Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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g.sarkar wrote:Dr.Shiv,
If I remember correctly in 1971 war, FM Manekshaw requested permission of the PM to start assembling a group of what he called "Badmash" to go into East Pak and start causing mayhem . He requested funding for this venture. But Mrs. Gandhi shot down this proposal and instead decided to rely on regular military units and the Bahini as scouts showing the way. Our current PM can easily promise money and power to groups of Maldivians causing the present government to fall. The present Maldivian regime is weak and can be over thrown quickly by such covert action.
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I got told of a story of a guy who used to sleep in the day time and in the night time blow up bridges in East Pakistan in '71. This was way before the war.

He is now enjoying his retired life of a former IA soldier by looking after his coconut plantation. :D
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Hari Seldon wrote:PRC meanwhile is out toneuter and defang its taller than ocean ally TSP. Here's a fresh pic showing the cheenis making the Pak PM do a stool test.... the chair (err, stool) they gave him is so luxurious, the chap's impressive girth is half bulging out only...
Terrible !

Also, look at the body language of the TFTA amir-ul-momineen. The guy is holding, for support, on to the side of the chair (or whatever is left thereof after his ample seatside) or at his pajamas (I am not sure) or both and is looking pathetically at his Chinese host who, in the meanwhile, seems to be imperiously demanding some answer to a set of questions he has obviously jotted down on the piece of paper he holds. The amir-ul-momineen is really cowering like a schoolboy in front of a strict headmaster.
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Hari Seldon wrote:PRC meanwhile is out toneuter and defang its taller than ocean ally TSP. Here's a fresh pic showing the cheenis making the Pak PM do a stool test.... the chair (err, stool) they gave him is so luxurious, the chap's impressive girth is half bulging out only...

Image

Lol.
This is incredible. The Chinese fellow was handpicked to give PakiPM a hard time. Abbasi is not a short guy - he is probably 195cm; and the interviewer looks taller. This is typical Chinese intimidation, and the chair is no happenstance. It's a deliberate act to show who's the boss.

See for instance Bo Xilai (tall guy, 190cm) being brought to trial: Image,
and the discussions about it e.g. http://www.businessinsider.com/bo-xilai ... 13-8/?IR=T.
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Chandragupta wrote:
ShauryaT wrote:The sobering arithmetic of a two-front war
Read the whole thing and see how superficial the analysis is without factoring terrain and objectives or suitability of assets for the terrain or its generational age or India's induction of MBRL's in lieu of artillery or India's own missile forces. Given the numbers presented, it is actually quite encouraging that the goals of the Indian military to be able to "defend" in the case of a two-front war even at this stage when the power differential between China and India is at its widest - ever - in history is quite credible from a defensive standpoint.
I think this Government believes that chances of a 2 front war are close to zero and hence, we have not seen the kind of spurt in Mil capability building as we had expected. I also suspect that Modi (foolishly) believes that if shit hits the fans, he can count on his 'friends' in western capitals to stop any misadventures by China-Pak. This is Nehru syndrome and is 100% going to bite us in the ass if push ever came to shove.
What I find MOST irritating about that article is in the first line itself
As relations with both China and Pakistan continue to deteriorate, Indian policy-makers now find themselves contemplating the unpleasant possibility of a 'two-front' war
To me the line illustrates complete lack of knowledge or logic and is simply an attention grabbing sensationalizing statement. Does not bode well for what the guy may have said later..

Relations with Pakistan have been down in the dumps for over a decade now so what the hell is the bugger talking about?
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New video
Chinese dominance over the Spratly Islands - a warning for India
https://youtu.be/Jiuoo1Ggb-U
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China in South Asia: The Case of India

6 MARCH 2018
Lindsay Hughes, Research Analyst, Indian Ocean Research Programme

Key Points

>China’s perception of India and vice-versa are a good indication of the relationship between the two countries.

>Whereas China previously dismissed India as an economic and military competitor, it is today beginning to look more closely at India through those lenses.

>India, on the other hand, continues to perceive China as a threat but, importantly, now perceives itself as being able to stand up to China.

>Those perceptions will have a major impact upon the relationship and the region.
From Future Directions International web site:

China in South Asia: The Case of India

Other Articles in the series follow.

10 APRIL 2018. China in South Asia: The Case of the United States:

PRC in SA Case US

5 APRIL 2018. China in South Asia: The Case of Pakistan :

PRC in SA Case TSP

13 FEBRUARY 2018. China in South Asia: The Case of Afghanistan:

PRC in SA Case AFG
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https://warontherocks.com/2018/04/15-bi ... -strategy/
15 BIG IDEAS TO OPERATIONALIZE AMERICA’S INDO-PACIFIC STRATEGY
The Trump administration has offered a strong vision for a free and open Indo-Pacific, but without a bold set of policy and budget initiatives to make it real, it risks becoming yet another empty concept. The first year of the administration saw a reaffirmation of Bush and Obama-era policies that the Indo-Pacific region should continue to become a central priority for U.S. national security planning. This pattern began early in 2017, with Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis’ trip to the region, and continued into the summer and fall with then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson’s CSIS speech, the president’s own trip to the region, and the release of the National Security Strategy and National Defense Strategy. But despite the administration closing out the year by talking routinely about an Indo-Pacific strategy, beyond major changes to trade policy and the reemergence of the “quad,” there have been few details to explain just how that new strategy will be operationalized.
Launch a Multi-Billion Dollar Indo-Pacific Security Initiative
Similar to what prompted the European Deterrence Initiative (now at $6.5 billion for Fiscal Year 2019), the military balance is shifting in the Indo-Pacific and a serious investment of defense resources is required to address the operational dilemmas Pacific Command faces. The military services have their own plans for investing in a modernized force for the 2020s and beyond.
Stand Up a Joint Maritime Task Force Pacific
A Joint Maritime Task Force Pacific (JMTF-P) would operate as a persistent deployment of 4-6 surface ships from a group of like-minded countries that sign on to a statement of principles committing each member to protecting a free and open Indo-Pacific maritime region. This would be modeled off the Standing Naval Forces Atlantic construct that NATO operated in the 1970s and 1980s. The task force would include naval contributions from Japan, Australia, India, European partners, and other Southeast Asian partners. Command and control could be done at sea or ashore from a location like Command Logistics Western Pacific in Singapore.
Open an Asia-Pacific Center for Security Studies “West” Office
The Asia-Pacific Center for Security Studies, the Defense Department’s center for excellence in Hawaii, has a long history of building military-to-military relationships across the Indo-Pacific. However, given its distance from the region and the cost of housing students in Oahu, one way to supplement (not replace) its good work would be to establish a satellite office west of Hawaii in Southeast Asia.
Consider Forward Deploying Another Aircraft Carrier and Air Wing to Japan
The U.S. Navy has maintained an aircraft carrier forward in Japan along with its associated air wing for decades. Doing so offers numerous benefits, including the signal of commitment it sends to U.S. allies in Tokyo and the region, the maintenance costs the Japanese government contributes to support the carrier and air wing, and the response time a carrier from Japan has compared to if it had to sail two weeks from California.
Enhance Naval Cooperation at Perth, Australia
T Australia bases its submarine force at Stirling, along with other surface combatants, and the base is a gateway to both the Indian Ocean and the South China Sea. As with the Littoral Combat Ships that are rotating through Singapore, PACOM has an opportunity to rotate surface combatants through Stirling on a 12- to 24-month timeline. The Pentagon should consider the opportunity Perth represents as part of a Global Force Posture review it is expected to conduct in the coming year.
Launch an Indo-Pacific REFORGER
Today, given the immense geography of the Indo-Pacific and the speed with which a conflict with China is likely to unfold, the U.S. military needs a similar logistics demonstration to mobilize and deploy American combat power to the theater. This would not be inexpensive and it would disrupt regular deployment cycles, but a bi-annual exercise of this nature is necessary to allow PACOM and Transportation Command to conduct real-world training, identify shortfalls, and to demonstrate to China as well as allies and partners that America’s ability to surge significant combat power to the theater is not in question.

Block Student Visa Applications for Chinese Graduates and Scholars Studying in Key Innovation Sectors
If the United States is engaged in a long-term peacetime competition, as the National Security Strategy concluded, it should consider the implications of allowing Chinese students to participate in American (and Western) educational institutions that seek to foster competitiveness in sectors where China seeks to out-innovate the United States. This includes, but shouldn’t be limited to, artificial intelligence, machine learning, nanotechnology, hypersonic, and autonomous systems. For example, the U.S. Army is helping to fund an Institute for Soldier Nanotechnologies at MIT where a good number of current postdoctoral researchers and graduate students are Chinese nationals. To be clear, Chinese students studying in the United States are not an issue and should be welcomed, but the current peacetime competition should also warrant a serious discussion about more senior Chinese studying in fields with a direct correlation to innovation sectors that relate to defense and national security. America exerts tremendous energy to ensure sensitive defense technology does not fall into the wrong hands. Why should it treat cutting-edge research in dual-use sectors any differently?
Relocate the Hawaii-Based F-22 Squadron to Japan
Despite plans for a much larger fleet of F-22 Raptors, the Air Force only ended up with 187 when the production line was closed in 2011. In the Indo-Pacific region, two squadrons are based at Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson in Alaska, where they have access to excellent training ranges and a strategic location just a short flight from Northeast Asia. However, one squadron of these 5th-generation assets ended up based in Hawaii, where its main mission is to protect the skies over the islands
Kick-Start U.S.-Japan-Australia-India Quadrilateral Exercises
A renewed interest among the U.S., Japan, India, and Australia to find ways to work together as a “Quad” has sparked discussion about how these partners might operationalize their cooperation going forward. India’s Malabar exercise is frequently discussed as a starting point for resuscitating the Quad because it was the original Quad exercise in 2007. One idea for quickly scaling-up Quad participation beyond Malabar in the next 18 months is to plug the Quad into existing exercises, including RIMPAC, Talisman Sabre, Cope North, and Red Flag. Although RIMPAC is just months away, including a joint sail with the Quad countries at the exercise would be a good way to demonstrate its emerging relevance. Similarly, Red Flag Alaska in early 2019 could be organized to include all four countries.
Rename Pacific Command as the Indo-Pacific Command
When U.S. Pacific Command was established as a unified command in 1947, its geographic area of responsibility ranged from Burma and the eastern Indian Ocean to the west coast of the Americas. That area was adjusted in the 1980s by making the India-Pakistan border the boundary between Central Command and Pacific Command. Despite the command’s newfound responsibility for a huge portion of the Indian Ocean region, its name continues to emphasize its “Pacific” focus and roots. Given the growing economic and strategic importance of the Indian Ocean region to both global affairs and East Asian security, Pacific Command’s mission and responsibilities would be described more accurately by re-designating the command as Indo-Pacific Command. Names matter. A more accurate designation will send a signal to a region that will see the Indo-Pacific commander as the operational leader and representative for the entire theater. This idea and the others outlined above offer a starting point for concrete, security-focused ways the United States can make good on its promise to support a free and open Indo-Pacific region.
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India and China can co-exist in Indo-Pacific



From EPW, India


A view point not to be dismissed. It is critical India devises her approaches as an "independent" and not as an allied power in this very long-term game.
The image of the Indian Ocean as a self-contained space or a “closed sea” from Aden to Malacca was very much a construction of these great powers that sought exclusive economic privileges via their geopolitical control over India and the surrounding west–east sea lanes.

During the postcolonial period, regio­nal powers sought to adapt these imperial ideas for defensive purposes to secure their heartlands. Since both India and China had faced a similar historical experience of maritime intrusion and subsequent subjugation through external power projected via the sea, a memory of maritime weakness and a determination to avoid a repeat of that traumatic past became ingrained in the strategic cultures of both countries. And, when India and China confronted pressure and coercion from the sea during the Cold War, they quickly recognised the value of sea power and the destabilising role that their maritime periphe­ries could play to disrupt domestic and regional stability. But, it was largely homeland and territorial concerns that shaped Indian and Chinese maritime thinking. Commerce and connectivity was rarely the driver of state behaviour.

Given that the present era of globalisation has not only restored the traditional connectivity between the Indian Ocean’s constituent regions, but also significantly enhanced it, the logic to revive an expansive mental map for the Indian Ocean based on open regionalism and social, economic, and cultural interdependence has again become compelling.
Another lesson from the maritime past is that only when Indian Ocean ports assumed a politically neutral and open status to diverse and competing players did the particular location become a thriving entrepôt for different trading communities and commodities. Both Indian and Chinese policymakers ought to keep this in mind as they scramble for maritime privileges along the Indo–Pacific.
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shiv wrote: Have you read 'The Blood Telegram"?
No, Sir. Could you please elaborate?
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PS. Looked it up in Google Chacha. I do remember the telegram, but forgot the name of Archer Blood. Old age. Thanks Boss for reminding.
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g.sarkar wrote:
shiv wrote: Have you read 'The Blood Telegram"?
No, Sir. Could you please elaborate?
Gautam
PS. Looked it up in Google Chacha. I do remember the telegram, but forgot the name of Archer Blood. Old age. Thanks Boss for reminding.
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I meant the book by that name. That book and Jagan's book on the 1965 war show that the Indian army did create the "badmash's" that were needed using the Mukti Bahini. They even created a small air force for them. But it was done much better than the badmash's that Indira Gandhi later created in Punjab
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yensoy wrote:
Hari Seldon wrote:PRC meanwhile is out toneuter and defang its taller than ocean ally TSP. Here's a fresh pic showing the cheenis making the Pak PM do a stool test.... the chair (err, stool) they gave him is so luxurious, the chap's impressive girth is half bulging out only...

Image

Lol.
Very interestng, PAK PM sitting on a stool, lower in height than the Cheeni. Plus...watch where the wires are going, straight to the paki crown jewels. Paki PM is actually very tough, he can stand a lot of abuse, strip searched at NY airport etc.
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Prem wrote:https://warontherocks.com/2018/04/15-bi ... -strategy/
15 BIG IDEAS TO OPERATIONALIZE AMERICA’S INDO-PACIFIC STRATEGY
Very US centric thinking, nothing in it for us that we already don't have. Aussies are given a free pass whereas in reality their fortitude in standing up to China is questionable (which is why the Quad exercises were abandoned in the first place).
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yensoy wrote:
Hari Seldon wrote:PRC meanwhile is out toneuter and defang its taller than ocean ally TSP. Here's a fresh pic showing the cheenis making the Pak PM do a stool test.... the chair (err, stool) they gave him is so luxurious, the chap's impressive girth is half bulging out only...

Image

Lol.
This is incredible. The Chinese fellow was handpicked to give PakiPM a hard time. Abbasi is not a short guy - he is probably 195cm; and the interviewer looks taller. This is typical Chinese intimidation, and the chair is no happenstance. It's a deliberate act to show who's the boss.

See for instance Bo Xilai (tall guy, 190cm) being brought to trial: Image,
and the discussions about it e.g. http://www.businessinsider.com/bo-xilai ... 13-8/?IR=T.

I like you do not think the height of Shahid Khaqan Abbasi’s PR Chinese interviewer was any coincidence nor for that matter the height of the guards pinioning the arms of Bo Xilai. Present day PRC is very height obssessed. :wink: Then again it may be a PR Chinese metaphor to show the bilateral relationship is truly Taller than the Himalaya’s :mrgreen: .

A New York Times article of May 5th 2002, on the popularity of the often painful Ilizarov procedure for cosmetic height increasing purposes, says the PRC Government wants “only tall Chinese today in jobs that involve meeting foreigners” and hints that there is a regional basis for this preference as it “gives a distinct advantage to northern Chinese, who are on average taller than southerners.” NYT goes on to add that had Deng Xiaoping, a southerner who stood just 4-foot-11, “would have been out of luck had he come of age in this decade”.

Risking Limbs for Height, and Success, in China
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^^^^ Absolutely, and with a high meat & fish diet they are getting taller day by day in the average. And as a matter of fact, so are we. Except we don't make a big deal about it or favour taller men to be our outside face because that would be plain wrong. It's amusing to see how much power and strength dimunitive Sushmaji has when meeting counterparts one and a half times as tall and thrice as heavy.
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http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 187_1.html
India, China join ranks to negotiate with oil producers for better bargain
Two of the world’s top three oil consumers, China and India, have decided to jointly draw up a strategy for sourcing crude oil from the international market. This grouping could expand, with South Korea and Japan as the other participants.

India and China have questioned on international platforms the practice of charging an Asian Premium by the oil producing nations. According to the plan, the two countries might source crude oil jointly from the West Asian region. China, India, Japan, and South Korea are the top four consumers in the world other than the US, which is the second-largest consumer.

<snip>

The decision to cooperate on crude oil comes close on the heels of the elite league of Asian nations, China, Japan and South Korea joining hands to import liquefied natural gas (LNG). Japan’s JERA, South Korea’s state-run Korea Gas Corporation and China National Offshore Oil Corporation had signed a memorandum of understanding to discuss opportunities of collaboration in the LNG business early this year.
Co-operate where you can and fight when you must.
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Whatever this means ... but our security is our responsibility.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 744243.cms
US has a global campaign plan against China: Pentagon
WASHINGTON: The Pentagon has developed a global campaign plan against China, a top American military leader on Friday told US lawmakers, who identified the Asian giant as "one of the central challenges" to their national security.

"We have a global campaign plan for China. Each one of the combatant commanders addresses China in the context of that global campaign plan," General Joseph Dunford, Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff told members of the House Armed Services Committee during a congressional hearing.

He said Admiral Harry Harris, Commander of the US Pacific Command, is the coordinating authority for that global campaign plan.

"But each of the combatant commanders has supporting plans in their respective areas of responsibilities that address specifically Chinese activity and capability in their areas," he said.

Dunford was responding to a question from Congresswoman Vicky Hartzler who said that China has expanded its self not only in the Indo Pacific region, but across the globe.

"Their activities are present (in) Africa, Europe, Latin America, et cetera. What efforts are you aware of being taken by each of the combatant commands in the different AORs (areas of responsibility) to counter the China challenge?" she asked.

She described China is one of the central challenges to the national security.

"China is very focused. They have multiple lanes of effort, from espionage, to the military to counter-intelligence, to propaganda arm, et cetera," Hartzler said as she was joined by several other lawmakers in expressing concern over the rise of China.

"China has made a clear commitment to meet US capability in artificial intelligence by 2020 and then exceed it by 2030," Congressman Seth Wilbur Moulton said.

Congressman Mike Gallagher asked what are the long-term consequences if China is allowed to continue to acquire America's advanced technologies through investment and joint ventures.

Defence Secretary Jim Mattis said that there are technologies that the US does not want for defence, for security reasons, to see in Chinese hands.

"I think you saw on the 5G effort here some weeks ago, that we move swiftly even in advance of what the process requires in order to make certain that we did not naively watch a business link up that was not in our best interest," he said.

"But that was a one-shot effort. We need to look at the entire penetration of our society, and what we need to protect, and CFIUS (Committee on Foreign Investment in the US) is a key part of this.

"Every democratic nation right now, by the way, that we deal with from Germany to Australia, from Canada to the United Kingdom, they're all working this issue. And so this is not unique to us, but it's certainly one of our responsibilities," Mattis said.

According to Dunford, the lifting of intellectual property in the manner in which China is doing that it is actually undermining the US' ability to maintain a technological competitive advantage.

"We're going to have to improve on the invest risk review process that would be the specific area where the Congress could take some steps, in order to come up with the specific things we need to do to protect what we absolutely must hold onto," Mattis pitched.
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India says will not take sides in US-China trade spat

BEIJING: India on Sunday said it would not take sides in the ongoing trade spat between the US and China as it concluded the key Strategic Economic Dialogue with Beijing during which differences persisted over China's controversial Belt and Road Initiative (BRI).

Remarks by NITI Aayog vice-chairman Rajiv Kumar came as he held the fifth Strategic Economic Dialogue (SED) dialogue with his Chinese counterpart He Lifeng, the chairman of China's top planning body the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC), here yesterday.

During the talks, the BRI also came up for discussion.

"India suo motu has been the supporter of the rule-based multilateral trading order. In that sense, we don't have to take sides either one-way or the other," Kumar told the media when asked about India's stand on the current trade spat between China and US.

The SED, a key platform between India and China to discuss trade and economic issues, was resumed this year after last year's disruption amid Dokalam standoff.

The meeting took place amid growing rapprochement between the two countries after the standoff.

"India has always taken independent position on trade issues," Kumar told the Indian media.

His remarks came as the US and China announced tit-for-tat tariffs on each other's products. US President Trump is ramping up pressure on China to cut the $375 bilateral billion trade deficit.

"While India does not like any measures that harm the rule based international trade regime, there is no reason to take sides in this," he said.

"We are not that level of player in the market. Our shares are much smaller. We are the takers of the rules than makers," he said.

Kumar mentioned the US and Japanese trade war in late 1980 when Washington successfully pressured Japan to cut the trade deficit.

"That is what the US is still expecting. If you notice, both sides have announced their position (to cut tariffs) but they have not given the dates. This is posturing," he said.

"I don't think anybody is interested in trade war trade crisis," he said.

In his address at the SED yesterday, Kumar made a strong pitch for China to allow India's exports of soybean and sugar.

Soybean is regarded as most important for US farmers and China is the largest importer. China has threatened to impose 25 per cent tariffs on its imports if Trump went ahead with his tariff plan for China.

Elaborating on his stand in asking China to import soybean and sugar from India, he said, "My hint was much more towards agricultural tariffs in China than anything else".

China's agricultural tariffs are high and India's agricultural exports suffer as a result of it.

Asked whether the US-China trade spat is advantageous to India, he said, "If war happens, elephants fight and grass gets affected. We are part of the grass. We don't want that" Kumar said, adding that the US and China being the world's top two economies are giants.

"We are not there yet," he said.

Apparently, China has raised the BRI at the SED for which India responded raising its concerns over the sovereignty issue regarding the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) as it is being laid through Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK).

Kumar said Chinese brought up the BRI issue and the Indian delegation responded by saying it is a matter of sovereignty which cannot be compromised.

The Chinese side "extolled" the BRI virtue and emphasised how it is "completely nonconflictual and respectful of sovereignty and independence", he said.

"After hearing India's response they chose to ignore it," he said.

But at the same time there was no reference to the CPEC and it is covered in the sovereignty-related concerns raised by India, Kumar said.

"Both sides recognise the differences over the issue. But there is sufficient scope within the defined redlines to take the development cooperation forward," he said.

There was a discussion at the SED about the Bangladesh, China, India, Myanmar (BCIM) corridor. While China says it is a part of the BRI, India says the project predates that.

Kumar said the main focus for India is Asian trilateral highway. The BCIM is work in progress.
Currently Bangladesh and Myanmar are not interested in it in view of the Rohingya refugee crisis, Kumar said.

China for its part appreciated India's Act East Policy to improve connectivity in the north-eastern states.

He said the core message from the SED was that "we must focus incessantly and unremittingly on the development cooperation possibilities despite differences".

"Major take away for India was that China has expressed interest in joining the International Solar Alliance mooted by India," Kumar said.

"It seems we have an opening. If that happens it can be a big shot the arm," he said.

There were some "positive noises" from China on investing in Prime Minister Narendra Modi's scheme for housing for all Indians by 2022.

Kumar yesterday said that there was immense potential to set up special clusters for Chinese investments like textiles, leather, food processing, electronic components and pharmaceuticals.

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Why the hell, we give clear response to their concerns, it should be like ...

We will respond after studing the the USA and China policy papers, thier actions and keeping India's interests in mind. BTW, how you are going to address our trade imbalance with you? Would you like to recommend some concret actions without involving in trade war like USA?
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America's ‘big stick’ arrives in the Philippines
At over 20 stories tall and 332 meters in length, the USS Theodore Roosevelt cut an intimidating outline against the Manila Bay sunset.US Ambassador Kim Sung, in his speech before members of the diplomatic corps, business leaders, military officers, and some government officials offered a contemporary twist on the famous line attributed to Roosevelt."I think there are times when we should speak loudly and clearly. And the presence of the Theodore Roosevelt here in Manila Bay sends a very clear message to everyone in the region, especially to our friends in the Philippines. Because our commitment to the US-Philippines alliance is unbreakable and will remain so indefinitely. "he USS Roosevelt's recent freedom-of-navigation patrol in the disputed South China Sea took place a few days before China's naval drills in the same area.Intelligence gathered by the US during the patrol suggested that the Chinese had placed communication jamming devices on some of the artificial islands they had built in the South China Sea.A pilot of an electronic warfare aircraft which operated from the Roosevelt told GMA News that they ran into these jamming devices during the freedom-of-navigation patrol."The mere fact that some of your equipment is not working is already an indication that someone is trying to jam you. And so we have an answer to that," explained the naval officer.In a brief interview with Ambassador Kim and Naval Strike Group Commander Rear Admiral Steve Koehler, journalists asked if the frequent US aircraft carrier patrols in the region meant the US was ready to defend the Philippines against Chinese aggression."I think, personally, the opportunity to have this carrier here, and the opportunity to be in all of this South China Sea Region is an indication that we’re here to support all of our friends and allies here in the region." Rear Admiral Koehler said.
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#MaritimeDomainAwareness @indiannavy extends a warm welcome to the 29th Anti-Piracy Escort Force (APEF) of PLA(N) in Indian Ocean Region (IOR). Happy Hunting @SpokespersonMoD @DefenceMinIndia @IAF_MCC @adgpi @IndiaCoastGuard @IndianDiplomacy
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^ Fantastic. Delightful. I hope that was the message conveyed over the air waves to the APEF. I remember INS Airavat.
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'Silk Road' plan intended to serve China's security goals, claims report - AP, ToI
HONG KONG: A massive Chinese infrastructure programme that Beijing says is aimed at promoting global trade and economic growth is actually intended to expand the country's political influence and military presence, according to a report issued Tuesday.

The report by the US-based research group C4ADS questions China's portrayal of the trillion-dollar programme, called the "Belt and Road Initiative," as strictly meant to promote economic development.

President Xi Jinping's signature foreign policy programme, is working to reinforce China's links to Southeast Asia, Europe and Africa through networks of roads, ports, railways, power plants and other infrastructure projects.

C4ADS, a nonprofit research institute that specializes in data analysis and security, examined official Chinese policy documents and unofficial reports by Chinese analysts to analyze the intentions of Beijing's ambitious economic development programme, which seeks to connect 65 per cent of the world's population in more than 60 countries.

Chinese officials say the initiative, also known as a modern "Silk Road" harkening back to maritime and land-based trade routes of centuries past, is driven by commercial considerations. They have rejected assertions that it is also meant to expand Beijing's global influence.

The report analyzed 15 Chinese-funded port projects in Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Cambodia, Australia, Oman, Malaysia, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Djibouti and elsewhere in the Indo-Pacific region. It concluded that projects aren't driven by "win-win" economic development for the individual host countries, as Beijing claims.

"Rather, the investments appear to generate political influence, stealthily expand China's military presence and create an advantageous strategic environment in the region," it said.

China's foreign ministry rejected the findings, saying in a statement that Belt and Road is "essentially an economic cooperation initiative" promoting common development through infrastructure.

"China is not playing a geopolitical game," it said. {Of course}


While there's no official policy document linking Belt and Road to China's national security interests, Chinese analysts have written that developing the programme and pursuing Chinese security are "intimately linked," the report said. The analysts don't represent official thinking but the authors believe what they say could influence decision-makers promoting the Belt and Road Initiative.

"Many of these observers recognize that a network of maritime logistics hubs throughout the Indo-Pacific, including ports, has the potential to change the region's strategic landscape, and several explicitly describe the role of infrastructure investment in Chinese grand strategy," the report said.

The projects shared characteristics that, taken together, pointed to China's security intent, the report said. These include being in strategic locations such as entrances to the contested South China Sea, in an apparent effort by Beijing to ease its worries about energy imports and potential blockades.

The port projects involve dual civilian-military use, Communist Party influence through the involvement of Chinese state-owned companies and control through equity stakes or long-term leases and a lack of transparency and expected profitability, it said.

Peter Cai, a fellow at Australia's Lowy Institute think tank who has studied Belt and Road, said he was somewhat skeptical about claims China was using port projects to advance military goals, given the difficulty of coordinating so many different investments, some of which might involve "independent actors."

However, he said it's clear China's political influence would expand over countries it connects with.

The new links will increase economic activity, which means "you're going to have economic influence and we all know that economic influence easily translates into political leverage and power," Cai said.


One of the most controversial projects is in Sri Lanka, where the government signed a 99-year lease agreement for the unprofitable Hambantota Port, located along a busy Indian Ocean shipping lane, along with land to develop a free-trade zone, to a Chinese-controlled company, in a deal opposed by neighboring residents and monks.

"China appears to have established financial leverage over Sri Lanka through investment in alleged vanity projects" worth billions of dollars signed as Beijing courted the country's previous president, Mahinda Rajapaksa, the report said. Debt levels for those projects prevented his successor from extricating the country from the deals and pivoting Sri Lanka away from China's influence, it said.
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Indian Navy trolls China Navy on Twitter over presence in Indian Ocean

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“#MissionBasedDeployments From Persian Gulf to Malacca Straits & from Northern Bay of Bengal to Southern Indian Ocean to East coast of Africa @indiannavy with 50 ships on vigil 24X7 keep our Area of Responsibility (AOR) safe… Anytime, Anywhere Everytime,” the navy tweeted.
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^ It was just not that alone.

In mid-June 2011, Indian Navy detected a Chinese spy vessel that was disguised as a fishing trawler, picking up crucial Bathymetric data, currents of the Indian Ocean, the temperature at various depths and also very crucially, underwater obstructions and obstacles etc. off the Andamans.

On July 22, 2011 possibly in a tit-for-tat operation, an Indian naval warship, INS Airavat, on international waters after leaving a scheduled port visit to Vietnam and going from Nha Trang port in south central Vietnam towards Haiphong, was "buzzed" on an open radio channel by a caller who identified himself as belonging to the Chinese navy and demanded the Indian warship identified itself and explain its presence on the waters there. In a statement, the MEA was strongly critical of China, saying, "India supports freedom of navigation in international waters, including in the South China Sea, and the right of passage in accordance with accepted principles of international law. These principles should be respected by all." It is now known that INS Airavat was continuously tracked by PLAN during its entire voyage to the region and the order to challenge her came from the Chinese Naval Headquarters. The US immediately called for a ‘collaborative diplomatic process’ to resolve the dispute of South China Sea.

Almost a year later, in June 2012, a contingent of four Indian naval ships from Philippines to South Korea (and later to visit Shanghai too) received an unexpected message, “Welcome to the South China Sea, Foxtrot-47,” buzzed a People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) frigate to the INS Shivalik (F47).”. For the next 12 hours, the Chinese warship would provide an unscheduled escort to the four Indian vessels. While the tone of the message was welcoming, the content as well as the unwanted escort they provided for 12 hours conveyed the message that those waters belonged to China and the Indian naval ships were guests of China in Chinese waters.

In June 2016, a Chinese intelligence gathering ship tailed two IN warships, INS Sahyadri and INS Satpura, which were on their way to participate in Ex. Malabar 2016, and even entered the Japanese territorial waters until spotted by a Japanese P-3C patrol aircraft. Later, Chinese officials defended the naval vessel’s entry into the waters, saying the passage was in line with the principle of freedom of navigation and international rules. Similarly, China saturated the IOR with several naval assets, including the intelligence gathering vessel, Haiwingxing, during the July 2017 edition of Ex. Malabar off the Chennai coast.
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Would have been appropriate in many threads but since the root of all dhoti shiver is Xina best to put it here ...

https://twitter.com/zone5aviation/statu ... 1532715010
Angad Singh @zone5aviation

Four Su-30MKIs operating from the mainland, one tanker also from the mainland. They were able to comfortably simulate strikes in the Sunda Strait.

Similar ops from Andaman & Nicobar Islands would put all eastern IOR chokepoints well within AShM range.
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A report showing cheeni determination to acquire sophisticated technology they don't have - by hook or by crook. I am sure the Chinese customer in question (Sinovel) did not do this without the backing of their government. Just goes to show the coherent strategy followed by CHinese government and businesses to gain maximum benefit for China, everyone else be damned. A more legal example of this would be Airbus being arm-twisted into manufacturing aircraft in China.

It Was A Company With A Lot Of Promise. Then A Chinese Customer Stole Its Technology
Massachusetts-based American Superconductor seemed to be riding high in early 2011, reaping strong sales and even praise from the White House for successfully cracking the Asian import markets.

...

Their largest customer, Beijing-based Sinovel, which provided three-quarters of the company's revenue, had refused to accept a shipment of electronic components for its wind turbines — and wouldn't pay millions of dollars it owed for them. The reasons it gave were ambiguous.

...

Within weeks, the company concluded that Sinovel had somehow obtained the source code for its electronic components and was installing a pirated version in the wind turbines it sold.

"American Superconductor provided sort of the brains of the turbines, so if Sinovel could do it themselves, using cheaper components, yeah, they could produce these turbines more cheaply,"

...

But the components sold by American Superconductor featured sophisticated encryption technology, and the company was pretty sure that no one at Sinovel could have cracked its source code.

Instead, someone at American Superconductor had to have illegally leaked its technology.

...

A 2013 indictment alleged that an engineer at the company's Austrian subsidiary, Dejan Karabasevic, was given a multi-year contract worth $1.7 million by Sinovel to steal his employer's trade secrets. The money essentially doubled his salary, the indictment said.

"If you look at what the executives of the Chinese company made, they're offering him more money than they make themselves. And they're not doing that because they want him to be a consultant. They want him to steal," McGahn says.

...

Today, American Superconductor remains a smaller company than it was in 2011, but has survived, having successfully broken into some important new markets. It does very little business in China.
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China’s Fosun is 4th contender for Fortis hospitals business with $350-mn proposal

Another field where the Chinese want to intrude in India.
Fortis Healthcare Ltd (FHL) has received a fourth offer for its hospital chain business — this time from China’s Fosun International Group. The other groups that have made offers for the company include the TPG-Manipal combine, Malaysia’s IHH Healthcare and the Munjal-Burman family.

In a non-binding expression of interest to the board of directors of Fortis Healthcare, Fosun Health Holdings, a wholly owned subsidiary of Fosun International, offered to inject ₹100 crore within the next 45 days that includes an option of immediately subscribing to convertible debt instruments of the company, according to a stock exchange filing.

This is under the condition that Fortis agrees to a one-month period of exclusivity for Fosun to undertake due diligence and negotiate a proposal to acquire stake in the company, the letter said.

Fosun is also interested in exploring the opportunity to invest at a price of up to ₹156 per share via primary infusion. The total investment by Fosun with this proposal will be up to $350 million and shall not enable the company to hold 25 per cent or more securities of Fortis, it added.

In the stock exchange filing on Tuesday night, Fortis Healthcare confirmed that it had received an unsolicited non-binding expression of interest from Fosun and gave the details of the offer.
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That should be fine unless Fortis Healthcare is doing something that is unique in its field.

1. Money in India.'
2. Asset in India.
3. Not a trading business.
4. No proprietary technology or process.

Fine, let them in. Similar to the Ruskies or Saudia investing in Indian Refinery complex or UAE taking a stake in the Indian oil reserve company.
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IMF gives thumbs up to India, , cautions China

NEW DELHI: India has "quite a high" debt to GDP ratio, but the government is trying to lower it using "the right policies", the International Monetary Fund (IMF) said on Thursday. India's general government debt remained relatively high, at 70 per cent of the GDP in 2017, Abdel Senhadji, Deputy Director, IMF Fiscal Affairs Department, told reporters at a news conference in Washington.

"The debt level is relatively high (in India), but the authorities are planning to bring it down over the medium term with the right policies," Senhadji said.

On the other hand, he said that for China, overall level of debt is a major challenge and to lower it, Beijing must rethink the sources of revenues for its local bodies which is responsible for 85 per cent of government spending. "The main concern has to do with the level and pace of accumulation of overall debt, private and public. So, the control over the debt level -- in particular, the rhythm of debt accumulation -- is a major challenge for the Chinese economy," he said.

This aside, in a poll conducted by news agency Reuters, economists suggested that India will claim the top spot among the world's fastest-growing major economies this year. The poll, taken between April 11-18, predicted India's economy will expand 7.4 per cent in the fiscal year that began this month. That is in line with the IMF's projection, and is a slight upgrade from the January poll. India is currently a $2.6 trillion economy and poised to break into the top five economies list by 2025.

Read full report here : India claims top spot for 2018 growth among major economies

Economists however suggested that rising trade tensions between the United States and China may restrain India's growth. "India runs the risk of being caught in the middle of the trade spat between the U.S. and China," said Hugo Erken, senior economist at Rabobank. Erken said growth will take a hit if India takes sides as the side not chosen may retaliate by imposing duties.

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China air force again circles Taiwan in “sacred mission” - Reuters
Chinese aircraft have again flown around self-ruled Taiwan in what China's air force on Thursday called a “sacred mission”, as Taiwan denounced its big neighbour over what it called a policy of military intimidation.

Taiwan, claimed by Beijing as Chinese territory, is one of China's most sensitive issues and a potential military flashpoint.

China has ramped up military exercises around Taiwan in the past year, including flying bombers and other military aircraft around the island.

More recently, China has been incensed by comments by Taiwan Premier William Lai that it deemed were in support of Taiwan independence, though Taipei says Lai's position remains that the status quo between Taiwan and the mainland should be maintained.

In a statement on its microblog, the Chinese air force said H-6K bombers had “recently” flown a patrol around Taiwan.

“The motherland is in our hearts, and the jewelled island is in the bosom of the motherland,” an H-6K captain, Zhai Peisong, was quoted as saying in the statement, using another name for Taiwan.

“Defending the beautiful rivers and mountains of the motherland is the sacred mission of air force pilots.”


Taiwan's Defence Ministry said two Chinese H-6K bombers had flown around the island on Wednesday afternoon, passing first through the Miyako Strait, to Taiwan's northeast, then back to base via the Bashi Channel between Taiwan and the Philippines.

Late on Wednesday, Chinese state media said the military had also conducted live-fire military drills with helicopters along its southeast coast after increasingly stern warnings by Beijing for Taiwan to toe the line, though the exercises were more low key than had been flagged in state media.

China's Taiwan Affairs Office said the island's ”independence separatist activities” were the biggest threat to peace and stability in the Taiwan Strait.

“No force and no person should underestimate our resolute resolve and strong ability to defend the nation's sovereignty and territorial integrity,” the office said.

Taiwan's China policy-making Mainland Affairs Council said China's military exercise - which it described as routine and small scale - as well as the Chinese air force fly-by, amounted to “military intimidation”.

Determination to defend

“Our determination to defend the country's sovereign dignity will never give in to any threat or inducement of force,” it said.

China had said the live-fire drills would happen on Wednesday off the city of Quanzhou, in between two groups of islands close to China's coast but which Taiwan has controlled since 1949, when defeated Nationalist forces fled to the island at the end of the Chinese civil war.

Chinese state media has said the drills were a direct response to “provocations” by Taiwan leaders related to what China fears are moves by the island to push for formal independence.

The latest Chinese military movements come during a time of heightened tension between Beijing and the island and follows strong warnings by Chinese President Xi Jinping against any Taiwan separatism last month.

China's hostility towards Taiwan has grown since Tsai Ing-wen from the pro-independence Democratic Progressive Party won a presidential election on the island in 2016.

China fears she wants to push for independence. Tsai says she is committed to peace and maintaining the status quo across the Taiwan Strait, but will defend Taiwan's security.


Setting aside the tension with China, Tsai began a visit to the southern African nation of Swaziland on Wednesday, one of only 20 countries which maintain formal diplomatic ties with Taiwan.
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SSridhar wrote:China air force again circles Taiwan in “sacred mission” - Reuters
Defending the beautiful rivers and mountains of the motherland is the sacred mission of air force pilots.”/quote]
This man must be arrested, tried and shot for treason. PLA, PLAN and PLAAF are there to protect the CCP. That is their sole raisin dey itr.
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Exclusive cover page report by the Week on the border with China."Red Alert", the title.Ch.Ed.Prasanna has done a great job with his on the spot and incisive analysis pointing out the difficulty we are experiencing and gaps in our defences.
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http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asi ... -australia
Philippine-US war games expanded to include Japan, Australia
MANILA (REUTERS) - Annual US-Philippine military exercises involving thousands of troops will be expanded for the first time to include other countries, with Japanese and Australian forces invited to join what will be the 34th edition of the war games.

The Philippines and the United States have been holding the "Balikatan" (shoulder-to-shoulder) drills annually to test the readiness of their militaries to respond to threats that include natural disasters and militant extremist attacks.

The United States embassy in Manila said in a statement on Thursday (April 19) that Australia and Japan, two US allies with strategic partnerships with the Philippines, would join the exercises taking place in multiple locations on the main island of Luzon, starting on May 7.

Britain has also been invited to observe training for the mitigation of post-disaster suffering.
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Tibet is not a hinterland or hub of any intense trade, manufacturing.
IFF India takes this bait then China'll benefit by virtue of its natural advantages.
1) Reinforce its stranglehold of Tibet 2) enetrate deep into Nepal 3) Dagger by India's neck, chest. Game Over.
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TROUBLE #1 “"China, Nepal and India are natural friends and partners. We are neighbours connected by rivers and mountains”

TROUBLE #2 “Nepal has agreed to not allow its territory to be used for Tibetans crossing to meet the Dalai Lama”

#1: rhetoric = daggers
#2: pressure starts
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China defends Pakistan against Modi's 'terror export factory' remark - PTI
China today backed its all-weather ally Pakistan and called on the international community to support its counter terrorism efforts after Prime Minister Narendra Modi described the neighbouring country as a "terror export factory".

"Terrorism is the enemy faced by all. The international community should work together to fight against it," foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said during a media briefing here, when asked about China's response to Modi terming Pakistan as a "terror export factory" during a speech in London.

"We hope the international community could support the efforts made by Pakistan in counter terrorism and forge effective cooperation with it in that regard," Hua said putting up a strong defence for China's all-weather ally.


While speaking at the 'Bharat Ki Baat, Sabke Saath' programme at the iconic Central Hall Westminster in London on Wednesday, warning Pakistan, Modi had said India will not tolerate those who export terror and will respond to them in the language they understand, referring to the 2016 surgical strikes conducted across the LoC.

"When someone has put a terror export factory in place and makes attempts to attack us from the back, Modi knows how to answer in the same language," he had said.

Hua's comment also came ahead of the meeting of the Foreign Ministers of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) here, to be held early next week.

External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj is arriving here tomorrow to take part in the meeting to be held on April 24. She is due to meet her Chinese counterpart Wang Yi on Sunday.

Separately Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman too will attend the SCO Defence Ministers meeting on the same day.

These are the first meetings of the SCO after India and Pakistan were admitted into the eight-member group in which China and Russia plays an influential role.


Both events are to be attended by the respective Ministers from Pakistan. SCO consists China, Russia, India, Pakistan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan.

Modi is also due to attend this year's SCO summit to be held in the Chinese city of Qingdao in June.

Hua said issues related to terrorism will be discussed at the meeting of SCO Foreign Ministers.

"We believe it is a purpose of the SCO to promote relevant cooperation in that field. Security has been a priority of the SCO since its inception," she said.

"So the upcoming SCO Foreign Ministers meeting will see participants exchanging views on the relevant issues, major international and regional issues and all the participants will uphold the Shanghai sprit to consolidate more consensus and to move forward the development of the SCO," she said.{Of course, China and its lackey, Russia, can be expected to queer the terrorism pitch to support Pakistan. India has an opportunity to strongly put across its views including criticizing China for its 'selective' support for terrorism}
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Philip wrote:Exclusive cover page report by the Week on the border with China."Red Alert", the title.Ch.Ed.Prasanna has done a great job with his on the spot and incisive analysis pointing out the difficulty we are experiencing and gaps in our defences.
https://www.theweek.in/theweek/cover/20 ... plans.html
Valleys of vigil
Doklam standoff has brought an urgency to India’s building plans. Will it suffice?

From atop the hills of Kibithu near Kahoo village in Anjaw district of Arunachal, Pesha Meyer can see the new Chinese camp at Tatu, across the line of actual control (LAC). At 71, his eyesight is not as good as it was in 1962 when he had spotted the Chinese coming through Dichu Pass, guns blazing. He had then fled the village with family.

Kibithu, the easternmost point on the undelineated LAC, 40km short of the tri-junction with Myanmar, was at the heart of the Sino-Indian war of 1962. The Chinese struck Kibithu and Walong with several thousand troops for a break-in battle into eastern Arunachal, then called NEFA (North-East Frontier Agency), but a few hundred men from 6 Kumaon, 4 Sikh and 2/8 Gurkhas put up such fierce resistance that the Chinese had to beat back, leaving 800 of their men dead. As a major in the Sikh Light Infantry battalion, who currently guards Meyer’s village of 11 homes and the Kibithu sector, said, “There were stories of guts, too, in 1962.”

Now, 56 years later, the Indian Army still relies largely on its troopers’ guts to defend Kahoo village, the Kibithu sector, the district of Anjaw, the state of Arunachal Pradesh and the republic of India. Kibithu is still connected to the rest of India with nothing more than mule tracks, a footbridge dangling over the cascading Lohit river which a company of troops will take 40 minutes to cross, a country road that gets blocked by landslides for more than 200 days a year and that can barely take a 130mm towed light cannon, and no phone line. Two recent attempts to move the heavier 155mm Bofors guns failed, as the bends on the road are too narrow.

Top guard: Chinese soldiers on patrol in Ngari Prefecture, located in the western part of the Tibet Autonomous Region | Getty Images Top guard: Chinese soldiers on patrol in Ngari Prefecture, located in the western part of the Tibet Autonomous Region | Getty Images
But, at Tatu, across the LAC, Meyer has been noticing the Chinese camp grow into a little township with three-storeyed buildings, a communication tower, telephone poles, and a two-lane metalled road bringing huge trucks from Rau transit point in the rear. The Chinese do very little patrolling, knowing perhaps that India would not launch an attack, or because they keep tabs on the Indian troops in Arunachal through electronic means. The latter seems more probable, because “they have radomes,” said an army officer. Moreover, with no towers for hundreds of miles, Indian phones do not work in Kibithu, but the cellphones catch Chinese signals and switch to China Standard Time.

Indian troops still guard their turf much the same way as they did in 1962. Indeed, LORROS (Long-range Reconnaissance and Observation System) and battlefield surveillance radars have come in recent years (“we can see as deep as 16km,” said the officer), but the infantrymen cannot leave the jungle district to electronic defence. They are constantly on patrol, each of which lasts 20 to 25 days, walking or climbing about 90km in pouring rain that lasts 10 days at a stretch, carrying 22.38kg of arms, ammunition, rations, torch, radio and tentage (see graphics). They get bitten by snakes, brushed by poisonous snails, bled by leeches, or fall off cliffs and burma bridges.

There is no rest even in winter, when the snow blocks most passes. “Dichu is the only pass that remains open through the year,” said inspector D. Karunakar, in charge of an Indo-Tibetan Border Police post near Dichu. But the spirits of the hundreds of Kumaonis, Sikhs and Gurkhas who fell in 1962, and are honoured at the Walong memorial, have inspired the men to put up a large sign at Kibithu, which reads: “They shall not pass.”

Occasionally, they see signs of the Chinese having patrolled. There are two kinds of areas—sensitive and disputed. Sensitive areas are those that are not acknowledged by either side. They are patrolled, but not penned down so on any record. Disputed areas are where both sides acknowledge that a dispute exists.

All in a day’s work: An Indian infantryman climbs a rock during a long-range patrol duty | R. Prasannan All in a day’s work: An Indian infantryman climbs a rock during a long-range patrol duty | R. Prasannan
Patrolmen have instructions, based on advice given by the foreign office, on the limits to which they can go. For example, there are two hills near Kibithu which are no-go, “but if we come to know that the Chinese have come there, we too go there and tell them to get back. That is called transgression, after which we ask for a border point meeting,” said the Sikh Light officer.

Border point meetings take place eight times a year—six ceremonial (Independence Day, Baisakhi, Diwali, etc) and two scheduled. In addition, there is provision for brigade-level flag meetings on each other’s request over hotline. Transgression charges are raised against each other, but neither side would mention the name of the spot where transgression had occurred; instead they identify the spot by giving the distance from the meeting point.

Indian troops have stepped up patrolling since Doklam, and that is leading to more accusations of transgression—426 incidents in 2017 against 273 in 2016. The Chinese, too, have been fortifying the Tatu defences, building ditches, bunkers and communication posts. “The strength of the Tatu camp has gone up by at least 20 persons, after Doklam,” said an officer in the Dinjan-based 2 Mountain Division, India’s easternmost infantry division that is tasked with defending a mountain country against a conventional enemy, and a jungle terrain against insurgents. “Our assessment is that there are chances of face-offs and transgressions in at least half of the 23 disputed and sensitive areas on the 4,057km LAC, stretching from eastern Ladakh to the tri-junction in Arunachal.”

The Dinjan Division, which looks after 54,000sqkm of mountain, jungle and plains country—altitudes varying from 300ft to 16,000ft—has one artillery and two infantry brigades against the Chinese, and an Assam Rifles unit to take care of insurgency in upper Assam. It falls under the Dimapur (Spear) Corps, India’s largest corps that takes care of about 80 per cent of the Arunachal front. Then there are the Tezpur Corps and the Siliguri Corps, which look after the rest of Arunachal, Bhutan and Sikkim. A new strike corps, sanctioned by the United Progressive Alliance regime, is still being raised.

THE EVER-OPEN DICHU is one of the six spots that are considered potential flashpoints in the east, the others being Namkha Chu, Asaphila, Yangtse, Dibang (which has two hotspots called Fish Tail I and II) and Sumdorong Chu, where a standoff had almost led to war in 1987. In the middle sector, looked after by the Siliguri Corps and the Tezpur Corps, the disputed areas are Barahoti, Kaurik and Shipki La. In the western sector in Ladakh, the sensitive points are Trig Heights, Dumchele, Spanggur Gap, Pangong Tso, Demchok and Chumar, where standoffs have taken place in the last five years.

Arm, aim: A combatant of Rajputana Rifles near the LAC | R. Prasannan Arm, aim: A combatant of Rajputana Rifles near the LAC | R. Prasannan
If it took 12 days to march from Teju to Walong in 1962, there has not been much improvement since. Indeed, the recently-opened 9km-long Bhupen Hazarika (Dhola-Sadiya) bridge, India’s longest, has cut strategic movement time by six hours, but tactical military movement closer to the border is still a nightmare. Because of the steep climb of the road, trucks cannot carry their full weight; a 5-tonner carries only 3 to 3.4 tonnes uphill.

The eastern sector is divided into several valleys—Lohit, Dibang, Siang and so on—each taking its name from the river that flows through it north to south. Every valley has a road running almost parallel to the river. Thus, supplies and troops can move from the bases in the southern plains to the posts on the northern reaches whenever weather permits and the hill slopes hold back landslides. The road up to Kibithu in the Lohit valley gets blocked often during the rains. It rains for about eight months in the upper reaches, causing frequent landslides, and rains could last ten days at a stretch, making even clearance of landslides and patrolling impossible. Indeed, the Indian Air Force has recently upgraded seven advance landing grounds (ALGs) in Arunachal—Walong, Mechuka, Vijoynagar, Tuting, Pasighat, Ziro and Aalo. The ALG in Tawang is getting readied to take the C-130J Super Hercules, but with weather being bad most of the days, air supplies are infrequent.

The big worry is that there are still no inter-valley roads, which means if men and material have to move from one valley to another, they have to move south all the way to the plains, and then move up north the other valley. Militaries give much importance to manoeuvre, but since there are no roads linking one valley to another, it is simply impossible to manoeuvre in the valleys or move troops from other valleys to the one that is under threat. In effect, the troops are boxed in their own valleys, and that is not a happy situation for any army. “Even if a patrol has to go from one valley to another, it will take 17 days,” said Lt Gen (retd) S.L. Narasimhan, member of the National Security Advisory Board who had commanded the 3 Corps. There is just one bridge across the Lohit in the valley at Chakwanti, and the other valleys are no better. The worry is: what if the enemy hits one valley with a mighty force?


The terrain on the Chinese side is much the same, but the Chinese are overcoming it with massive engineering efforts, a taste of which the Indian Army recently got at Doklam. Roads and rail lines are being built all across Tibet—the rail lines from the mainland have already reached the Chumbi Valley (where the Indian Army still enjoys immense tactical advantage), bordering Sikkim, and in Nyingchi across Arunachal. The Yanga-Nyingchi railway to the Arunachal border, the Shigatse-Yadong railway to the Chumbi Valley and the Shigatse-Gyirong railway to the Nepal border are expected to be completed in a year. The 430km Lhasa-Nyingchi line, running close to the Arunachal border, is expected to be completed by 2021. These lines will be able to bring in several divisions in short time from mainland China.

Several roads being built over 82,000km, criss-crossing the Tibetan plateau, are in various stages of completion, and the last two towns in Tibet—Gyalasa and Gandeng in Medog county that borders Arunachal—will be connected to the highway network in a year. The highway from Chengdu to Nyingchi, which the Chinese claim to be part of South Tibet that includes Arunachal and is just about 35km from the LAC, is now complete.

At the tactical level across Kibithu, “they are improving the infrastructure on the 20km Tatu-Rima route,” said Narasimhan. “They want to connect all passes. It is easier to build there. We understand that they build up to 300m a day with [earthmovers], which we can’t match.” Their inter-valley roads are also closer to the LAC, than are the roads on the Indian side.

The Chinese also have a topographical advantage. They have a river valley running parallel to the LAC, and they have built a road, S 306, in this river valley. “Which means the PLA [People’s Liberation Army] can move troops from any sector to any other, and apply pressure on the Indian defences,” said Narasimhan.

INDEED, THE DOKLAM standoff has given an urgency to India’s building plans. As minister of state for defence Subhash Bhamre told Parliament recently, “Seventy-three roads are identified as strategic Indo-China Border Roads, out of which 61... have been entrusted to Border Roads Organisation with a length of 3,417.50km.” Several of these will be inter-valley roads, along with bridges for about 780km, which would be completed by 2022. “We are building a permanent bridge across the Lohit and [will] take back the Bailey bridge by April. Then, 17 bridges are planned to be built across the nullahs in the Lohit valley,” said Col Rajeev Dhingra, commander of a BRO task force in the sector. Two inter-valley roads are also being planned from Lohit valley to Dibang valley (165km), and Hylong to Hunti, of which some 30km has already been cut, and will be ready by 2024. “It is not easy. In the first 15km itself, I have to build 11 bridges,” said Col Dhingra. “For now, they will be Bailey bridges,” added Maj Arun Nair, who incidentally has a bridge named after him at Gunji, on the traditional Manasarovar route. One big relief is that the bridge-building decision can now be taken by chief engineers (brigadier level) who have been vested with financial power up to Rs 50 crore.


However, funds are a problem. The budget for 2018-19 has been a big dampener, as was made clear by defence secretary Sanjay Mitra to Parliament’s Standing Committee on Defence, while talking of the construction of Sela tunnel. “There are problems, obviously,” said Mitra. “Particularly in this case, if we get additional support, we will be in a position to make a big impact on the Indo-China border road. If you are aware, finance minister [Arun Jaitley] told us to make Sela Pass [tunnel]. If we have to do this project, we will need additional funds.”

Though the Doklam standoff did not spin out of control as Sumdorong Chu had in 1987, it has prompted the security establishment to look closely at the eastern sector. And, the look has given them a shock. For, till now, it was generally assumed that with the raising of two divisions, and the ongoing raising of a new mountain strike corps during the UPA regime, Arunachal had become a virtual fortress, and that the chinks were in the western sector. The major incidents, such as Chumar and Demchok, had also been happening in the western sector. But post Doklam, there is a realisation that the east, too, needs far superior infrastructure for the new posture of aggressive defence to be effective, especially given the fast pace at which the Chinese are building up the Tibetan frontiers. The concerns have been taken to the highest level. There have been a spate of visits to the borders by senior army officers, as also the defence secretary, the minister of state for defence and Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman.

Indeed, road, rail and air assets are being built up, but the pace is slow. Four strategic railway lines are going to be built (see graphics), of which two will be in the east. Sukhois have come to Hasimara (West Bengal), Chabua and Tezpur (Assam), and Brahmos cruise missile to a classified spot. The assumption is that in the event of a conflict, both will launch air strikes first—the IAF targeting the rail line, roads and airfields in Tibet, and the PLA air force aiming at IAF’s airfields. But, with the air squadrons having depleted from 38 to just about 30, the concern is whether the IAF will have enough of them available in the east.

The Chinese have a dozen airfields along the Indian border, including one at Nyingchi, but “they are unlikely to operate from Nyingchi, considering that it is too close and vulnerable to strikes from us,” said an officer at the division headquarters. The IAF has recently upgraded about seven ALGs in Arunachal, but given the fact that it rains most of the year, the ground forces are loathe to rely on helicopter supplies. Tuting has been upgraded recently to take the huge C-17 Globemaster, which can carry tonnes of material and troops. But, few others like the one at Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh and Daulet Beg Oldi in Ladakh in the west can take fixed-wing aircraft.

Faced with a resource crunch, civilian building efforts, too, are being optimised. The tourism ministry is inviting visitors to Tawang valley, Ziro, Bomdila and other places. Entry rules under the ‘protected area permit regime’ are being eased. “The effort is to open up Arunachal Pradesh to more tourists,” tourism secretary Rashmi Verma told THE WEEK. “Apart from Tawang, we are also looking at Dibang valley in eastern Arunachal.” The tourism and civil aviation ministries are thus spending to build infrastructure that should complement the defence ministry’s. The civil aviation ministry has identified 24 airports and helipads to be upgraded in the northeast and Jammu and Kashmir, of which nine are in Arunachal. Sikkim thus has got its first airport recently at Pakyong, and Tezu in Arunachal has also been upgraded.

But the concern is: would all this amount to too little too late, considering the speed with which the Chinese are building in Tibet?
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Post Doklam, China offers to resume military drills with India - Pranab Dhal Samanta, Economic Times
China has reached out to India with an offer to resume military exchanges that it had put on an unexplained hold just before last year’s Dokalam standoff, signaling an important shift ahead of defence minister Nirmala Sitharaman’s visit to Beijing next week.

ET has reliably gathered that China has sent in an official proposal with a calendar of activities, which the two militaries can carry out as confidence-building measures through the remaining part of this year.


The proposal has been made just before snow begins to melt in Dokalam.

Sitharaman, who will be in Beijing for a SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organisation) meeting on April 24, is expected to take this conversation further with China’s new defence minister Wei Fenghe. External affairs minister Sushma Swaraj will also be in Beijing for a SCO foreign ministers meet around the same time.

The annual military exchange currently stands suspended.

Usually, a calendar is drawn up through a defence secretary-level conversation at the beginning of each year.

In 2016-end, India shared its proposal for military exchanges for 2017 but the Chinese side did not respond.

Script Different This Time

As a result, the defence secretary-level talks could not be scheduled and by June 2017, Chinese forces were in Dokalam.

The entire year went without any exchange or confidence-building effort despite both sides withdrawing after a 70-day stand-off.

This time China has made the first move, sending in its proposal for a calendar of activities first. If the two ministers agree to take this forward, then a defence secretary-level conversation may be needed to firm up the plan and have an engagement matrix in place within the next few months.

India, on its part, is closely assessing the Chinese move, which is in contrast to reports of Chinese troop buildup on the disputed segment of the Dokalam plateau with Bhutan.

The script, sources pointed out, appears quite different from last year and may have to do with the assurance to Xi’s continuation.

With a new team in place and larger global profile in mind, Beijing may not want to get bogged down by border controversies.

One of the key reasons that the Dokalam standoff could be resolved was because China did not want this to vitiate the BRICS Summit in Xiamen that year. India had indicated that it may have to consider pulling out if the stalemate continued.


Also, the fact that China has a new defence minister, who is said to enjoy Xi’s trust will be a plus. Wei was the head of the PLA’s Rocket Force before being elevated as defence minister in last month’s shake-up.

The annual military exchanges between India and China have been a routine affair {Not true} involving a joint exercise called ‘Hand-in-Hand’, reciprocal visits by army commanders responsible for the areas bordering the two countries and other such exchanges.
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Indian Navy’s Malacca deployment spots Chinese ships in Indian Ocean

Indian Navy’s Malacca Strait deployment which started in June last year has spotted three Chinese naval ships entering the Indian Ocean Region from Ombai Wetar in Indonesia, officials said today.
This article expands on the recent tweet from the Navy regarding this deployment. Also, not sure if this was posted previously, but this the first time I am seeing the exact location of the Chinese naval vessel entry in to the Indian Ocean. Seems to be the same Ombai Strait that Shiv alludes to in his excellent YouTube video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRBhZ2ATWqI

And it seems that the Navy's mission based deployment certainly has more broad contours than shown in their map
Indian Navy’s cheeky tweet to China conveys message 'we see you'
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TKiran wrote:Mohan Malik 马立克 实事求是
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“The island nation is on the verge of conceding its sovereignty.” (link: https://lnkd.in/gPghgMn) lnkd.in/gPghgMn

Is Abdulla Yameen Handing Over the Maldives to China?
foreignpolicy.com
Jmohammalik is prone to hyperbole. His pronouncements of petroyuan were laughable at best.
The “yuan oil contract” has crashed at birth, and it is normal.

It is monstrously expensive: more than twice the cost per lot compared than US dollar ones. The transaction fee for Shanghai futures is about $3.20 per lot, compared with about $1.50 for U.S. oil contracts, according to Bloomberg.
It is not “backed by gold“. China’s total gold reserves are a fraction of its money supply (less than 0.007%) and if the yuan collapses, the nascent “Petroyuan” falls with it. The mirage of thinking that the yuan is guaranteed by gold reserves is only comparable to Flat Earth theories.
It trades for only a few hours. One hour and a half in the morning, one hour and a half in the afternoon and a few hours at the close of the Chinese market. While the rest of the international oil contracts have twenty-four-hours trading, the Chinese local currency energy market (INE) trades eight hours a day. The implantation and internationalization of a currency does not happen because it is decided by a government
It has excessive margin requirements, more than double those of the equivalent markets in US dollars. The margin required to participate in China’s futures is 7% of the contract value, rising to 10 percent the month before delivery and 20 percent in the last three days before delivery. In the U.S., the margin is 3.4% of the contract value, according to Goldman Sachs and Bloomberg.
To the above, we must add two other barriers. A translation exchange to other currencies of 3% and, above all, an economy that has capital controls in which the Chinese government can decide by decree if you can or cannot get your money back when it pleases you.
http://www.dlacalle.com/en/petroyuans-l ... explained/

I would be careful on Maliks interpretations. I think he is on Chinese payroll.
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