Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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chanakyaa wrote:Apple, Ford, and Walmart lobbying against WeChat ban
"For those who don't live in China, they don't understand how vast the implications are if American companies aren't allowed to use it"

What you need to know

U.S. companies are lobbying against an executive order targeting WeChat.
Apple, Ford, and Walmart were all on a call with the White House on Tuesday.
Companies are worried it could undermine their competitiveness in China.
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I haven't quite understand this. WeChat is an App and iPhone is a platform. If US bans WeChat, then why is Apple concerned? The iPhone is a status marker in China as much as a phone. The USGov can ban WeChat in the US. They can't ban WeChat in China. So, if WeChat gets banned, then iPhones can't be used in China to access an app based out of China?

Btw, why is Google not hurt? Android phones also will be hurt right?
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The Chinese use WeChat for everything, including digital payments and other kinds of financial transactions. If Aemrican companies are not allowed to do business with wechat, Walmart and Apple Stores would lose business in China. Also if WeChat is not available as an app, Chinese will likely not buy the phones because it is so essential to everything they do with their phones. TikTok doesn't matter but WeChat does
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Yes, that my point too. Trump will ban WeChat in US. He can't ban WeChat in China. The Chinese in China can still use WeChat on a phone of their choice to do any transaction. So, Chinese in China can use iPhone with WeChat to go and buy a Ford in China.

What am I missing here. Trump cannot ban WeChat everywhere in the world.
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The text of the Executive order
Section 1. (a) The following actions shall be prohibited beginning 45 days after the date of this order, to the extent permitted under applicable law: any transaction that is related to WeChat by any person, or with respect to any property, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, with Tencent Holdings Ltd. (a.k.a. Téngxùn Kònggǔ Yǒuxiàn Gōngsī), Shenzhen, China, or any subsidiary of that entity, as identified by the Secretary of Commerce (Secretary) under section 1(c) of this order.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential ... ed-wechat/
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Skanda wrote:
I haven't quite understand this. WeChat is an App and iPhone is a platform. If US bans WeChat, then why is Apple concerned? The iPhone is a status marker in China as much as a phone. The USGov can ban WeChat in the US. They can't ban WeChat in China. So, if WeChat gets banned, then iPhones can't be used in China to access an app based out of China?

Btw, why is Google not hurt? Android phones also will be hurt right?
A substantial portion of Americans with Chinese links - ancestry or business - will be forced to relinquish their iPhones. They may be forced to move to Android which may allow backdoor installations of WeChat.
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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/india-ba ... 19214.htmlIndia Bars China Ships From Oil Trade as Ties Strain Further
(Bloomberg) -- India’s state-owned oil majors have stopped hiring Chinese tankers to ship their crude and petroleum products after relations deteriorated between the two countries, although the move is unlikely to impact trade flows.
I'm loving this. Small steps, and keep up the pressure. Don't do it all in one swoop. Every week announce 2 more restrictions. Show them that we are awake and alert. Otherwise it's the same kind of emotional tantrum which is soon forgotten and forgiven, steps reverted and lessons unlearned, which we have done throughout history.
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yensoy wrote:I'm loving this. Small steps, and keep up the pressure. Don't do it all in one swoop. Every week announce 2 more restrictions. Show them that we are awake and alert. Otherwise it's the same kind of emotional tantrum which is soon forgotten and forgiven, steps reverted and lessons unlearned, which we have done throughout history.
#CostliestWarTheyEverFought :)

This GOI is far more ruthless and willing to inflict pain than any prior Indian government. I can't speak for ground level deployment and troop support concerns for the mil forum, but in terms of actual visible costs to China in strategic and economic terms, it has been huge, and keeps piling up. Further, given current geopolitical currents, they're enabling others to do the same.

A continuous series of small steps also telegraphs that the government is in no mood to relent at all. One big f*rt is actually counterproductive because it also telegraphs that you're pandering to a domestic audience with some shock and awe, whereas continuous application of coercive measures indicates GOI focus is not on Indian domestic audience and more on continuing to inflict economic pain on PRC.

On the other side we have China currently run by a Mao-like despot who's decided to terminate 40 years of carefully devised transition of power to prevent another Mao from happening. Given the pressure cooker that is Chinese politics, that's like blocking the seeti hole on top - it just brings forward both the probability and time line of China's next internal implosion.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53773776
US labels Confucius Institute a Chinese 'foreign mission'
8/13/2020
The US has designated the Confucius Institute (CI), the Chinese government-run global education programme, as a foreign propaganda mission.
The order says CI, which offers language and cultural programmes overseas, is "owned or effectively controlled" by a foreign government.
Staff will be required to register and adhere to restrictions similar to those placed on diplomatic embassies.
It comes amid worsening relations between China and the US.
In a statement announcing the move, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo called the Confucius Institute "an entity advancing Beijing's global propaganda and malign influence campaign" on American classrooms and campuses.
"The United States wants to ensure that students on US campuses have access to Chinese language and cultural offerings free from the manipulation of the Chinese Communist Party and its proxies," Mr Pompeo continued, adding that the move was made to better inform educators.
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/11/asia/chi ... index.html
China increases military drills as tensions with US heat up
By Brad Lendon, CNN, Tue August 11, 2020

Hong Kong (CNN)China is stepping up military drills around East Asia as a war of words with the United States heats up over Washington's military activities and the visit of a US cabinet secretary to Taiwan.
One Chinese think tank even says the People's Liberation Army (PLA) may consider live-fire exercises near the US island of Guam.
Beijing has stepped up the pace of its war games in recent weeks, after the US sent two aircraft carrier strike groups on rare dual-carrier exercises in the South China Sea twice in the month of July.
But the visit of US Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar to the self-governed island of Taiwan this week has added fuel to the smoldering tensions. Azar is the highest-ranking US official to visit the island -- which Beijing regards as Chinese territory -- in decades.
Azar's presence in Taipei is "a serious breach" of US commitments on Taiwan, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian said Monday afternoon.
"We urge the US side to abide by the one-China principle and the provisions of three China-U.S. joint communiques, stop official interactions and contact of all kinds as well as the upgrading of substantive relations with the island, and handle Taiwan-related issues in a prudent and proper manner, so as not to seriously damage China-US cooperation in major areas as well as peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait," Zhao said, according to the state-run Xinhua news agency.
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Chinese firms hit by new import hurdles in India: Report
NEW DELHI/SHANGHAI: Chinese firms like Xiaomi are facing delays getting approvals from India's quality control agency for their goods, five industry sources told Reuters, as the business environment deteriorates after the stand-off in eastern Ladakh.
Greater scrutiny of Chinese imports follows calls for boycotts from nationalist groups, angered by the killing of 20 Indian soldiers in the border clash in June.
The Bureau of Indian Standards (BIS) has in recent weeks delayed approvals for mobile phone components and televisions, jeopardising the plans of firms such as Xiaomi as well as Oppo, industry sources in India and China said.
A senior official said the government was working on a new standards policy - likely to be announced by the end of August - in a bid to target low-quality products from China and elsewhere.
But those deliberations have stalled approvals for even branded Chinese companies' hoping to step up sales, one Indian industry source said.
"The products are not getting clearance as quality standards are being upgraded because of which many product lines could be affected," said the official, who declined to be identified.
Under the BIS's registration scheme, certain electronic goods - whether imported or locally made - need to meet India's standards. After companies get their products tested in a certified laboratory, BIS approves the applications.
A source briefed at a smartphone maker in China, which has been affected by delays, said BIS applications were typically processed within 15 days but had now "been left in limbo".
As of Friday, 643 applications were pending for registration, with 394 pending for more than 20 days, the BIS website said. It did not say how many were from Chinese companies.
The CP-UP Certification Technology Service Co, an agency based in China's Guangzhou city which helps clients with such clearances, told its customers in an August 4 notice that BIS had stopped processing applications from "non-Indian manufacturers" from July 23 "due to the trade war between China and India".
It was not immediately clear whether imports from countries other than China were also being held up.
“Though the mills of India's bureaucracy grind slowly, but they grind exceeding fine" :twisted:
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Ashokk wrote:Chinese firms hit by new import hurdles in India: Report
NEW DELHI/SHANGHAI: Chinese firms like Xiaomi are facing delays getting approvals from India's quality control agency for their goods, five industry sources told Reuters, as the business environment deteriorates after the stand-off in eastern Ladakh.
Greater scrutiny of Chinese imports follows calls for boycotts from nationalist groups, angered by the killing of 20 Indian soldiers in the border clash in June.
The Bureau of Indian Standards (BIS) has in recent weeks delayed approvals for mobile phone components and televisions, jeopardising the plans of firms such as Xiaomi as well as Oppo, industry sources in India and China said.
A senior official said the government was working on a new standards policy - likely to be announced by the end of August - in a bid to target low-quality products from China and elsewhere.
But those deliberations have stalled approvals for even branded Chinese companies' hoping to step up sales, one Indian industry source said.
"The products are not getting clearance as quality standards are being upgraded because of which many product lines could be affected," said the official, who declined to be identified.
Under the BIS's registration scheme, certain electronic goods - whether imported or locally made - need to meet India's standards. After companies get their products tested in a certified laboratory, BIS approves the applications.
A source briefed at a smartphone maker in China, which has been affected by delays, said BIS applications were typically processed within 15 days but had now "been left in limbo".
As of Friday, 643 applications were pending for registration, with 394 pending for more than 20 days, the BIS website said. It did not say how many were from Chinese companies.
The CP-UP Certification Technology Service Co, an agency based in China's Guangzhou city which helps clients with such clearances, told its customers in an August 4 notice that BIS had stopped processing applications from "non-Indian manufacturers" from July 23 "due to the trade war between China and India".
It was not immediately clear whether imports from countries other than China were also being held up.
“Though the mills of India's bureaucracy grind slowly, but they grind exceeding fine" :twisted:
May i say the babu "dom" excels in extra slow motion grinding !!.. some natives were victims , hopefully they save this extra mode for the chinese stuff !!
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This is what every country did in dealing with PRC. We woke up only after we lost 20 odd men. I wonder how many in CSG or whosoever told this GOI appeasement worked with PRC are still heard in the corridors of power.
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Not only correcting the course but people who were not advising in nation's interest should have at least been removed from gov't work. They should not be allowed even to be chaprasi.
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Even our President chooses to say 'neighbouring country' rather than directly call out China. All this while China helps our enemies left, right and center.

The systemic fear within our establishment will take years of strong governance to reduce.
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Some blame for that also goes to Indian military for not figuring out how to create Indian MIC. End of the day their job is to protect India and not only fight and die for India. Politicians come and go but others remain in place.
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^^^^^+1 million!! Thank you for stating that darshan ji. National Security has two components - Military and Economic. Buying imported junk under the garb of National Security should not be given an automatic pass. The details should be considered and how it affects Military and Economic ecosystems.
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This is a long post.

China's days as a "superpower" are practically over - even before it started.

Recent pronouncements by Wang Yi and also by the Chinese Ambassador to the US shows that China is already backpedalling from wolf warrior to pig farmer mode. Now they are pleading with the US to consider China to be a different social system from the western democratic one and therefore US should show mercy because they are just different ("like maggi sauce").

Of course, the Chinese know on which side their bread is buttered - the great economic consumption of the west. Their economic might and survival depends on being a goods manufacturing slave to the west. So they are telling the US we are only your slave bwana, but because we are your biggest slave, please respect us and indulge us. Also do please note that you cannot live without us because we provide the goods that you need.

And they believe that the world has become so dependent on them for this manufacturing base that they can use that as a leverage to assert power over lesser countries. They hope that the US will turn a blind eye to the biggest slave that they so desperately need. Sadly so, in their mind it is an equal arrangement between the US and China.

In their point of view, it is only natural that they assert power over lesser countries, because to be a world slave superpower, they need access to natural resources, which are in "disputed areas". As the biggest slave to the world economy, they have power over the lesser countries to take their territories and take control over their natural resources. All this is only to serve bwana so the US should understand.

Funnily enough, they are also seeking to couch this in their own ideology, which is itself deeply conflicted. While they call US a greedy capitalist power, and China a benign power with communist principles, it is the CCP which has created economic conclaves of slave labour to enrich itself and the party's honchos.

What they have missed out is that while the Western system is quite flawed, Socialism with Chinese Characteristics (or "Xi Jinping Bipolar Thought") is actually self-contradictory and bordering on the bipolar. Indeed signs of narcissism and self-destruction are only too evident.

In short, to use the Chinese' own sometimes pedantic words, they must introspect on their mistakes and correct themselves to reflect the global consensus and get back to the right path of being just a global manufacturing cog in the wheel and not harbour imperial and expansionist visions, thinking that the world will turn a blind eye to their idiotic behaviour.
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Gravitas report on Food Crisis in China!!!
https://youtu.be/VweUFkwNQt4
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https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-ne ... LUBQL.html
Flurry of India-China diplomatic activity in Beijing amid talks of dialogue deadlock
The Indian embassy has not shared details about either of the two meetings – or for that matter why they were held as both the Communist party hierarchy as well as the Chinese government are aware of New Delhi’s stance on the border.
Sutirtho Patranobis, Aug 14, 2020
Hindustan Times, Beijing

The Indian envoy to China Vikram Misri on Friday shared India’s views on the situation on the Sino-India border in eastern Ladakh with a senior officer of the Central Military Commission (CMC) as part of New Delhi’s ongoing efforts to reach out to different sections of the Chinese government to find a way to resolve the crisis. The CMC, which is headed by President Xi Jinping, is overall in-charge of the administration of China’s armed forces.
Misri met Major General Ci Guowei, director of CMC’s office of international military cooperation and “briefed him on India’s stance of vis-à-vis the situation on the borders in eastern Ladakh UT (union territory),” the Indian embassy tweeted Friday afternoon.
No other detail of the meeting was available.
Misri’s Friday meeting with Ci comes two days after he met Liu Jianchao, who is the deputy director of the Communist Party of China’s (CPC) central committee’s foreign affairs commission office. The two meetings held in Beijing this week comes amid several rounds of diplomatic and military negotiations that have been held since June to de-escalate the situation along the line of actual control (LAC) in eastern Ladakh.
The Indian embassy has not shared details about either of the two meetings – or for that matter why they were held as both the Communist party hierarchy as well as the Chinese government are aware of New Delhi’s stance on the border. The Chinese side too has been silent about the meetings
At the top of both hierarchies -- of the CPC and government -- is President Xi Jinping, who is the general secretary of the CPC, and chair of the CMC.
In 2016, Xi took on a new military title as the commander in chief of the military’s Joint Operations Command Centre.
It was not immediately clear if new developments at the LAC led to the two quick meetings in Beijing or whether no progress in the diplomatic and military talks held so far led to them.
The increase in Sino-India diplomatic activity in Beijing could also be seen in the backdrop of reports from India, which say that the disengagement process between the troops of the two countries is not progressing as expected with People’s Liberation of Army (PLA) troops not pulling back at certain friction points in the region.
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The Indian envoy to China Vikram Misri on Friday shared India’s views on the situation on the Sino-India border in eastern Ladakh with a senior officer of the Central Military Commission (CMC) as part of New Delhi’s ongoing efforts to reach out to different sections of the Chinese government to find a way to resolve the crisis.
Is the China ambassador in Delhi also sharing "China's views on the situation on the Sino-India border with a senior minister of the Indian Government as part of China's ongoing efforts to reach out to different sections of the indian government to find a way to resolve the crisis"? Or does this bug of pleading and clarifying only infect indians?
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^^ He's asking India to punish the soldiers responsible for inflaming passions and causing military casualties (on themselves?) in Galwan.
Sun Weidong, Chinese ambassador to India, has urged the Narendra Modi government to 'conduct a thorough investigation, hold the violators accountable, strictly discipline the frontline troops, and immediately stop all provocative acts to ensure such incidents will not occur again.'

https://www.news18.com/news/india/disci ... 85561.html
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I don't think diplomacy should get such a bad rep. It is essential and yes it involves talking in a specific non-confrontational way. Grovelling is not the right term for it, I'm pretty sure he's offering a rollback of economic actions against China in return for restoration of the status in April. No matter how good at grovelling someone might be, I think it's clear to everyone, including Indian diplomats, that it won't get China to withdraw. So I doubt they're grovelling. China is on its "wolf warrior diplomacy" trip which is already getting pushback. Why not talk softly while carrying a big gun?
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It would be a mistake to offer to roll back economic measures in return for status quo. The Chinis initiated it, they need to go back.

We know the Chinis won't leave, but we should keep asking the Chinis. I don't want the Chinis to leave.

As long as they are sitting there, it is quite useful for us.
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For India, backing off would also mean devaluation in international circles. If Biden takes over in US, then India would be looking at the same thing again except this time chinese would have retooled with pukes in the equation. No need to waste resources spent so far when the same situation stares at you in near future. Need to cut losses and walk on new path. No other time to walk new path than now as the chinese virus has already caused enough economic damage and lowered the bar to pull this trigger. It's not only the border. chinese have taken many steps to destabilize the whole India. Who's going to respect India if India after knowing all the facts resorts back to chinese servitude? All sorts of things from chinese havala to chinese gambling rings are being brought to light. Chinese have penetrated all over India and that needs to be dealt with. Chinese need to be new sworn in enemy of every Indian moving forward.
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https://youtu.be/gbK4SmIzMAU
Very interesting summary of Chinese intelligence gathering capabilities.
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nam wrote:It would be a mistake to offer to roll back economic measures in return for status quo. The Chinis initiated it, they need to go back.

We know the Chinis won't leave, but we should keep asking the Chinis. I don't want the Chinis to leave.

As long as they are sitting there, it is quite useful for us.

EXCELLENT!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc_LODKvQVI
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Kati wrote:State Department to Require Chinese ‘Confucius Institutes’ to Register as Foreign Agents: Report
Zachary Evans
August 12, 2020, 5:35 PM CDT

The U.S. State Department could move as early as Thursday to announce that Chinese “Confucius institutes” will be required to register as foreign agents, Bloomberg reported.

Confucius institutes are Chinese government-funded centers on college campuses in the U.S. and throughout the world, whose stated aim is to promote knowledge of Chinese language and culture. However, U.S. agencies and elected officials have warned that the institutes serve as propaganda centers used by China to project soft power abroad.

The State Department’s reported decision would label the institutes as “substantially owned or effectively controlled” by a foreign entity. Earlier this year, the State Department applied the same designation to various Chinese state media outlets, including the People’s Daily, Xinhua News Agency, and China Global Television Network.
They did not see this coming sooner!!
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I'm sure that at least one person would have warned about china but......
China wields coronavirus to nationalize American-owned carmaker
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/chi ... ar-company
China enticed an American entrepreneur with the opportunity of helping build a cutting-edge automobile company in the world’s largest car market, then used the uncertainty cast by COVID-19 to steal his intellectual property, the businessman says.

Steve Saleen, founder of specialty high-performance sports car manufacturer Saleen Automotive, and his partner Charles Wang, a Chinese immigrant and former attorney at a New York law firm, were approached in late 2015 about forming a joint venture with the city of Rugao to manufacture automobiles.

The deal “offered, I thought, from my standpoint, a great opportunity to help build a global company,” Saleen told FOX Business.

The agreement that was reached called for Saleen to contribute his brand and trademarks, designs for three engineered vehicles and experience, know-how and technology in manufacturing automobiles, he said. Those contributions were valued at $800 million.

Wang, who helped structure the deal, would serve as the company’s chief executive officer.
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Hyderabad: Chinese Man Arrested For Running Rs 1,100 Crore Illegal Gambling Racket For China Based Company
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/hyderabad ... ed-company
A Chinese man has been arrested for running a Rs 1,100 crore illegal gambling racket in India for a China based company, Times of India has reported.

The arrest was made by the Hyderabad police in Delhi where the Chinese man was nabbed along with three of his Indian associates following a complaint by two Hyderabad men who lost Rs 1.64 lakh and Rs 97,000 while gambling online.
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Public Toilet Erected on Former Site of Razed Xinjiang Village Mosque I wonder if the Pukis will find this offensive?
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The Chinese and pakis are united in their hate for India and Indians. India needs to be prepared for a two front war when Biden “Hilal-e-Pakistan” recipient becomes president of US. Look the other way to Chinese incursions and resume $1.5 billion/year aid.
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Tantrums of "superpower"
Text editor Notepad++ banned in China after ‘Stand with Hong Kong’ update
https://techcrunch.com/2020/08/17/notep ... -in-china/
The website of Notepad++ is banned in China as of Monday, “obviously due to” its release of editions named “Free Uyghur” and “Stand with Hong Kong,” the source code and text editor announced on Twitter.

First released in 2003 by France-based developer Don Ho, free-to-use Notepad++ operates on Windows and supports some 90 languages. In his release notices for the two editions, Ho openly voiced his concerns over “human rights” conditions, respectively in the Xinjiang autonomous region and Hong Kong.

Tests by TechCrunch found that the Notepad++ ban only applies to its Download page — which showcases the special editions and thus politically sensitive language — when one tries to reach it from Chinese browsers developed by Tencent (QQ Browser and WeChat’s built-in browser), Alibaba (UC Browser), 360 and Sogou. These services flag the page as containing content “prohibited” by local regulators.
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So Ujghur, Tibet and Hongkong are in rebellion against China. What are the pros and cons of encouraging these areas in their fight for freedom against Cheenis? Should India provide support to them?
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Tibetans are in the most favorable position to wage a guerrilla war. It has the most inhospitable environment where only those who are born and bought up there can survive with any degree of comfort. If they start an armed rebellion, china has to deploy a lot more of their little princes in that hostile conditions with the added bonus of the enemy trying to kill you.
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Vivek K wrote:So Ujghur, Tibet and Hongkong are in rebellion against China. What are the pros and cons of encouraging these areas in their fight for freedom against Cheenis? Should India provide support to them?
Tibet, for sure, is a core Indian concern. Not just as a card to play against China, but due to our old civilisational links with Tibet. Tibet is similar to Nepal, as it was before the recent flare ups-a sister civilisation that should be India's core concern, just as say Ladakh or Sikkim is a core concern. BTW, there are lakhs of Tibetan+its dialect speakers in India in Ladakh, Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh, outside even the Tibetan exiles. As someone who has been studying the Tibetan language and culture for the last two-three years, I can easily say that we have a greater claim to Tibet than China does.

As for waging a guerilla war in Tibet, well, it is possible, I suppose since the best approaches into Tibet are still from India, and not from China.

Uighurs are going to bite our hand as soon as they get freedom, just as Bangladesh did. Not sure we should support them in any way. No idea about Hong Kong, though Hong Kong would probably be the most painful for the Chinese.
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Hanumaduji, Unfortunately,Tibetans are led by the Dalai Lama, who is considered to be the reincarnation of Avalokiteshvara, the Bodhisattva of Compassion. The Dalai Lama can not endorse violence, as he personifies compassion. I have great respect for him and his non-violence. But he makes a poor war leader and can not set a warrior type of example. Gandhian non-violence fails against the barbaric Chinese hordes. This is of course just my personal opinion of a great leader and thinker.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/17/us/p ... -kong.html
U.S. Tries to Bolster Taiwan’s Status, Short of Recognizing Sovereignty
President Trump prefers a robust relationship with authoritarian China to one with democratic Taiwan. But other American officials aim to strengthen U.S.-Taiwan ties.
By Edward Wong, Aug. 17, 2020

WASHINGTON — A visit to Taiwan by an American cabinet secretary. A sale of advanced torpedoes. Talk of starting negotiations over a potential trade agreement.
The Trump administration has taken action in recent weeks to strengthen United States relations with the democratic island of Taiwan and bolster its international standing. The efforts are aimed at highlighting a thriving democracy in Asia and countering China’s attempts to weaken the global diplomatic status of Taiwan, which Beijing claims as its territory.
That feeds into a bigger campaign by national security officials: to set the United States on a long-term course of competition and confrontation with China that any American president, Democratic or Republican, will find difficult to veer away from in the future.
“Taiwan is the most important thing from a military and credibility point of view,” said Elbridge A. Colby, the former deputy assistant secretary of defense for strategy and force development. Mr. Colby wrote the Trump administration’s national defense strategy, which emphasizes competition with China and Russia.
Taiwan has been a fraught issue between Washington and Beijing for seven decades, and it is re-emerging as a potential focal point of tensions, as United States national security officials press their campaign against China. The officials also see bolstering Taiwan in a more urgent light given the crackdown on civil liberties in Hong Kong by Xi Jinping, the leader of the Chinese Communist Party.
President Trump himself admires Mr. Xi and is “particularly dyspeptic about Taiwan,” once comparing it to the tip of a Sharpie marker and China to the Resolute desk, John R. Bolton, the former national security adviser, wrote in his new book. And the president is willing to sacrifice U.S. support for the democratic government for trade relations with China, he added. But campaign strategists have told Mr. Trump that he needs to appear tough on China for re-election purposes, giving pro-Taiwan U.S. officials an opening.
President Richard M. Nixon began a process of diplomatic opening in 1971 with Communist-ruled China to get Mao Zedong’s help in countering the Soviet Union. The United States established diplomatic ties with China in 1979 and broke off formal relations with Taiwan, which had been a sanctuary for the Kuomintang, or Nationalists, since their loss in the Chinese civil war 30 years earlier. Every U.S. administration has tried to maintain an ambiguous position on Taiwan based on the “One China” policy.
The ambiguity has helped maintain stability across the Taiwan Strait, one of the most militarized areas in the world. But as China has grown stronger and more assertive, and as Mr. Trump has begun dismantling international commitments under his “America First” foreign policy, some U.S. officials and Washington policy experts say the United States’s traditional approach to Taiwan helps hard-liners in Beijing and increases China’s threat to the island’s 24 million people.
Those officials, as well as Republican and Democratic lawmakers, aim to do as much as possible to show explicit U.S. support for Taiwan. They want to send military signals to China and to make relations with Taiwan as close to nation-to-nation as possible, short of recognizing sovereignty. Though Mr. Bolton openly advocates full diplomatic relations, many U.S. officials, including even some China hawks, have been more reluctant, fearful that such a move would mean a complete break with Beijing.
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