Understanding the US- Again

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby g.sarkar » 11 Jun 2018 03:24

Slightly old, apologize if posted:
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/no ... 098227.ece
No longer seeing eye to eye?
Suhasini HaiderJUNE 07, 2018 00:15 IST
With India recalibrating its relations with other powers, the India-U.S. equation is not quite balancing out
At his speech at the Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore last week, billed as a major foreign policy statement, Prime Minister Narendra Modi spoke of India and the U.S.’s “shared vision” of an open and secure Indo-Pacific region. Yet his words differed so much from those of U.S. Defence Secretary James Mattis, who spoke at the same event, that it seemed clear that New Delhi and Washington no longer see eye-to-eye on this issue, and several others as well.
Oceanic gulf
To begin with, Mr. Modi referred to the Indo-Pacific, a term coined by the U.S. for the Indian and Pacific Oceans region, as a natural geographical region, not a strategic one, while Mr. Mattis called the Indo-Pacific a “priority theatre” and a “subset of [America’s] broader security strategy” for his military command, now renamed the Indo-Pacific Command. While Mr. Modi referred to India’s good relations with the U.S., Russia and China in equal measure, Mr. Mattis vowed to counter China’s moves in the Indo-Pacific, and referred to the U.S. National Defence Strategy released this January, which puts both China and Russia in its crosshairs as the world’s two “revisionist powers”.The divergence in their positions, admittedly, are due more to a shift in New Delhi’s position over the past year than in the U.S.’s, when Mr. Modi and President Donald Trump met at the White House. A year ago, the Modi government seemed clear in its intention to counter China’s growing clout in its neighbourhood, especially post-Doklam, challenge the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), and back a Quadrilateral grouping of India, the U.S., Japan and Australia to maintain an open Indo-Pacific. Today, the Doklam issue has been buried, the BRI isn’t as much a concern as before, and the government’s non-confrontational attitude to the Maldives and Nepal indicates a softened policy on China in the neighbourhood. Meanwhile, Mr. Modi now essays a closer engagement with Chinese President Xi Jinping and a relationship reset with China after the Wuhan meeting.
The Quad formation, which is holding its second official meeting today in Singapore, has also been given short shrift. India rejected an Australian request to join maritime exercises along with the U.S. and Japan this June, and Navy Chief Admiral Sunil Lanba said quite plainly last month that there was no plan to “militarise” the Quad. Contrast this with India’s acceptance of military exercises with countries of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO), the Russia-China led grouping it will join this week in Qingdao, and one can understand some of the confusion in Washington. Pentagon officials, who had come to accept India’s diffidence on signing outstanding India-U.S. foundational agreements, are now left scratching their heads as India publicly enters the international arena in the corner with Russia and China, while proclaiming its intention to continue energy deals with Iran and Venezuela in defiance of American sanctions.
Era of summits
In a world where summits between leaders have replaced grand strategy, the optics are even clearer. Mr. Modi will have met Mr. Xi and Russian President Vladimir Putin four-five times each by the end of the year, if one counts informal and formal summits, as well as meetings at the SCO, BRICS and G-20. In contrast, nearly half the year has gone in just scheduling the upcoming 2+2 meet of Indian and U.S. Ministers of Defence and Foreign Affairs. Trade protectionism is clearly the other big point of divergence between India and the U.S., which have in recent months taken each other to the World Trade Organisation on several issues. There has been a surge in disputes between the two countries: on the new American steel and aluminium tariffs, the proposed cuts in H1B professional visas and cancellation of H4 spouse visas, on India’s tariffs and resistance to U.S. exports of dairy and pork products, on Indian price reductions on medical devices, and Reserve Bank of India rules on data localisation on Indian servers for U.S. companies.
The row over Harley-Davidson motorcycles is a case in point, where what should have been a small chink in the relationship has ended up denting the discourse quite seriously. When Mr. Trump announced to Harley executives and union representatives in February last year that he would stop countries “taking advantage” of them, no one in New Delhi paid much attention. Over the year, Mr. Trump grew more vocal in this demand, including twice during meetings with Mr. Modi in Washington and Manila, calling for India to scrap its 75-100% tariffs, given that the U.S. imposes zero tariffs on the import of Indian Royal Enfield motorcycles. Mr. Modi tried to accommodate U.S. concerns, and even called Mr. Trump on February 8 this year to tell him that tariffs were about to be cut to 50%. But after Mr. Trump divulged the contents of their conversation publicly, trade talks were driven into a rut. Officials in Washington still say that if India were to slash its rates, it would see major benefits in other areas of commerce, while officials in New Delhi say that with Mr. Trump having gone public with Mr. Modi’s offer, it would be impossible to back down any further. In fact, a new cess has taken tariffs back up to 70%.The biggest challenges to a common India-U.S. vision are now emerging from the new U.S. law called Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act and the U.S.’s withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal with the threat of more secondary sanctions. Both actions have a direct impact on India, given its high dependence on defence hardware from Russia and its considerable energy interests in Iran.
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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby hanumadu » 11 Jun 2018 07:54

Singha wrote:let us see if he really brings ZTE back to life. so far its just expression of intent. ZTE is a global giant with 75,000 staff and presence in every developing market bar none and EU. they also sell cellphones in massa, albeit not telecom network infra gear.
they are not a changu mangu manufacturer but a co with a deep technology base....hence a key strategic asset in Peking's pack of national champions.


Can't ZTE source its components from some where else? Other than chips, what components would it need from the west that China cannot produce by itself?

Semiconductor and jet engine technology are probably the final frontiers of technology for India and China.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Singha » 11 Jun 2018 08:26

Mediatek is taiwan and govt has approved its export to zte who can no longer use snapdragon

Huawei has kirin but does not share with zte

Samsung has exynos but for its own use only

Apple has its Ax family for own use only

Thats about the options in phone soc chips

Replacing snapdragon with mediatek will be ok for midrange phones but loss of perf at high end and retesting will take its time

The impact on zte telecom hardware business could be more because both intel and amd could be barred from selling x86. Baki to aur koi option hai nahi

Dont underestimate khan hold on sw it could bar google from letting zte use android :rotfl: and msft from selling windows

Also open src is not open because cos like hortonworks, red hat et al who develop and support open src could all be barred. Zte would have to pay some sinic co to fork and maintain their own tree and periodically patch in upstream changes

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby pravula » 11 Jun 2018 08:35

Singha wrote:Mediatek is taiwan and govt has approved its export to zte who can no longer use snapdragon

Huawei has kirin but does not share with zte

Samsung has exynos but for its own use only

Apple has its Ax family for own use only

Thats about the options in phone soc chips

Replacing snapdragon with mediatek will be ok for midrange phones but loss of perf at high end and retesting will take its time

The impact on zte telecom hardware business could be more because both intel and amd could be barred from selling x86. Baki to aur koi option hai nahi

Dont underestimate khan hold on sw it could bar google from letting zte use android :rotfl: and msft from selling windows

Also open src is not open because cos like hortonworks, red hat et al who develop and support open src could all be barred. Zte would have to pay some sinic co to fork and maintain their own tree and periodically patch in upstream changes


They are all still ARM processors and ARM IP.

Android is not fully open source. There are blobs of device firmware (modem, camera etc) which will not be shared.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby UlanBatori » 11 Jun 2018 08:59

Canada's "weak and dishonest" sultan Bin Trudeau claims that because "Canadians stood shoulder to shoulder with Americans" in WW1 onwards, they should not get tariffs.
Er.... I think many more Indians died or were disabled in WW 1, WW2, Korea etc fighting alongside the Bhestern Al-Lies, than Canadians and Australians put together. Does this make Canada welcome desis? Eliminate tariffs?

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby abhik » 11 Jun 2018 09:05

Singha wrote:let us see if he really brings ZTE back to life. so far its just expression of intent. ZTE is a global giant with 75,000 staff and presence in every developing market bar none and EU. they also sell cellphones in massa, albeit not telecom network infra gear.
they are not a changu mangu manufacturer but a co with a deep technology base....hence a key strategic asset in Peking's pack of national champions.


Didn't it get resolved with ZTE agreeing to make changes to it's board/management and paying 1 billion USD (onlee) fine?

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby A_Gupta » 11 Jun 2018 09:06

UlanBatori wrote:Canada's "weak and dishonest" sultan Bin Trudeau claims that because "Canadians stood shoulder to shoulder with Americans" in WW1 onwards, they should not get tariffs.
Er.... I think many more Indians died or were disabled in WW 1, WW2, Korea etc fighting alongside the Bhestern Al-Lies, than Canadians and Australians put together. Does this make Canada welcome desis? Eliminate tariffs?


Umm, the US President raised tariffs on Canadian aluminum and steel citing national security (which is the only grounds on which he can raise tariffs without involving the US Congress). Canada doesn't pose a national security threat to the US - which is what the "Canadians stood shoulder to shoulder...." is referring to; Canadians have served in many of the recent American wars.

Anyway, Trump tweeted out the actual reason he raised tariffs, and that is because of Canadian dairy tariffs, not because of national security, so the point is moot; as is habitual the US President lied.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Gus » 11 Jun 2018 09:59

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From teetaar

Merkel: Tell us what Putin has on you and maybe we can help.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Singha » 11 Jun 2018 10:41

abhik wrote:
Singha wrote:let us see if he really brings ZTE back to life. so far its just expression of intent. ZTE is a global giant with 75,000 staff and presence in every developing market bar none and EU. they also sell cellphones in massa, albeit not telecom network infra gear.
they are not a changu mangu manufacturer but a co with a deep technology base....hence a key strategic asset in Peking's pack of national champions.


Didn't it get resolved with ZTE agreeing to make changes to it's board/management and paying 1 billion USD (onlee) fine?


Under the deal, ZTE will change its board and management within 30 days, pay the $1 billion fine and put an additional $400 million in escrow. The deal also includes a new 10-year ban that is suspended unless there are future violations.

^^^ looks like they were forced to "pay tribute" to the eagle lord to be let off the hook....this extreme vulnerability in high end smartphone and desktop/server processors will not be lost on the dragon lord. he will have kicked his uruk-hai awake in the halls of barad-dur and put them to work in the great forges and foundries of morea to fashion the silver silicon weapons of the elves across the sea that holds the balance of power between all realms.

that and the flaming pipes that power the flying eagle horde .... while the nazgul are forced to rely on their underfed and more unreliable dragon steeds

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby abhik » 11 Jun 2018 11:18

^^^
Should be a wake up call for all those who are claiming India doesn't need the US/or watching too many pootin stonk videos. 'mericans hold all the cards - or rather our balls - some gental squeezing will be enough to send us howling.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby g.sarkar » 11 Jun 2018 12:12

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/10/us/p ... korea.html
Escalating Clash With Canada, Trump Is Isolated Before North Korea Meeting
By Peter Baker, June 10, 2018
WASHINGTON — President Trump escalated a bitter clash with some of America’s closest allies on Sunday, lashing out through his advisers at Canada’s prime minister in unusually personal terms and leaving himself with a diplomatic crisis as he arrived in Asia to negotiate a nuclear agreement with North Korea.
A day after Mr. Trump refused to sign a communiqué of the Group of 7 major industrial economies, he and his advisers went on the attack, accusing Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of “betrayal” and a “stab” in the back, even as Canada, Germany and France pushed back against what they called the American president’s “insult” and “inconsistency.”
The exchange left Mr. Trump estranged from America’s partners at the very moment he is about to stride onto the most important world stage he has assumed since taking office. Aides attributed his outburst over the weekend to his feeling undercut as he prepared to meet with the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-un, while critics said he had stiff-armed his friends at the expense of a unified front.
Whether Mr. Kim sees Mr. Trump’s combative approach as a sign of strength or weakness, the rupture with other major powers was sure to shadow the session between the two in Singapore on Tuesday, the first time leaders of the United States and North Korea will have met in person. Mr. Trump’s strategy for pressuring Mr. Kim to give up his nuclear weapons has depended on isolating North Korea, but he arrived in Singapore looking isolated himself. “I’ve never seen anything like this,” said Robert D. Hormats, who advised Republican and Democratic presidents at a dozen Group of 7 summit meetings, starting at the first in Rambouillet, France, in 1975, when it was still the Group of 6.
“The irony is this institution that was designed largely by the United States was really designed to shore up alliances and political relationships and resolve economic issues. This just served to do the opposite of that.”
The latest meeting, held in Canada, was tense amid disputes over trade, security and other issues. But after negotiators for all seven countries crafted a final communiqué that even the reluctant American delegation agreed to, Mr. Trump abruptly lashed out on Twitter from Air Force One on Saturday night.
He refused to sign the communiqué, saying Mr. Trudeau had made “false statements” at an end-of-summit news conference, and calling the Canadian leader “dishonest & weak.” By Sunday morning, Mr. Trump’s aides were adding fire to the attack on Mr. Trudeau. Larry Kudlow, the president’s economic adviser, said that Mr. Trudeau’s comments were “a betrayal” and that he had “stabbed us in the back.” Mr. Trump “is not going to let a Canadian prime minister push him around,” Mr. Kudlow said on CNN’s “State of the Union” program, adding, “He is not going to permit any show of weakness on the trip to negotiate with North Korea.”
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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby hanumadu » 11 Jun 2018 15:19

Singha wrote:Mediatek is taiwan and govt has approved its export to zte who can no longer use snapdragon

Huawei has kirin but does not share with zte

Samsung has exynos but for its own use only

Apple has its Ax family for own use only

Thats about the options in phone soc chips

Replacing snapdragon with mediatek will be ok for midrange phones but loss of perf at high end and retesting will take its time

The impact on zte telecom hardware business could be more because both intel and amd could be barred from selling x86. Baki to aur koi option hai nahi

Dont underestimate khan hold on sw it could bar google from letting zte use android :rotfl: and msft from selling windows

Also open src is not open because cos like hortonworks, red hat et al who develop and support open src could all be barred. Zte would have to pay some sinic co to fork and maintain their own tree and periodically patch in upstream changes


I thought of all those options, but they would still not do any business with ZTE because their own semiconductor technology comes from the west. Push comes to shove India or China can design their own ARM or x86 processors, work with Linux, develop a windows or make do somehow. But we do not have semi conductor technologies. Only a few western companies in US and Europe and Japan have them. The current technology Intel uses is by a Netherlands company ASML. A full blown out falling apart between American and Europe is good. I really love what Trump is doing. If Europe and Japan are weaned off American teats and their testimonials are not in the American grip, they might partner with other countries in sharing and developing critical technologies.

Some work is doing in top Indian institutes on semiconductor technologies, but don't know the extent of progress. I posted an where Xi Jinping said that China would take till 2050 to obtain critical technologies like chip manufacturing. That's a very long time for a country like China which seems to be on the verge of breaking out technologically. I would assume and hope even India would master those technologies by 2040 at the latest.

Interesting fact: A japanese company was developing lasers to measure performance of some electrical machines and diversified into photolithograpy.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Lalmohan » 11 Jun 2018 16:10

whilst all eyes have been drawn by G7 shindig... bob slams a couple of more indictments in
this time formally linking trumps inner circle with Russian intel services (kalamnik)

the sentosa summit is a bit of an all or nothing poker hand, if Donnie can pull off a blinder with jonga boy then the baying crowds will be entertained at the circus maximus and the investigation will lose the attention of the masses

bring on the dancing horses!!

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Lalmohan » 11 Jun 2018 16:14

Gus wrote:what astounds me is the folks who are still falling for the con and 'doubling down'..


the last defenders of the Reichstag as the soviets closed in were SS Charlemagne (French) and SS Nordland (Scandinavian) volunteers, the Germans having given up earlier

when you have nowhere else to go...

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Philip » 11 Jun 2018 16:57

The Europeans taking a good hard look at what they thought was an extinct species..." T- Rex"!

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby ManSingh » 11 Jun 2018 16:58

hanumadu wrote:
Singha wrote:Mediatek is taiwan and govt has approved its export to zte who can no longer use snapdragon

Huawei has kirin but does not share with zte

Samsung has exynos but for its own use only

Apple has its Ax family for own use only

Thats about the options in phone soc chips

Replacing snapdragon with mediatek will be ok for midrange phones but loss of perf at high end and retesting will take its time

The impact on zte telecom hardware business could be more because both intel and amd could be barred from selling x86. Baki to aur koi option hai nahi

Dont underestimate khan hold on sw it could bar google from letting zte use android :rotfl: and msft from selling windows

Also open src is not open because cos like hortonworks, red hat et al who develop and support open src could all be barred. Zte would have to pay some sinic co to fork and maintain their own tree and periodically patch in upstream changes


I thought of all those options, but they would still not do any business with ZTE because their own semiconductor technology comes from the west. Push comes to shove India or China can design their own ARM or x86 processors, work with Linux, develop a windows or make do somehow. But we do not have semi conductor technologies. Only a few western companies in US and Europe and Japan have them. The current technology Intel uses is by a Netherlands company ASML. A full blown out falling apart between American and Europe is good. I really love what Trump is doing. If Europe and Japan are weaned off American teats and their testimonials are not in the American grip, they might partner with other countries in sharing and developing critical technologies.

Some work is doing in top Indian institutes on semiconductor technologies, but don't know the extent of progress. I posted an where Xi Jinping said that China would take till 2050 to obtain critical technologies like chip manufacturing. That's a very long time for a country like China which seems to be on the verge of breaking out technologically. I would assume and hope even India would master those technologies by 2040 at the latest.

Interesting fact: A japanese company was developing lasers to measure performance of some electrical machines and diversified into photolithograpy.

ASML R&D is bay area and its next generation fabrication technology is Connecticut. Plus Intel has a shareholding stake there. So the loss is europe's. In my opinion it is companies like these that are critical to developing a semiconductor industrial base. ASML holds a 70% share in chip manufacturing technology. So all the ARM core IP licenses ( and processor technology) are worth absolute zero without Khan R&D in manufacturing.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Lalmohan » 11 Jun 2018 18:39

khan holds all the chips!

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby hanumadu » 11 Jun 2018 18:50

ManSingh wrote:
hanumadu wrote:
I thought of all those options, but they would still not do any business with ZTE because their own semiconductor technology comes from the west. Push comes to shove India or China can design their own ARM or x86 processors, work with Linux, develop a windows or make do somehow. But we do not have semi conductor technologies. Only a few western companies in US and Europe and Japan have them. The current technology Intel uses is by a Netherlands company ASML. A full blown out falling apart between American and Europe is good. I really love what Trump is doing. If Europe and Japan are weaned off American teats and their testimonials are not in the American grip, they might partner with other countries in sharing and developing critical technologies.

Some work is doing in top Indian institutes on semiconductor technologies, but don't know the extent of progress. I posted an where Xi Jinping said that China would take till 2050 to obtain critical technologies like chip manufacturing. That's a very long time for a country like China which seems to be on the verge of breaking out technologically. I would assume and hope even India would master those technologies by 2040 at the latest.

Interesting fact: A japanese company was developing lasers to measure performance of some electrical machines and diversified into photolithograpy.

ASML R&D is bay area and its next generation fabrication technology is Connecticut. Plus Intel has a shareholding stake there. So the loss is europe's. In my opinion it is companies like these that are critical to developing a semiconductor industrial base. ASML holds a 70% share in chip manufacturing technology. So all the ARM core IP licenses ( and processor technology) are worth absolute zero without Khan R&D in manufacturing.


All the more reason they should be wary of the US. US accounts for less than a quarter of the world wide market for these companies including Intel.

ASML has nearly 20,000 employees. Some are in the US. Doesn't mean they are indispensable or their work cannot be replicated elsewhere.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby ManSingh » 11 Jun 2018 23:21

hanumadu wrote:
ManSingh wrote:ASML R&D is bay area and its next generation fabrication technology is Connecticut. Plus Intel has a shareholding stake there. So the loss is europe's. In my opinion it is companies like these that are critical to developing a semiconductor industrial base. ASML holds a 70% share in chip manufacturing technology. So all the ARM core IP licenses ( and processor technology) are worth absolute zero without Khan R&D in manufacturing.


All the more reason they should be wary of the US. US accounts for less than a quarter of the world wide market for these companies including Intel.

ASML has nearly 20,000 employees. Some are in the US. Doesn't mean they are indispensable or their work cannot be replicated elsewhere.

Maybe OT.
Not indispensable but improbable.

As I said the next generation ASML platform is being built in Connecticut. The kind of million dollar clean room, optical lasers etc they had is tough to imagine anywhere else.
How I know that?

Last year I had an interview with them for the next generation platform team they are building. I cleared pre-screen, onsite 1, 2. Last round was the director's round. A dutch accented guy
Question: Where do you see yourself 5 years from now?
Me: ( had to cook this up in 10 seconds and my desi mentality took over) I see myself as module lead, taking up bigger responsibilities and coordinating other people's work.
Recruiter a few hours later: Sorry we will not be extending an offer. Director said that he is not interested in engineering for a long while and wants to move to mgmt. Our products have a development period of 10 to 15 years and require millions to engineer. We can not risk someone who is not commited beyond 5 years.

So the Khan team is pretty important, I guess. Intel or any other firm can not just cut short the 10 to 15 year cycle that is required for these photo lithographic machines.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby siddhu » 12 Jun 2018 00:51

ManSingh wrote:
hanumadu wrote:
All the more reason they should be wary of the US. US accounts for less than a quarter of the world wide market for these companies including Intel.

ASML has nearly 20,000 employees. Some are in the US. Doesn't mean they are indispensable or their work cannot be replicated elsewhere.

Maybe OT.
Not indispensable but improbable.

As I said the next generation ASML platform is being built in Connecticut. The kind of million dollar clean room, optical lasers etc they had is tough to imagine anywhere else.
How I know that?

Last year I had an interview with them for the next generation platform team they are building. I cleared pre-screen, onsite 1, 2. Last round was the director's round. A dutch accented guy
Question: Where do you see yourself 5 years from now?
Me: ( had to cook this up in 10 seconds and my desi mentality took over) I see myself as module lead, taking up bigger responsibilities and coordinating other people's work.
Recruiter a few hours later: Sorry we will not be extending an offer. Director said that he is not interested in engineering for a long while and wants to move to mgmt. Our products have a development period of 10 to 15 years and require millions to engineer. We can not risk someone who is not commited beyond 5 years.

So the Khan team is pretty important, I guess. Intel or any other firm can not just cut short the 10 to 15 year cycle that is required for these photo lithographic machines.


Photo litho machines at par with ASML are also made by nikkon and cannon.
India becoming self sufficient depends on the will of the govt. Need to pump tons of funds.
Technical know how is available in India. We have 3-4 small fabs.
Maintenance of fabs is very costly plus production costs are pretty high for smaller numbers.
Also the photo litho tech keeps changing, In my opinion better to wait and watch for an optimum tech.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby ManSingh » 12 Jun 2018 01:07

siddhu wrote:
ManSingh wrote:Maybe OT.
Not indispensable but improbable.

As I said the next generation ASML platform is being built in Connecticut. The kind of million dollar clean room, optical lasers etc they had is tough to imagine anywhere else.
How I know that?

Last year I had an interview with them for the next generation platform team they are building. I cleared pre-screen, onsite 1, 2. Last round was the director's round. A dutch accented guy
Question: Where do you see yourself 5 years from now?
Me: ( had to cook this up in 10 seconds and my desi mentality took over) I see myself as module lead, taking up bigger responsibilities and coordinating other people's work.
Recruiter a few hours later: Sorry we will not be extending an offer. Director said that he is not interested in engineering for a long while and wants to move to mgmt. Our products have a development period of 10 to 15 years and require millions to engineer. We can not risk someone who is not commited beyond 5 years.

So the Khan team is pretty important, I guess. Intel or any other firm can not just cut short the 10 to 15 year cycle that is required for these photo lithographic machines.


Photo litho machines at par with ASML are also made by nikkon and cannon.
India becoming self sufficient depends on the will of the govt. Need to pump tons of funds.
Technical know how is available in India. We have 3-4 small fabs.
Maintenance of fabs is very costly plus production costs are pretty high for smaller numbers.
Also the photo litho tech keeps changing, In my opinion better to wait and watch for an optimum tech.


True. The entire software division which I saw at ASML was Indian, my guess on H1b. We might still fall short in other fields like solid state physics, optics etc.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby souravB » 12 Jun 2018 02:28

siddhu wrote:
Photo litho machines at par with ASML are also made by nikkon and cannon.
India becoming self sufficient depends on the will of the govt. Need to pump tons of funds.
Technical know how is available in India. We have 3-4 small fabs.
Maintenance of fabs is very costly plus production costs are pretty high for smaller numbers.
Also the photo litho tech keeps changing, In my opinion better to wait and watch for an optimum tech.


IC with microprocessor fabrication is a huge endeavor. As far as my knowledge only two foundries (Intel and GlobalFoundries) do it for x86 processors and two foundries (Samsung and TSMC)for all the ARM processors.
There are many companies which designs the architecture, but when it comes to production everybody go to the select few fab foundries otherwise the scale wouldn't be profitable. And we are not even talking about the shrinking size of the transistor nodes, new fab materials, development of a new architecture etc. etc.
My personal opinion is instead of re-inventing the wheel, we can buy OTS FPGAs anonymously and program them as processors. But then that opens another Pandora's box.
In an ideal world we should source everything for a chip ourselves starting from the sand, but prudence dictates we can start from the IC level if it is truly OTS.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Falijee » 12 Jun 2018 04:53

Top secrete: Kim’s plane brings portable toilet to Singapore to “deny enemies insight into his stool” :mrgreen:

SINGAPORE – North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has reportedly gone to extreme measures to prevent his enemies getting an insight into the state of his health during the Singapore summit – including bringing his very own toilet. Kim arrived in the city with a bullet-proof limousine and a portable toilet in tow, according to South Korean newspaper Chosun. The purpose of the toilet, aside from the obvious, is to “deny determined sewer-divers insights into the supreme leader’s stools,” the conservative news outlet reported.Lee Yun-keol, who was an official in the North Korean Guard Command unit before he defected to South Korea in 2005, told the Washington Post in April that Kim always travels with his own toilet as he will not use public restrooms.
“The leader of North Korea has a personal toilet that follows him around when he travels,” Lee said. “The leader’s excretions contain information about his health status, so they can’t be left behind.”There have been many reports about the lengths that North Korea will go to protect Kim’s ‘excretions.’ In 2015, South Korean news agency DailyNK reported that Kim keeps a customized bathroom in his convoy of vehicles at all times. “There are multiple vehicles within the convoy so that people cannot tell which one he is in, and there is a separate car that acts as his restroom,” a source in South Pyongan Province familiar with Kim’s Escort Command told the agency.
So, a "food taster" is not far behind Kim. The CIA provided Cuban cigar for Castro ? :mrgreen:

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Neshant » 12 Jun 2018 13:46

US blocked China's offer to purchase Lattice on national security grounds.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Lalmohan » 12 Jun 2018 14:50

apparently more charges heading for manafort this Friday...

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Postby Singha » 12 Jun 2018 17:05

the stool thing is not fiction.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-kra ... 24536.html
“Even Bush’s crap is classified top secret. According to our Austrian sources, Austrian newspapers are currently abuzz with special security details of George W. Bush’s recent trip to Vienna. Although the heavy-handed Gestapo-like security measures meted out to Viennese home owners, business proprietors, and pedestrians by US Secret Service agents and local police before and during Bush’s visit received widespread Austrian media attention, it was White House ‘toilet security’ (TOILSEC), which has Austrians talking the most. The White House flew in a special portable toilet to Vienna for Bush’s personal use during his visit. The Bush White House is so concerned about Bush’s security, the veil of secrecy extends over the president’s bodily excretions. The special port-a-john captured Bush’s feces and urine and flew the waste material back to the United States in the event some enterprising foreign intelligence agency conducted a sewage pipe operation designed to trap and examine Bush’s waste material. One can only wonder why the White House is taking such extraordinary security measures for the presidential poop.

“In the past, similar operations were conducted against foreign leaders to determine their medical condition. However, these intelligence operations were directed against dictators in countries where even the medical conditions of the top political leaders were considered ‘state secrets.’ The Israeli Mossad conducted one such operation against Syrian President Hafez Assad when he visited Amman, Jordan in Feb. 1999 for the funeral of King Hussein. The Mossad and its Jordanian counterpart installed a special toilet in Assad’s hotel room that led not to a pipe but to a specimen canister. Assad suffered from diabetes and cancer and the operation was designed to discover the actual medical condition of the ailing leader. During Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev’s visit to Washington in 1987, the CIA reportedly placed a special trap under a sewage tank to collect the Soviet leader’s bodily waste for analysis. More recently, the CIA was reported to have collected waste samples from Ugandan President-dictator Yoweri Museveni’s toilet when he visited Washington.

“Even Bush’s toilet paper was flown in from the U.S. Air Base at Ramstein, Germany. In addition, Bush’s food was flown in from the United States and tested with special chemicals before he ate it. Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu, who was shot by a firing squad in 1989, was the last major European leader to constantly use a food tester. The last frequent state visitor to Vienna, who always relied on a food tester, was Adolf Hitler.”

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Gus » 12 Jun 2018 21:25

but i thought deal readel does not go ones and twos...

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Gus » 12 Jun 2018 21:30

Lalmohan wrote:apparently more charges heading for manafort this Friday...


pressure's piling up on him. the witness tampering charges might put him in jail pre-trial to other charges. would be interesting to see if he gets pardon for witness tampering. mueller included the russian as well in those charges.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby g.sarkar » 13 Jun 2018 16:58

http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... 12264.html
The G-7 Fiasco
It's Time to Isolate Donald Trump

The G-7 summit once again made it clear that U.S. President Donald Trump is intent on treating America's allies worse than its enemies. Europe must draw the consequences and seek to isolate Trump on the international stage.
by Roland Nelles
The demise of the West. The end of the postwar world order. The beginning of a new era. There are lots of dramatic claims making the rounds to describe what exactly U.S. President Donald Trump is currently up to. And all of them are both correct and incorrect at the same time.
The debacle at the G-7 clearly shows that the real problem with Donald Trump's policies is Donald Trump himself. There is no rhyme or reason to his actions aside from the desire -- the need -- to be the best, the most important, the biggest. The collapse of the West and the destruction of alliances that have held up for decades are merely the side effects of this unprecedented ego trip.
At the G-7 summit, Trump treated America's oldest friends as though they were enemies. At the same time, he fawns over Russian President Vladimir Putin and calls dictators such as North Korea's Kim Jong Un "very honorable." He sees the reflection of himself in such men. He does what he wants. Agreements with partners, the rules of the international order: None of that holds water with Trump.
Trump wants complete control and can't stand being contradicted. He always has to have the first word and the last. Indeed, it was far from surprising that he sought to impose his own agenda (the trade conflict and Russia) on the summit. The tweet he sent from his plane out of Canada, in which he revoked his support for the summit statement, was merely a logical result of his egomania. It's always just me, me, me.
Trump's crude view of the world, his image of an America that has allegedly been exploited and fleeced for years, follows from this conceit. Because Trump thinks he is the greatest and relies only on his gut feelings, he is immune to rational arguments. He only considers his own instincts and thoughts to the exclusion of all else, even though they are based on a lack of knowledge and prejudice.
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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Singha » 13 Jun 2018 21:08

Blah blah blah eu is all bark and no bite

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Lalmohan » 14 Jun 2018 17:20

^^^ i think things are starting to change. the old alliance between men and elves has broken. the shadows grow in strength

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Singha » 14 Jun 2018 22:01

we await with bated breath the rise of the first Dark Lord - Morgoth!
with his allies the Balrogs, he shall march on middle earth.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby disha » 14 Jun 2018 22:28

Justin Trudeau hiding behind Merkel's skirts is a true image which the liberandus will never circulate.

And it is Merkel and her gooslings in France/UK who are at the root of the problem with their pseudo-liberal agenda.

All the good cheers for US to break out from its euro-centric world view and chart an independent course. Of course Trump will be portrayed as "eveil", but the reality is nobody cares about EU given that they are saddled with PIIGS and Asia is the future, where there are two super-powers in the making. US has to play with both.

Welcome to the new world.

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Postby Lalmohan » 14 Jun 2018 23:12

the other perspective is that post ww2 the US built the new world order which talked about freedom and liberty but was actually geared to ensure US dominance over the rest of the world - barring the soviets. when the soviets fell, the US became undisputed champion and Europe remained a vassal set of states paying homage in multiple respects to the new roman emperor. all of the rules based system that is being widely derided was built by the US to serve US interests and it has been very successful at that.

the Russians are back and want to come back to parity. the Chinese have awoken. its not obvious that the US is best served by going against its former vassals and supporters.

trump in other words is tearing down all the things that made America great in the first place (or second place if you think of post ww2 as phase 2) - which frankly is confusing for a lot of people. it is not obvious to anyone (outside the US) that the US is not the most powerful and wealthy nation in the world...

the only thing that looks obvious from the outside is that the US is turning non white, and the old whiteys want things back to the good old days when darkies knew their place

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby disha » 15 Jun 2018 21:08

US interfering in Crimea was a direct outcome of France-UK 300+ year old anti-Russian policies.

One decade back, US spent billions fighting their stupid war.

Today Trump trashed that. He announced crimea belongs to Russia while announcing sanctions on China.

Merkel is facing questions on migrant handling., it is the EU colonialism that is coming back to roost.

US needs new allies., which ones will it pick?

India needs powerful allies., which one will it pick? China which still supports Hafiz Suar or US? Or balance?

EU needs India more than India need EU., and India needs to extend its influence all the way to phillipines on east & to Nigerisa on west.

The very fact that there is something called Indo-Pacific gives us a substantial idea on where the churn lies

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Lalmohan » 15 Jun 2018 22:09

crimea/Ukraine and Russia goes back way beyond 1850
that region is analogous to the northern European plain (stretches from Poland to the French coast)
the dominance of these regions goes back to before the roman period for anyone who sits in the west or the east

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby g.sarkar » 15 Jun 2018 23:16

disha wrote:US needs new allies., which ones will it pick?
India needs powerful allies., which one will it pick? China which still supports Hafiz Suar or US? Or balance?
EU needs India more than India need EU., and India needs to extend its influence all the way to phillipines on east & to Nigerisa on west.
The very fact that there is something called Indo-Pacific gives us a substantial idea on where the churn lies

Dishaji, I am reminded of our great (and now non-person) PM who said that in the great battle between the US and China for number 1 super powerdom, we might be tempted to support US because of democracy, language, legal system etc. But we must resist and support China.
I think he said China because China will be a far weaker super power than the US. But the US may weaken suddenly too under present circumstances, when its friends are having second thoughts.
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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby g.sarkar » 15 Jun 2018 23:44

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/bus ... 606581.cms
Trump approves 25% tariffs on $50 billion worth of Chinese goods, Beijing retaliates
PTI | Jun 15, 2018
WASHINGTON/BEIJING: US President Donald Trump on Friday slapped a stiff 25 per cent tariff on $50 billion worth of Chinese goods, as he accused Beijing of intellectual property theft and unfair trade practices, triggering a full-fledged trade war between the world's two largest economies.
In a statement, Trump said 25 per cent tariffs will be applied to Chinese goods that "contain industrially significant technologies."
Trade between the two countries "has been very unfair, for a very long time," Trump said, adding that "this situation is no longer sustainable."
Trump warned China of more tariffs if Beijing retaliated on the announcement.
"In light of China's theft of intellectual property and technology and its other unfair trade practices, the United States will implement a 25 per cent tariff on $50 billion of goods from China that contain industrially significant technologies," he said.
This includes goods related to China's 'Made in China 2025' strategic plan to dominate the emerging high-technology industries that will drive future economic growth for China, but hurt economic growth for the US and many other countries, he said.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/15/us/p ... trade.html
U.S. and China Expand Trade War as Beijing Vows to Match Trump’s Tariffs
By Ana Swanson, June 15, 2018
WASHINGTON — The Trump administration said on Friday that it would move ahead with tariffs on $50 billion of Chinese products, drawing a vow of retaliation from Beijing and escalating a trade war between the world’s two largest economies.
President Trump’s decision to impose the penalties is the latest twist by a White House that has vacillated between taking a tough stance on Chinese trade practices and declaring that the trade war was “on hold.” It comes after the president has ignited trade spats on numerous fronts, including levying tariffs on metal imported from allies and adversaries around the globe and sparring with Canada and Mexico over the future of the North American Free Trade Agreement.
Tariffs of 25 percent on roughly $34 billion of Chinese products — drawn from a list that the administration published in April and vetted through a series of hearings in mid-May — will go into effect on July 6, the office of the United States Trade Representative said. The administration is also proposing tariffs on roughly $16 billion of new products, which it said would undergo further review, including public hearings.
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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby disha » 16 Jun 2018 00:52

g.sarkar wrote: we might be tempted to support US because of democracy, language, legal system etc. But we must resist and support China.


g.sarkar'ji., "tempted to support US?"., there is no alternative but for US/India to be together. Unless of course, China dumps its current Communist regime and becomes a democracy., then there is no alternative but Indo-China bonhomie.

Either way, India is the lynchpin.

In other news:

http://thehill.com/policy/international/392418-us-expected-to-withdraw-from-un-human-rights-council-report

The U.S. is reportedly planning to pull out of the United Nations Human Rights Council after clashes over key issues such as Israel.

A source told Reuters that the move could be “imminent.” The council will begin a three-week session in Geneva on Monday.

Other diplomatic sources told Reuters that the withdrawal was “not a question of if but of when.”

U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Nikki Haley has clashed with the council over its treatment of Israel and has repeatedly voted against U.N. measures that were critical of that country. Most recently, the U.S. and Australia were the only two members to vote against a proposal to investigate Israel’s alleged use of excessive force in Gaza.

Haley has criticized the council over what she called a “chronic anti-Israel bias” and threatened last year to leave.

“When the council passes more than 70 resolutions against Israel, a country with a strong human rights record, and just seven resolutions against Iran, a country with an abysmal human rights record, you know something is seriously wrong,” she wrote in an op-ed for The Washington Post last June.

The U.S. rejoined the council under former President Obama after boycotting for three years under former President George W. Bush.

Haley has also called for other reforms to the body, including making it easier to expel member states with poor human rights records, specifically Venezuela, China and Saudi Arabia.

Swiss Ambassador Valentin Zellweger told Reuters that he agrees with Haley that “not all members fulfill the criteria” for membership to the council, but expressed concern over the potential withdrawal.

“The decision by the Americans will have a profound impact on the Council,” Zellweger said. “If they withdraw, we can expect significant consequences.”


A fault line to be exploited and ensure that UNHRC is severely discredited., so much so that, its papers are not even toilet papers.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby g.sarkar » 16 Jun 2018 02:01

disha wrote:g.sarkar'ji., "tempted to support US?"., there is no alternative but for US/India to be together. Unless of course, China dumps its current Communist regime and becomes a democracy., then there is no alternative but Indo-China bonhomie.
Either way, India is the lynchpin.

UK, France and Russia were America's allies in WWII. You know what happened to them. SK, Japan and Taiwan are US allies in Asia now, and see how they are treated. In an alliance with the US no one but the US is the lynchpin. Of course there are alternatives and they must be explored while we still have time to make corrections. As far as China is concerned, a democratic China will be worse.
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