Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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https://www.rediff.com/news/report/chin ... 210426.htm
Chinese airline suspends flights bringing medical supplies to India
K J M Varma, April 26, 2021

China's state-run Sichuan Airlines has suspended all its cargo flights to India for 15 days, causing major disruption to private traders' efforts to procure the much-needed oxygen concentrators and other medical supplies from the country despite Beijing reiterating its readiness to help India to deal with the latest surge of COVID-19 cases.
"China has been following closely the epidemic situation in India and expressed readiness early on to help curb the latest surge," foreign ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin told a media briefing here on Monday while answering questions, including the suspension of cargo flights by the Sichuan Airlines.
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Wang declined to react to China's state-run airline, Sichuan Airlines, decision to suspend its cargo flights to several destinations to India which was expected to seriously cause disruptions to private traders' efforts to procure oxygen concentrators badly needed in India.
"As for the operation of the specific flights of the airlines you mentioned, I suggest you check with the company concerned," he said.
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Beijing sees lowest birth rate in 2020, China’s population to decline
The reported change in Beijing’s demographics, a city of more than 21 million people, is an indication that the number of people in China could start to decline six years from now Beijing recorded its lowest number of births in 2020, official data has revealed, with a top expert saying the Chinese capital’s population could start shrinking from 2022, and China’s by 2027.
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Overall, the number of babies born in China fell by 580,000 to 14.65 million in 2019 and the birth rate of 10.48 per thousand was the lowest since 1949 when present methods of collating data began, according to the National Bureau of Statistics.
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https://www.rediff.com/news/report/impl ... 210430.htm
Rediff.com » News » Implement Moscow pact fully: India to China on Ladakh row
Hemant Waje, April 30, 2021

Asserting that it was necessary to complete the process of disengagement in eastern Ladakh "at the earliest", External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar on Friday conveyed to his Chinese counterpart Wang Yi the need for "full and sincere" implementation of an agreement on restoration of peace and tranquility in the region.
The issue figured during a phone conversation that was initiated by Wang to convey China's sympathies to India on the COVID-19 situation.
Also on Friday, Chinese President Xi Jinping expressed his "sincere sympathies" in a message to Prime Minister Narendra Modi over the pandemic situation in India and offered to provide support and help to deal with the current surge of COVID-19 cases in the country.
"The External Affairs Minister conveyed that while the process of disengagement had commenced earlier this year, it remained unfinished. He emphasized that it was necessary that this process be completed at the earliest," it said in a statement.
"Full restoration of peace and tranquility in the border areas would enable progress in the bilateral relationship. The two Ministers agreed to continue further dialogue at the official level on this matter," the MEA said.
India and China reached a five-point agreement to resolve the eastern Ladakh border row during talks between Jaishankar and Wang at a meeting in Moscow on September 10 on the sidelines of a Shanghai Cooperation Organisation meet.
The pact included measures like quick disengagement of troops, avoiding action that could escalate tensions, adherence to all agreements and protocols on border management and steps to restore peace along the LAC.
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https://www.thestatesman.com/india/anal ... 65545.html
Analysis: Xi’s message to PM Modi-first step for an India-China thaw?
Ambassador Sun also sought to create the impression that there has been no interruption in Chinese supplies to India.
IANS | New Delhi | May 1, 2021

Chinese President Xi Jinpings message on Friday to Prime Minister Narendra Modi extending Beijings support to counter the second Covid wave in India is a major step, marking the first direct communication between the two leaders following the Chennai informal summit in 2019.
Interestingly, Xi reached out to the Prime Minister, after US President Joe Biden and the Russian President Vladimir Putin had spoken to Modi, and followed up their conversation with the dispatch of planeloads of essential medical supplies to counter the second vicious wave of Covid-19.
It is likely that China, which now prides itself as a “responsible global power,” did not want to be left out when key members of the UN Security Council, including Britain and France, apart from the US and Russia had reached out to New Delhi.
Yet, Xi’s outreach is significant, as Beijing now would surely be testing an Indian response. For India, the game of smoke and mirrors has already begun. New Delhi’s response must be measured and proportionate, and should test out whether behind Xi’s statement, there is a Chinese intent to dial down the frictions between the two countries.
For starters, does President Xi want to reduce tensions along the borders, which have not abated since the pull backs from the Pangong Tso in Eastern Ladakh? Further withdrawals are likely to take place once key strategic concerns of India and China are met. From an Indian perspective, the possibility of a two front war involving China and Pakistan is a serious security concern. Besides, Chinese moves to control the headwaters of the Indus must be prevented at any cost.
From a Chinese perspective, India must not pose a threat to Aksai Chin, the area which provides a strategic link between Tibet and Xinjiang. If the Chinese are serious about normalising, Xi’s message should be followed up with an offer for talks between the Special Representative of the two countries—National Security Adviser Ajit Doval and China’s state Councillor Wang Yi. Only if genuine progress on the borders is made by China, only then may India look at de-hyphenating the security and economic tracks between the two countries, which were fused in June last year, following the bitter Galwan valley clash between the two militaries. Significantly, the Chinese have been sending feelers of their inclination to reach out to India only this week. After the Americans and Russian had taken to lead to bond with India to counter the second Covid wave. On Wednesday, Chinese ambassador to India, Sun Weidong tweeted that “Chinese medical suppliers are working overtime on orders from India, at least 25000 orders for oxygen concentrators in recent days. Cargo planes are under plan for medical supplies. Chinese customs will facilitate relevant process.”
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"Significantly, the Chinese have been sending feelers of their inclination to reach out to India only this week"

Simply because they believe India is in a weak position at the moment due to the Covid situation and therefore they can :
1. Be a distraction to India whose focus is elsewhere
2. Push for better positions since they think India will not be thinking clearly on the border issue now
3. Get a bit more in the border talks since India may want to mobilise the Army for Covid duties
4. Show India in a bad light if India spurns Beijing help offer at this time, in the eyes of its people and the world

Ironically, by trying to appear amicable when India is dealing with a crisis, Beijing has confirmed that India has been and would be tougher to negotiate with when the situation at home is normal.
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Just hang on tight where we are and let another couple of months pass. We will not agree or disagree to anything just now. Let the communication go back and forth. Leaders let the communication happen on the ground. And on the ground, let the communication go to the leadership level. In between, we all can have chai biscuit only.
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Can't control virus, can't handle rockets, always upto the destruction of planet.
Rocket debris from China's space station launch is falling back to Earth — but where?
https://www.space.com/china-space-stati ... is-falling
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https://news.yahoo.com/fears-chinese-at ... 14441.html
Fears of a Chinese attack on Taiwan are growing, and Taiwan isn't sure who would help if it happened
Benjamin Brimelow
Mon, May 3, 2021

*China has been expanding its influence and taking a more aggressive posture toward Taiwan.
*That has raised concerns that Beijing may attempt to retake the island by force.
*Whether the US and other countries would help, and what help they would offer, remains in doubt.
Twenty-five years ago, two US Navy carrier strike groups were enough to deter possible Chinese military action against Taiwan after China launched missiles that landed a few dozen miles off its coast.
Now, after a massive modernization effort by China's military, known as the People's Liberation Army, two carrier strike groups, and possibly US forces alone, may not be enough.
This is especially daunting for Taiwan, as it is unclear whether it can get help from anyone else if, or when, the time comes.
In March, Adm. Philip Davidson, the head of US Indo-Pacific Command at the time, told the Senate Armed Services Committee that China could invade Taiwan in the next six years.
A few days later, Adm. John Aquilino, Davidson's successor, declined to comment on that assessment but said China views Taiwan "as their No. 1 priority," and that, in his opinion, "this problem is much closer to us than most think."
Who could help?
Taiwan's problem with finding friends isn't new. Since the 1970s, most countries have severed official ties with Taipei and instead recognized Beijing, which regards Taiwan as a breakaway province.
Today, only 15 countries - none in Asia - recognize Taiwan as an independent sovereign state, though Taiwan does maintain unofficial diplomatic relations with many countries, including the US and most of its neighbors.
The countries in the best position to help Taiwan in an invasion scenario are Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, and Australia. In addition to their proximity to Taiwan, they also have their own concerns about China's rising power.
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Philippine foreign minister tells China to 'Get the F**k Out' over South China Sea dispute
The Philippine foreign minister on Monday demanded in an expletive-laced Twitter message that China's vessels get out of disputed waters, the latest exchange in a war of words with Beijing over the South China Sea.

The comments by Teodoro Locsin, known for blunt remarks, follow Manila's protests for what it calls the "illegal" presence of hundreds of Chinese boats inside the Philippines' 200-mile Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ).
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... oss-region

The slimeball Chins have been proactive organising a S.Asian jamboree without India,in an attempt to get our neighbours close borders because of the pandemic running riot in the country.It has worked .However,our bungling of the pandemic's second phase has left the boast that we were the best nation in dealing with the CV crisis in absolute tatters.Far from being the saviour of the world sending our vaccines far and wide,we are now in the
most embarrassing position of having to plead for and accept desperately required intl. aid from vaccines to med. eqpt.,medicines and oxygen.

We also suffered the ignominy of the Chins adding insult to injury by offering us their despised vaccine and oxygen! Al this is meant to embarrass Mr.Modi and divert his attention from the bowels of babudom while the Chin military advance carries on unabated.
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Why do you see it so narrowly? US has had far more deaths than us. We will recover and stay steadfast and strong. The Chinese vaccine is a joke. And their deaths are hidden for now but not forever perhaps.
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g.sarkar wrote:https://news.yahoo.com/fears-chinese-at ... 14441.html
Fears of a Chinese attack on Taiwan are growing, and Taiwan isn't sure who would help if it happened

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Quite likely the US is gonna think about it and Japan getting to it while the whole takeover business is done and dusted in a week while the thinking goes on.I dont think it would last even a week and this is perhaps the golden chance and likely the only chance China is going to get to invade Taiwan when all potential rivals are grappling with covid
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Philippines is all talk and no walk. Let's believe it when they invest in a credible military first. Till then they are just putting their fishermen in harm's way.
Great country, great people but absolutely zero motivation for self-preservation. Maybe it had to do with the martial rule in the past where military was used to bully their own people which is why they are blunted. To be fair, they do see action in the islamist parts of the country from time to time but that's a completely different ball game from taking on China.
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True Vivek, but China with 1.5B+ people,don't care a fig even if 100M KTB ( kick the bucket), that too most of them elderly.A grand way of easing up on food sourcing.In fact the geriatric Chin dead can be processed as food for the masses like Spam. They could call it Cham! :rotfl:

The Phillippines should resort to assymetric warfare.They can't by any stretch of the imagination take on the Chins and take anything from them on the chin ( pun intended). Their best bet is to hand over Subic Bay to the US ,giving the US another star on the Asia map.As for the dozens of Chin fishing-in-troubled-waters fleet, a perfect arrangement for the whole lot going up in smoke from sabotage.
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https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/ ... rts-report
India blocks China-made wireless device imports: Report
India has blocked imports of China-made bluetooth speakers, wireless earphones, smartphones and more
Reuters, 7 May 2021

India has held up approvals for import of wifi modules from China for months, driving companies such as United States-based computer makers Dell and HP and China’s Xiaomi, Oppo, Vivo and Lenovo to delay product launches in a key growth market, two industry sources have told the Reuters news agency. Imports from China of finished electronic devices – like bluetooth speakers, wireless earphones, smartphones, smartwatches and laptops – containing wifi modules are being delayed, the sources said.
India’s Communications Ministry’s Wireless Planning and Coordination (WPC) Wing has withheld approval since at least November, according to the sources, who were familiar with lobbying efforts by firms seeking clearance. More than 80 such applications by US, Chinese and Korean firms have been pending with the WPC since then, one of the sources said. Even applications from some Indian firms, which bring in some finished products from China, are awaiting WPC approval, the sources added.
Dell, HP, Xiaomi, Oppo, Vivo and Lenovo did not respond to requests for comment.
India’s communications ministry did not respond to a request for comment either. Both sources said the government had still to respond to representations made by industry lobby groups and individual companies. India’s hard stance against Chinese imports comes amid Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s call for greater economic self-reliance. His nationalist policies have helped boost the growth of smartphone assembly in the South Asian nation, and the sources believe the government’s intention is to persuade companies to locate more of their production of electronic devices in India. “The government’s idea is to push companies to manufacture these products in India,” one of the sources said.
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yensoy wrote:
Philippines is all talk and no walk. Let's believe it when they invest in a credible military first. Till then they are just putting their fishermen in harm's way.
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Their president needs to make up his own mind about what relationship they want with PRC. Before anything else can happen.

It's almost like he is on drugs. The way he acts.
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https://www.indiatoday.in/world/china/s ... 2021-05-10
China investigated weaponising coronaviruses in 2015: Reports
London/Melbourne, May 10, 2021

Chinese military scientists allegedly investigated weaponising coronaviruses five years before the Covid-19 pandemic and may have predicted a World War III fought with biological weapons, according to media reports referring to documents obtained by the US State Department.
According to ‘The Sun’ newspaper in the UK, quoting reports first released by ‘The Australian’, the “bombshell” documents obtained by the US State Department reportedly show the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) commanders making the sinister prediction.US officials allegedly obtained the papers which were written by military scientists and senior Chinese public health officials in 2015 as part of their own investigation into the origins of Covid-19. Chinese scientists described SARS coronaviruses — of which Covid is one example — as presenting a “new era of genetic weapons”.
Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses, several of which cause respiratory diseases in humans ranging from a common cold to Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS).
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Something via Sun and Ausrealian could be a plant. But the news itself is believable.
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^^^ That and the news in UK tabloid:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ch ... d=msedgntp
Chin threatening Oz with mijjiles!!!
With Sleepy Joe or without SJ I feel the other in the Quad+ have had enough of Chin and Unkil Moddly-cuddling the Lizard!!
Something will give
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Filipino strong man,sorry,"strawman" it appears,after he issued a gag order against anti-Chin criticism from his fellow ministers,not wanting to upset his benefactor Emperor XI!

Duterte has been caught with his pants down by XI,who baited him with moolah,just like the GOAT of Sri Lanka,then pulled the plug with his "fishing fleet" that has invaded and taken over a swathe of Filipino territory in the Indo-China Sea. Duterte's no Manny Pacquiao and a weak state like the Phillippines, with a huge archiaepelago to defend, a miniscule navy and no Yanqui protective presence at Subic Bay ,fond days of the Vietnam War era,
is now in danger of being swallowed up by the Chin dragon. The strawman appears paralysed and upto his nose in what the Yanquis describe as "Jack sh*t" .His only hope in defending his maritime nation is India's BMos missile, the great brown and white Indo-Russian hope ,to paste the sterns of the Chin armada .The neatly packed rows of XI's bumboats can be disposed of by other means,any manner of aircraft carrying incendiaries to start a Chin bonfire . Sending in a commando team to scuttle the fleet is another option.A disastrous fire could've been started by a dopey Chin and his pipe of Shanghai Sally in a floating opie den!
Duterte will have to show his cojones though,stand up and be counted amongst the anti-Chin alliance of Asia if he wants BMos, as a Phillippines kowtowing to the mandarins in Beijing,licking XI's yellow backside like the GOAT of Colombo isn't deserving of BMos.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 735091.cms
Philippines' Rodrigo Duterte issues gag order over South China Sea
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++It is about time; hope they give some thought to the nuclear option, if China keeps pushing them.
If shove comes to push no one will help Japan, they should be able to defend themselves.
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https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 607474.ece
China completes strategic Tibet highway near Arunachal border
Ananth Krishnan
UPDATED: MAY 21, 2021 11:46 IS

A file photo of the Yarlung Zangbo Grand Canyon in Nyingchi city, in China's western Tibet Autonomous Region. | Photo Credit: AFP

Construction is part of a wider infrastructure push in border areas in Tibet
China has completed construction of a strategically significant highway through the world’s deepest canyon in Tibet along the Brahmaputra river, enabling greater access to remote areas along the disputed border with Arunachal Pradesh in India.

The highway, official media in China reported this week, took seven years to complete and passes through the Grand Canyon of the Yarlung Zangbo river, as the Brahmaputra is called in Tibet. This is the “second significant passageway” to Medog county that borders Arunachal, the official Xinhua news agency reported, directly connecting the Pad township in Nyingchi to Baibung in Medog county.

The highway will reduce the distance between Nyingchi city and Medog from 346 km to 180 km and will cut the travel time by eight hours. The project, undertaken by the China Huaneng Group, required an estimated investment of over 2 billion yuan (around $310 million), Xinhua reported.

The construction, which began in 2014, is part of a wider infrastructure push in border areas in Tibet. In November, China began work on a strategically important railway line — its second major rail link to Tibet after the Qinghai-Tibet railway that opened in 2006 — that will link Sichuan province with Nyingchi.


That project was considered important enough for President Xi Jinping to officially launch it, as he called it “a major step in safeguarding national unity and a significant move in promoting economic and social development of the western region”.

Zhu Weiqun, a senior Party official formerly in charge of Tibet policy, was quoted as saying by state media the railway will help “transport advanced equipment and technologies from the rest of China to Tibet and bring local products out”. “If a scenario of a crisis happens at the border, the railway can act as a ‘fast track’ for the delivery of strategic materials,” he said.

The first segment of the line within the Sichuan province, from Chengdu to Yaan, was completed in December 2018. Work on the 1,011-km section from Yaan to Nyingchi will be finished in 2030.

Civilian settlements in disputed territories
Another part of the border infrastructure push is the construction of new civilian settlements — along with the expansion of existing smaller hamlets — along border areas, some of which lie in disputed territories claimed by India and Bhutan, to strengthen China’s control over the land.

In 2017, the Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR) government launched a plan to build “moderately well-off villages” in border areas, under which 628 “first line and second line villages” — referring to those right on the border and others in remote areas slightly further within — would be developed in the prefectures of Ngari, Shigatse, Shannan and Nyingchi, along China’s borders with India, Bhutan and Nepal.

An investment of 30.1 billion yuan (about ₹30,000 crore) was announced for the project, covering 62,160 households and 2.4 lakh people, and includes plans to resettle residents to live in the new settlements.

Last year, satellite images emerged showing a new village called Pangda built 2-3 km into what Bhutan sees as its land. On January 18 this year, another village built newly 4-5 km into what India sees as its territory in Arunachal came to light via satellite images. Indian officials said this land has been under China’s effective control since 1959 and there were military barracks there earlier. The civilian settlements, along with the new infrastructure connectivity, are seen as aimed at bolstering China’s control over the areas.

More Indian territory being lost to the PRC,while we slept......
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Rsatchi wrote:^^^ That and the news in UK tabloid:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ch ... d=msedgntp
Chin threatening Oz with mijjiles!!!
With Sleepy Joe or without SJ I feel the other in the Quad+ have had enough of Chin and Unkil Moddly-cuddling the Lizard!!
Something will give
to kill what ...emu?
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https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 05195.html
India-China ties at crossroads... tensions continue on LAC’: Jaishankar
The external affairs ministry too said the process of disengagement of Indian and Chinese troops at friction points in Ladakh sector remains “unfinished”.
Rezaul H Laskar, MAY 20, 2021

The India-China relationship is at the crossroads and New Delhi cannot think of cooperating with Beijing in other areas as long as tensions continue on the Line of Actual Control (LAC), external affairs minister S Jaishankar said on Thursday.
The external affairs ministry too said the process of disengagement of Indian and Chinese troops at friction points in Ladakh sector remains “unfinished” and the full restoration of peace and tranquillity in border areas alone will lead to progress in bilateral ties.
Jaishankar’s remarks, made during a virtual interview at the FT-Indian Express webinar, came in the wake of calls by the Chinese leadership for setting aside the border standoff that began a year ago and focusing on cooperation in other areas such as trade and investment.
He accused China of moving away from the consensus on stabilising the border, which emerged from former prime minister Rajiv Gandhi’s groundbreaking visit to China in 1988. This consensus led to important border agreements in 1993 and 1996 that created three decades of peace and tranquillity on the LAC, he noted.“I think the relationship is at a crossroads and which direction we go depends on whether the Chinese side would adhere to the consensus, whether it would follow through on the agreements which we both have done for so many decades,” Jaishankar said.
“Because what is very clear in the last year is that border tensions cannot continue with cooperation in other areas,” he added.
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Amid LAC row, India ramps up infra in Ladakh
Ajit K Dubey, May 24, 2021

The Indian Army, engaged in a military stand-off with the Chinese army for more than a year, has developed infrastructure and now the capability to accommodate a large number of troops in the habitats that have been built in the Ladakh sector and other areas along the Line of Actual Control.
These habitats would allow the troops to function efficiently even during the harsh winters experienced in Ladakh and sustain them through temperatures which sometimes go down to minus 45 degrees.
"Due to the military stand-off with China, the Indian Army has been able to complete the work planned in next five years in the last 12 months itself. The number of troops which can be easily accommodated and stationed in the Ladakh sector alone in the newly constructed habitats would be more than double the number of troops presents there," government sources told ANI.
According to estimates, both India and China have deployed more than 50,000 troops in the Eastern Ladakh sector opposite each other despite the limited disengagement in the Pangong lake sector by both sides earlier this year.
The sources said that the Corps of Engineers are still working all along the LAC to erect structures for the troops to operate there and accommodate additional forces if the need arises.
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https://www.9news.com.au/national/china ... 416e63a887

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Darwin base

American military planners want to base a stockpile defence equipment and munitions at bases in the Top End as well as manufacturing US-designed ballistic missiles here, The Australian reports.

Now the implications for India too..can anyone see ? !
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... gins-china
Joe Biden orders US intelligence to intensify efforts to study Covid’s origins
Joan E Greve, 26 May 2021

Joe Biden has ordered the US intelligence community to intensify its efforts to study the origins of coronavirus, adding that it will continue to press for China to participate in a full investigation.
The president said he received a report earlier this month with the “most up-to-date analysis of the origins of Covid-19”, but had asked intelligence agencies to “redouble” their efforts to identify a “definitive conclusion” on how the virus was first transmitted in humans.
“I have now asked the intelligence community to redouble their efforts to collect and analyze information that could bring us closer to a definitive conclusion, and to report back to me in 90 days. As part of that report, I have asked for areas of further inquiry that may be required, including specific questions for China,” Biden said in a statement on Wednesday.
The novel coronavirus was first detected in the Chinese city of Wuhan in late 2019 and has since spread around the world, killing almost 3.5 million people and infecting almost 168 million, according to Johns Hopkins. A year after Wuhan alarm, China seeks to change Covid origin story. Much remains unknown about its origins and China has been sensitive about any suggestion it could have done more in the early stages of the pandemic to stop it.
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Why has Biden suddenly raked up this issue? He certainly got a lot of mileage and votes when Trump insisted that it was unleashed by China. Isn't it in his interest to keep the illusion that it was a natural animal to human mutation rather than setting up the stage for saying China caused it?
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^^^ few reasons :
1. Like Napaks Chin can never be trusted
2. Late realisation that Chin is much more dangerous than Natasha ever was ( Natasha more maybe ideological change of regime but chin will establish old fashioned Empire and client states)
3. Either a secret treaty ( a la The Treaty of Tordesillas ) has sour (given the chin impatience) or the others in the East ( India Japan Aus) have come to know of this and squeezing Unkil or crying 'Spilt Milk'
4. Plutocrats in the West (read US) have realised that chin will beat them at their game with zero accountability hence forcing Sleepy Joe's hand
5. Like Congoons and Famiglia has Sleepy Joe signed some secret MOU with Chin for election funding that is being used by some to get back at Sleepy
Any of these or a combination or Now that they have decided to leave Afghan where else to start some skirmish so that MIC(which has grown fat in the last two decades) could keep the gravy train running
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Hard to tell if Biden is intensifying or sabotaging investigation in chinese matters. News headlines could say one thing while actions could be different. One easy way for me to destroy well working team is to introduce more people or my people.

No such thing as MIC becoming fat. MIC valuations are no where the market leaders like pharma and tech. Various decisions allowed chinese to catch up and now desperation is kicking in along with the need to be seen ahead of chinese. Majority of the defense budget doesn't go to MIC to begin with. There's no room left for the present administration to not be seen doing everything to be seen ahead of chinese.
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A secret deal gone sour is an interesting take on the new development. Will have to wait and see if any evidence emerges.
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Your claim that it could be a case of merely going through the motions is also a valid perspective. After all what is to prevent Biden from saying after 90 days that CIA has determined that there is no evidence that it originated in a lab in Wuhan?
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IMO, tracing the origin is just a PR stunt. No one wants to discuss everything else related to the China virus irrespective of its origin. Chinese exploited the virus situation and are the main benefactor of the crisis. Whether it came from the lab or not is for US public consumption dog and pony show. No one in US Congress wants to discuss effects of the virus being out there and how chinese reaped the benefits. WHO came out with guidelines on naming in 2015. Why so late? It has been in existence as an organization for awhile. Which pandemic forced their hands to do it? None that I recall.

In a similar PR move, US govt said that no more Gain of Function research in china. Closing the barn door after Chinese have gained. Certainly no debates within US about why US was doing any research with communists to begin with and holding people responsible who made such decisions.

Whatever we needed to know, we found out when US and India banned flights from China. That said all that was needed to be said. Nothing else would come out unless there's some WikiLeaks like incident.
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/26/china/ch ... -+World%29
Ambassador denied entry as Australian writer faces China espionage trial
Story by Reuters, May 26, 2021

Beijing-Australia's ambassador to China was denied entry to a heavily guarded Beijing court on Thursday where the espionage case against Australian blogger Yang Hengjun will be heard at a time of worsening ties between the two nations.
Graham Fletcher, Australia's ambassador to China, attempted to enter the Beijing No. 2 Intermediate People's Court in line with a two-way consular pact.
"Unfortunately we have just been denied entry to the court. The reason given was because of the pandemic situation but the foreign ministry has also told us it is because it is a national security case therefore we are not permitted to attend it," Fletcher told reporters outside the court.
"This is deeply regrettable and concerning and unsatisfactory. We have had longstanding concerns about this case, including lack of transparency, and therefore have concluded it is an instance of arbitrary detention."
Details of the case have been shrouded in secrecy, with no information released on which espionage agency Yang is alleged to have acted for. If convicted, Yang faces a jail term of 10 years or more on charges of endangering national security.
Yang is an Australian citizen born in China who was living in New York immediately before he was detained in China.
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Re-Checking Your Pulse: Updates on Chinese APT Actors Compromising Pulse Secure VPN Devices
https://www.fireeye.com/blog/threat-res ... vices.html
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This blog post is intended to provide an update on our findings, give additional recommendations to network defenders, and discuss potential implications for U.S.-China strategic relations.
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Suspected Chinese hackers exploited Pulse Secure VPN to compromise 'dozens' of agencies and companies in US and Europe
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/20/politics ... index.html
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Rsatchi wrote:Natasha ever was ...
Traditionally Ivan, IIRC, which is equivalent to Uncle Sam or John Bull or abdul [(of pakhanastan).
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From The National Interest: We Know China's Worst Nightmare: Arm Taiwan With Nuclear Weapons
Here’s What You Need to Remember: It would have been one of the greatest crises of postwar Asia: the revelation of a Taiwanese atomic bomb. For Taiwan, the bomb would have evened the odds against a numerically superior foe. For China, a bomb would have been casus belli, justification for an attack on the island country it considered a rogue province. Active from the 1960s to the 1980s, Taipei’s efforts to develop nuclear weapons were finally abandoned due to diplomatic pressure by its most important ally, the United States.

Taiwan’s nuclear program goes back to 1964 when the People’s Republic of China tested its first nuclear device. The test was not exactly a surprise to outside observers, but it was still Taiwan’s nightmare come true. Chinese and Taiwanese air and naval forces occasionally skirmished, and it threatened to turn into an all-out war. Suddenly Taipei was confronted with the possibility that such a war could turn nuclear. Even just one nuclear device detonated on an island the size of Maryland would have devastating consequences for the civilian population.

From Taiwan’s perspective, a nuclear arsenal would be the ultimate guarantor of national sovereignty. Even if the United States split with the country, as it eventually did, Taiwanese nukes would keep the Chinese People’s Liberation Army at bay, a deterrent not only against Chinese nuclear power, but against conventional forces as well. In hindsight, this would have had a good chance of success, as North Korea’s own procurement of nuclear weapons has made the United States and South Korea reluctant to retaliate over the country’s various military provocations.

The Taiwanese bomb program began in 1967, using the Chung-Shan Institute of Science and Technology’s Institute for Nuclear Energy Research as a cover. In 1969, Canada sold the country a heavy-water nuclear research reactor as a prelude to what it hoped were commercial energy-producing reactor sales—none too soon, as the Trudeau government recognized the People’s Republic of China in 1970. The reactor, known as the Taiwan Research Reactor, went critical in 1973, and Taiwan set about creating a stockpile of weapons-grade plutonium.

Taiwan’s nuclear program was under careful surveillance by the United States, which recognized Taiwan as the rightful Chinese government and protected the country from the mainland. Still, Washington was afraid a Taiwanese bomb would unnecessarily enrage China, and by 1966 took steps to prevent the bomb from happening. Washington ensured that Taiwanese reactors fell under International Atomic Energy Agency guidelines, which would prevent the diversion of nuclear fuel for the purposes of building a weapon.

But the entire point of the program was to build a weapon, and it was inevitable that Taiwan would be caught in the act. In 1975, the CIA reported, “Taipei conducts its small nuclear program with a weapon option clearly in mind, and it will be in a position to fabricate a nuclear device after five years or so.” At this point, the United States, Germany, France, Norway and Israel had all supplied assistance. The program had procured heavy water from America and uranium from South Africa.

In 1976–77, the IAEA inspected the activities at the military-run Institute for Nuclear Energy Research. The IAEA discovered discrepancies in the Taiwanese program, and in 1976, the United States protested the nuclear-weapons program. In response, the island government promised to “henceforth not engage in any activities relating to reprocessing.”

Despite the promise, in 1977 the United States again detected suspicious activities at INER. The U.S. State Department demanded changes to Taiwan’s research program that were more in line with peaceful research than nuclear weapons but stopped short of demanding Taiwan cease all nuclear research and development. In 1978 the United States yet again detected a covert program, this time a secret uranium-reprocessing program, and forced Taiwan to stop.

After being caught in the act many times, Taiwan’s nuclear weapons program went into a period of dormancy. In the mid-1980s, the program was started up again, and INER was detected building a uranium-reprocessing facility that violated the commitments Taiwan made in the 1970s. In December 1987, Col. Chang Hsien-yi, the deputy director of INER and a longtime CIA asset, defected to the United States with proof of Taiwan’s nuclear program. The previously top-secret material was used to confront the Taiwanese government, which ended its nuclear program once and for all in 1988. At the time of Colonel Chang’s defection, Taiwan is thought to have been just one or two years away from a bomb.

What kind of bomb was Taiwan attempting to develop? Two possibilities are low-yield tactical nuclear weapons and a higher-yield city killer. A tactical nuclear weapon would be useful to target the mainland ports, airfields and headquarters driving a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. While that wouldn’t initially be of much help on the invasion beachheads, it might bring the logistics supporting such an invasion to a halt. This tactical nuke would probably have been delivered by the Ching Feng, a.k.a. the “Green Bee,” a short-range tactical missile that bore an uncanny resemblance to the U.S.-made Lance missile. There are rumors the missile was actually of Israeli origin, having been drawn from stocks supplied by the United States, or developed based on Lance technology.

Another, far worse possibility is that Taiwan could have developed a larger, city-killing bomb. This could have been used to threaten Beijing directly, trading the destruction of one government for another, and would have been a more useful deterrent. Still, the 1,800-mile distance it would take to deliver a nuke on Beijing was at the time as insurmountable as the Taiwan Strait itself. Not even Israel had the technology to assist in developing long-range missiles or aircraft to deliver such a nuke.

Taiwan’s nuclear weapons program, although understandable, was ill-considered. A Taiwanese-Chinese nuclear standoff would have destabilized the entire region—ironic, considering Taiwan was seeking nuclear weapons to stabilize its defense posture. There was really no military dilemma that Taiwanese nuclear weapons would have decisively solved; any strike would have only been made worse by the inevitable Chinese nuclear counterattack.
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It would be irresponsible for Taiwan not to have a bomb in the basement. Stop the charade.
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sanjaykumar wrote:It would be irresponsible for Taiwan not to have a bomb in the basement. Stop the charade.
Indeed, if porkies can get green painted mijjiles and nukes from China, it's high time India gave the Taiwanese nukes in exchange for semiconductor tech
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They don't need Indian technology but can use the enriched Uranium, plutonium, tritium, possibly fusing technology. If India has any sense there is Taiwanese money and engineering helping with the hypersonics programs and not just Israeli and Russian.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/s ... 1244389381

(Global Times account)
My post published on Chinese social media: As the US is crazily implementing containment strategy toward China, China must intensify building its nuclear deterrence. Here is the translation.

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https://www.defencexp.com/no-de-escalat ... -naravane/
No De-escalation Without Complete Disengagement In Ladakh: Gen Naravane
Shankul Bhandare, May 30, 2021

In a clear and unambiguous message to China, Army Chief Gen MM Naravane on Friday said there can be no de-escalation without complete disengagement at all friction points in eastern Ladakh and that the Indian Army is prepared for all contingencies in the region.
In an exclusive interview to PTI, Gen Naravane said India is dealing with China in a “firm” and “non-escalatory” manner to ensure the sanctity of its claims in eastern Ladakh, and that it was even open to initiating confidence-building measures.
It has been more than a year since the military standoff between the two sides erupted in eastern Ladakh on May 5 during which there were fatalities on both sides for the first time in 45 years. They have made limited progress in achieving disengagement at the Pangong lake area while negotiations for similar steps at other points remained deadlocked.
Gen Naravane asserted that the Indian Army is currently holding onto all important areas in the high-altitude region of Ladakh and it has adequate personnel in the form of “reserves” to react to any contingencies.
“We are very clear that no de-escalation can take place before disengagement at all friction points. India and China have signed a number of border agreements which have been unilaterally breached by the People’s Liberation Army(PLA),” Gen Naravane said. “Though we want peace and tranquillity at the Line of Actual Control (LAC) and are open to initiating confidence-building measures, we remain prepared for all contingencies.” He also said the situation along the northern border is under control and that the coming rounds of military talks with China will focus on restoring the status quo ante of April 2020.
“Indian Army is very clear that no loss of territory or unilateral change in status quo will be permitted. We are dealing with the Chinese in a firm and non-escalatory way, ensuring the sanctity of our claims in eastern Ladakh,” he said.
To a question on when a resolution of the standoff can be expected in areas like Hot Springs, Gogra and Depsang, the Army Chief said it was difficult to predict the timeline. “The Indian Army maintains all protocols and agreements between the two countries while the PLA escalated the situation by utilization of unorthodox weapons and amassing a large number of troops,” he said, in a reference to the Galwan Valley clashes last June.
“Troops are currently holding all important areas and we have adequate troops in the form of ‘reserves’ to react to any contingencies,” the Army Chief added.
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What does this mean in plain English? Did we, or did we not, move back from the heights overlooking Chinese positions in the Kailash Range, that we took control during the night of 29 August?
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