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Postby m_saini » 09 Aug 2020 16:55

CIA Finds ‘No Evidence’ Chinese Government Has Accessed TikTok Data, Report Says

The CIA concluded there is “no evidence” Chinese intelligence services have ever accessed data from TikTok, the New York Times reported Friday, after the White House took steps to ban the app in the U.S. over national security and privacy concerns.

CIA analysts concluded that it is possible for China to siphon off data from TikTok since it is owned by Chinese tech firm ByteDance, but there is no evidence they have done so, according to the New York Times.

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Postby darshan » 09 Aug 2020 20:23

Over decades what have been reasons to trust anything that CIA says? What did CIA have to say about the chinese virus, chinese weapons and proliferation, human rights violations, etc.? Did CIA even inform US public that chinese are new are Nazis? Chinese Intelligence Agency ......

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Postby m_saini » 09 Aug 2020 20:41

^ Not just CIA but you can't trust what *anyone* says since there is almost always an ulterior motive.

But what one can say from the above report is that CIA etc see things differently than DT, who wants to ban these apps with an executive order. Could be that they're just trying to spin things a bit so Microsoft has an easier time absorbing tiktok or it could just be them trying to undermine DT a bit. Or maybe for a change, they just might be telling the truth.

Who knows?

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Postby Mort Walker » 09 Aug 2020 23:11

This is rather odd that the culinary institute would be making such a statement. Cyber threats/espionage are under the DNI. This appears to be political maneuvering by culinary institute to undermine Trump, but they left themselves an out saying it is possible for the Chinese government to access the data.

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Postby Pratyush » 09 Aug 2020 23:20

m_saini wrote:^ Not just CIA but you can't trust what *anyone* says since there is almost always an ulterior motive.

But what one can say from the above report is that CIA etc see things differently than DT, who wants to ban these apps with an executive order. Could be that they're just trying to spin things a bit so Microsoft has an easier time absorbing tiktok or it could just be them trying to undermine DT a bit. Or maybe for a change, they just might be telling the truth.

Who knows?


Well CIA is quite untrustworthy when it comes to having anything to do with DT. They were not able to figure out if the Steel dosa was legit or not. Resulting in Muller and the Russiagate saga.

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Postby Kati » 10 Aug 2020 00:01

From MSNBC:

Democrat Kai Kahele wins Hawaii primary to replace Tulsi Gabbard
Abigail Mihaly 1 hr ago

State Sen. Kai Kahele (D), an active National Guard member, won the primary in Hawaii's 2nd District on Saturday in the race to replace retiring Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D).

a man smiling for the camera: Democrat Kai Kahele wins Hawaii primary to replace Tulsi Gabbard© Facebook.com Democrat Kai Kahele wins Hawaii primary to replace Tulsi Gabbard
Kahele won the four-way primary with 76.5 percent of the vote after 68 percent of precincts had reported, according to The Associated Press.

He will face Republican Joe Akana in November.

Hawaii's primaries were conducted entirely by mail this year to curb coronavirus pandemic risks.

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Postby Vayutuvan » 10 Aug 2020 06:01

Hawaii's primaries were conducted entirely by mail this year to curb coronavirus pandemic risks.


This.

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Postby Haresh » 10 Aug 2020 13:56

Not sure where to put this, feel free to move

Don't let the victors define morality – Hiroshima was always indefensible

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... defensible

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Postby Primus » 10 Aug 2020 17:39

Haresh wrote:Not sure where to put this, feel free to move

Don't let the victors define morality – Hiroshima was always indefensible

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... defensible


OT for the thread, but thought it is worth mentioning.

I am a huge fan of anime and manga. One of the best movies I have seen in my life (animated or otherwise) is the story of two children caught in the aftermath of the nuclear bombing of Japan. "The Grave of The Fireflies" is poignant and thought-provoking, seen from the other side of the war.

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Haresh wrote:Not sure where to put this, feel free to move

Don't let the victors define morality – Hiroshima was always indefensible

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... defensible

There's a long list of inhumane things that these civilizations had done before Hiroshima to think even twice before doing it. Only thing that they would have thought twice is whether they have enough bombs or whether they will kill enough.

This people genocided natives and pagans all across the world and built their civilizations on slavery and blood. Hiroshima would have been an automated everyday decision for them.

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Postby vijayk » 10 Aug 2020 20:09

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/l ... d/2319645/


https://twitter.com/BGOnTheScene/status ... 6244017153

Mostly left idiots already started criminal looting ... Illah Omar and her ilk turned US into Somalia


https://www.vox.com/2020/8/3/21334149/m ... s-pandemic
The murder spike in big US cities, explained
Murders are up in big cities this summer. Here are seven possible reasons why.

They would want to explain away all murder rate hikes ... this is how they work

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Postby Mort Walker » 11 Aug 2020 00:45

Wow. Rioting in Lincoln Park area near Navy Pier. Having been there I thought this area was much safer than the south side of Chicago. This rioting seems organized by political parties or local netas.

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Postby Mort Walker » 11 Aug 2020 00:55

Haresh wrote:Not sure where to put this, feel free to move

Don't let the victors define morality – Hiroshima was always indefensible

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... defensible


The author has it wrong about the A-bomb exclusively for Japan. It was designed to be used for Germany, Japan came into the discussion much later. Go read Richard Rhodes book "The Making of the Atomic Bomb" and cites many physicists of the time on the Manhattan project.

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Postby m_saini » 11 Aug 2020 05:42

I don't understand this "victors define morality" thing. Japanese had their rape parties in Nanking, unit 731, bayonetting little kids etc and they still refuse to educate their children about those. Yet they have the guts to ask others to "shun nuclear weapons", "peace", "brotherhood" crap.

Anyway, it's their decision to do all of those things and i actually kinda like that they don't teach their kids what others expect them to. Americans for all their fault were a million times better than any of the axis powers and it's ridiculous that this morality question even pops up. This is just like that pregnant terrorist crying hoarse about morality so docile india doesn't keep her in jail. I'm glad america wasn't like india during ww2.

All they do is make some ecchi cartoons for grown up men and the whole world treats them with kiddie gloves. They were evil in ww2 and not some helpless innocent little island which uncle sam ravaged with the 2 nukes.

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Postby nachiket » 11 Aug 2020 06:55

m_saini wrote:Anyway, it's their decision to do all of those things and i actually kinda like that they don't teach their kids what others expect them to. Americans for all their fault were a million times better than any of the axis powers and it's ridiculous that this morality question even pops up. This is just like that pregnant terrorist crying hoarse about morality so docile india doesn't keep her in jail. I'm glad america wasn't like india during ww2.

The Americans nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki and firebombed Dresden and Tokyo (which probably burnt more people alive than even the nukes). The British allowed millions to die during the famine in India because Churchill was a racist who hated Indians, not to mention their atrocities in Africa. They didn't fight the Germans because the Nazis were evil, they fought them because the Germans were cutting in on their Global Domination business. The true horror of the holocaust was only revealed after the war.

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Postby m_saini » 11 Aug 2020 08:15

nachiket wrote:The Americans nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki and firebombed Dresden and Tokyo (which probably burnt more people alive than even the nukes). The British allowed millions to die during the famine in India because Churchill was a racist who hated Indians, not to mention their atrocities in Africa. They didn't fight the Germans because the Nazis were evil, they fought them because the Germans were cutting in on their Global Domination business. The true horror of the holocaust was only revealed after the war.


True, and I'm not saying the allies were saints. Though the firebombings were mostly to cripple the war machinery and wasn't done to up the body count. And I'd also argue the americans were the least evil out of everyone involved.

Anyway, the point is Japanese, or anyone else on their behalf, have no right to whine about morality just as British have no right to complain hitler bombing london when churchill was busy killing millions of Indians. If taliban and isis fight each other, then either can't complain the other didn't follow the geneva convention.

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Postby Mort Walker » 11 Aug 2020 08:57

nachiket wrote:The Americans nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki and firebombed Dresden and Tokyo (which probably burnt more people alive than even the nukes). The British allowed millions to die during the famine in India because Churchill was a racist who hated Indians, not to mention their atrocities in Africa. They didn't fight the Germans because the Nazis were evil, they fought them because the Germans were cutting in on their Global Domination business. The true horror of the holocaust was only revealed after the war.


This is correct. In August 1941, Roosevelt and Churchill announced the Atlantic Charter which stated countries "They respect the right of all peoples to choose the form of government under which they will live; and they wish to see sovereign rights and self government restored to those who have been forcibly deprived of them." The following week, Churchill stated in Parliament that this provision did not apply to India.

The Americans were afraid of the Japanese more than the Germans. The Japanese fought to the last man and would not surrender in masses like the so called German Aryans. The Battle of Tarawa, Saipan and Okinawa left an indelible mark on US forces as the grizzly details made their way through the personnel. The Japanese did the Banzai charge against US formations. Civilian women on the Japanese islands such as Okinawa would grab their children and jump off cliffs to the horror of Americans watching. They would not surrender and fight like the 16th Bihar Regiment making mincemeat of the PLA.

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Postby Cyrano » 11 Aug 2020 13:05

If this is what Trump's support base thinks like, God save America !

Trump era will be remembered for making illiogicalism a mainstream phenomenon.


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Postby Pratyush » 11 Aug 2020 14:20

amar_p wrote:If this is what Trump's support base thinks like, God save America !

Trump era will be remembered for making illiogicalism a mainstream phenomenon.



He is no bigger an idiot as compared to all the chattering heads on the news media who have been shouting Russia for the last 4 years.

Or the Democratic party officials de-funding the police when 80% of the blacks want the same level of police or more. Or the attorney general of New York saying in her election campaign that she will prosecute Trump. Crimes be dammed and she is doing it.

If the Democratic party & the left wing is not stopped then US will be destroyed.

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Postby AdityaVM » 11 Aug 2020 14:38

m_saini wrote:I don't understand this "victors define morality" thing. Japanese had their rape parties in Nanking, unit 731, bayonetting little kids etc and they still refuse to educate their children about those. Yet they have the guts to ask others to "shun nuclear weapons", "peace", "brotherhood" crap.

Anyway, it's their decision to do all of those things and i actually kinda like that they don't teach their kids what others expect them to. Americans for all their fault were a million times better than any of the axis powers and it's ridiculous that this morality question even pops up. This is just like that pregnant terrorist crying hoarse about morality so docile india doesn't keep her in jail. I'm glad america wasn't like india during ww2.

All they do is make some ecchi cartoons for grown up men and the whole world treats them with kiddie gloves. They were evil in ww2 and not some helpless innocent little island which uncle sam ravaged with the 2 nukes.


Saar, the Japanese where only doing what Europeans did before for a long time. That's what Japanese colonialism was all about. The equivalence between Japan and the west.

The only conclusion we can draw is that except Dharmic civilization every other power in history has its own share of horrors.

I don't agree that Americans would have reconsidered firebombing Tokyo if they knew the amount of casualties it would cause. In all likelihood, they knew what would happen if they dropped a firebomb in a city primarily made of wooden houses versus Rock, bricks and mortar like Dresden.

But they did it anyway.

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Postby Cyrano » 11 Aug 2020 14:39

The age of social media and ubiquitous reporting has made it nearly impossible to have fact based, reasoned conversations. For any view point someone takes on any given subject, an opposite view point can be presented. Both the right and left peddle their favourite conspiracy theories based on their selection of "facts".

Read somewhere that we are in such a technology driven, "information" saturated, fast paced world, where most people have no idea how things actually work that most people have a really hard time piecing things together, and thats one main reason conspiracy theories abound and there are so many who believe them.

This is not limited to the US, India and the whole world is on the same path.

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AdityaVM wrote:Saar, the Japanese where only doing what Europeans did before for a long time. That's what Japanese colonialism was all about. The equivalence between Japan and the west.

The only conclusion we can draw is that except Dharmic civilization every other power in history has its own share of horrors.

I don't agree that Americans would have reconsidered firebombing Tokyo if they knew the amount of casualties it would cause. In all likelihood, they knew what would happen if they dropped a firebomb in a city primarily made of wooden houses versus Rock, bricks and mortar like Dresden.

But they did it anyway.


Oh I'm not saying Europeans were any better. It is like you're saying, japanese were only just doing what the europeans have done all over the world for centuries but it still doesn't make it any less evil. Plenty of people get away with murder but if you're killing for the first time, get caught and are hung, then you can't claim morality and expect others to feel sorry for you.

And you're right too that Americans wouldn't have reconsidered, in all likelihood they knew what they were doing and did it anyway.

My point is the Japanese were playing a dirty game and the americans just played it better. The question of morality does not come into play.

If the Germans had developed a nuke first and "did the needful" in london, the Britishers wouldn't have any sympathy from me either.

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Postby darshan » 11 Aug 2020 22:28

For people out in Dallas area, does anyone know more about this? I was searching for Ram Mandir and ran into this article. Events are bit old from 2017.

Muslims used to influence Hindu Temple in Dallas
http://india-herald.com/muslims-used-to ... 5678-1.htm

http://www.shrirammandir.info/

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m_saini wrote:
AdityaVM wrote:Saar, the Japanese where only doing what Europeans did before for a long time. That's what Japanese colonialism was all about. The equivalence between Japan and the west.

The only conclusion we can draw is that except Dharmic civilization every other power in history has its own share of horrors.

I don't agree that Americans would have reconsidered firebombing Tokyo if they knew the amount of casualties it would cause. In all likelihood, they knew what would happen if they dropped a firebomb in a city primarily made of wooden houses versus Rock, bricks and mortar like Dresden.

But they did it anyway.


Oh I'm not saying Europeans were any better. It is like you're saying, japanese were only just doing what the europeans have done all over the world for centuries but it still doesn't make it any less evil. Plenty of people get away with murder but if you're killing for the first time, get caught and are hung, then you can't claim morality and expect others to feel sorry for you.

And you're right too that Americans wouldn't have reconsidered, in all likelihood they knew what they were doing and did it anyway.

My point is the Japanese were playing a dirty game and the americans just played it better. The question of morality does not come into play.

If the Germans had developed a nuke first and "did the needful" in london, the Britishers wouldn't have any sympathy from me either.


the amerikis would never have dropped the bomb on a european country period

likewise, the germans would have dropped it on russia and not any other european or ameriki city.

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chetak wrote:the amerikis would never have dropped the bomb on a european country period

likewise, the germans would have dropped it on russia and not any other european or ameriki city.


That's my opinion too. Between cousins they will have showcased it in Africa or something to get Germans to back down. And Germans would not have fought in same manner as Japanese either. Civilizational enemies fight in different manner.
There were no camps in US similar to Japanese one for others.

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Postby Avtar Singh » 12 Aug 2020 00:45

As for gora not nuking each other, I am not so sure...
from wiki

RAF and USAAF Bomb Tonnages on Germany 1939–1945

Total: bomber command 964,644 (tons), US 8th air force 623,418 (tons)

I think if the british could have finished it quicker/less loss of men/money/material
and maybe even held onto bits of their empire.
I think they would have pressed the red button and germans may well have done the same.

As coloured people it is all too easy to think all hate is based on skin colour,
having lived among them for so long do not underestimate the hate the gora have for
each other based on ethnicity.

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Postby chetak » 12 Aug 2020 01:07

Avtar Singh wrote:As for gora not nuking each other, I am not so sure...
from wiki

RAF and USAAF Bomb Tonnages on Germany 1939–1945

Total: bomber command 964,644 (tons), US 8th air force 623,418 (tons)

I think if the british could have finished it quicker/less loss of men/money/material
and maybe even held onto bits of their empire.
I think they would have pressed the red button and germans may well have done the same.

As coloured people it is all too easy to think all hate is based on skin colour,
having lived among them for so long do not underestimate the hate the gora have for
each other based on ethnicity.


hate is the least of the concerns.

bomb tonnage is OK but the consequences of a nuke were known even then, maybe not in as much detail as today but nevertheless, they knew the general and long term effects so why experiment on the whites when colored is so easily available.

why was the second one dropped, was it really necessary or was it just a test under different conditions

not to mention the catholic and protestant thing

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Postby Avtar Singh » 12 Aug 2020 01:21

^^^^^^
I am sorry you are all reading too much into this thing, it is war it is killing.
Who cares about anyone or anything...
But if one is looking for any particular angle it is always there. Anyway leave it at that.

From the Silver Spitfire by Tom Neil, flying with 100th fighter wing WW2
pge 153
chatting with american colleague Lt Col Harry French

“breathing in an alcoholic whisper in my left ear he said all to clearly.
Ginger I really like you, I really do. I want you to know I think you’re a great guy………………
………………… And its nothing to do with you, you understand? Well…
I hate the bloody British! I do! I really hate the ********”


the gora would nuke each other, just like brown people would nuke each other, and
just like black people would nuke each other
If one wants to read #blacklives matter/bame/gora/Indian/religion that is up to any
individual. I just see war and killing and a wish to finish it.

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Postby m_saini » 12 Aug 2020 03:43

chetak wrote:the amerikis would never have dropped the bomb on a european country period

likewise, the germans would have dropped it on russia and not any other european or ameriki city.


Don't agree with that. The reason amerikis didn't drop it on germany was because the war in europe was pretty much over by then and they were still worried that if the bomb were to fail and fall as dud, the germans would use it to complete their own.

The Japanese were nowhere close to an atam bum.

Would the atomic bomb have been used against Germany?

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Postby Primus » 12 Aug 2020 04:19

Regardless of all the so called 'evidence', anybody who has lived here long enough would realize that there are 45-50 million Americans that claim German ancestry. This is the biggest single group. There were 'Bunds' all over New York and other places during the war. Even though they fell apart eventually, there were still enough Americans here even if unsympathetic to the Nazi regime, who felt a kinship with the German people. There is absolutely NO way a nuke would have been dropped on Germany - the government would have crashed.

The Japanese were chosen because they were not of European stock, all other reasons being equal. Not saying they were innocent of war crimes, but nobody deserves to have a nuke dropped on their cities. Nothing can justify that and no amount of arguments after the fact will, IMHO.

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Postby Mort Walker » 12 Aug 2020 04:50

^^^I would suggest some readings from that time and understanding the design of the A-bomb, which wasn't settled until July 1942. Please read the accounts from physicist Robert Serber who worked with Robert Oppenheimer. They needed a guarantee of design which would work without testing that would create a fission chain reaction. The Hiroshima bomb was just that. The plan was to have 5-6 atomic bombs to be dropped on Germany, but the white "superior" Germans surrendered and fell apart like a house of cards.

It didn't matter how many Americans were of German ancestry, even Eisenhower was of German origin. Until the invasion of France in 1944, an allied victory in Europe was going to be drawn out.

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Mort Walker wrote:^^^I would suggest some readings from that time and understanding the design of the A-bomb, which wasn't settled until July 1942. Please read the accounts from physicist Robert Serber who worked with Robert Oppenheimer. They needed a guarantee of design which would work without testing that would create a fission chain reaction. The Hiroshima bomb was just that. The plan was to have 5-6 atomic bombs to be dropped on Germany, but the white "superior" Germans surrendered and fell apart like a house of cards.

It didn't matter how many Americans were of German ancestry, even Eisenhower was of German origin. Until the invasion of France in 1944, an allied victory in Europe was going to be drawn out.


This!

There was no 'german love' or 'common ancestry' that stopped the americans from nuking germany. Besides the 45-50 million german ancestry number quoted is from 2018, not 1939.

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Postby Mort Walker » 12 Aug 2020 08:25

^^^The British destroyed a German controlled heavy water facility in Norway in Feb. 1943 in a commando raid. It was German physicists and chemists in 1938, who deduced after reading Fermi's paper on bombarding U238 with neutrons, creating nuclear fission. The more intriguing story is about Werner Heisenberg and why he didn't push Albert Speer, Hitler's armament minister, for atomic weapons research in 1941 and 1942 meetings with Speer. Had the Germans spent as much time, research, and development on it as opposed to the V2 rocket with Wernher Von Braun, then I think they would have had an A-bomb by 1944.

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^^^Very nice!

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Postby Aditya_V » 12 Aug 2020 15:47

My understanding is that by picking Kamala Harris, Biden has hurt his chances, African Americans, Hispanics etc. will see the Indian in her and Indians are not too popular with these groups in the US.

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Postby darshan » 12 Aug 2020 17:57

That's only possible if Indians make them see Indian in her. Meaning, trumpeting of all the glee being seen in whatsapp groups to outside. All secular WhatsApp groups are filled with her being Indian. Now most of these personally don't like to be anywhere near kallu areas or want their kids to not go to school that has blacks and Latinos. But they do support BLM more than blacks and would kill you in WhatsApp if they can for not supporting their stand. Start scratching head......

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Postby Primus » 12 Aug 2020 19:37

m_saini wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:^^^I would suggest some readings from that time and understanding the design of the A-bomb, which wasn't settled until July 1942. Please read the accounts from physicist Robert Serber who worked with Robert Oppenheimer. They needed a guarantee of design which would work without testing that would create a fission chain reaction. The Hiroshima bomb was just that. The plan was to have 5-6 atomic bombs to be dropped on Germany, but the white "superior" Germans surrendered and fell apart like a house of cards.

It didn't matter how many Americans were of German ancestry, even Eisenhower was of German origin. Until the invasion of France in 1944, an allied victory in Europe was going to be drawn out.


This!

There was no 'german love' or 'common ancestry' that stopped the americans from nuking germany. Besides the 45-50 million german ancestry number quoted is from 2018, not 1939.


Eisenhower was not the President during WWII. He was a general and Supreme commander of the European forces but not the one who decided where the nukes would go.

If a testing site was needed for the bomb any small uninhabited island anywhere would have been enough - as was done during the Cold War.

The number of Americans of German descent is around 15-17% today, I dare say it was perhaps even higher in 1939, so absolute numbers do not matter. The US would never ever drop a nuke on Israel even with the much smaller Jewish population here, there is no way they would have dropped one on Germany. It does not matter that Oppenheimer was German or how many of the men working on Project Manhattan were.

I cannot believe that a government would drop a nuclear bomb on a city to 'simply test if it worked'. That is a ridiculous argument. The idea that the bomb would deal a near-fatal blow to the Japanese was what prompted it. The target was selected because they were not Caucasians. But the fact that they were also considered a tougher opponent and less likely to surrender would have been a major factor too. Roosevelt is said to have been shocked by their Kamikaze tactics. However, in the end I still maintain that the US would not have bombed Germany. There is no official data on this other than one General's reminiscence on his talk with Roosevelt. Everything is opinion and speculation.

Why were the German Americans not interned in camps in the US? Was it just that there were too many of them? What about Italian Americans? Weren't we at war with them too?

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Lisa » 12 Aug 2020 23:00

^ It may be worth one's while to read up Operation Olympic and Operation Downfall.

"Subsequent reports raised the estimated number of troops, first to 534,000 and then to 625,000. That nearly doubled the June estimate, but it was still too low. In actuality, Japan had 14 combat divisions with 900,000 troops on Kyushu, concentrated in the southern part of the island around the Olympic landing beaches. The American force committed to Kyushu was 680,000, of which 380,000 were combat troops. Japanese forces were being pulled back into Honshu as well. Between January and July, military strength in the home islands doubled, from 980,000 to 1,865,000."

"In fact, Joint Staff planners on two occasions worked up casualty estimates and came out in the same range. In August 1944, using casualty rates from fighting on Saipan as a basis, they said that “it might cost us a half-million American lives and many times that number in wounded” to take the Japanese home islands. An April 1945 report projected casualties of 1,202,005—including 314,619 killed and missing—in Operations Olympic and Coronet, and more if either of the campaigns lasted more than 90 days."

Why would the Americans risk these casualties rather than a nuke?

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby VKumar » 13 Aug 2020 00:43

m_saini wrote:I don't understand this "victors define morality" thing. Japanese had their rape parties in Nanking, unit 731, bayonetting little kids etc and they still refuse to educate their children about those. Yet they have the guts to ask others to "shun nuclear weapons", "peace", "brotherhood" crap.

Anyway, it's their decision to do all of those things and i actually kinda like that they don't teach their kids what others expect them to. Americans for all their fault were a million times better than any of the axis powers and it's ridiculous that this morality question even pops up. This is just like that pregnant terrorist crying hoarse about morality so docile india doesn't keep her in jail. I'm glad america wasn't like india during ww2.

All they do is make some ecchi cartoons for grown up men and the whole world treats them with kiddie gloves. They were evil in ww2 and not some helpless innocent little island which uncle sam ravaged with the 2 nukes.


Pictures of Japanese soldiers using captured sikh soldiers for target practice in Singapore are available.


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