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Pratyush wrote:This vote was quite interesting to watch. The entire squad with all its noisiness could not muster 10 votes in favour their position.

With one of the members not even having courage of her own conviction to stand by her vote. When she was called to account.

Makes me wonder why are they so prominent in US political circles?
Pratyush Ji,
they are popular for the same reason self proclaimed liberals are popular in India. Ideological opportunism, As long as you call yourself Liberal and feminist and <any other adjectives> you will be the "in crowd" so to speak, never mind that nobody asks what exactly they have done/tried doing on the ground to make people lives better.

Wion had a video on the lives of liberals who cry about poverty, but they themselves lead an exquisite lifestyle.

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Pratyush wrote:This vote was quite interesting to watch. The entire squad with all its noisiness could not muster 10 votes in favour their position.

With one of the members not even having courage of her own conviction to stand by her vote. When she was called to account.

Makes me wonder why are they so prominent in US political circles?
Jihadis and MAMIS (Marxist millionaires) are able to do only one thing successfully - Abuse Hindus 24x7, Abuse white males. That's what unites them and they are good for nothing else
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In class at George Mason University in DC, vice president tells woman who decries American military aid for the Jewish state that ‘your truth should not be suppressed’ . The current US administration is similar to many leftist governments in Europe where the politicians from left and far-left parties openly ally themselves with radical islamists and pat each others back for attacking Israel.
US Vice President Kamala Harris did not push back against a university student who accused Israel of “ethnic genocide” during an event Wednesday.

Harris gave a talk about voting rights to a class at George Mason University in Virginia, then took questions from the students, one of whom said “a lot of taxpayer money is allocated for funding the military, whether it’s in backing Saudi Arabia or in Palestine.”

The student went on to note what she described as “astronomical numbers” at pro-Palestinian protests over the summer, apparently referring to demonstrations during the May conflict between Israel and Gaza terror groups.

“But then just a few days ago there were funds allocated to continue backing Israel, which hurts my heart because it’s an ethnic genocide and a displacement of people — the same that happened in America — and I’m sure you’re aware of this,” she said.

The US House of Representatives last week approved $1 billion in funds for Israel’s Iron Dome missile defense system in a 420-9 vote. The measure, which the Biden administration supports, must still be approved by the Senate.
The student ended her remarks by saying, “I just feel like I need to bring this up because it affects my life and people I really care about…”

“I’m glad you did,” Harris said in response. “And again this is about the fact that your voice, your perspective, your experience, your truth should not be suppressed and it must be heard, right? And one of the things that we’re fighting for in a democracy, right, a democracy is its strongest when everybody participates…”

She added soon after: “The point that you are making about policy that relates to Middle East policy, foreign policy, we still have healthy debates in our country about what is the right path, and nobody’s voice should be suppressed on that.”

There was no later comment from the vice president’s office on the exchange, which was criticized by some Republican figures.

“Kamala Harris doesn’t have time to go the border, but she apparently has plenty of time to encourage anti-Israel, anti-Semitic falsehoods,” Republican Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri tweeted.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/kamala-ha ... st-israel/
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^ Except they're not allying themselves with the Islamists, atleast not when it comes to Israel. They've had those bleeding heart lefties in their universities for decades now but the support for Israel has never waned. The 420-9 vote is further proof of that.
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Our constitutional crisis
Donald Trump will be the Republican candidate for president in 2024. The hope and expectation that he would fade in visibility and influence have been delusional. He enjoys mammoth leads in the polls; he is building a massive campaign war chest; and at this moment the Democratic ticket looks vulnerable.
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From the above WaPo article:
Al Gore and his supporters displayed republican virtue when they abided by the Supreme Court’s judgment in 2000 despite the partisan nature of the justices’ decision. (Whether the court itself displayed republican virtue is another question.)
'nuff said.
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The next time any US entities lecture India on human rights, we should remind them of this:

https://www.propublica.org/article/blac ... esnt-exist

A long read and scary as well. It can so easily happen to any non white kid including Indians. Long story short: police go to school and arrest and hand cuff 8 year old children for the charge of “failing to stop a fight”. Included are over zealous police, way out of line judges, and a for profit prison system.

Children were sent to jail on such charges :shock:

Land of the free :cry:
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Tanaji wrote:
It can so easily happen to any non white kid including Indians. Long story short: police go to school and arrest and hand cuff 8 year old children for the charge of “failing to stop a fight”. Included are over zealous police, way out of line judges, and a for profit prison system.
Tanaji, believe me when I say that it absolutely can. This is one of the reasons why I do not support the imbecile Republicans and their ilk as they hate the guts of Hindus more than the "Woke libarandu" crowd.
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^^^This is untrue. The southern KKK have historically been Democrats and they are the ones which have setup the discriminatory system in the south, even though political patronage has now shifted to Republicans. It isn't an issue of woke liberals, rather it is in the Democratic Party of the last 30 years which has supported Islamists and a system of privileged Ivy League persons to create class differences. Their party platform expresses it openly, and with the rise of dangerous criminals such US representative Pramila Jayapal getting into party leadership, they will seek to ruin relations with India. It is just a matter of time.
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https://www.dnaindia.com/world/video-dn ... utetv=true

Very disturbing - but hardly surprising, when you spend all your time doing drain inspection, hardly leaves room for self-improvement hainji?
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Jay wrote:
Tanaji, believe me when I say that it absolutely can. This is one of the reasons why I do not support the imbecile Republicans and their ilk as they hate the guts of Hindus more than the "Woke libarandu" crowd.
Agreed 100%.

Among the Democrats it is only the Islamists (who have infiltrated the party) and a section of their closest allies on the far left who actively hate Hindus. They make a lot of noise through their influence over academia and media, but they are actually very few in number.

It is among the Republicans that raw, fanatical hatred for Hindus and Hinduism truly has a mass base.

White Evangelical Christians are about 29% of the US population (https://www.pewforum.org/religious-land ... ion/white/) and 81% of them vote Republican (https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling ... ction.aspx) .

These people believe as a matter of religious faith that Hindus and Hinduism are the Devil. Of course the Islamists in the Democratic Party believe the same thing, but they are not even a tiny fraction of the Evangelical Christians in the Republican Party, in terms of size or influence.

Never forget that the entire drama of denying Narendra Modi a visa to the US was conducted by USCIRF when it was completely under the grip of White Evangelical Christians, during the tenure of a Republican President, George W Bush. USCIRF claimed that it was about "Gujarat Riots 2002" but in fact, it was done because Modi had cracked down on Missionary fraud in the Dangs region of Gujarat where soul-harvesting had been going on rapaciously.
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Reflecting on a post above, I realized that only 25% of the Presidents elected since 2000 were acknowledged to be elected in a free and fair election. Bush, Trump, Biden have all had their elections disputed. Seems only a matter of time before there is a total breakdown.
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Biden is the only democratic party member whose election was disputed. Rest have all been Republican.
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Headlines by @nytimes reported around each of India's 100 million doses vaccination milestones
via@indiainpixels 11:32 am · 22 Oct 2021

Indians (esp. the Hindus) were mocked by the world media as unscientific.

Since the beginning of the pandemic, the media targeted the Hindus with cow urine & cow dung jokes.

We crossed 100 crore vaccine doses.

The west struggling with vaccine hesitancy.

When it mattered the most, we chose science and they chose superstition
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Long, but worth reading. Save this article for posterity.

Operation Whistle Pig: Inside the secret CBP unit with no rules that investigates Americans

https://news.yahoo.com/operation-whistl ... 00147.html
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Chasing the Hindu Vote

Virginia’s recent gubernatorial election put a spotlight on the community, and how its political leanings are being shaped
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https://www.hpcwire.com/2022/01/20/nsb- ... 22-report/
January 20, 2022

This week the National Science Board released its biannual U.S. State of Science and Engineering 2022 report, as required by the NSF Act. Broadly, the report presents a near-term view of S&E based mostly on 2019 data. To a large extent, this year’s edition echoes trends from the last few reports. The U.S. is still a world leader in R&D spending and S&E education, but not making sufficient headway in recruiting underrepresented groups to S&E.
Here’s an excerpt from the NSB policy statement issued in conjunction with the report:

“Science and Engineering Indicators 2022 shows that no nation is the world leader in all aspects of S&E. Instead of one country leading in most research areas or by most science and engineering metrics, nations now lead in some research fields, but not all, and by some metrics, but not by others. Going forward, countries will shift more rapidly and frequently in their positions in the discovery and innovation enterprise as many more nations participate, compete, collaborate, and contribute to the sum total of human knowledge. In this world, the U.S. no longer leads by default – our country must act intentionally to achieve its strategic objectives. Since across-the-board leadership in S&E is no longer a possibility, what then should our goals be?”
At a briefing on the report held today, NSF director Sethuraman Panchanathan said, “This truly is a defining moment for several reasons. Amongst those reasons, the most important ones are, it’s a moment of increased global competition. We are also in a moment of tremendous opportunity to strengthen our research enterprise by bringing in the missing millions of talent and ideas from across the socioeconomic spectrum, geography and diversity.”

Ellen Ochoa, chair of NSB, touched on the decline of the U.S. attraction for international students. “While the U.S. remains the top destination for internationally mobile students worldwide, U.S. international student enrollment has declined since 2016 and this decline was much more pronounced in 2020 due to the Covid-19 pandemic. We don’t yet know the full ...
Below are the “key takeaways” bullets from the report’s executive summary:
  • Global research and development (R&D) performance is concentrated in a few countries, with the United States performing the most (27% of global R&D in 2019), followed by China (22%), Japan (7%), Germany (6%), and South Korea (4%).
  • The global concentration of R&D performance continues to shift from the United States and Europe to countries in East-Southeast Asia [/b]and South Asia.[/b] (My take: South Asia == India).
  • Many middle-income countries, such as China and India, are increasing science and engineering (S&E) publication, patenting activities, and knowledge- and technology-intensive (KTI) output, which has distributed science and technology (S&T) capabilities throughout the globe.
  • The proportion of total U.S. R&D funded by the U.S. government decreased from 31% in 2010 to an estimated 21% in 2019, even as the absolute amount of federally funded R&D increased.
  • The U.S. science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) labor force represents 23% of the total U.S. labor force, involves workers at all educational levels, and includes higher proportions of men, Whites, Asians, and foreign-born workers than the proportions of these groups in the U.S. population.
  • Blacks and Hispanics are underrepresented among students earning S&E degrees and among STEM workers with at least a bachelor’s degree. However, their share of STEM workers without a bachelor’s degree is similar to their share in the U.S. workforce.
...
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A few interesting facts about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sethuraman_Panchanathan from his Wikipedia page below:
Early life and education[edit]
Panchanathan was born and raised in Chennai.[3] He attended the Vivekananda College (University of Madras), graduating in 1981 with a B.Sc.1 in Physics. Subsequently, in 1984, he earned a B.E. in Electronics and Communication Engineering from the Indian Institute of Science in Bangalore, India. In 1986, he completed his M.Tech in Electrical Engineering from the Indian Institute of Technology, Madras. He later enrolled in the doctoral program at the University of Ottawa, Canada, and received his Ph.D. in Electrical and Computer Engineering in 1989 while working under the direction of Morris Goldberg.
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National Science Foundation[edit]
On June 13, 2014, Panchanathan was nominated by President Barack Obama as a member of the National Science Board of National Science Foundation.[14]

On December 19, 2019, President Donald Trump announced his intent to nominate Panchanathan to replace France Córdova as Director of the National Science Foundation.[15][16] On June 18, 2020, he was unanimously confirmed by the US Senate as the new Director of the National Science Foundation.[17] He assumed office on June 23, 2020.[3]
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In every civilisation or nation's rise to zenith, they invariably had highly esteemed centres of learning and research. True for ancient India, Greece, Rome, renaissance Europe and since then, the US.

There is something here to observe, (re)learn and implement in India for Indian context. That a foreigner like Panchanathan could rise to his potential and get appointed to high office in US, which will once again benefit from his abilities is a telling lesson for his home nation India.

There have been so many talented Indians who rose like him abroad. In all such cases, I feel 10% pride that he came from Bharat soil, 90% regret that we are losing such talent. Now since a few years, we are seeing a small RTI trend and a small reversal which is indeed a cause to feel better. But when bright minds from the world over queue up once again to study in Indian centres of learning and research, that would be a time to truly rejoice. May take a few more decades.
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Perils of Empire: The Roman Republic and the American Republic
Monte L. Pearson

Perils of Empire: The Roman Republic and the American Republic examines the similarities between the Roman Republic, which gained an empire and lost its freedoms, and the expansionist foreign policy of the American Republic since Teddy Roosevelt led the Rough Riders up San Juan Hill. The book points out startling similarities between Rome's history and that of the American Republic and traces the series of events leading to the Republic's collapse into civil war and eventual dictatorship. This well-researched study of both long-term trends and current events highlights the difficulties of balancing the demands of ruling an empire against democratic political institutions and political freedoms. Before the Roman Empire, a time of one-man rule and limited freedoms, there was the Roman Republic 500 years of free elections, civil liberties, and conquering armies. At first, the successful armies brought wealth and glory; then the Republican institutions began to groan under the strain of running an empire. There were feuds, then riots, then civil wars, and the Republic was gone. During this turbulent period, some of the most famous people in ancient history vied for power and glory Caesar, Cleopatra, Cicero, and Octavian, Caesar's nephew, who became Augustus, Rome's first Emperor. With an American army occupying Iraq and fierce debates over which civil liberties must be restricted in order to prosecute a never-ending war on terrorism, now is a good time to look into the historical mirror and examine the perils for democratic institutions when republics acquire empires.
The book was written in 2012. Since then a lot of turmoil in the US.
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Cyrano wrote:In every civilisation or nation's rise to zenith, they invariably had highly esteemed centres of learning and research. True for ancient India, Greece, Rome, renaissance Europe and since then, the US. ...
All that is true and I don't disagree with it.

Since this "Understanding the US" thread, I want to point out one thing that I highlighted. It was "much-maligned" Trump who nominated Dr. Panchanathan to head NSF.

Contrast that with the "follow the science" Obama/Biden administration under whose administration many more Medals of Freedom were given to artists than to people of science. Even G. W. Bush gave more many MoF to people of science. Same under Clinton.
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The US is on the verge of imploding.

Inflation has gone to double digits for the basics of food, housing and education. Job growth has been in the lower $15-$20/hr range. There is a shortage of engineers and scientists, but their salaries haven’t gone up much. Energy and transportation prices have gone up considerably. The Federal Reserve stimulus of buying US treasuries has slowed/stopped. Other pandemic stimulus has slowed and is mostly to states. Interest rates must be raised, but the debt servicing will eat up the annual budget, so everyone in government is on edge. The flip side of this is that equity markets are taking a beating and will continue to do so with a downturn comparable to 2008/09.

The pandemic has gotten out of control. States and federal governments don’t know what to do. Some states like FL are under reporting. Other states are reporting cases and deaths once or twice a week. They don’t even know what the active case count is. In one year of Biden, there have been more than 90,000 additional Covid deaths over Trump.

There are now 12 cities in the US which have extremely high violent crime rates. Gun violence has gotten completely out of hand. So much so that buying ammunition is expensive. NYC has returned to the 1980s. Property thefts have sky rocketed particularly for vehicles.

The US government is stoking war flames in Ukraine with the potential of a nuclear exchange. Don’t be surprised if Russian troops enter Ukraine and U.S. convinces the Uk govt to use tactical nukes on them on Uk soil.

All in all, a big cluster fukc no matter which party is in charge in the US. The signs of declining civilization are becoming evident.
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Have seen doom and gloom pictures painted so many times in US.
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The difference this time is the cadre of woke white upper middle class that has decided to destroy the United States because or the university indoctrination over the last 5 decades.

You see this crowd all over the Liberal Media and Hollywood.

On the other side you have the Bible thumping nut jobs who are losing power for the last 15 years. The society has not been able to balance it self.
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Chinese economy’s imminent collapse and an imploding US being replaced by China are two mutually contradicting beliefs that a lot of posters seem to have and like to fill thread with.

In this process of happy-state analysis, we ignore basic things like India-China trade has crossed 125 billion per annum and US has reoriented its forces back to Cold War days of higher-end warfare against a peer adversary, while slowly rolling back domestic disruption in their polity(election-influencing riots) and economy (from pandemic)

As has been pointed out many times, bringing in your american political biases to BRF, a forum dedicated to Indian interests is not advisable.
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Pratyush is correct. The difference in the past is the US had some time to self correct economically, which would cap political and social discontent. That window is closing.

The US media coverage of India has become negative, or disdain at the best. Couple this with internal US problems, we don’t know what uncertainty it brings.
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ramana wrote:Perils of Empire: The Roman Republic and the American Republic
Monte L. Pearson

Perils of Empire: The Roman Republic and the American Republic examines the similarities between the Roman Republic, which gained an empire and lost its freedoms, and the expansionist foreign policy of the American Republic since Teddy Roosevelt led the Rough Riders up San Juan Hill. The book points out startling similarities between Rome's history and that of the American Republic and traces the series of events leading to the Republic's collapse into civil war and eventual dictatorship. This well-researched study of both long-term trends and current events highlights the difficulties of balancing the demands of ruling an empire against democratic political institutions and political freedoms. Before the Roman Empire, a time of one-man rule and limited freedoms, there was the Roman Republic 500 years of free elections, civil liberties, and conquering armies. At first, the successful armies brought wealth and glory; then the Republican institutions began to groan under the strain of running an empire. There were feuds, then riots, then civil wars, and the Republic was gone. During this turbulent period, some of the most famous people in ancient history vied for power and glory Caesar, Cleopatra, Cicero, and Octavian, Caesar's nephew, who became Augustus, Rome's first Emperor. With an American army occupying Iraq and fierce debates over which civil liberties must be restricted in order to prosecute a never-ending war on terrorism, now is a good time to look into the historical mirror and examine the perils for democratic institutions when republics acquire empires.
The book was written in 2012. Since then a lot of turmoil in the US.
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The old adage of Power Corrupts and Absolute power corrupts absolutely applies aptly to why Republic became and Empire.
The old Republic after a term of Consul you went on to be Censor(a post with little power)
But Gaius Marius(Caesar's Uncle changed all that)
Following that one could become Consul more than one term and even Dictator(Sulla)
What followed was an Empire and destruction.
All POTUS NOW get two terms and even after that wield considerable power and that's a 'Greased Pole' for downslide.
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^^If one gets bored by Gibbon's 'Rise and Fall of.....' and wants a more fictionalized version read Collen McCullough's Rome series--quite entertaining!
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Rsatchi, the US has modeled itself after the Roman Republic. Hence it is useful to study Rome.
However, the election process was a corrective measure to prevent Dictators.
However, War on Terror, 2008 financial collapse, and election manipulation all are combining to create this mess.
Thanks for the comments.
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Mort Walker wrote:The difference in the past is the US had some time to self correct economically, which would cap political and social discontent. That window is closing.
I honestly wouldn't be too eager to bet against the US. Many have in the past, but somehow it always seems to recover if not emerge stronger. In hindsight the reasons for its successful recovery from each crisis seem obvious (and we can always say why the same reasons will not help them out for the next crisis)-- but perhaps they were not so obvious at the time everyone was predicting disaster.

I wrote this post years ago that talked about a historical cycle of ~5-year "Manthans" or churnings separated by ~30 year "Interim" periods of greater stability (or slower change) in the US, from the end of the Civil War to the election of Donald Trump.

viewtopic.php?p=2288673#p2288673

By this schema, 2015-2020 should have been a "Manthan" period and we should have entered a new "Interim" period, gravitating towards some sort of equilibrium, by 2021 or so. That has still not happened. I think the reason is more COVID than anything else-- not in living memory has anything else brought American society, economy, and polity to its knees for such a long and sustained period.

The sense of powerlessness engendered by the COVID experience is bipartisan, and it has caused American citizens to lose so much faith in the system that the "recovery" from the 2015-2020 Manthan has been slowed if not crippled. This lack of faith makes every other threat loom larger in the American public imagination than it otherwise would as well (China, Russia, "White Supremacism", "Woke Radicalism", pick your poison). The hopeless deficit of leadership in both Republican and Democratic parties has not helped either... they have become like religions, following doctrines, in the absence of any personality strong enough to give them direction.

But still. Somehow, the US has always recovered. There may be things we do not see yet. Parkalaam.
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RD can you write a short note on the impact of the Spanish Flu, that ravaged the world a hundred years ago, on US political scene ?
I don't think there was political fracture then.
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Will try to summarize, Ramana garu. In the meantime here is an interesting paper from NBER https://www.nber.org/system/files/worki ... w26866.pdf
The Coronavirus and the Great Influenza Pandemic: Lessons from the “Spanish Flu” for the Coronavirus’s Potential Effects on Mortality and Economic Activity
Robert J. Barro, José F. Ursúa & Joanna Weng
ABSTRACT
Mortality and economic contraction during the 1918-1920 Great Influenza Pandemic provide plausible upper bounds for outcomes under the coronavirus (COVID-19). Data for 48 countries imply flu-related deaths in 1918-1920 of 40 million, 2.1 percent of world population, implying 150 million deaths when applied to current population. Regressions with annual information on flu deaths 1918-1920 and war deaths during WWI imply flu-generated economic declines for GDP and consumption in the typical country of 6 and 8 percent, respectively. There is also some evidence that higher flu death rates decreased realized real returns on stocks and, especially, on short-term government bills.
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RD,

I’ve read your post from a few years ago. My reference was the economic crisis coming to the US in the next 5-10 years as the social safety net is reaching insolvency. It will create huge economic, social and political imbalances even without other economic impacts from wars and pandemics. If any of the other things happen, which is likely, the situation will only become worse.

Social Security and Medicaid/Medicare has about 65 million recipients as of today which will increase to nearly 80 million by 2030. It will consume 15-20% of the GDP.
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Rudradev wrote:But still. Somehow, the US has always recovered. There may be things we do not see yet. Parkalaam.
One-year delay at the start of a 30 year stability period is not much. If it goes to two years or three (fall out of 2022 mid-terms leading to a showdown in 2023 in the house and senate), that would be a cause for worry. Not much can be done by anybody. The governing differential equations are highly non-linear (i.e. stiff). A small wrong perturbation at the wrong time might result in a completely different conditionally stable point. Monodromy.

I am sure a few think tanks on all sides are gaming and simulating the scenarios as we speak. This is SOP.

Another variable entered the equation just a few hours back. Stephen Bryer is retiring with immediate effect. Hearings could be contentious which means an ideological fight in the house and senate.
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Mort Walker wrote:RD,

I’ve read your post from a few years ago. My reference was the economic crisis coming to the US in the next 5-10 years as the social safety net is reaching insolvency. It will create huge economic, social and political imbalances even without other economic impacts from wars and pandemics. If any of the other things happen, which is likely, the situation will only become worse.

Social Security and Medicaid/Medicare has about 65 million recipients as of today which will increase to nearly 80 million by 2030. It will consume 15-20% of the GDP.
Mortji,

Assuming no cuts from now to 2034, 22% cut is predicted across the board.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/socia ... 1643137121

GDP share by spending is somewhere around 5-13% during the same time period.
https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v69n4/v69n4p65.html

Barring miracles, amazing breakthroughs in the US economy, it will see shave atleast 1% to 3% GDP from a primary effect perspective.

Effect of pandemic -> impact can be felt as soon as 2026 :
https://www.npr.org/2021/09/01/10331516 ... vency-up-a
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Kaivalya ji,

That’s just Social Security. Combine it with Medicare+Medicaid, the impact to shaving the GDP will be higher. However, what will have a bigger impact is that both will eat up annual budgets of US government. Which is why I was saying the window for the US to recover from social, political and economic crisis is closing. It doesn’t matter which political party or individuals are in charge. This will certainly impact how the US interacts with the rest of the world and how long the USD remains king.
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Pastor, sister say rogue Alabama police force sought revenge

https://www.al.com/news/2022/01/pastor- ... venge.html
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The background of the above reporting:

Police in this tiny Alabama town suck drivers into legal ‘black hole’

https://www.al.com/news/2022/01/police- ... -hole.html


Our desi kotwals are nothing compared to these official Khan goons.
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Huge illegal immigration scam in the dead of night..Biden admn involvement
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https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/stat ... sj_mA&s=08

If true this is quite sinister, sabotaging the recovery while boosting short term GDP numbers!
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