Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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It doesnt get any better than this: :rotfl:

China's Xi Jinping is pushing for a global Covid QR code. He may struggle to convince the world

Hong Kong (CNN)Chinese President Xi Jinping is pushing for a global Covid-19 tracking system using QR codes, to help fast-track international travel and business during the coronavirus pandemic.

China mandated the widespread use of QR-based health certificates earlier this year. The system, which uses an electronic barcode to store a person's travel and health history, has been credited with helping to curb the spread of the virus.
The code issues users with a color code based on their potential exposure to the novel coronavirus. The colors are like traffic lights -- green is safest, then amber and finally red.
Speaking at the virtual G20 leaders' meeting on Saturday, Xi said that to ensure the "smooth functioning" of the world economy during the pandemic, countries needed to coordinate a uniform set of policies and standards, according to state-run news agency Xinhua.
"China has proposed a global mechanism on the mutual recognition of health certificates based on nucleic acid test results in the form of internationally accepted QR codes. We hope more countries will join this mechanism," Xi said
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https://www.ft.com/content/eccb0eab-c99 ... 380a1f6244

Chinese tech companies write off India
Start-ups face huge losses as New Delhi issues fresh bans on Chinese apps

"Last year, Mr Li raised $100m from investors to expand in India, as Club Factory hit the top of India’s download charts and was looking at profitability. He said he saw more opportunity in India than in China’s crowded market, describing it as a “blue sea” for ecommerce."

"Mr Li drafted a letter to the Indian ministry with his lawyer. “Club Factory has invested approx. INR 650 crores ($87.5m) in India to set up critical infrastructure for ecommerce,” he wrote. “We are in no manner engaged in any activity which is prejudicial to [the] sovereignty and integrity of India.”

But he never heard back. Attempts by his legal team to contact the ministry also floundered. “The order came from [Prime Minister Narendra] Modi,” he claimed, adding that the other affected Chinese companies were similarly in the dark about the situation. “We immediately found it was useless to talk to others. Nobody knows,” he said."

"Meanwhile, Mr Li and his team at Club Factory have pivoted to building a new app for Europe and the US. Even if India relaxes the ban, he said he wanted an apology before he re-entered the market."

Any volunteers for sending him an apology?
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There are many from Indian military who are itching to handle apology business as long as Li personally comes and demands such apology.
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I was puzzled as to how an ecommerce outlet could get funded these days in the day of Walmart and Amazon. Until I found this review online. Looks like another effort to dump dubious PRC goods into markets abroad.

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China to build a major dam on Brahmaputra river: Official
PTI Last Updated: Nov 29, 2020, 09:58 PM IST

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 479127.cms


It is like pressing the nuke button. We should oppose it in full throttle.
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China Should Be "Utterly Ashamed": Australian PM Seeks Apology Over Photo - NDTV

Wolf Warrior Zhao Lijian in action yet again. He was a consul in TSP before taking up this assignment in Beijing.
Australia's Prime Minister Scott Morrison said on Monday Canberra is seeking an apology from Beijing about a Tweet containing a false image of an Australian soldier holding the knife to the throat of an Afghan child.

Morrison said Australia was seeking the removal of the "truly repugnant" image posted on Monday by Zhao Lijian, a spokesman at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

"It is utterly outrageous and cannot be justified on any basis... The Chinese government should be utterly ashamed of this post. It diminishes them in the world's eyes," Morrison told media at a press briefing.

He said countries around the world were watching how Beijing responded to tensions in Australia's relationship with China.
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sanjaykumar wrote:Perhaps the Chinese can learn how to run a democracy from the Australians.


Australia is holding its people accountable for overseas deaths. How many chinamen has the CCP slaughtered with impunity? Any tweets from the Chinese foreign ministry to educate us?
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Note also that Twitter has not flagged the post as disputed. Clearest example yet of Twitter being used for Chinese/Pakistani propaganda.
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HaHa!Ha! The Chinko def.min.Wei Finghe,got a right royal snub from the Nepalese govt., refused permission to meet politicos and only the usual " paying respects" to the Pres. and PM,got nowhere. Wei got the upturned " Finghe" , pardon the pun, from the doughty Nepalese. After 10 hrs.Wei rushed to ,of all places,Pak to save face! What really took the cake and his most embarrassing foreign trip ever, was Bangladesh too showing Wei the highway! A dejected Wei who may have been denied by BD the same arrogant demands made to Nepal,cancelled his BD trip and skulked off home saying such things happen,nothing unusual!

The recent news that the PRC is going to dam the Brahmaputra which will have serious repercussions for India and BD,plus the Chinkos building new settlements on or inside Nepalese territory,alarming the Nepalese. The visit of a high-powered Indian delegation to Nepal led by our army chief,Gen.Nsvarane who received a grand welcome and the rank of Hon.Gen., just before the Chinko " Little Finger" arrived , appears to have checkmated the gameplan of the Chinko predator.

Kudos to the govts. of Nepal and B'Desh, may such wisdom continue to be displayed by their leaders and well done Gen.N, and the MEA.
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Lisa wrote:https://www.ft.com/content/eccb0eab-c99 ... 380a1f6244

Chinese tech companies write off India
Start-ups face huge losses as New Delhi issues fresh bans on Chinese apps

"Last year, Mr Li raised $100m from investors to expand in India, as Club Factory hit the top of India’s download charts and was looking at profitability. He said he saw more opportunity in India than in China’s crowded market, describing it as a “blue sea” for ecommerce."

"Mr Li drafted a letter to the Indian ministry with his lawyer. “Club Factory has invested approx. INR 650 crores ($87.5m) in India to set up critical infrastructure for ecommerce,” he wrote. “We are in no manner engaged in any activity which is prejudicial to [the] sovereignty and integrity of India.”

But he never heard back. Attempts by his legal team to contact the ministry also floundered. “The order came from [Prime Minister Narendra] Modi,” he claimed, adding that the other affected Chinese companies were similarly in the dark about the situation. “We immediately found it was useless to talk to others. Nobody knows,” he said."

"Meanwhile, Mr Li and his team at Club Factory have pivoted to building a new app for Europe and the US. Even if India relaxes the ban, he said he wanted an apology before he re-entered the market."

Any volunteers for sending him an apology?
so these Chinese are not doing business at all, but politics for the Gleater grory of Xina? What businessman runs around demanding apologies like this?
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darshan wrote:There are many from Indian military who are itching to handle apology business as long as Li personally comes and demands such apology.
Is that what we are calling it nowadays? :-)
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Reconciliation with the Cheen is picking up speed. Canadian pappu doing the needful. How long will it take the Aussies to fold?

Trudeau declines to comment on possible release of Huawei CFO

U.S. reportedly in talks with Huawei CFO on deal to send her back to China if she admits to wrongdoing
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India's is leasing drones from the US, and while on paper the Indian govt. has "control of the data", it is pretty clear that these drone transmissions will also be recorded by the US. Going by how rapidly the US under Biden is set to kiss and makeup with china, India can assume that using the drone in the North will result in leaking of vital information to the Chinese during times of India/China tensions. Nothing has changed as far as US's India policy is concerned, since the times they funded the pakis to kill Indians with a helping hand from the traitors in the INC who were running the country. Biden wishes "sal mubarak" for Deepavali, is a good indicator of where his head is.

The Biden laptop scandal that was buried by US media and big tech social media, clearly showed that the chinese have Biden by the short and curlies -- Biden was working directly with the chief of Chinese intelligence and his son made 100 million $ with no investment, just like P.Chidambaram's "financial genius" that made Karti so rich.

Biden's butt being owned by the chinese, not to mention all the US companies with their manufacturing in China, will reflect in his China policy. Kissinger's sage warning to make up with China will be heeded. The average american, especially democrat supporters, fully supports China's place as US's main partner in Asia, repeating Hillary's oft quoted "the chinese are only doing what is in their best interests". Apparently, letting loosea pandemic on the world is "just doing what's in their best interest". The mind boggles on encountering such strategeric thought.

US is not a reliable partner when it comes to China, but I am stating the obvious.

India is hedging its bets with multiple naval coalitions of which Quad is just one of them, so the GoI is pretty aware clearly.
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Exclusive: Suspected Chinese spy targeted California politicians

https://www.axios.com/china-spy-califor ... af589.html
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With a Manchurian candidate in place, Chinese are marching forward. Goal is self-reliance in semiconductor technologies in the face of US sanctions. If this becomes successful, they would be able to create an entire ecosystem of semiconductor industry, which includes ability to create, design, and manufacture everything that involves semi tech. Software is next...

Huawei invests in China chip groups as US curbs strangle supplies
Huawei has started investing in emerging Chinese chip companies as the telecoms group accelerates efforts to become self-reliant in semiconductor technologies in the face of US sanctions...
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... witzerland
Details revealed of secret deal that gave Chinese spies free rein in Switzerland
Agents travelled from China at Swiss taxpayers’ expense to interview deportation targets
Helen Davidson in Taipei and Emma Graham-Harrison in London, Wed 9 Dec 2020.

The full text of a secret deal between Switzerland and China that allowed Chinese security officials access to the country at Swiss taxpayers’ expense has been revealed for the first time as the government pushes to renew it.
The five-year “readmission agreement”, which was signed in 2015 and expired on Monday, lays out terms for Chinese agents to travel to Switzerland and interview suspected Chinese nationals that Swiss authorities wished to deport.
Unlike more than 50 similar deals Switzerland has signed with other countries, it was never published by the government and was not even publicly acknowledged until August.
The official English translation of the agreement has been obtained by Safeguard Defenders, an Asia-focused human rights campaign group. It reveals an extraordinary commitment to secrecy within an agreement that had itself been concealed from the public, the group says.
The “experts” from the ministry of public security (MPS) had to be invited on the two-week “missions”, but once the invitation had been issued China could choose its agents without Swiss approval.
They could enter the country without official status, and Switzerland committed to keeping their identity confidential. The reports they produced for Swiss authorities were also kept secret.
Readmission deals are a regular part of international law, but Safeguard Defenders said the 2015 arrangement with Beijing, which was not reciprocal, was of “an entirely different character” from others signed by Switzerland.
The secrecy surrounding both the agreement itself and the work of Chinese agents, the choice of partner – a security super-ministry with extensive remit including police and intelligence services – and even the presence of agents were unusual.
“In only a minority of cases [do other readmission] deals allow for the other party to send representatives to accompany the individual to be returned, and in those cases [the representatives] are limited to that specific activity, and it is a public, official duty being carried out,” Safeguard Defenders said.
The deal was extremely favourable to the Chinese and went above and beyond normal migration information-sharing arrangements, said Margaret Lewis, a law professor at Seton Hall University in the US.
“It strikes me as odd that if it was as low level as someone who was staying in Switzerland illegally, the PRC [People’s Republic of China] would bother sending over officials,” she said. “The incentives [for MPS officials to travel] would likely be people who are … of interest to the PRC government.”
There were no provisions to supervise the agents’ activities beyond their work with Swiss authorities. What is more, because the agents’ unofficial status probably meant they were travelling on tourist visas, they could have had access to the whole Schengen area, said Peter Dahlin, the director of Safeguard Defenders.
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The Chinese had full access to the entire Schengen area for 5 years.
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X-Post from Indian Research in Mil Tech
Vips wrote:DRDO demonstrates quantum communication between 2 labs.

The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) on Wednesday successfully demonstrated communication between its two labs using Quantum Key Distribution (QKD) technology, which is a 'robust' way to share encryption keys, said an official statement.

-snip
In 2017 China showed intercontinental satellite communications, and there is 2000KM quantum encryption capable fibre optic cable between Beijing and Shanghai for military communications. By now they may have rolled it out to the frontlines including the LAC. We need to invest a lot more in this area.

https://www.seeker.com/tech/china-demon ... munication

https://www.brookings.edu/techstream/th ... mpetition/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_E ... pace_Scale
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CCP is quite good at HUMINT espionage and have systematically honey trapped top individuals across all nations including India

https://nypost.com/2020/12/11/chinese-h ... peratives/
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https://www.myind.net/Home/viewArticle/ ... -it-inward
Time to stoke China's Five Instabilities to turn it Inward
LT GEN P R SHANKAR (Retd)
Five Instabilities

Taiwan China wants to gobble up Taiwan to realise its ‘One China’ dream. Look back into history. Long after Chiang Kai Shek, the original Chinese nationalist, retreated to Taiwan (Republic of China) with Kuo Min Tang (KMT), it was known as the real China. If ever CCP becomes shaky, the democratic alternative has to come from Taiwan. Hence, Taiwan threatens PRC and CCP as nothing else. Taiwan is a fully democratic system with the Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) in power and the KMT now in opposition. Keeping this island of democracy alive and strong at the Chinese doorstep largely contains China. Despite fundamental political differences, cross strait investment, businesses and economic ties are strong. Economics, commonality of culture and language provides Taiwan a conduit into China. Overall, expanding political connections and diplomatic relations with Taiwan force PRC and CCP to act irrationally. Presently only 14 countries have formal diplomatic relations with Taiwan and 57 have informal arrangements. This needs to be enlarged. More democracies must establish full relations with Taiwan. On its part, India definitely needs to enlarge the relationship. In a very implicitly explicit manner China needs to be conveyed that the ‘One China’ principle is under derecognition. The moment ‘One China’ is not acceptable unconditionally, China will recalculate.

Xinjiang Xinjiang or East Turkestan was never integral to China. Its autonomy waxed and waned as the Chinese power varied. The people are different and their culture is more Turkic. The region has been restive and unstable for long with sporadic eruptions of violence. Xinjiang is strategically important since it borders the CARs, Afghanistan and Pakistan with the CPEC running through it. Presently it is under the vice like grip of Chinese repression. The U.S. government estimated the PRC has detained more than one million Uighurs, ethnic Kazakhs, Hui, and members of other Muslim groups, as well as some Uighur Christians, in specially built internment camps or converted detention facilities in Xinjiang and subjected them to forced disappearance, political indoctrination, torture, psychological and physical and psychological abuse, including forced sterilization and sexual abuse, forced labour, and prolonged detention without trial because of their religion and ethnicity. Strictly speaking, this area is ripe for a serious rebellion if it gets some outside support through its porous borders. USA has already imposed economic and visa-based sanctions under the Global Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability Act. Supply chains involving Xinjiang forced labour are being curtailed. There is scope to formally investigate Human rights and genocide related abuses in Xinjiang. It is time to stop talking and start acting.

Tibet For long, Tibet was considered as the weakest link of the Chinese firmament. However, Dalai Lama’s Middle Path approach, Indian recognition of Tibet as part of China in 2003 and other religious, socio cultural and economic issues have given China a relatively upper hand in the past few decades. China is now embarking on a massive program to solidify Tibet in the communist mould, tinker with Buddhism and replicate the Xinjiang model here. The Tibetan Government in exile in India and a change of strategic calculations could catapult Tibet into centre stage to bring China to heel. However, USA and India must take a conscious decision to do so. USA has already initiated action by appointing a special representative for Tibet. How that will be followed up will depend upon the incoming Biden administration. On India’s part the hesitation is twofold. Firstly, there is apprehension that any meddling by India in Tibet will lead to China returning the favour in the North East, J&K, Bhutan and Nepal. However, China is already meddling in our affairs in these areas and beyond in our innards. The degree of nuisance can go up only by a notch. On the other hand, the relative instability will increase in China – spatially and temporally will be extensive. The second aspect is legal. There is an Indian opinion that raking up Tibet will tantamount to nullifying the 2003 agreement and it will lead to Sikkim not being recognised as a part of India by China. Well. For China 2003 agreement has no value like all other agreements. That explains the aggression in Eastern Ladakh. When we recognised Tibet as part of China there was no South Tibet claim. Their claim on Arunachal Pradesh started after that. In doing so, the 2003 agreement stands violated as it is. Also, Mao’s palm and finger theory, which is actively propagated and discussed now (surely by the Chinese propaganda machinery) suggests that China wants Sikkim, Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh one way or the other: the 2003 understanding be damned. Hence it is perfectly legal to, rake up Tibet as not part of China. Once that step is taken, the rest will follow and options open up. The political decision is first. In my opinion it is inevitable. How to incrementally play it up and the methodologies to be adopted are a matter of detail.

Inner Mongolia Restiveness in Inner Mongolia is a recent phenomenon. China is actively suppressing native languages and culture in ethnic Mongolian regions of China and trying to destroy Mongolian culture. Its new education policy envisages replacement of the Mongolian language with Mandarin as the medium of instruction in schools. Mongolian will be relegated to just a language subject. Huge protests erupted in Inner Mongolia against this with thousands of students and their parents undertaking a regionwide civil disobedience campaign. Heavy deployment of PLA was resorted to. This sentiment found resonance in Ulan Bator too. Secondly, Mongolians resist conscription and do not want to join the PLA. This view has not surfaced officially. It very clearly indicates that Mongolians and other minorities do not identify themselves as Chinese nationals at the core. So, is there a movement for a larger Mongolian region on the cards in future? Worth exploring.

Hong Kong Hong Kong and democratic protests are publicised enough and well known. China has politically subverted democracy and usurped Hong Kong when the world was busy fighting the Wuhan Virus. Prising Hong Kong out of China’s grip is well-nigh impossible now. However, it can be made the symbol of Chinese oppression and a testimony of Chinese scant regard to an international rules-based order. It will be very useful in Lawfare against China.
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tandav wrote:CCP is quite good at HUMINT espionage and have systematically honey trapped top individuals across all nations including India

https://nypost.com/2020/12/11/chinese-h ... peratives/
You need a pool of women that men find attractive for this work. This works far better among goras than desis in my opinion since there is an aversion to "chinkies" in India. Besides, chini women would stick out like a sore thumb in India. I truly doubt there are many honey-trapped in Bharat. Now, Natasha on the other hand ...
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^^ You are assuming they will only use Chinese women to honey trap Indians. What is stopping them from using Indian women as bait?
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sanjayc wrote:^^ You are assuming they will only use Chinese women to honey trap Indians. What is stopping them from using Indian women as bait?
Unlikely, since they would need to trap Indian women to trap Indian men. At some point the handler would need to be chini. The kill chain would be too fragile to be used on a wide scale if it were full of foreign nationals. Honey traps from Cheen are done with chini females. From America with Amreeki women. From Russ with Natashas.

I would think that in order to honey trap with other nations' female you need men with extreme GAME. Maybe Italians or French can possibly do this. But Chinese men highly unlikely.
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I would rather sell myself for money.
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chola wrote:
tandav wrote:CCP is quite good at HUMINT espionage and have systematically honey trapped top individuals across all nations including India

https://nypost.com/2020/12/11/chinese-h ... peratives/
You need a pool of women that men find attractive for this work. This works far better among goras than desis in my opinion since there is an aversion to "chinkies" in India. Besides, chini women would stick out like a sore thumb in India. I truly doubt there are many honey-trapped in Bharat. Now, Natasha on the other hand ...
Most people have no idea how many of our babus get into sticky honey while vacaying in Singapore, HK or Bangkok.... :roll:
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Kati wrote:
chola wrote:
You need a pool of women that men find attractive for this work. This works far better among goras than desis in my opinion since there is an aversion to "chinkies" in India. Besides, chini women would stick out like a sore thumb in India. I truly doubt there are many honey-trapped in Bharat. Now, Natasha on the other hand ...
Most people have no idea how many of our babus get into sticky honey while vacaying in Singapore, HK or Bangkok.... :roll:
Yes... the modus operandi is set the honey trap outside India in the middle east and ASEAN
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tandav wrote:
Kati wrote:
Most people have no idea how many of our babus get into sticky honey while vacaying in Singapore, HK or Bangkok.... :roll:
Yes... the modus operandi is set the honey trap outside India in the middle east and ASEAN
It starts with Facebook. There are a surprising number of men who believe that a very attractive and much younger woman from abroad is suddenly interested in connecting.
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https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... M6UWK.html
Indian defence forces to stock weapons, ammo for 15-day intense war
Making use of the extended stocking requirements and the emergency financial powers in the ongoing conflict with China in Eastern Ladakh, the defence forces are expected to spend over Rs 50,000 crore for acquisition of equipment and ammunition from both local and foreign sources.
Asian News International | Prashasti Singh Dec 13, 2020.

In the middle of a conflict with China, India has taken a significant step by authorising the defence forces to enhance their stocking of weapons and ammunition for a 15-day intense war now.
Making use of the extended stocking requirements and the emergency financial powers in the ongoing conflict with China in Eastern Ladakh, the defence forces are expected to spend over Rs 50,000 crore for acquisition of equipment and ammunition from both local and foreign sources.
The authorisation to increase the weapon and ammunition reserves to minimum 15-I levels from the earlier existing 10-day stocking is to prepare the defence forces for a two-front war with both China and Pakistan.
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chola wrote: You need a pool of women that men find attractive for this work. This works far better among goras than desis in my opinion since there is an aversion to "chinkies" in India. Besides, chini women would stick out like a sore thumb in India. I truly doubt there are many honey-trapped in Bharat. Now, Natasha on the other hand ...
chola, you are just back from a long ban and already on the verge of a permanent ban for following list of reasons:

1) racist terms, foul language and contents in posts that has no place in this forum
2) 2 open warnings from different admins
3) 3 one-month bans in past six months from different admins, causes ranging from thread derailment to racism
4) posting endless propaganda news for PLA while at the same time dissing GoI/Indian military.

Still you are persisting with same approach.
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^^^ I will moderate myself, Hnair ji. I've been here for decades. I don't think I've changed. Maybe I need to get with the times.

As for racism, I have a Chinese-American wife and two children. I am hardly a racist. Those terms were never considered "racist" in desi culture before unlike that term in Anglo culture.

It is easy for me to drop posting anything about the PLA. Chini mil watching is just a side hobby.

Anyways, Sir, I'll change. I don't want to be banned with all the projects I could only dream about two decades ago coming to fruition.
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Chola, I am curious. What are these projects?
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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sanjaykumar wrote:Chola, I am curious. What are these projects?
The core projects that drove BRF (and all Indian defense forums) back then were:

1. LCA (by FAR the most popular topic), back then it was the LCA and only the LCA when we dealt with planes -- today we have its direct descendants MK1A, MWF, NCLA, TEDBF. We could never imagine that we would have these riches today!

2. Next Carrier after Viraat/Vikrant -- today we have Vikramaditya (Gorshkov) and IAC1 (new Vikrant) online and coming; Vishal (IAC2) of course would be ground shaking!

3. For the IA, it was the Arjun back then. MKII, the new 1500HP engine and the FMBT are big projects today that were spun off of that.

So many others to list:
P15B
P17A
AMCA
MRTT
DRDO AEW&CS
DRDO AWACS

We are in a golden age of projects.
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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I know. For those of us who kept the faith.
There were many who fell by the wayside in frustration.
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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sanjaykumar wrote:I know. For those of us who kept the faith.
There were many who fell by the wayside in frustration.
Yes, Bhai. Many are no longer here from those days. It's been a long journey for this dinosaur :)
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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UK and China: how the love affair faded

Talks about the spat between UK and Cheen but imo relevant here because of the way UK's thinking evolved to realize the chinese threat. I'll quote some interesting excerpts:
In a lecture given to Policy Exchange, Matthew Pottinger, Donald Trump’s chief adviser on China, drew a sinister portrait. “The party’s overseas propaganda has two consistent themes: ‘We own the future, so make your adjustments now.’ And: ‘We’re just like you, so try not to worry.’ Together, these assertions form the elaborate con at the heart of all Leninist movements.”
But Dearlove kicks back, arguing there is something sinister about China’s methods. He cites three Chinese maxims. “Kill with a borrowed sword – that is, get what you can. Loot a burning house – bear that in mind in terms of taking advantage of the current pandemic. The third one is hide a knife behind a smile.”
China, he says, assembled an influence network in the UK. It “recruited a whole group of leading British business and political figures into that group who were designated cheerleaders for a burgeoning relationship with China.
Concludes by saying:
Britain will also be cautious because it does not want to be left beached on the high tide of Trumpian anti-Chinese rhetoric only to find that tide went out with Joe Biden’s election. Biden is, at a minimum, likely to take a less aggressive unilateral sanctions-based approach to trade, and it is not yet clear if his planned alliance of democratic nations will be explicitly anti-Chinese.

If the Biden administration is interested in re-stabilising the US-China relationship, the UK is likely to want to be in the slipstream of this process, probably using the climate change agenda as the way back in.
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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chola wrote:^^^ I will moderate myself, Hnair ji. I've been here for decades. I don't think I've changed. Maybe I need to get with the times.

As for racism, I have a Chinese-American wife and two children. I am hardly a racist. Those terms were never considered "racist" in desi culture before unlike that term in Anglo culture.

It is easy for me to drop posting anything about the PLA. Chini mil watching is just a side hobby.

Anyways, Sir, I'll change. I don't want to be banned with all the projects I could only dream about two decades ago coming to fruition.
I have enjoyed and learnt from your posts. It would be a pity if you let your feelings get the better of you and get banned at BRF in the process.
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 147_1.html
Trump signs bill that could remove Chinese stocks from US markets
The measure, which could affect corporate giants like Alibaba Group Holding Ltd. and Baidu Inc., serves as another parting shot at Beijing before Trump leaves office in January
Jordan Fabian | Bloomberg, December 19, 2020

President Donald Trump on Friday signed legislation that could kick Chinese companies off of U.S. exchanges unless American regulators can review their financial audits, a move likely to further escalate tensions between the two countries.
The measure, which could affect corporate giants like Alibaba Group Holding Ltd. and Baidu Inc., serves as another parting shot at Beijing before Trump leaves office in January.
The president has long railed against China for what he calls unfair trading practices, and slapped tariffs on billions of dollars in imports. But his rhetoric sharpened this year as he blamed Beijing for the global coronavirus pandemic -- a central issue in his electoral loss to Joe Biden as Trump was widely criticized for his handling of the outbreak.
The de-listing law won bipartisan support in the House early this month after easily clearing the U.S. Senate in May. While it applies to any foreign company, the bill’s sponsors have said their goal was to target China.
Chinese firms for years have used American capital markets and dollar-based finance as a key funding component to grow their businesses. While the measure includes a phase-in period, with penalties kicking in after three straight years of noncompliance, it could impose real damage on Chinese companies that fail to meet the audit standards. “U.S. policy is letting China flout rules that American companies play by, and it’s dangerous,” Republican Senator John Kennedy of Louisiana, a lead sponsor of the new law, said in a statement.
Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying told reporters in Beijing after passage of the House bill that China was “against politicizing securities regulation” and urged cooperation to protect investors’ rights. “It will undermine global investors’ confidence in the U.S. capital markets and will undermine the U.S. capital markets’ global standing and hurt U.S. interests,” Hua said.
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Before heading out the door, Trump should officially do something to have the chinese virus really go into history as what it's instead of covid-19 moniker.
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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Remind me of those dark days of jungle-raj of 80's and 90''s in West Bengal under the Left Front government . . .

China Faces Power Cuts Thanks to Aussie Coal Ban
There are power cuts across numerous Chinese cities where local authorities can't keep the street lights on and are forcing factories to close.
By ALEX FREW MCMILLAN Dec 21, 2020 | 08:53 AM EST

https://realmoney.thestreet.com/investi ... _ven=YAHOO

Large swaths of China have been experiencing power cuts in recent weeks as a result of the decision by Beijing to ban imports of Australian coal. A couple of lockdown conversations over the weekend lay these tensions bare.

My wife, a graphic designer, fashions a line of custom pet tags, called Bashtags. She gets these produced in China, of course, across the border from us here in Hong Kong.

Yesterday she told me her supply has been cut off these last few days. One center of production is in Yiwu, a Chinese city famous for making low-priced plastic trinkets: plastic flowers, plastic flags, plastic badges. You name it, they'll make it.

It normally takes less than a week for a Bashtags shipment to arrive. Two weeks after my wife placed her latest production order, she is still waiting. There's no word from the supplier as to why they can't deliver, literally, on what they've pledged to produce.

They can't, because the power is shut off. The Yiwu government has ordered factories to idle. It has slashed working hours by as much as 80% until the end of the year, and ordered the smallest factories to shut down altogether. The city has also turned all the street lights off at night.

The power cuts came to Guangdong yesterday, the country's richest province, and biggest center of production. The city of Shenzhen - known as the "Silicon Valley" of China - as well as 14.9 million-person provincial capital Guangzhou, and the industrial cities of Dongguan, Zhongshan and Zhuhai all lost power to varying degrees. For some citizens, the water supply shut off at midnight.

In Hunan Province, the government says its agencies will cut their electricity use, and half of the province's street lights will be turned off at night to tackle the "tightening" power supply. In Changsha, the provincial capital, high-rise buildings can't keep their elevators operating. Workers have sometimes been forced to climb 20 floors to their offices.

More than a dozen Chinese cities have started rationing electricity use. An executive at China Huadian Power (HK:1071), one of its largest energy companies, tells the Financial Times that "many local power plants depend on Australian coal due to its higher efficiency, and now they are having trouble finding an alternative." This comes just as energy use is accelerating, with the economy kicking into gear.

The excuse varies. In Guangdong, people complaining to hotlines were told there was a technical problem, a grid failure. In Yiwu, the factories are being told it's all in the name of the greater green good, "to save energy and reduce emissions," a manager of a plastic factory tells the Apple Daily tabloid. His factory was told to run for two days, then close for two days, or risk a fine and having its power turned off altogether until New Year's Day. Diesel generators, which are worse for the environment, are flying off the shelves so factories can keep working in secret.

The Chinese authorities say they have entered a "wartime state" with electricity consumption. They partly blame a snap of very cold weather. Those explanations are all lies. It's a wartime state from a self-inflicted trade war, rather than boots on the ground.

China has power cuts because it relies on high-quality Australian coal to power its latest generation of coal power plants. The Aussie coal is better quality than anything China can produce itself or get from other sources, like Indonesia, which says it can't pick up production until into the new year, anyway.

Australia accounts for 57% of total coal imported into China. That helps generate 1.6% of all of China's power. But around 10% of the thermal coal used for power in the most-developed provinces comes from Australia, due to its quality.

China last week banned imports of coal from Australia. It has also punished Aussie imports of wine, lobster, barley, copper, sugar and timber.

It's common for China (and other nations, the United States for that matter) to target luxury consumer goods like wine and lobster. They're hardly essential, and high-profile. Any trade action against them grabs headlines without doing any serious economic damage outside those industries.

I was very surprised to see commodities such as coal, copper and timber on the list. China needs those things to drive its economic growth. They are not sexy top-of-mind imports that line the grocery-store shelves. They're gritty goods that come in huge container ships and head into heavy industry, "inputs" that we the people don't see until we get an end product.

My other conversation over the weekend was a FaceTime chat with my sister and her family who live in Sydney.

What do we make of Prime Minister Scott Morrison's meltdown over the Chinese tweet depicting a mocked-up Aussie soldier holding a knife to an Afghan youth's throat, they wondered. I said that while Morrison seemed a little schoolmarm-ish, he was right to push back.

But I think he missed out on the opportunity to call China out on its own reckoning of Chinese wrongs. The information on alleged war crimes committed by Aussie troops in Afghanistan comes, after all, from the Australian government itself, and its report on the conduct of its own forces.

Where is that kind of accounting from China? A country that still has not recognized what happened in the Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989, and routinely covers up its own human-rights abuses, has little in the way of a leg to stand on when it calls other nations out. We still do not know something as simple as how many Chinese troops died in June when they clashed with Indian soldiers high in the Himalayas, or whether any Chinese soldiers were disciplined for escalating the fight.

Australians quite rightly hope that the latest spat with China over coal will wean Australia off the black stuff. Yes, this will be painful for the mining industry, my brother-in-law, who works in headhunting for heavy industry, says. But employment in that sector is a fraction of what it once was. The mining lobby in Australia is far too powerful, he believes, and the country would be better off encouraging 21st century industries than making its fortune digging things out of the ground.

Global coal demand likely peaked in 2013, according to the International Energy Agency (IEA). It's a dying industry. The Australian government forecasts that Australia's coal exports will have fallen by half in two years, from A$70 billion (US$47 billion) for the year through June 2019 to A$36.7 billion (US$25 billion) in the year through June 2021, the end of Australia's fiscal year.

But they had already fallen by 20.1% before China's coal ban. Global coal consumption fell 7% between 2018 and 2020, an unprecedented drop since IEA records began in 1971. Coal has been in structural decline for years in the United States and the European Union, the agency says.

Coal demand is even plateauing in fast-growing China, the only major economy to post growth this year. So the China ban is ripping the Band-Aid off the Australian coal industry.

The Japanese owners of Australia's newest coal-fired power plant have reportedly just written off the value of their entire investment, thanks to dimming prospects for coal. Sumitomo Corp. (SSUMY) and Kansai Electric Power (KAEPF) each own half of the Bluewaters power plant in Western Australia, built in 2009 and which they bought for A$1.2 billion (US$812 million) in 2011. By their most recent corporate accounts, Bluewaters is now worthless.

If Australia wants to retaliate against China, it should restrict exports of iron ore, my brother-in-law says. It is the top exporter of both iron ore and coal into China. Chinese steel mills would grind to a halt.

The spat started when Australia suggested there should be an independent investigation into the origins of the coronavirus. It has been exacerbated by Aussie efforts to stop political interference from China in its own system. China has responded with a leaked list of 14 grievances, including what Beijing says is Australia's "incessant wanton interference in China's Xinjiang, Hong Kong and Taiwan affairs," as well as Australia's decision to ban the Chinese telecoms Huawei Technologies and ZTE (ZTCOF) from its 5G network.

Australia says it is simply holding China to account for values it insists on everywhere. So this political tussle looks set to run and run. Australia could do with some diplomatic backup since China is able to isolate it and punish it economically. For now, both a China stricken by power cuts and an Australia where exporters are scared for 2021 are feeling the pain.
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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Any way the Aussie Govt will sell this coal at a discount which India can stockpile and use for future Generation at cheaper prices, similarly some cheap Iron ore and cheap used steel. China should export its excess steel at scrap prices to India, copper etc.
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