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chetak wrote:the us is threatening to do exactly what it is accusing russia of doing

how does this work

or is it simply because us wars are "good wars" and russki wars are "bad wars"

sauce, goose, and gander principle not equally applicable to all
ah RED LINES :((

somehow its applicable only to western countries :roll:
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Cyrano wrote:US is already trying out its tried and tested regime change formula in Solomon Islands, sending some state dept people there to "reinforce democracy".

another " maidan" in the offing i guess
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chetak wrote:Image
He did not take aim at her. Actually Sagar enjeti tweeted that Vijaya Gadde was the one who suspended NYPOST for Hunter Biden story or justified gunning for some talk show host.

All Elon said was "banning NYPOST for a story is bad precendent"

He did not even utter a word against her. Some replies to Sagar abused or criticized her.

WaPo and all shitcan liberals started attacking him saying he is the reason for attacks on her.

We know how US was in 90s and how it is Now. But Vijaya somehow tells this sob story of her father asking permission of KKK clan. It is possible 70s this happened in Texas. But using it as crutch to call US as white supremacist country is reprehensible.
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Vijaya is a slimy character. You have to see her on the Joe Rogan podcast to find out just how much.
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Astonishing how anyone in America somehow manages to find PIOs to do their dirty work.

And I mean ANYONE: The US Government (Dalip Singh), International Islamists (Pramila Jayapal and Ro Khanna), Social-Media Leftists (Vijaya Gadde and Parag Agrawal), Academic Leftists (I can think of fifty right off the bat), the Mainstream Media (insert another fifty here), and Wall Street Kleptocrats (Raj Rajarathnam, Rajat Gupta, Vikram Pandit).

And invariably it's the PIO who is the public figurehead, faces the heat, and takes the fall when the time comes. No wonder the Anglosphere won two world wars with Indian manpower and stole 46 trillion pounds sterling of Indian wealth... they had plenty of help.

Prediction (added later): the next high-profile PIO will be appointed by Biden Administration to replace Federal Reserve chairperson Janet Yellen-- once she has made a complete mess of things and the US economy has effectively become a 747 in an irreversible nosedive.

When the appointment is announced, Indian media will go to town celebrating the "success of Indian-Americans". When the collapse comes, it will be the Desi's fault.
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Saagar Enjeti @esaagar Apr 26

Vijaya Gadde, the top censorship advocate at Twitter who famously gaslit the world on Joe Rogan's podcast and censored the Hunter Biden laptop story, is very upset about the @elonmusk takeover
Elon Musk @elonmusk
Replying to @esaagar

Suspending the Twitter account of a major news organization for publishing a truthful story was obviously incredibly inappropriate
These are 2 tweets. WaPo, WSJ, and hundreds of slaves in India start painting this as Elon's attack on weak, brown, female :evil:
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Aiyyyyyo! :D

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/2 ... y-00028536

The Biden boom turns into a GDP bust
The government said gross domestic product shrank at a 1.4 percent annualized rate in the first quarter

GOTUS supporters were hanging on to this one slender thread of hope: that despite the persistent COVID numbers, overwhelming inflation, supply chain crisis, etc... the labour scarcity and rising wages meant that the US economy was actually doing very well, and it would only be a matter of time before the indicators swung around to reflect this.

Now that is also dashed. And worse yet-- the Federal Reserve is about to raise interest rates to curb inflation, which will also strangle the current rate of growth (or accelerate the current rate of contraction) of the US economy!

Quick, time to appoint that Desi to the head of the Federal Reserve, or maybe as Secretary of the Treasury. I nominate a bright young Indian American like Raghuram Rajan or Arvind Subramanian for the position.
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Rudradev wrote:I nominate a bright young Indian American like Raghuram Rajan or Arvind Subramanian for the position.
Neither is an American.

I would nominate Kalpen Modi or Hasan Minhaj. I don't think any knowledge of central banking is required anyway. If comedians can become presidents and CMs, why not central bank governors. Plus extra "brownie" (pun intended) points for being the first desi gay/desi green fed guv.
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Rudradev wrote:Aiyyyyyo! :D

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/2 ... y-00028536

The Biden boom turns into a GDP bust
The government said gross domestic product shrank at a 1.4 percent annualized rate in the first quarter

GOTUS supporters were hanging on to this one slender thread of hope: that despite the persistent COVID numbers, overwhelming inflation, supply chain crisis, etc... the labour scarcity and rising wages meant that the US economy was actually doing very well, and it would only be a matter of time before the indicators swung around to reflect this.

Now that is also dashed. And worse yet-- the Federal Reserve is about to raise interest rates to curb inflation, which will also strangle the current rate of growth (or accelerate the current rate of contraction) of the US economy!

Quick, time to appoint that Desi to the head of the Federal Reserve, or maybe as Secretary of the Treasury. I nominate a bright young Indian American like Raghuram Rajan or Arvind Subramanian for the position.
The Xiden administration was supposed to be the “adults in charge” now look like clueless children. They’ve now appointed a minister of truth within DHS.

Rising fuel prices, inflation, mismanagement of the federal budget, threat of higher taxation (first six months federal revenue is over $2.12T), uncertainty in small and medium size business, and rising interest rates on US Treasuries will cause economic contraction this quarter ending in June. Two quarters of declining GDP will officially put the US into recession. With high inflation is known as stagflation.

The scary part is that Russia is going to really threaten nuclear war later this year.

Xiden/Harris must resign along with the speaker of the House, Senate majority leader, and all members of the cabinet.
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Pratyush wrote:Vijaya is a slimy character. You have to see her on the Joe Rogan podcast to find out just how much.

but she is exactly what the whitey's want jack on crack always fired from her willing "shoulder for hire"

⁦vij@y@ is an uncle tom, par excellence, and she can put any h0use n!gg#r to shame

every big tech has one such on their rolls and they are there for a specific g@$l!ght!ng reason and mission
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vijayk wrote:



Elon Musk @elonmusk
Replying to @esaagar

Suspending the Twitter account of a major news organization for publishing a truthful story was obviously incredibly inappropriate
These are 2 tweets. WaPo, WSJ, and hundreds of slaves in India start painting this as Elon's attack on weak, brown, female :evil:

the global left is in great panic

Their monopoly over narrative navigation and creative information management gets challenged for these woke, politically pious and indeed, many other newspapers of similar ilk and anyway, at the end of the day, these media houses just do not have the reach and influence of a agile, dynamic twitter like platform that now, may not be wholly amenable to agenda driven commie colonization of the public mind

the deep state will weigh in now and tilt the scales in favor of easily controlled media because they have seen what this media management manipulation can do and has done in ukraine.

BTW, one suspects that the saudis haven't tamely traded in their approx 9% in twitter ownership without seeing some benefit for themselves because just a few days ago, the saudi owner who, just flat out refused to sell to musk, but seems to have caved in pretty fast
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Will they wait till the mid-term mayhem or throw Xiden under the bus even before to salvage what little is left for the Left?
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Najunamar wrote:Will they wait till the mid-term mayhem or throw Xiden under the bus even before to salvage what little is left for the Left?
It is possible the Xiden administration will start a direct war with Russia and in the process declare martial law or some sort of national emergency this September.
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A Deshmukh wrote:I do not know Elon Musk's political leanings.
Supposedly a libertarian (in the classical sense).
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Mort Walker wrote:It is possible the Xiden administration will start a direct war with Russia and in the process declare martial law or some sort of national emergency this September.
War drums started on Fox NN already. They are giving a huge amount of exposure to Putin's "nuclear saber-rattling". Putin himself is playing on their fears. He wants some kind of show down, maybe.
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Pratyush wrote:Vijaya is a slimy character. You have to see her on the Joe Rogan podcast to find out just how much.
she and other slimy wokes like her are fearful that their "free speech platform" will be turned by musk, into a "platform that actually allows free speech"

right from the very beginning, for the wokes and commies it was all about censorship and censorship under their sole control.

Goebbels was always their hero

A similar meltdown is taking place in a panicked academia too because their ability to de-platform or cancel non favorites is seriously at risk and without this power in setting the narrative they have no credibility to command

@MaxBoot · 14 Apr

I am frightened by the impact on society and politics if Elon Musk acquires Twitter. He seems to believe that on social media anything goes. For democracy to survive, we need more content moderation, not less.
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Vayutuvan wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:It is possible the Xiden administration will start a direct war with Russia and in the process declare martial law or some sort of national emergency this September.
War drums started on Fox NN already. They are giving a huge amount of exposure to Putin's "nuclear saber-rattling". Putin himself is playing on their fears. He wants some kind of show down, maybe.
Therein lies the problem. The neocons and neolibs have been exposed as one in the same. War in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine is all good for the MIC and elites.
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and the amerikis are hell bent on getting India to also march into the desert of supporting ukraine, hoping that when they do so, the russkis will abandon us and leave us at the tender mercies of folks like victoria nuland

@GarlandNixon· 26 Apr

BREAKING NEWS: White House insiders leak that , when asked about the current EU economic calamity, Victoria Nuland remarked, "I knew those f#ckers were gullible, but I never thought they'd happily march right into the slaughter house."
https://twitter.com/GarlandNixon/status ... WPo5QqAAAA
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more amreki propaganda


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vijayk wrote:
chetak wrote:Image
He did not take aim at her. Actually Sagar enjeti tweeted that Vijaya Gadde was the one who suspended NYPOST for Hunter Biden story or justified gunning for some talk show host.

All Elon said was "banning NYPOST for a story is bad precendent"

He did not even utter a word against her. Some replies to Sagar abused or criticized her.

WaPo and all shitcan liberals started attacking him saying he is the reason for attacks on her.

We know how US was in 90s and how it is Now. But Vijaya somehow tells this sob story of her father asking permission of KKK clan. It is possible 70s this happened in Texas. But using it as crutch to call US as white supremacist country is reprehensible.
Bunch of crock. Texas is hardly a KKK country. Alabama, Georgia Florida are all KKK land.

I have a theory that Gadhi is against Trump as NaMo supported him.
Her slogan is indicative of her mind view.
IOW she is carrying Indian politics into US milieu.
Same with the other guy Dileep Singh Sand (in china shop) who got dismissed yesterday.
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chetak wrote:and the amerikis are hell bent on getting India to also march into the desert of supporting ukraine, hoping that when they do so, the russkis will abandon us and leave us at the tender mercies of folks like victoria nuland

@GarlandNixon· 26 Apr

BREAKING NEWS: White House insiders leak that , when asked about the current EU economic calamity, Victoria Nuland remarked, "I knew those f#ckers were gullible, but I never thought they'd happily march right into the slaughter house."
https://twitter.com/GarlandNixon/status ... WPo5QqAAAA
My other theory is that the Ukraine crisis is egged on by Biden Admin to put the EU in a bind and remove them as an economic power.
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ramana wrote:
chetak wrote:and the amerikis are hell bent on getting India to also march into the desert of supporting ukraine, hoping that when they do so, the russkis will abandon us and leave us at the tender mercies of folks like victoria nuland




https://twitter.com/GarlandNixon/status ... WPo5QqAAAA
My other theory is that the Ukraine crisis is egged on by Biden Admin to put the EU in a bind and remove them as an economic power.
It isn't to remove them as an economic power, but rather weaken them so they are economically dependent on the US. It is a return to business as usual. In 2005, the failed Orange Revolution, followed by the successful 2014 Maidan Revolution. From 2017-2021 that was disrupted and now the clock has been set back to 2017.
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Mort Walker wrote:
ramana wrote:
My other theory is that the Ukraine crisis is egged on by Biden Admin to put the EU in a bind and remove them as an economic power.
It isn't to remove them as an economic power, but rather weaken them so they are economically dependent on the US. It is a return to business as usual. In 2005, the failed Orange Revolution, followed by the successful 2014 Maidan Revolution. From 2017-2021 that was disrupted and now the clock has been set back to 2017.
No threat from the russkis for NATO.... and by extension, the US. Since security is not going to be an issue anymore, the EU's economic power has to be curtailed lest they start to compete with the US. Besides many countries in the EU are starting to re arm themselves and that will detract from any focussed and coordinated economic block like approach and outreach by the EU.

They are weakening Putin deliberately so that he poses no threat to the EU and sacrificing ukraine to keep the fighting away from whitey lands.

Once NATO recedes into the background, france and germany will duke it out for european leadership and each have their own followers and that will lead to resource fragmentation, disagreements, and dissensions in the ranks in the medium to long term

Indo Pacific is the new mantra that the US is very keen on pushing because that is where the new threat is likely to emanate from. This includes a nuke powered core of the AUKAS with service providers like India and japan

The US, with little role to play in europe, is looking to be THE hegemon power in the Indo Pacific region and hence the urgent efforts to strong arm India into submission, defang her of russki weapons, and make her a docile, easily controlled, and well behaved follower.

The cheenis may be in very much more trouble than they are letting on and the US may be resolutely pushing its way into the region after seeing xi diverted in his own big troubles. BTW, xi has not stepped out of his country for over two years now

xi's internal detractors are already after him for the fiascos in the CPEC and OBOR, covid shutdowns of entire cities badly affecting global supply chains where others have already started to muscle in.

A debt trap parasite, especially a cunning chinese debt trap parasite, is only successful, if it doesn't end up killing the host.

The dumb cheenis have already killed off the pakis and the SLs, financially and economically speaking, of course.

The US can never be trusted because there is no continuity of foreign policies from president to president. Each caped crusader in the white house is a self imagined global steam roller keen on dominating the world all by him/her self.

Bare back bronco riding congressmen/senators, making "pressler" like amendments against India, is a huge risk that India simply can not take and in every arms deal, this will always hang like the sword of Damocles over India

The US is not looking for multi polarity but aspires to be the sole and single superpower like it was in the past after WWII and with no challenger in sight.

Despite what the US thinktankis may say publicly, everyone knows for sure that the vital path to superpower leadership, and sole domination, now runs firmly through the Indo Pacific, where India sits like a permanently anchored and unsinkable aircraft carrier, dominating major sea lanes and choke points.

So, it's really no wonder that some geriatric amerikis are soiling their adult diapers.

france will find her way into the QUAD, sooner, rather than later, and that can only help India
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chetak wrote: Once NATO recedes into the background, france and germany will duke it out for european leadership and each have their own followers and that will lead to resource fragmentation, disagreements, and dissensions in the ranks in the medium to long term
chetak sir, what is your reasoning for this assertion? france and germany have had no public spats, the titular head of the eu usually has pedigree from both of the nations, even in terms of policy, germany handles the internal while france handles the external aspects of eu relationship; no tangible decision is taken without the express agreement of the two nations; what will prompt them for competing for the european leadership when all signs portend that the eu leadership will be shared between the two (a frankreich and deutschreich jugalbandi reminiscent of the holy roman empire).
Also, you speak of followers and their resources, do you mean the north-south divide where the med countries favour france and the nordics favour germany? what of the visegrad then, always uneasy of german leadership, or powerful entities such as denmark or nonaligned ones such as finland?
france will find her way into the QUAD, sooner, rather than later, and that can only help India
Again sir, what is your reasoning? france has has issues with the aukus since its inception, it has always tried to maintain a foreign policy independent of anglo influence, why then this accommodation, for reunion islands? it has not tried to be a world chaudhary for quite some time now.
From our angle, goralog might be goralog, but they have had numerous and long-lasting disputes and much blood-letting amongst themselves; to think a nato redux in i-p shores due to strongman us might discount the independent streak of france.
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ricky_v wrote:
chetak wrote: Once NATO recedes into the background, france and germany will duke it out for european leadership and each have their own followers and that will lead to resource fragmentation, disagreements, and dissensions in the ranks in the medium to long term
chetak sir, what is your reasoning for this assertion? france and germany have had no public spats, the titular head of the eu usually has pedigree from both of the nations, even in terms of policy, germany handles the internal while france handles the external aspects of eu relationship; no tangible decision is taken without the express agreement of the two nations; what will prompt them for competing for the european leadership when all signs portend that the eu leadership will be shared between the two (a frankreich and deutschreich jugalbandi reminiscent of the holy roman empire).
Also, you speak of followers and their resources, do you mean the north-south divide where the med countries favour france and the nordics favour germany? what of the visegrad then, always uneasy of german leadership, or powerful entities such as denmark or nonaligned ones such as finland?
france will find her way into the QUAD, sooner, rather than later, and that can only help India
Again sir, what is your reasoning? france has has issues with the aukus since its inception, it has always tried to maintain a foreign policy independent of anglo influence, why then this accommodation, for reunion islands? it has not tried to be a world chaudhary for quite some time now.
From our angle, goralog might be goralog, but they have had numerous and long-lasting disputes and much blood-letting amongst themselves; to think a nato redux in i-p shores due to strongman us might discount the independent streak of france.
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France has legitimate interests in the Indo pacific region: She has colonial properties which she still holds. Lots of frenchies settled in mauritius for the past 150-200 years or so

Mayotte and La Réunion islands, Scattered Islands and French Southern and Antarctic Territories, New Caledonia, Wallis and Futuna, French Polynesia and Clipperton.

Historically, european countries has always been at loggerheads with each other.

france and germany, because of their size, being erstwhile colonial powers and among the more powerful and prosperous countries on the continent and having fought the three major conflicts that pitted these nations against each other: the Franco–Prussian War (1870 – 1871), World War I (1914 – 1918) and World War II (1939 – 1945).

Also the ancient rivalry and cultural differences between the gauls and the germanic tribes – the pre-roman cultures that gradually evolved into france and germany – were noted by Julius Caesar in his "On The Gallic War".

france has great power pretensions, just like germany who are a tad more circumspect in openly showing such aspirations. They were also the first to resource for a fairly robust military budget (100 billion euros to start with) when the amerikis said that they would no longer be willing to carry the burden of european security.

A swiss friend of mine once said to me that if the europeans really feared anyone, it was the french because of their utter ruthlessness and cruel streak.

Both the french and germans are dominating powers and see each other as rivals in this enterprise. Both are unpopular countries in their own backyards. France has an inherent advantage with India as she is well regarded here.

UK snuck into the QUAD because of the AUKAS and france will sneak in as well because of India. UK is leveraging the QUAD to prise open the trade deal
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RD wrote
GOTUS supporters were hanging on to this one slender thread of hope: that despite the persistent COVID numbers, overwhelming inflation, supply chain crisis, etc... the labour scarcity and rising wages meant that the US economy was actually doing very well, and it would only be a matter of time before the indicators swung around to reflect this.
Its astounding to see this collective group think among Desi Democrats in California. And some are VCs!
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the hypocrisy is there for all to see

this is realpolitik

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Its astounding to see this collective group think among Desi Democrats in California. And some are VCs!
When the economy is awash with fiat money VC's are just looking for startups that don't defraud them until they can get an absurd valuation, cash in and exit. 10% big hit ratio like a Peloton is good enough for most. Most VCs are no different from Vegas whales these days.
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A swiss friend of mine once said to me that if the europeans really feared anyone, it was the french because of their utter ruthlessness and cruel streak.
Good they think so. Reality is pretty pathetic actually swinging between petty vandalism and chronic depression.
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The Swiss were quite mean themselves.
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The only time the VCs bent the ear of this admin was when the long term capital gains tax proposal looked like it was getting traction. Everyone is in it for themselves, most of all the VCs.
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^ The data shows that overturning Roe v Wade works in favor of the Democrats in more way than one. Longer term effect, but should result in some more voters for that party.

Black and Hispanic people have the most to lose if Roe is overturned
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vera_k wrote:^ The data shows that overturning Roe v Wade works in favor of the Democrats in more way than one. Longer term effect, but should result in some more voters for that party.

Black and Hispanic people have the most to lose if Roe is overturned
Is there is a "beyond the regime change" on going global project like enterprise in place that seeks to redefine and radically empower the non white space and alter the power dynamics of the white and traditional WASP narrative to engineer a potentially alternate global socio political ecosystem cast in the mould of an erstwhile soviet style commie concern but without the rigid concerns of limiting national borders and the promotion of a fluid ethnicity that transcends identity and obscures the notion of allegiance to nations and flags

The massive influxes of refugees in the EU, (brexit has temporarily dodged the bullet), the US and parts of asia closer to India have the potential and also the capability of selectively shifting demographics and precipitating national boundary changing/mitigating politically sensitized socio economic drivers to usher in a new and changed political order

It also looks like black swan type of political impediments like trump and Modi have slowed them down.

Biden has replaced trump in a very obvious regime change endeavour and a push for replacing Modi is slowly but surely gathering increasing momentum.

shaheenbagh and the off shore funded, BIF precipitated "farmer's agitation" was not as innocent or spontaneous as it looked. There was absolutely nothing organic about these and other such violent ongoing social disruptions

aren't $0r0$ and his minions aspiring to do just that
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US's fixation on banning abortion despite its 'champion of individual rights ' rhetoric was always a giveaway about its hypocretic core.
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Some states are bringing in bills that ask for death penalty for those doing abortion. Strange reasoning for those believing in sanctity of life. More likely it has to do with orthodox Christian dogma than life itself.
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Wasn't a law passed some time ago in TX or FL rewarding snitches and abortion bounty hunters? This death penalty is the next step.

We can count on the new Ministry of Truth to spin all that appropriately!
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Cyrano wrote:
We can count on the new Ministry of Truth to spin all that appropriately!
Curiously all the things people said will happen in Trumps time are happening by Bidens hand:

Threat of nuclear war
Huge defence spending
Much more deaths by Covid
Inflation affecting the poor
Disinformation ministry

At least the first 2 cant be laid at Trumps door, while the third is a partial.
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Re: Understanding the US - Again

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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/bidens ... 022-04-26/


U.S. President Joe Biden's deputy national security adviser, Daleep Singh, a key architect of global sanctions against Russia, plans to take an extended leave of absence in the near future, two people briefed on the situation said on Tuesday.
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Re: Understanding the US - Again

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They can't fire him as he is an Omababa man.
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