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chetak wrote:jack on crack has left his employees holding the bag
Elon Musk@elonmusk·7 Feb

Going forward, Twitter will be broadly accepting of different values, rather than trying to impose its own specific values on the world
"broadly" :lol: well jiski laathi uski bhains..
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This is the world's greatest "democracy", using corrupt govt machinery to fix a presidential election

Rep. Elise Stefanik@RepStefanik·10 Feb

The FBI paid Twitter over $3.4 million of taxpayer dollars to censor stories – including the Hunter Biden laptop story.

53% of Americans made aware of the Hunter Biden laptop story would have changed their vote in 2020.

This is unconstitutional election meddling.

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In the run up to the 2016 elections Comey had the FBI open up the Hillary Email investigation again in late October even though there wasn't any new evidence... The likes of NYT even ran full page stories for multiple days and it's understood that was a pretty big factor in allowing Donald to scrape through in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and beat his 9:1 odds

And now in 2020 they did the opposite which now benefited Democrats??

What exactly would be the FBI's motivation in doing all this
Is it just ways to make themselves be releveant, Is it just selling out to the higher bidder?... Is it the so called "Deep State" acting via the FBI?


Supporters of either party may cry foul but it's clear that both Democrats and Repubs have benefited heavily from election meddling, whether it be by FBI or by Russia or by Cambridge Analytica style social media programming
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^^ Its like Indian FCRA laws that both BJP and Congress keep changing because it suits their purpose. Both parties have actively helped each other change the definitions to avoid legal trouble.
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Amber G,
What's the fall out of the Ohio train wreck? Hope you folks are ok
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^^^ Thanks. We are okay..keeping uptodate .. monitoring our water supply ( some water-streams - Ohio river water is effected)
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UNBELIEVABLE that national media totally ignored the news for 3 dats. Only twitter was the source.
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Biden’s statements are worth less than the paper it’s printed on. His entire party is anti-Hindu led from the front by the like of Pramila PayPal and the other one from Bay Area that Po Banana
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For all it's green eco friendly talk, Biden admin is the most callous and deceitful. Idem wrt freedom of press etc. Reporters from local media trying to cover the train wreck and controlled burning of vinyl spewing black clouds for days - were arrested ! Vids on yt etc
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Cyrano wrote:For all it's green eco friendly talk, Biden admin is the most callous and deceitful. Idem wrt freedom of press etc. Reporters from local media trying to cover the train wreck and controlled burning of vinyl spewing black clouds for days - were arrested ! Vids on yt etc
This is all fluff. Not sure what these reporters will "cover" other than waste hours of TV time. Let's wait for the root cause identification.

While a conclusive (or even initial) investigation report will take some time, Wikipedia has a nice compilation of the events and possible root causes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Ohio ... derailment
The train was not equipped with electronically controlled pneumatic brakes, which a former Federal Railroad Administration official claimed would have mitigated the severity of the accident.[5] In 2017, Norfolk Southern successfully lobbied the Trump administration to repeal the regulations requiring the use of such brakes on trains carrying hazardous materials.[5]
As with many prior chemical disasters, companies cutting corners and employing lobbyists could very well be the root cause here. Not sure till the CSB completes investigation. The CSB is an excellent agency which, like EPA, faced serious cuts under Trump. At least Bhaidanwa has recovered these two agencies.
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It's not about what caused the accident saar, US love for rail is well known. It's about how the incident was managed. Why was so much vinyl chloride ityadi allowed to slow burn? What steps were taken and communicated to protect humans, flora, fauna, soil, water systems from the hazard? Why reporters are being arrested?

How would these same people have reacted if this happened during Trump era?
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Cyrano wrote:It's not about what caused the accident saar, US love for rail is well known. It's about how the incident was managed. Why was so much vinyl chloride ityadi allowed to slow burn? What steps were taken and communicated to protect humans, flora, fauna, soil, water systems from the hazard? Why reporters are being arrested?

How would these same people have reacted if this happened during Trump era?
That is what the CSB and the EPA will assess comprehensively. Before that, we will get mostly fragmented reports.

I havent read all the available reports, but it looks like the vinyl chloride containers are stranded and going nowhere. Probably it was decided to slow burn it off, clearly making PVC was no longer an option.

Possible reaction during Trump era...no clue/no interest. Its history. However, policies from that time may have a role in this accident.
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Days after toxic chemical spill in Ohio, molten debris rain down on several buildings in the state after massive explosion in a metal factory
https://www.opindia.com/2023/02/molten- ... s-factory/
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in this competitive and cut-throat world, even suicides are getting complicated
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Yeah suicide by murder. Just a second order type of suicide.
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Don't miss it. I am glad he is direct and bringing these ideas to mainstream
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I’ve always wondered who is pulling the strings behind the curtain when it comes to controlling information on the SM? An example I deal with daily is the Apple iPhone news feed. Every news about India is negative while China or west are always positive.

Take an example today these, appear right next to each other:

India's forex reserves at 11-week low, down for third week

China calls for Russia-Ukraine war cease-fire

Even Pakistan gets mostly positive coverage. There is hardly any headlines about Pakistan. Sometime there is glowing article how Kaptaan will save the world or some other BS.

Seems like there is a deep rooted bias that is systematically propagated via every possible channel in the US.
Even ChatGPT is openly creating racist jokes about Indians while it refuses to do so about any other religion or ethnicity.
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I have noticed the same for years.

It has something to do with poverty, India’s political independence, religious identity and definitely white guilt. With some latent green guilt thrown in.


As in, yes we did some brutal things to Indians but they are a beastly people anyway. And unlike the red indian or Africans or aboriginals from Australia, they will likely do something about it.

So goes the thinking.
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Anti India sentiment has been US for decades. Grade school we were shown pictures of starving babies while fat men were worshipping cows.

Junior high we were taught how British ended sati.

1971 war aftermath TV showed massacre of West Pakis as Indians watched.

Moraji acknowledging urine drinking was on prime time.

Peter Sellers racist Indian caricature in the movie the Party which would not have tolerated for a Jew.

Refusal to admit Oppenheimer was a Hindu. Lucas Star Wars is based on Indian epics. Arabic numerals.

Plus sa change plus a meme chose
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Ah yes, Deepak Chopra said on record that he left India because people fed cows and not the poor. So, of course he had to come to America and recycle Vedanta for a few dollars taken from the idle airhead class.


It doesn’t bother him that some live in grotesque plenitude while others live homeless and many more die prematurely with no medical insurance. Selective outrage pays the bills.
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To put it in easily understood terms, many of their dogs live better lives than their co-citizens. But never bothered the dude.

After all he trained as a physician not a veterinarian.
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sanjaykumar wrote:Yeah suicide by murder. Just a second order type of suicide.
Well, you see. He shot himself by the river side. Threw the weapon into the water and then walked upto his home/forest to hang himself from a rope. Yes, that's how the cops see it.
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i do not want to derail the topic under discussion in the ukraine thread, so i have posted my thoughts here

the us, if not a counterfeit rome, is a continuation of the mediterranean statecraft, ergo, currently a mixture of rome and carthage, the 2 strongest med powers at the same time

meditarranean sea outlook
Aristotle (384–322) discusses Carthage in his work, Politica; he begins: "The Carthaginians are also considered to have an excellent form of government." He briefly describes the city as a "mixed constitution", a political arrangement with cohabiting elements of monarchy, aristocracy, and democracy, i.e., a king (Gk: basileus), a council of elders (Gk: gerusia), and the people (Gk: demos).[132] Later Polybius of Megalopolis (c. 204–122, Greek) in his Histories would describe the Roman Republic in more detail as a mixed constitution in which the Consuls were the monarchy, the Senate the aristocracy, and the Assemblies the democracy. [ /quote]

so a common theme in the makeup of state apparatus in atleast 2 med powers
Aristotle remarked also:

Many of the Carthaginian institutions are excellent. The superiority of their constitution is proved by the fact that the common people remain loyal to the constitution; the Carthaginians have never had any rebellion worth speaking of, and have never been under the rule of a tyrant.
so very unlike rome, but very much true for the us
In Carthage the people seemed politically satisfied and submissive, according to the historian Warmington. They in their assemblies only rarely exercised the few opportunities given them to assent to state decisions. Popular influence over government appears not to have been an issue at Carthage.

Being a commercial republic fielding a mercenary army, the people were not conscripted for military service, an experience which can foster the feel for popular political action. But perhaps this misunderstands the society; perhaps the people, whose values were based on small-group loyalty, felt themselves sufficiently connected to their city's leadership by the very integrity of the person-to-person linkage within their social fabric. Carthage was very stable; there were few openings for tyrants.
the us is a commercial republic, it is the basis of their charter and constitution, they do not have a mercenary army in the classical form, what i mean is that the composition of people serving in the armed forces is now heavily leaning towards peoples who do not have a common origin with this civilisational philosophy; also, carthage had a strong navy and indifferent army, which was the opposite for rome

the us is also very stable, damnably so, and the explanation usually provided for this cause is the stability in the society, and few opening for tyrants

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i posit that the mahanian philosophy is a continuation of this meditarranean civilisational outlook, from the structure of the government, to outlook on trade and societal advancement; this also means that the us forces the arena and its encumbering baggage onto seas that it deems meditarranean, earlier the atlantic was the med, all the relevant powers on both sides of the atlantic were forced to adopt the above med civilisational policy, though to many it looked to be the us hegemony

now, the us has made the indo-pacific the meditarranean, ergo all relevant powers to both sides of this new sea must necessarily adopt the med civilisational outlook
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vimal wrote:Even ChatGPT is openly creating racist jokes about Indians while it refuses to do so about any other religion or ethnicity.
One of the lead researchers of GPT-3 has a Muslim name. He made a series of tweets about GPT-3 has become is islamophobic due to the training set it has been fed with. I heard similar on a discourse Discord group which is only for technical discussions. Oh, then the whole drama of Timnit Gebur getting fired plus the "technical papers" of a Linguistics professor (I forget her name) which include "dire consequences" of "biased training sets". And then there is this woman

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Zh ... tleblower)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Zh ... ent_abuses
Unveiled government abuses[edit]/
She found series of "multiple blatant attempts by foreign national governments to abuse our platform on vast scales to mislead their own citizenry, [which] caused international news on multiple occasions".[5] Most notably, these included:

Honduras, 2018:[8] President Juan Orlando Hernández - From June to July 2018, 78% of Hernández’s Facebook posts received likes that were not from real people, artificially boosting his apparent popular support by a factor of five.[5] The social manager of Hernández's official Facebook pages, for both Hernández and his late sister who had served as communications minister, was directly controlling several hundreds of fake entities.[5] This campaign used Facebook's Organization Pages, configured with human names and photographs, to add support and to lure unaware readers.[5]

Azerbaijan, 2019:[9] Zhang found the ruling party to be using thousands of Organization Pages to harass opposition parties.[2] The network of pages was still active as of June, 2021.[1]

India,[10] USA,[11] Dominican Republic,[12] Mexico,[11] Honduras,[11] El Salvador,[12] Ecuador,[11] Bolivia,[11] Paraguay,[11] Argentina,[11] Italy,[11] Poland,[11] Ukraine,[11] Albania,[11] Bulgaria,[11] Turkey,[11] Iraq,[11] Tunisia,[11] Afghanistan,[12] Mongolia,[11] India,[11] Myanmar, Indonesia,[11] Philippines,[11] South Korea[11] and more.

Departure from Facebook[edit]
Zhang was fired from Facebook in September 2020. She declined a $64,000 severance package attached to a non-disparagement agreement restricting her ability to speak publicly about Facebook issues.[12] On her departure day, she posted a 7,800-word departure message to Facebook's internal message board outlining Facebook’s failure to combat political manipulation campaigns similar to the Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections.[5] Anticipating Facebook's deletion of the post, she created a personal, password-protected website with a copy of the post, then distributed its web address and password to Facebook co-workers.[5]

Facebook suppressed the message on the internal board, then contacted Zhang's web hosting service and domain registrar to request and force her private website offline.[5]


Most prominently China is missing in her "exposes" of "autocratic govts.". Who gave a platform to her ranting and raving? Why al Gaurdian ofc.
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After reading more about it, I am to the conclusion that there are no good players on either side - whistleblowers are dancing to somebody's tune so are the SM management. There seems to be a power struggle between the "soft" techies and the "hardcore" who want to amass wealth at any cost.
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Ricky_v Quite thought provoking.
It also means they are prisoners of history and impose the past on the future.
It might have worked with the Atlantic Ocean as other side was Europe and Africa.
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indeed, ramana sir, the scholarly west as a whole has been very interested in the rise of rome, which necessitates the study of punic wars. Fukuyama stated after the fall of the berlin wall that history had ended, as liberalism was the only competitor standing, all other forms of government had lost out.

But, this philosophy of the democratic / republic outlook is the viewpoint of dominant powers in the med sea, a mercantilist sea trading civilisations, with very little truck with the rural food-growing interiors, looking at the haughty eu and us today having mercantilist relations with one other, while the rural food growers serve as a granary race, both in their occupation and utility, the view might be illuminating, but that viewpoint is neither her nor there for the moment.

The point i was trying to make is that the med politic is the final winner of all civilisations, or so fukuyama would argue, we ha ve/d others, but they have morphed into visions of the med, that is the clear winner of all arguments and ultimately wars.

To better safeguard us, carthage was the dominant med power with a strong navy, heavy focus on commercialisation, stable governance, constitution of a commercial republic and little tyranny, they were defeated by rome, who though of med stock and political outlook, had a focus on army, unsteady relation between populace and government, focus on land development and independent growth of regions ultimately leading to tyrants. If all the world (relevant powers) is now meditarranean in their political outlook, then the winner, or a dominant partner may be looked for in the initial squabbles of that region, for unceasing war against all circumstances either requires obeisance and amalgamation or vanquishment and amalgamation (med outlook)
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biden's afghani bye bye not appreciated


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on again, off again......

can't the amerikis make up their minds (the amerikis were also deeply complicit in directly funding this whuan lab in their "gain of function" research)

looks like the amerikis and the cheeni are "kati" once again


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If one had only asked nicely, the syrians, iraqis, libyans and afghans would have produced a better and much more detailed report for free.

Didn't need a first world team to highlight how incompetent the ameriki forces are. Start with korea..... (and the cheeni)


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At some point, India, now a great power, has to choose a side in Ukrainian war: Senator Warner
WASHINGTON: Describing India as a "great power" and a country that prides itself in moral values, powerful American Senator Mark Warner, a long-time advocate of a strong India-US relationship, on Thursday said New Delhi has to choose a side in the Ukrainian war at some point.
Commending India for standing up to the Chinese aggression and its challenge, Senator Warner, the Chairman of the powerful Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, told PTI in an interview that the steps being taken by India vis-a-vis the Ukraine conflict so far are not enough and New Delhi can do more.
"I commend Prime Minister (Narendra) Modi for making that comment in front of (Russian President) Mr. (Vladimir) Putin in Uzbekistan. But one statement in a war that's now over a year old, I think there's more that can be done," Warner said, referring to the PM' this is "not an era of war" assertion.
India has maintained that it stands on the side of peace on the Ukrainian and has expressed willingness to contribute to any peace initiative between Russia dn Ukraine.
He said India is clearly dependent on outside forces for its military weapon supplies and oil needs. "One of the reasons why I think India's transformation to a greener and different energy source is so important. I also think that some of my conversations with ministers and government officials below Prime Minister Modi and (EAM S) Jaishankar, who is also an extraordinarily talented individual, they were a little more candid," said Warner.
He recently returned from India as part of a Congressional delegation that met among others Modi and External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar.
Responding to a question, Warner said that years ago there was even “an unwillingness to choose a side” vis-a-vis China.
"India, because of its own self-interest, and because the Chinese aggression has chosen a side and recognizes that no one wants conflict,…. India's looking for allies that will stand against Chinese aggression, whether it's economic aggression, whether it's military aggression, whether it's how you deal with the Indian Ocean on the Navy side, there has been greater cooperation," he said.
He said India shares historic ties with Russia. "I understand if India were to make the break in terms of continuing to cut down the, the weapons from Russia, they have gotta make sure there was a reliable partner, whether it's the United States or others that would be there if there ever was a conflict, to make sure the Indian military forces could be resupplied,” he said.
"So I understand that tension. And I do believe, a truly great power that India is, and an optimistic power that India is, (standing) on the sidelines when there is such a clear moral choice; no one can watch what's happened in Ukraine, no one can watch the kind of brutal murders that took place in in Ukraine and say that both sides are wrong," he said.
"This is a clear moral challenge in terms of Russian aggression and India prides itself as a country based upon clear moral values," Warner said. "(India), I think can't escape from the fact that at some point is gonna have to choose a side.”
These issues came up during the meetings of the Congressional delegation led by Senator Chuck Schumer with Indian leaders including Prime Minister Narendra Modi and External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar.
Warner said the US delegation's message was heard by the Indian leadership but they "did not indicate any kind of changes in position".
He was travelling India for the first time after COVID-19 with the nine-member Congressional delegation.
"There was enormous confidence. I felt that from the governmental leaders I met with. We had (meetings) both in New Delhi and Mumbai, and many meetings with serious business leaders," he said.
Warner's first trip to India was in 2005 as the Governor of Virginia.
"At that point there was this promise of what India could become. Now, I feel India is realizing that opportunity. So it was great from some of my Senate colleagues who had never been to India before to see it for the first time through their eyes, but also to kind of appreciate how far India has come and whether it's cooperation on military affairs or in terms of cooperation on economic affairs, in terms of how many people have moved up the economic ladder," he said.
Warner said in the past, India was on the path to becoming a great power. “But I feel that that past on the verge of being a great power has transformed to where now India is a great power,” he told PTI.
He said the US can learn from India how to get money delivered to the rural communities without leak.
The Senator from Virginia said that in the delegation's meetings with the prime minister and the external affairs minister the Chinese challenge came up wherein they raised the understandable concerns about China, including border dispute.
Warner praised India for being ahead of most of the rest of the world in recognizing the possible vulnerabilities around Chinese technology.
"The fact that you're excluded Huawei, the fact that you do not allow TikTok in India, those are things that we are moving to in the United States. But India's already taken those steps. I think there was a real understanding that the United States and India need to collaborate not against China, but to recognize that China has expansionist plans throughout South Asia, or China has expansionist plans in Southeast Asia and there needs to be a counterbalance of two democracies that will stand firm not only on defense cooperation, but on values cooperation,” Warner said.
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Someone needs to tell Warner to shut the ****** up and pay more respect to Modi. Modi is the PM of a nation of 1.3 billion people while Warner is only a leader from a state that has a population of 8.5 million.
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The thing about a great power is that it has the freedom to chose for itself and not be compelled by any external power.
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hgupta wrote:Someone needs to tell Warner to shut the ****** up and pay more respect to Modi. Modi is the PM of a nation of 1.3 billion people while Warner is only a leader from a state that has a population of 8.5 million.
These guys have lot of takleef understanding that India has picked a side - it's own
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