhi has appointed a ‘China hand’ in the MEA, Pradeep Kumar Rawat, as the new ambassador in Beijing. Given his prior record — including a role in defunding India’s oldest research institute focused on China and East Asia, the Institute of Chinese Studies — it would be unwise to expect any great creativity in India’s thinking on China or in its actions in Beijing. In any case, a mere change of personnel at the Indian embassy in Beijing will not be sufficient to bring about changes in Chinese behaviour.

The Indian Army continues to lack several capabilities and resources required for a full-fledged conflict along the LAC — insufficient numbers of Chinese interpreters and inadequate analysis of open-source intelligence, for example — and there are many areas along the LAC where it remains far from well-placed to counter the Chinese as the events in eastern Ladakh last year show.

These are necessarily gaps that will take years to overcome but that does not mean that India needs to play the waiting game or cannot take the initiative. It certainly has the wherewithal to engage in salami slicing or capture of territory across parts of the LAC and the firepower and the tactical acumen to fight the Chinese to a standstill in many areas along the LAC. But even these limited actions designed to tell the Chinese in no unequivocal terms that India will not be pushed around or allow the Chinese to solidify the post-Galwan status quo appear to be constrained by the Indian government’s lack of understanding of the actual political objectives as well as constraints of the Chinese side. Instead of responding in kind to China’s actions last year, the Indian government seems to have allowed itself to be taken in by Chinese propaganda and its sabre-rattling.

In fact, it appears that the Indian government lacks the political will to deal with China firmly and unambiguously. On the one hand, India is upping ties with the US which China considers its archenemy while on the other New Delhi also engages with the Chinese in talk-shops like the BRICS and the Russia-India-China trilateral under the mistaken impression that these somehow assuage Chinese concerns or buy time.

More importantly, the Indian government appears distracted by, or perhaps is even more concerned about, domestic politics — the upcoming state elections in Uttar Pradesh, for example — to pay much attention to national security. The delay in naming a successor to Gen. Bipin Rawat as CDS following his tragic death is a case in point. A government which comprehends India’s national security challenges does not take two weeks (and still counting) to fill a crucial leadership position in the military hierarchy at a time when there are multiple active disputes on its borders. :(( This is a delay that sends wrong signals to friends and adversaries alike.

The only saving grace might be that China’s current trajectory will continue to offer the Indian government plenty of opportunities for course correction in the coming year.


Jabin T Jacob is Associate Professor, Department of International Relations and Governance Studies, Shiv Nadar University, Delhi NCR, and Adjunct Research Fellow at the National Maritime Foundation, New Delhi. Twitter: @jabinjacobt.

Views are personal and do not represent the stand of this publication.
JABIN T JACOB is Associate Professor, Department of International Relations and Governance Studies, Shiv Nadar University, Delhi-NCR. Twitter: @jabinjacobt.
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Where do I start to deconstruct this erroneous article?
Lets start with the achievements stated.
One, on the Line of Actual Control (LAC) itself, in the rush to create the semblance of ‘achievement’, the Indian government proved too eager to make concessions and to show as if the bilateral relationship was getting back on track. As a result, the Chinese got the Indian Army to vacate the Kailash ranges occupied at the end of August 2020 in return for disengagement from just two points — Pangong Tso and Gogra — in the opening months of the year. The entire process has subsequently stalled with Hot Springs, Demchok and Depsang remaining points of friction. This was entirely predictable and indeed, the government had fair warning.
In both Pangong Tso and Hot Springs the soldiers are in eyeball to eyeball and disengaging is a priority. There are many possibilities for flare-ups. After the talks for the first time, PRC vacated positions they occupied which has not happened since 1962.

The military commander-level talks are going on for the rest of the areas like Hot Springs, Demchok, and Depsang.

Unlike the writer's claims that GOI was in a rush to show a semblance of 'achievement', the stated position always was the restoration of status quo ante to April 2020. This was stated even in talks with President Putin. So there is no change in the govt position.

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Two, while New Delhi has shown greater gumption since Galwan in partnering with the US as well as in initiatives of the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue — Prime Minister Narendra Modi attended the first face-to-face summit of the Quad heads of government in Washington in September —the stench of inertia about India has not quite dissipated. The Indian government is frequently at pains to describe the Quad as not being aimed at ‘any third country’ and to state that it was not a military alliance. The Indian Navy has even been careful to classify the Quad as an MEA initiative different from the Malabar naval exercises.
Also India banned 50 money making Apps and Chinese investment in Indian companies. Also walked out of RCEP pact. So there was escalation in different arena.
Coming to QUAD, India does not want to be anybody's John Company sepoy or Gungadin.

In the Quad, India is the only country with a land border. All the others have high seas separating them.

Let us look at the history of Quad. It was formed as a joint initiative between India and Japan in November 2016.
President Trump wanted to be part of this initiative and joined with fanfare. Australia too joined and it became an Indo-Pacific Ocean group. It is not an alliance or treaty. After President Biden got elected the Quad was being used to promote vaccine diplomacy in South East Asia which has suffered from the pandemic.
Indian expertise in vaccine know-how was to be used with Japan funding US vaccine mfg in India and Australia to transport.
How is this a military or naval alliance or treaty?
It is clearly a diplomatic initiative.
IN is pointing out they have been exercising with the US and now Australia in Malabar Exercise since 1993 Kicklighter proposals.

If Quad is not a military alliance to check China, it's not India's fault.

I don't know about Ambassador Rawat's appointment except for the press release that he has experience in China. It must have been carefully selected. The writer has a gripe that some think tank was defunded on his advice.
This institute seems to be doing quite fine from their website:

https://www.icsin.org/

In fact, they even have a joint program with Harvard going on. And his own uty.
Next, he faults the Indian Army for not having Chinese language experts. This ignores the fact that Eastern Army Commander Lt Gen Y.K. Josh is a china language expert. And so far the IA has had 14 rounds of talks with PLA. It is hard to have so many rounds of talks without language experts and interpreters to take notes.

As for open-source intelligence, its a good as what you pay for it. Which is nothing.
The communique issued for disengagement said that there were overflights of the areas and that's hard intelligence which beat guessing.

As for late Gen Rawat's successor, the govt has just received the accident investigation report and possibly going through due diligence to make sure the right candidate is selected to ensure continuity of the CDS mandate.

So this begs the real question?
Jabin Jacob ko guss khyun ata?
What getting his goat?



The BTW reference to Ambassador Rawat's appointment shows he disagrees with that decision for whatever reasons he has.
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Jabin Jacob is following the long standing tradition of Indian journalism/opinion writing. As soon as one has an opportunity to say something and get it printed, all intelligence and discernment is replaced by this irrepressible khujli to criticise the Govt, especially the Diplomats and Armed Forces with any and all arguments, no matter how specious they are. Because many believe thats the only way to prove you are smart. Else there is fear of being seen as "dumb" or "Govt's puppet". On top of it, if you also take a moral high ground and sermonise (what we today call SJW or Woke is actually quite an ancient phenomenon) - then you get coopted by the anti-establishment stink-tanks and will get more opportunities to write, get on stage at lefty-intello events, and if you have pedigree and play it well, a phoren visiting faculty-ship, even a book deal....

When so much is at stake, why let facts, logic, analysis, patriotism (shame! shame!) get in the way of a good smear piece?
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Quite insightful remarks by Cyrano.
One can verify by who all tweeted and retweeted this op-ed
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Another advisory op-ed

https://www.news18.com/news/opinion/ind ... 17104.html

Will comment tomorrow


Difficult to comment as the website does not allow copying the text to comment.
The writer is partly true in his path forward.
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China used actors to stage flag hoisting video in Chinese territory claiming to be Galwan valley, reveal Weibo users before their accounts suspended
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The communist government in China have been left red-faced after some users on the Chinese social media platform Weibo revealed that the Xi Jinping government used Chinese actors to shoot the entire propaganda video on Galwan Valley. It may be recalled that the video was shared by journalist Shen Shiwei and CCP mouthpiece Global Times wherein PLA personnel were seen unfurling the China flag at what they claimed to be the Galwan Valley. The Weibo users have pointed out that that the CCP staged the dramatic flag-raising event on the first day of 2022 with Chinese actor Wu Jung and his wife Xie Nan.

Media reports quoted Weibo users confirming that the shooting, which lasted for almost 4 hours, took place about 28 kilometres behind Galwan River, deep within the Chinese-controlled Aksai Chin region.

Chinese actor Wu Jung has often essayed the role of a PLA soldier in various Chinese movies, including The Battle at Lake Changjin, the most expensive movie made in China. His wife Xie Nan, who was also spotted by Weibo users in China’s propaganda video, rose to fame in a 2007 drama series, Jian Xing Tian Xia. She is also a TV host.

Weibo users accounts get suspended after revealing the truth

As per some Weibo users, on the 24th of December, a team of directors, junior actors, Wu Jing, Xie Nan, and some PLA officers went to the filming location to shoot the propaganda video. The film was released at an event that occurred on January 1, 2022, and it took four hours to shoot.

All of the accounts of the Weibo users were suspended shortly after the names of the actors were exposed by them.

China shares propaganda video on intruding in Galwan Valley, sections of Indian media lap it up

Interestingly, in the 45-second Chinese propaganda video shared by Shen Shiwei and CCP mouthpiece Global Times, PLA personnel were seen unfurling the China flag at what they claimed to be the Galwan Valley. The video was amplified by some media organisations, journalists, opposition politicians, including Rahul Gandhi, who took the Chinese claims of intruding into Galwan Valley at face value and slammed the government for not being able to safeguard the country’s territorial integrity.

The Government of India had, however, refuted the Chinese claims made in the video, adding that the clip was shot not at the India-China Line of Actual Control along the Galwan Valley in Eastern Ladakh but was from deep inside the Chinese territory.

Indian Army busts Chinese propaganda video

Notably, pictures of a group of Indian Army men proudly hoisting the tricolour in the Galwan Valley on New Year’s Day emerged three days after China released the video. The images released on 4 January by Union Law and Justice Minister Kiren Rijiju were considered as a potent response to the propaganda video shared on January 1, 2022 by the Chinese Communist Party mouthpiece Global Times.

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Taiwan being invited to RIMPAC - Taipei Times
Hot on the heels of a statement of US congressional support for the defense of Taiwan, US President Joe Biden on Monday last week signed the National Defense Authorization Act into law, which recommends that the US Department of Defense invites Taiwan to this year’s Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) exercise.

The act also calls on the department to assist Taiwan in bolstering its self-defense capability.

Started in 1977 and held every two years, RIMPAC is the world’s largest international maritime warfare exercise and is administered by US forces based at Pearl Harbor in Hawaii.

Since 2012, more than 20 nations have participated in each RIMPAC exercise. The Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) participated in the exercise for the first time in 2014 and was invited again in 2016.

However, Beijing’s aggressive expansion of its land reclamation activities in the South China Sea has significantly destabilized the Asia-Pacific region and strained the US-China relationship, causing Washington to not invite China to participate in any further editions.


Although Taiwan’s military has to date been unable to formally attend the exercises, it has in the past dispatched high-ranking officers to attend as “observers.”

If Taiwan were able to formally participate in, and send naval warships to, this year’s RIMPAC exercise, it would represent a significant breakthrough in the nation’s foreign military exchanges.

The security situation in the Taiwan Strait is not just a regional problem, but concerns every member of the global community. Maintaining peace in the Strait cannot be achieved through Taiwan-US bilateral military cooperation alone, but should be approached from a global strategic perspective.

Taiwan should engage with friendly nations in the region and work toward establishing substantive military-to-military exchanges.

To achieve this aim, the government should seek Washington’s support to participate in any multinational military exercise that is geared toward upholding regional peace or providing humanitarian assistance. This year’s RIMPAC exercise presents an ideal opportunity to achieve this goal.

Taiwan’s full participation in the event would not only allow its military to integrate its operational concepts with the US and other foreign militaries, but would also take Taiwan a step closer toward achieving substantive military alliances with participating nations.

During the past two decades, Japan and Australia have become regular RIMPAC participants, and both have entered into separate military alliances with the US: Tokyo established the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security Between the US and Japan, and Canberra struck the AUKUS trilateral pact with the US and the UK.

Taiwan should therefore be seeking opportunities to engage in military cooperation with Japan and Australia, in addition to the US.

The primary purpose of RIMPAC is to develop a joint operational capability between the navies of participating nations for the purpose of carrying out multinational maritime missions and to ensure that a collective response can be mobilized to counter the full gamut of maritime threats.

The RIMPAC exercise consists of three phases.

Phase 1 is an “in-port” exercise, phase 2 covers “force integration” and phase 3 comprises a series of scenario-driven “free” exercises. Phases 2 and 3 include live-fire gunnery and missile exercises, maritime interdiction and vessel boardings, anti-surface warfare, undersea warfare, naval maneuvers and air-defense exercises.

Local media reported that the Ministry of National Defense has initiated a “comprehensive English conversion” program, which has been introduced to a select group of navy personnel, in anticipation of Taiwan being invited to participate in this year’s exercise.

If Taiwan receives an invitation from Washington, the navy would be fully prepared to take part.

Expanding regional security and cooperation is a vital objective of Taiwan’s national defense strategy. If Taiwan is able to participate in this year’s RIMPAC, it would not only provide the military with an enhanced level of training, but would also assist in elevating its warfighting interoperability.

Moreover, as a vital security partner within the US’ Indo-Pacific strategy, Taiwan’s participation in this year’s exercise, which is administered by the US Indo-Pacific Command, would have global strategic significance by demonstrating Taiwan’s substantial contribution to upholding peace and security in the region.
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I wonder what gave the game away? Was it the perfectly pitched voices synchronized with invisible musical equipment? Or was it the model-quality fit-looking "PLA" robotic Soldaten? Or that "woman PLA" without a fur hat? Or, the missing snow in the background?
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anupmisra wrote:
I wonder what gave the game away? Was it the perfectly pitched voices synchronized with invisible musical equipment? Or was it the model-quality fit-looking "PLA" robotic Soldaten? Or that "woman PLA" without a fur hat? Or, the missing snow in the background?
They recognized the actors.
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Now, mysteriously (or predictably) that soprano quality video from "Galwan" (dated Jan 1) is no longer on GlobalWhines teetar account. It has now been replaced with this picture (on Jan 7, perhaps in response to IA's more sedate message). Note the drone in the middle.

By the way, I did not know that the PLA soldaten salute was a fist hitting his helmet.

Image

Video:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1479495608826089476
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Th flags definitely seem PSed.
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chiru wrote:Th flags definitely seem PSed.
That's right. Good eye. These same flags are missing from the video.
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They're using an ancient Kung Fu technique which consists of boxing one's own ears to trigger increased blood supply to the head when reeling from high alt hypoxia. Same technique is recommended when one feels WTF I'm doing here?
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China steps up construction along disputed Bhutan border, satellite images show - Economic Times
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. . . all six settlements appear to be in territory disputed by China and Bhutan - including a contested tract of roughly 110 square kilometres
It is within China's sovereignty to carry out normal construction activities on its own territory," the [Chinese Foreign] ministry said.
As simple as that. Everything is Chinese sovereign territory.
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^^^^^So, finally, after 5 years Doka Lam gone. It was a brilliant military intervention of Late Sri Bipin Rawat sir that has post poned this eventuality by 5 years.

It's just a matter of time before we lose Galwan and Pongong Tso also.

The problem of China can only be resolved Politically. In China, the politics and Military are so finely synchronized. India will never reach such sophistication, even though brilliant valiance of Late Shri Babu etc just push the eventual loss by some years.

Only way to take on China is to break it up into 5 provinces. It can come with first covertly weakening China by biological war in the coastal China which is a legitimate target of USA and India (who suffered from Wuhan virus) and then militarily outflank PLA in Tibet.

Han should p!$$ in pants when they think of Indian Army. I think, after two years of Galwan it would be appropriate to release photographic proof of handing over of sugar si$$ies body bags to PLA.
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Huh? Where did you get that idea? Most of Bhutan's northern border with Chinese controlled Tibet is not mutually demarcated.
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^^^ stop being apologetic for PLA. Atleast Late Shri Bipin Rawat was not.

First of all, China doesn't have any claim on Tibet, historically or ethnically, or culturally. Tibet is an occupied land. For a brief period of time Tibet was a vassal state of Imperial China, but Tibet had been sovereign in the recorded history till it was occupied. I don't accept any sovereignty of China in Tibet.
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Nepal is the key to Tibet's relationship with China. Read up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Nepalese_War. Basically there is some dispute between Nepal and Tibet; Nepal invades Tibet; Tibet suffers losses, seeks Qing empire backing. Qing sends in troops, in the process deeming Tibet to be a vassal state/tributary. In the second such series, Nepal loses and eventually ends up paying tribute to Qing (Tibet was always paying tribute). This shapes the Chinese world view, a snapshot in time some centuries back.
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TKiran wrote:^^^^^So, finally, after 5 years Doka Lam gone. It was a brilliant military intervention of Late Sri Bipin Rawat sir that has post poned this eventuality by 5 years.
If I remember correctly, China always had control over those territories of Bhutan...
Lot of construction was going on there for many years...
Bhutanese territory at Doka Lam was never under Bhutananese control...

India intervened 5 years back only when PLA tried to enter Indian territory...
Indian territory at Doka Lam is still with us...

Basically nothing is gone...
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Must see ! The financial apocalypse is coming
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^^^ Very interesting facts shared by Cathie Wood worth watching
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The Great Fall of China.
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Simple TWEET -- gives Xi -- a massive wedgie -- 4 Million+ Searches and Counting ...

https://twitter.com/ShivAroor/status/14 ... 6Xg5UpAAAA

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TKiran wrote:^^^^^So, finally, after 5 years Doka Lam gone. It was a brilliant military intervention of Late Sri Bipin Rawat sir that has post poned this eventuality by 5 years.

It's just a matter of time before we lose Galwan and Pongong Tso also.

The problem of China can only be resolved Politically. In China, the politics and Military are so finely synchronized. India will never reach such sophistication, even though brilliant valiance of Late Shri Babu etc just push the eventual loss by some years.

Only way to take on China is to break it up into 5 provinces. It can come with first covertly weakening China by biological war in the coastal China which is a legitimate target of USA and India (who suffered from Wuhan virus) and then militarily outflank PLA in Tibet.

Han should p!$$ in pants when they think of Indian Army. I think, after two years of Galwan it would be appropriate to release photographic proof of handing over of sugar si$$ies body bags to PLA.
Tkiran Saar,
Its quite amusing to find you pop up once in a while and pour vitriol on India and Indians with very little info on your end (you had done the same thing regarding farm laws as well). It might take some reading right on what rohitvats had posted about dokla/doklang/doklam issues.

First of all, the territory in dispute 5 years ago was a tri-junction area (means the border had India, China and Bhutan). We called that area by Doka la, Bhutan called it Doklang and Chinese called it Doklam. Our presstitutes in their infinite wisdom and glory referred the area with their chinese names (gee, i wonder why maybe they have already given up on the territory like you did with respect to China and are referring to their Chinese masters).

Doklam plateau is another area that is to the north/northeastern part of the current dispute area that has only China and Bhutan as the boundary arbitrators. these are mainly grazing lands from what i can remember and Chinese had encroached upon them like they did to most of the border regions and bullied the Bhutanese to accept their claims. they have been building structures mostly in those areas.

You can find the birds of a feather flocking together if you go to Raga's twitter account that is full of lies and half truths claiming that Modi govt had lost areas in Arunachal when it was lost during his great grandfathers time. you either seem to get your info from the same sources or simply regurgitate what Rahul Gandhi's twitter account and followers say.

Coming to breaking china could you flesh out a scenario where it can be "broken" as per your estimates. Why would China break now and how would the US ensure it breaks now when they didn't lift a finger on Hong Kong protests. It will take far more than simply typing how it can be done.

The Chinese do know the capabilities of the Indian army, if any new troops are rotated from different regions and are unaware, they too will get to know about it in due course of time and if need be with hard personal eperience. Sitting in massage chairs and oxygen rich chambers and sending those photos out with tip top models is not how you fight a battle.

After all their bravado of supplying hot meals to their soldiers and idotic idoms like "Mountains can be moved but not PLA", they tucked tails between their legs and withdrew beyond finger 8 up to Sirijap, (first time they have withdrawn from their claim lines with nothing to show). Didn't do squat when Kailash range was occupied. these border troops can pose without trim uniforms eating snow, showcasing bare bodies that don't seem to have any issue with the elements of tibetan border and show it to their their domestic audience, but otherwise they were sitting and spent most of their days masturbating in the cold bunker if the reports were to be believed.
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China’s Births Hit Historic Low, a Political Problem for Beijing

quoting the most important parts of the article so you don't have to give nyt traffic...
The number of births fell to 10.6 million in 2021, compared with 12 million the year before, according to figures reported on Monday by the National Bureau of Statistics. That was fewer even than the number in 1961, when the Great Leap Forward, Mao Zedong’s economic policy, resulted in widespread famine and death.

For the first time since the Great Leap Forward, China’s population could soon begin to contract. The number of people who died in 2021 — 10.1 million — approached the number of those born, according to the figures announced on Monday. Some demographers say the peak may already have occurred.
The situation is creating a huge political problem for Beijing, which is already facing economic headwinds. Along with the demographic data, the country reported on Monday that growth in the last quarter of the year slowed to 4 percent.
sun tzu wins
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From the Horse's Mouth to Xitler's Ear's ...

Xitler is in HIDING -- straight from the Paki Barber Pir :rotfl: :rotfl:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1483707754397462530
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Former US Sec of Defense Mike Pompeo in the National Interest.

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/nu ... ury-199549

Nuclear Weapons, China, and a Strategic Defense Initiative for this Century
A modern strategy for addressing the threats we now confront must be conceptually similar to Reagan’s Strategic Defense Initiative and draw from the lessons it conveyed. It must also maintain the sufficiency of our triad and apply technologically advanced answers to the array of new threats we face.
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Japan not closing door on hosting American INF missiles
Japan is potentially open to hosting once-banned American intermediate-range missiles pending the results of a defense policy review, per the country’s ambassador to the United States — previewing what could be a dramatic escalation in Indo-Pacific tensions in just a few years’ time.
Speaking to NatSec Daily shortly after Prime Minister KISHIDA FUMIO spoke virtually with President JOE BIDEN, the ambassador said that leaders in Tokyo are weighing the idea of putting ground-based ballistic and cruise missiles capable of hitting China and North Korea on Japanese soil, though it’s far from a done deal.
The Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty of 1987, known as the INF, forbade the U.S. and Soviet Union from deploying ground-based nuclear and conventional ballistic and cruise missiles with ranges from 310 to 3,400 miles while also allowing intrusive on-site compliance verifications. But the deal ended in 2019 after both the Obama and Trump administrations accused Russia of violating its terms.
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ldev wrote:Japan not closing door on hosting American INF missiles
Japan is potentially open to hosting once-banned American intermediate-range missiles pending the results of a defense policy review, per the country’s ambassador to the United States — previewing what could be a dramatic escalation in Indo-Pacific tensions in just a few years’ time.
I am not sure what US missiles the Japanese are planning to host in the INF class because the Americans have none operational at this time.
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