Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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On Twitter there is a notion that the Chinese were expected to play Sullivan against Blinken. As the story goes, "Biden" decided to send both


White House expects a tough first meeting with China in Alaska
Secretary of State Tony Blinken and national security adviser Jake Sullivan will take a "tough-minded" approach to their first meeting with senior Chinese officials and raise several of the most sensitive issues in the relationship, senior administration officials told reporters on Tuesday night.

Why it matters: President Biden's two top foreign policy aides will meet face-to-face in Alaska on Thursday with Foreign Minister Wang Yi and China's top diplomat, Yang Jiechi. A senior official says one goal of the meeting is to dispel any notion in Beijing that Biden will take a softer line on China behind closed doors than he has thus far in public.

Blinken and Sullivan will raise China's crackdown in Hong Kong, alleged genocide in Xinjiang, aggression toward Hong Kong, "economic coercion" of U.S. allies and cyberattacks on the U.S., a senior official said on a briefing call.

The official noted that before meeting with China, the Biden administration wanted to coordinate with allies (Blinken will be returning from stops in South Korea and Japan) and make progress domestically "to strengthen our hand."

The administration also said it was important to hold the first meeting on U.S. soil and to have both Blinken and Sullivan in the room.
What they're saying: "We've seen a track record from China in the past of attempting to play favorites within an administration and in particular to play the secretary of State and national security adviser off each other," the senior official said.

With Blinken and Sullivan both attending, the official said, the message is that "the games that China has played in the past to divide us or attempt to divide us are simply not going to work here."

The official noted that China has been calling for a new tone in the relationship following the departure of Donald Trump, but said the U.S. was seeking "behavioral change" from Beijing, not just warmer rhetoric.

What to watch: The White House isn't expecting any breakthroughs after just "a few hours" of discussions in Alaska, and doesn't expect an agreement or joint statement to emerge. It also sees this meeting as a one-off, rather than the start of a diplomatic process.

“We don’t want them to be operating under any illusions about our tough-minded approach to their very problematic behavior, and at the same time it’s an opportunity for our guys to hear from them," a senior official on the call said.
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^^^They'll both sell out in accordance with policy. The meeting is taking place after the 2+2 dialog when Blinken is on his way home. Would it not be better to coordinate after discussion in Washington? This is more of a debriefing for the Chinese.
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^^^^^

Pls read my response in the Indo-US thread and let me know if there are any further questions
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How much easier can he go? Any other country unleashing a WMD on the continental US would have been invaded or nuked, likely both.
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vera_k wrote:
How much easier can he go? Any other country unleashing a WMD on the continental US would have been invaded or nuked, likely both.
Wow didn't realize he was still alive ...He looks old even in Nixon era pictures
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Secure Nepal border? How many pakistani connections with Nepal in the past few decades?
West Bengal: Chinese nationals caught with fake Aadhaar card while boarding a flight from Bagdogra airport, had earlier visited Pakistan
https://www.opindia.com/2021/03/chinese ... st-bengal/
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Initial investigation reveal that they entered India through Nepal border at Panitanki in North Bengal. As per their passports, they had visited Pakistan in 2018 and 2019. They exited Nepal on January 13, 2021 and were since staying in India even after their visa expired. The hotel they checked into in Siliguri was booked in the name of two Nepali nationals who were travelling with them. However, the Nepali nationals have since left for their country.
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The nub of the article was Kissinger nominating himself as the intermediary between US and China.

This one man probably did more harm, singlehandedly, to the cause of civilization and humanity than virtually anyone else in the post-WWII era.
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Kissinger retains his position even now as the go-to guy for all US govts. since the seventies -- there are several videos of CCP guys saying (in chinese to a chinese audience) that until Trump, the CCP had a direct line to the very core of US government, and the CCP used it to good effect during the Hainan incident (2001).

He is being taken completely seriously even now by people in the current regime, and I would not believe all the overt pronouncements about Biden admin getting tough on China and what not -- there will be some sort of a reset in relations, but Kissinger's word of warning will be taken very seriously indeed. Even the likes of Edward Luttwak admit as such, and Luttwak is an insider even if he is a retired cattle rancher now.
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KLNMurthy wrote:
This one man probably did more harm, singlehandedly, to the cause of civilization and humanity than virtually anyone else in the post-WWII era.
i dont think its going to be for very long
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IMHO, the focus in that article is:
Yet he persists, and now offers the same, apparently unsolicited, advice to President-elect Joe Biden.
He has been sidelined. Already.

Neither the 44 year old NSA (Sullivan) or the 58 year old SecState (Blinken) really care for Henry.

Besides the image of China, in the US, has been damaged: Most Americans Support Tough Stance Toward China on Human Rights, Economic Issues

Finally, DoD + MIC have started gearing up. DoD is clear and vocal about China being the belligerent. SD, in Tokyo, supported DoD.

Trump removed Henry Kissinger (and Madeleine Albright) from the Defense Advisory Board. Biden has made no attempt to bring him back. RIP (IMHO)
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It is a good thing if Kissinger is being sidelined, which is not surprising, given China's open challenge to the US.

Reality seems to have a way of forcing governments and politicians change course, which they otherwise wouldn't. From the start of 2019, the views of quite a few pro-china people in the US have changed against it, but economic pipelines have their own reality. It is going to take some time for companies to move to alternatives suppliers, if they even want to in the first place.

IMO, etc.
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China's on a mission to dominate space internet

Nations like India/US/etc need to block them. Stop sales of any land based systems
China is ramping up plans for government-sponsored satellites to beam internet from space, taking on U.S. rivals like SpaceX and Amazon in the race to own the next frontier of connectivity.

Why it matters: There's growing concern that China is trying to enter the space internet market with the same strategy it used on earth with Huawei and 5G — use a state-backed company to undercut competitors and spread global influence.

What's happening: China is attempting to launch its own network to rival global competitors.

* China's "StarNet" would launch 10,000 satellites in the next 5 to 10 years, according to an Asia Times report that cites a publication run by the official China News Service.
* China intends to build a space infrastructure system for communications, navigation and remote sensing with global coverage as part of its latest five-year plan.

The big picture: Faster and cheaper technology has made satellite networks a more viable option for transmitting broadband.

* There's a huge demand for the service with 4 billion people worldwide lacking broadband access, many of them in hard-to-serve areas, spurring global interest in beaming internet from space.
* SpaceX is leading the way with its Starlink service, while Amazon's Project Kuiper also is working on a constellation of broadband satellites.
* The U.K. government is backing satellite broadband provider OneWeb and the European Union has announced plans for its own constellation.

What they're saying: "All these countries are doing this because it’s like the wide open frontiers of the 1800s, and the ideas of how best to exploit it are virtually unlimited at this point," said former FCC Commissioner Rob McDowell, who now represents clients in the industry.

* China's satellite network will be an extension of its telecommunications infrastructure, said Blaine Curcio, founder of Orbital Gateway Consulting who tracks China's space industry. "It's another tool in the toolbox of China building out its version of the splinter-net."

Flashback: Chinese telecommunications company Huawei became a global power player by providing low-cost equipment in other countries, prompting national security concerns in the U.S. over the Chinese government's potential access to communications data.

* "The United States companies have a lead in terms of deploying systems, but there's an expectation that the Chinese will deploy systems not seeking to provide service in China, but they're seeking to expand their sphere of influence," Satellite Industry Association President Tom Stroup told Axios. "And just as they did with Huawei equipment, there's the potential to do the same thing with satellite."

Our thought bubble: Axios China expert Bethany Allen-Ebrahimian notes that China could potentially use such a satellite network for mass data collection and surveillance of internet traffic.

What to watch: China is behind on satellite broadband, but if the Chinese deploy the Huawei playbook of offering cheaper and reliable equipment abroad, the U.S. will need an answer, notes Ainikki Riikonen, a research assistant for the Technology and National Security Program at the Center for New American Security.

* "It would have huge geopolitical benefits for China, especially if they can increase other countries' reliance on it to do installation and upkeep of information networks," Riikonen told Axios.
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Good for us. The more CCP tries to go gun-ho, more good for us. Prevents both US admin and GoI from brushing China issues under the carpet.
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The chinese reference to the US not speaking from a position of strength is a calculated insult, maybe pointing to the amount of US debts the chinese are holding or some other obvious leverage (from chinese POV).
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I doubt it is the debt. It may be that US is on the backfoot due to Covid. China loves to provoke, and the best way to deal with them is to not get provoked. Their so-called "diplomatic" talk is basically childish taunting. It is cheap and sometimes it works. Pretty much that's the way China exercises its foreign policy - use cheap tools, keep using them, and even if it works once in a thousand times, it may be worth it. Salami slicing is one such example.
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Not saying the Chinese are being smart here,but this is along the same lines as doing a missile test or LAC conflict while India-China diplomatic events are taking place like PM visits.
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US debts are in dollars. They can print more any time they want. Or even refuse to pay back.

What will China do? Stop sending goods to US?

US & India trade make up 95% of Chinese trade surplus of 400 to 450 odd billion. Chinese economy hinges on access to US, Europe and Indian market... :roll:
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Igorr wrote:
kit wrote:
Do you think China would sit by watching from the sidelines in the next India Pak war ?
If China perceives India as a military ally of the United States, then I think it will hardly sit and watch. Otherwise see the history of the war in Kargil.
China gave nuclear weapons to Pakistan far before India-US ties ever took off. Irrespective of what India does or does not do, China sees India as a threat, and as they showed in 1962, they cannot stand a neighbour which is getting powerful or thinks independently in any shape or form.

It is in India's interest to collaborate with the US to cut China down to size.

It is in Russia's strategic interest to have a weaker PRC too. Otherwise you can kiss goodbye to your far east as an expansionist PRC turns its eyes towards it, and bribes, coerces your leadership to get what it wants. Putin won't be around forever.
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https://apnews.com/article/beijing-hong ... 40ccb7b123
US sanctions 24 China and Hong Kong officials ahead of talks
By ZEN SOO, March 17, 2021

HONG KONG (AP) — The U.S. sanctioned an additional 24 Chinese and Hong Kong officials over Beijing’s ongoing crackdown on political freedoms in the semi-autonomous city, just ahead of the Biden administration’s first face-to-face talks with China.
The step reflects Washington’s “deep concern” about the erosion of Hong Kong’s autonomy following changes to its election system endorsed by China’s ceremonial legislature last week, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said in a statement Wednesday.
Foreign financial institutions that deal with the 24 officials would be subject to U.S. sanctions, the State Department said.
The planned changes to Hong Kong’s electoral law give a pro-Beijing committee power to appoint more of Hong Kong’s lawmakers. The move will reduce the proportion of those directly elected and ensures that only those determined to be truly loyal to Beijing are allowed to run for office — effectively shutting opposition figures out of the political process.
The U.S. announcement was made during a visit by Blinken and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin to Japan and South Korea, both of which are wary of China’s growing economic, military and political heft.
The imposition of new sanctions “fully exposes the U.S. side’s sinister intention to interfere in China’s internal affairs, disrupt Hong Kong and obstruct China’s stability and development,” Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian told reporters at a daily briefing Wednesday.
“China will take strong measures as appropriate to resolutely defend national sovereignty, security and development interests,” Zhao said.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-c ... SKBN2B91DC
EU envoys agree first China sanctions in three decades
By Robin Emmott, March 17, 2021

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Union agreed on Wednesday to blacklist Chinese officials for human rights abuses, two diplomats said, the first sanctions against Beijing since an EU arms embargo in 1989 following the Tiananmen Square crackdown.
EU ambassadors approved the travel bans and asset freezes on four Chinese individuals and one entity, whose names will not be made public until formal approval by EU foreign ministers on March 22, as part of a new and wider rights sanctions list.
While the sanctions are mainly symbolic, the adoption marks a significant hardening in the EU’s policy towards China, which Brussels long regarded as a benign trading partner but now views as a systematic abuser of basic rights and freedoms.
The 1989 EU arms embargo on China, its second-largest trade partner, is still in place.
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x posted from the terroristan thread


Wow, the often ignored paki navy and the paki coast guard seem to be hitting back, both at the paki army and the Cabinet Committee on CPEC

does bajwa have the tomatoes to muscle both, the paki navy, and paki coast guard, out of the disputed zone and still keep everyone concerned reasonably happy.

the crore commanders may have to part with a very considerable part of their loot and perhaps, also cut the navy and coast guard in on all future collections.


is it a mutiny in the making, absolutely the very last thing that the hans and bajwa need right now.

Surely there are many in the paki army itself who are likely objecting to the same shameful sellout to the hans and they may well go on to precipitate a crisis, leaving the hans and the paki army staring at a disastrous stalemate of the kind never before seen in pukiland in it's 70 odd years' history




Pro-US Pak GHQ Navy officers delay CPEC projects, China livid


Pro-US Pak GHQ Navy officers delay CPEC projects, China livid

Abhinandan Mishra
March 20, 2021,


This has brought to the fore the secretly discussed issue of surrender of Pakistan’s autonomy to China by both the civilian government and GHQ, Rawalpindi.


New Delhi: In what is being seen as a stand taken by the pro-American group in the Pakistan military against the “surrender” of the country’s strategic interest to China, Pakistan Navy and Pakistan Coast Guard have refused to vacate land that has been promised to Chinese companies by Pakistan’s civilian authorities and generals of GHQ, Rawalpindi for CPEC projects.

This has brought to the fore the well-hidden but secretly discussed issue among the members of the Pakistan military over what they call the “surrender” of Pakistan’s autonomy to China by both the civilian government and GHQ, Rawalpindi.

This refusal by the Pakistan Navy and the Coast Guard to vacate land in the Gwadar area and hand it over to Chinese companies that are stationed there for projects under the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), has slowed down the progress of work “considerably”. The chunk of this land that the two wings of the Pakistan military are refusing to vacate is for the construction of Gwadar free zone and Gwadar Eastbay Expressway that are considered to be the most important parts of the entire projects under CPEC.

This stand by the Pakistan Navy, which is led by Chief of Naval Staff, Admiral Muhammad Amjad Khan Niazi, was raised by the Chinese officials with the 12 members of the Cabinet Committee on CPEC that had met last month. These 12-member committee is headed by Pakistan’s Minister of Planning, Development and Reform and includes ministers who head Communication, Foreign Affairs, Interior, Law and Justice, Maritime Affairs, Petroleum, Power, Railways and adviser to the Pakistan Prime Minister on Finance, Commerce and Institutional Reforms.

Informed sources said that the total area of the land is around 116 acres, including 72 acres that are in the possession of the Pakistan Navy, while the rest 44 acres are with the Coast Guard. The refusal to hand over the land has led to a situation of confrontation between the Chinese companies on the one side and the GHQ, Rawalpindi on the other, with the civilian authorities including the empowered committee of CPEC and the concerned ministers facing outbursts from both sides.

In the deliberations, which were the second such deliberations on the same issue that were held within 20 days, the Chinese companies expressed their anger over the delay in handing over the land. They also told the Cabinet Committee that it was “surprising” that the Navy and the Coast Guard, which is headed by Brigadier Saqib Qamar, were ignoring even explicit and repeated orders of the empowered committee and the concerned Minister of Defence and Minister of Interior.


The 44 acres that the Pakistan Coast Guard occupies have been earmarked for developing the strategic Eastbay Expressway project which will connect Gwadar port with the Makran coastal highway.

According to testimonies shared in the deliberation, the Coast Guard received compensation for vacating the land but instead of handing it over to the Chinese officials, it started constructing new buildings without even taking the permission of the Minister of Maritime Affairs.

One of the members of the Cabinet Committee on CPEC, who was present during the deliberations, said that the Coast Guard officials were told by the Prime Minister’s Office as well to vacate the land but even then they refused to do so.

Incidentally, the fencing in and around Gwadar city, which had started being put up in the first week of December last year, as reported by this newspaper in its 19 December edition (Pak turning Gwadar into open prison on China’s order) has been stopped after stiff resistance from the local Baloch population. This too has annoyed the Chinese companies that are demanding that the city should be fenced so that Baloch nationalist fighters do not “disrupt” the CPEC projects.
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Meantime in South China sea ...!!!

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 617974.cms

Authorities said the Philippines coast guard had reported that about 220 vessels, believed to be manned by Chinese maritime militia personnel, were seen moored at the Whitsun Reef, which Manila calls the Julian Felipe Reef, on March 7
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Missiles, vaccines and China bring the Philippines and India closer - South China Morning Post
The Philippines and India , which share concerns about China’s territorial assertiveness, are drawing closer together on the back of two very different means of defence: missiles and Covid-19 vaccines.

On March 2, Manila signed an agreement with New Delhi to buy the Indian-made BrahMos PJ-10, the world’s fastest cruise missile, which it plans to use to defend its coastal areas in the face of Chinese encroachment. In recent weeks, Shambhu Kumaran, New Delhi’s ambassador to the Philippines, said talks were ongoing for Manila to secure 8 million doses of the Covaxin vaccine developed by India’s Bharat Biotech, while Philippine “vaccine tsar” Carlito Galvez Jnr announced that the country had secured 30 million doses of Covovax after he had made a trip to India to finalise a supply deal.

Galvez said the Covovax vaccine – which is developed by US company Novovax and manufactured by the Serum Institute of India (SII) – would arrive in the third or fourth quarter of this year. The purchases will be a shot in the arm for the Philippine government’s slow-going vaccination programme, which aims to inoculate at least 70 million Filipinos within 12 months.

While health secretary Francisco Duque III on Monday said the country had to vaccinate 450,000 people a day to hit that target, so far only 215,997 Filipinos – all health workers – have been inoculated, according to local media reports. According to GMA News, as of March 15 the Philippines had only acquired 1.13 million doses donated by China and the Covax Facility, an international effort to ensure fair and equitable access to vaccines.

Kishore Hemlani – the founder of Faberco, SII’s partner in the Philippines – earlier this year called the Covovax deal “a significant milestone in relations between India and the Philippines”.

Although the two countries have maintained diplomatic relations since 1949, ties have never been very close – but China and the pandemic are changing that.

Darshana Baruah, associate fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, points out that India launched its “Look East” policy in 1991 – New Delhi’s attempt to strengthen ties with the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean) – and revised it to “Act East” in 2014 under the Modi administration. “Prior to this, engagements were not as streamlined,” she said.

Derek Grossman, senior defence analyst at the RAND Corporation think tank, said India was increasingly concerned about China’s rising assertiveness across the Indo-Pacific region. “For its part, the Philippines is also attempting to push back on Chinese encroachment into its exclusive economic zone, even though President Rodrigo Duterte is pro-Beijing and he has downplayed the challenges there,” he said.

A Philippine official who has dealt with India, speaking on condition of anonymity, noted how ties with New Delhi had intensified under Duterte. “In particular, 2017 was marked by unprecedented high-level exchanges culminating in the visit of Prime Minister Narendra Modi to Manila, followed by a visit to India by President Duterte in 2018.”

The official said that during Modi’s visit, “all aspects of the bilateral relationship were discussed, followed by the signing of several memorandums of understanding, including one on defence industry and logistics cooperation”.

Grossman told This Week in Asia that “the guiding light of India-Philippines cooperation these days is growing concern over China’s rising assertiveness, and what it means for maintaining a liberal rules-based international order and norms of behaviour”.

A senior Philippine official, who also spoke on condition of anonymity, said India and the Philippines had several things in common: “Democratic politics, western colonial experience, the English [language], and sovereignty disputes with China.” “India has a ‘Look East’ strategy of strengthening ties with countries in East and Southeast Asia, it favours freedom of international navigation in the South China Sea
and occasionally sends its naval ships there,” he said.


Baruah of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace also noted how New Delhi had backed Manila in its South China territorial dispute with Beijing. “India made a statement supporting the 2016 United Nations tribunal decision favouring the Philippines,” she said, going so far as to “refer to the disputed areas as the ‘West Phililppine Sea’ – the term used by Manila”.

Now, Baruah said, “most of the ties between the Philippines and India are focused on capacity building and training efforts, with an emphasis on maritime security”.

When asked what India has to offer the Philippines, the senior official replied: “Diplomatic support – India has a wide network among members of the non-aligned movement and the British Commonwealth, and it is also part of the Quad with the US, Japan and Australia, which are all concerned about China’s assertive behaviour.”

He also pointed out that closer ties would mean access to India’s developed pharmaceutical industry, which produces generic drugs in large quantities. Ambassador Kumaran on March 11 said India was the Philippines’ largest source of pharmaceuticals.

In military terms, Baruah said “the BrahMos deal will considerably strengthen the military partnership, with Manila acquiring a missile system and India making its first export of the cruise missile”.

The Philippine military was supposed to acquire the missile last year, but the allotted funds had to be diverted to deal with the pandemic. New Delhi is reported to have helped Manila finance the purchase with a soft loan of US$100 million.

“BrahMos makes a lot of sense because it is a relatively cheap and effective means of warding off Chinese aggression against the Philippines,” said defence analyst Grossman. “Manila is likely to look into additional forms of asymmetrical warfare to complicate Chinese plans in the region.”

While the senior official acknowledged that the missiles would not “significantly alter the balance of military power”, he said they were “a powerful symbol of Philippine efforts to boost its deterrence capability” that could “improve our defence posture and deter somewhat any potential external threat”.

“The prospects of closer political and economic ties [with India] are quite promising,” he said. “As for military ties, there is a lot of room for defence cooperation, though neither side likely will push for a defence alliance.”

But Grossman said he did not think relations would go very far.

“I’m quite sceptical that the two countries will make many inroads. On the Indian side, the Philippines has little to offer in terms of military capabilities and strategy against China. Air and naval platforms operated by the Philippine Armed Forces are in desperate need of modernisation, and frankly India can’t do it alone,” he said.

“Other Southeast Asian nations, such as Vietnam and Indonesia, are much further along; in addition, their militaries are more compatible with India’s because of their reliance on ex-Soviet and Russian systems. The Philippines has mostly American-made systems.”

Grossman also said Duterte was “not willing to push the envelope too far with Beijing, so until he leaves office [at the end of his term] in 2022, all bets are off for deep cooperation with any external partner against China”.

According to Baruah, however, “the India-Philippines partnership has great potential and can become an important pillar of India’s growing interests and engagements in Southeast Asia”.

The senior official said China was likely to monitor the development of closer ties between the Philippines and India.

“In particular, it will closely follow if the sale of the BrahMos missiles will push through, and where they will be deployed,” he said. “It’s too early to say how this issue will affect Philippine-China ties.”


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An article in Bloomberg by the noted economic historian Niall Fergusson. Basically he says China is all set to invade Taiwan, pocket TSM, US will be powerless to do anything about it. The other SE Asian countries will quietly accept Chinese hegemony. US global prestige nosedives, dollar falls and with it, the international reserve currency status and the whole works.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... can-empire
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Apparently, CCP issued a directive to its citizens to not discuss military matters in any forums...
https://www.flightglobal.com/opinion/on ... 27.article

One of the forums I was lurking in is shutting down...
It seems every Chinese military forum open for civilians is closing down...
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LakshmanPST wrote:Apparently, CCP issued a directive to its citizens to not discuss military matters in any forums...
https://www.flightglobal.com/opinion/on ... 27.article
and
nandakumar wrote: China is all set to invade Taiwan, pocket TSM
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... can-empire
Preventing leaks is all I can say. Maybe the invasion of Taiwan is a reality.
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LakshmanPST wrote:Apparently, CCP issued a directive to its citizens to not discuss military matters in any forums...
https://www.flightglobal.com/opinion/on ... 27.article

One of the forums I was lurking in is shutting down...
It seems every Chinese military forum open for civilians is closing down...
on a related note:
China Makes It A Crime To Question Military Casualties On The Internet
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/22/97935000 ... e-internet
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https://www.npr.org/2021/03/22/97935000 ... e-internet

China Makes It A Crime To Question Military Casualties On The Internet
. When China acknowledged this year that four of its soldiers had died fighting Indian forces on the two countries' disputed mountain border eight months prior, the irreverent blogger Little Spicy Pen Ball had questions.

"If the four [Chinese] soldiers died trying to rescue their fellow soldiers, then there must have been those who were not successfully rescued," he wrote on Feb. 19 to his 2.5 million followers on Weibo, a Chinese social media site. "This means the fatalities could not have just been four."


The day after, Qiu Ziming, the 38-year-old former newspaper journalist behind the blog, was detained and criminally charged. If convicted, he faces a sentence of up to three years.

"Little Spicy Pen Ball maliciously slandered and degraded the heroes defending our country and the border," according to the annual work report published by the country's chief prosecutor office this month.
Lmao.. Imagine getting so riled up buy a guy who goes by the username" Little Spicy Pen Ball "....

The Maha Vir Chakra and Lt Gen YK Josh's statements meant that China had to declare its own dead and that led to Weibo going crazy over the supposed death toll

Hopefully Streisand Effect takes charge and everyone gets to know how many men Cheen lost.


. Such is the case of Wang Jingyu, 19, who lives in the United States and is now a wanted man in his hometown of Chongqing, China. The authorities accuse him of slandering dead Chinese soldiers after Weibo reported him for a comment questioning the number of border fight casualties.
So even if you're sitting in US, UK, Australia and question the mighty CCP they'll put out an arrest warrant for you and come harrass your local relatives. Such is the fragility of the great Chinese PLA
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Looks like the Chinese are getting ready for casualties in a full blown conflict. Taiwan looks quite likely the next target. The perfidious US with its CAATSA and all will do zilch !
And that will probably give access to that last tech frontier ..chip manufacturing
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https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/2 ... ide-477434

U.S., allies announce sanctions on China over Uyghur ‘genocide’

The Biden administration is working with Canada and Europe to put human rights pressure on Beijing.

The United States and its allies in Canada, Britain and the European Union on Monday announced sanctions on several Chinese officials alleged to have links to what U.S. officials say is a genocidal campaign against Uyghur Muslims.

The international, coordinated sanctions, first reported by POLITICO, drew condemnation and some immediate retaliatory sanctions from Beijing. The moves offered a glimpse into the growing divide between China and the United States and its trans-Atlantic allies, which, like Washington, are increasingly wary of China’s global ambitions and internal repression.

The sanctions are an opportunity for the Biden administration to justify its emphasis on working with allies, one major aspect of its foreign policy that it says distinguishes it from the administration of former President Donald Trump. The sanctions also come after a tense high-level meeting between U.S. and Chinese officials in Alaska.

“Amid growing international condemnation, the [People’s Republic of China] continues to commit genocide and crimes against humanity” in the Xinjiang region, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said in a statement. “The United States reiterates its calls on the PRC to bring an end to the repression of Uyghurs, who are predominantly Muslim, and members of other ethnic and religious minority groups in Xinjiang, including by releasing all those arbitrarily held in internment camps and detention facilities.“

Blinken, who is in Europe this week visiting counterparts, noted that the U.K., Canada and the EU were also imposing various sanctions. “These actions demonstrate our ongoing commitment to working multilaterally to advance respect for human rights and shining a light on those in the PRC government and [Chinese Communist Party] responsible for these atrocities,“ Blinken said.

The U.S. sanctions targeted two individuals: Wang Junzheng, the secretary of the Party Committee of the Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps, and Chen Mingguo, director of the Xinjiang Public Security Bureau.

According to the U.S. Treasury Department, the XPCC is a paramilitary organization that “enhances internal control over the region by advancing China’s vision of economic development in [Xinjiang] that emphasizes subordination to central planning and resource extraction.“

Treasury also added that “Since at least late 2016, repressive tactics have been used by the XPSB against the Uyghurs and members of other ethnic minorities in the region, including mass detentions and surveillance.“

Both the XPSB and the XPCC have already been sanctioned by the United States. Wang and Chen are being sanctioned under the Global Magnitsky Act, which means assets they may have in the U.S. are frozen and Americans cannot do business with them. In future, watch for this Magnitsky Act to be used liberally against Indian ministers and elected officials who are "too unapologetically Hindu for their own good"-- that will be part of progressivism's mandate.

It’s hard to say exactly how much financial damage the new sanctions will do, but given the coordination with Europe, Britain and Canada, it packs a symbolic punch. :roll: The same Canada that was giving the PLA cold-weather combat training to facilitate its aggression against India in the Himalayas.
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In a hypothetical scenario, China can just line up most of its troops and ships close to TW in a nice neat formation and ask their govt will you accede or will you resist .. you have 6 hours... the island is not a medieval fortress so they can enter at will if they want in one area some shock and awe and that's it ... what is Unkil going to do, send CNN :rotfl: ? HK was a test case it is practically taken over, TW can not be far behind ... these days when people are economically well-off they may not be inclined to fight like WW2 but some compromise can be had if their lifestyles can be maintained...don't think Unkil will come in like they did in Korea after WW2 so all China needs is Unkil to have some internal turbulence that prevents any quick response...
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In future, watch for this Magnitsky Act to be used liberally against Indian ministers and elected officials who are "too unapologetically Hindu for their own good"-- that will be part of progressivism's mandate.
+1. Many don't realize the effect Modi's visa denial had on many temple administrators and their eventual move to not associate with anything political. Though in the end for Hindus you get what you appoint as far as this administrators go.
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China's alleged strategy for the 21st century

All of this is pre-COVID and pre-Trump -- looks like China and US were reading from the same page in 2016. COVID has thrown a spanner in the works -- the CCP did not have enough time to put on a good face and revealed China's true face.
Some Chinese commentators believe the hidden message here is that Jin Canrong is suggesting that the CCP corrupt the US politicians with money and women to have them compromised.) Second, we keep it (the US) busy so that it will suffer from depression and want to quit the job itself. Third, we should get ourselves mixed together with the US, so that it can not fight us. We should create such a situation where you have me inside you, and I have you inside me.
Initially our Chinese diplomacy had four pillars: great power diplomacy, neighboring country diplomacy, developing country diplomacy, and multilateral international organization diplomacy.
<snip>
So the US is everywhere in terms of our four diplomatic pillars. But now there is a change after President Xi came to power. President Xi wants to lower the relationship between China and the United States a little bit, and enhance that with the neighboring countries a little bit.
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kit wrote:Looks like the Chinese are getting ready for casualties in a full blown conflict. Taiwan looks quite likely the next target.
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And that will probably give access to that last tech frontier ..chip manufacturing
Very timely. Something is definitely cooking. Following two news items are very much connected to your post. Bit of a stretch at this movement to connect any dauts, but interesting times ahead (< 2025).

Today
Intel is spending $20 billion to build two new chip plants in Arizona

From last year..
Taiwan Semiconductor's $12 billion Arizona investment seen as a 'big deal' in tech world
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Karan M wrote:
Igorr wrote: If China perceives India as a military ally of the United States, then I think it will hardly sit and watch. Otherwise see the history of the war in Kargil.
It is in India's interest to collaborate with the US to cut China down to size.
The first question is: did I understand you correctly, do you really propose that India, in the event of a military conflict between the United States and China, should be involved in the conflict military on the US side?
If yes, then the second question: how do you propose India to act in the event of a military clash between China and Russia? ... the USA with Russia?
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Igorr wrote:
Karan M wrote: It is in India's interest to collaborate with the US to cut China down to size.
The first question is: did I understand you correctly, do you really propose that India, in the event of a military conflict between the United States and China, should be involved in the conflict military on the US side?
If yes, then the second question: how do you propose India to act in the event of a military clash between China and Russia? ... the USA with Russia?
I dont think India will stand aside letting the neighbourhood go to war., it would probably intervene for a peaceful resolution. But if its existence is threatened then the gloves would be off. What you are saying involves a third of entire humanity
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kit wrote: What you are saying involves a third of entire humanity
Agree. But for some reason I think that if India enters a fight with China, the Anglo-Saxons will only be delighted, but Russia will have no time for jokes.
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Igorr wrote:
kit wrote: What you are saying involves a third of entire humanity
Agree. But for some reason I think that if India enters a fight with China, the Anglo-Saxons will only be delighted, but Russia will have no time for jokes.
What I will say India today is not the same as the 60's.. if it needs to fight it will..
All those weapons are not just for display !!
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https://www.rediff.com/news/report/chin ... 210325.htm
China silent on further disengagement at other points
By K J M Varma, March 25, 2021

The Chinese military on Thursday said the situation at eastern Ladakh has "eased distinctly" thanks to the joint efforts with India on the disengagement of troops from the Pangong Lake area but gave no indication about when the pull out will take place from the remaining areas along the Line of Actual Control. As a result of a series of military and diplomatic talks, the two countries had completed withdrawal of troops and weapons from the North and South banks of Pangong Lake last month in line with an agreement on disengagement.
But the disengagement is yet to take place in remaining areas along the LAC.The Indian Army has been pitching for a faster disengagement process in areas like Hot Springs, Gogra and Depsang to bring down tension in the mountainous region. At present, China and India have disengaged front-line troops in the Pangong Lake area and both countries have positively commented on the current moves, Senior Colonel Ren Guoqiang, a spokesperson for China's Ministry of National Defence said at an online media briefing.
"Thanks to the joint efforts made by China and India, the situation in the border area has been eased distinctly," he said.
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