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Rudradev wrote:As I said, drawing parallels without distinguishing between campaign statements & governing policies is 'legitimate' only if hyperbole & misdirection rather than clear understanding is the goal.

Governing policies are established by legislation passed, executive branch agency operational guidelines, executive orders, memos and lastly political party platforms. Statements only carry weight when backed by policy. In this instance of the incumbent executive branch, at this time as policy, they have only issued executive orders, agency guidelines as stated in senate confirmation hearings, and party platform. From the nominees and selected for agency heads, it very much demonstrates a commitment to political party platform and statements made in the recent past. The parallel to past behavior is a legitimate comparison, and to assume individuals will not operate as they've stated is flawed reasoning and not hyperbole.
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Probably exhibit one of the kind of fake science informing US government policy with the new administration.

Joe Biden’s First Day Began the End of Girls’ Sports
An executive order rigs competition by requiring that biological boys be allowed to compete against girls.
I say rigged because in contests of strength and speed, the athletic chasm between the sexes, which opens at puberty, is both permanent and unbridgeable. Once male puberty is complete, testosterone suppression doesn’t undo the biological advantages men possess: larger hearts, lungs and bones, greater bone density, more-oxygenated blood, more fast-twitch muscle fiber and vastly greater muscle mass.
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DOJ Weighs Amnesty for Academics With Foreign Ties
Justice Department officials
are weighing an amnesty program under which U.S. academics could reveal past foreign funding without fear of
punishment for their disclosures, according to people familiar with the matter
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Votebank politics of US. At least US should be happy to not be dealing with illegal BDs and rohingyas.
Texas AG sues President Joe Biden over ‘unlawful and perilous’ freeze on the deportation of illegal immigrants: Details
https://www.opindia.com/2021/01/texas-s ... mmigrants/
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According to reports, Texas Attorney Ken Paxton on Friday sued the Biden administration for imposing “unlawful and perilous” 100-day pause on deportations of illegal immigrants. Attorney Ken Paxton has said that the decision of Biden administration would put Americans in danger and violates existing agreements signed between the state and the Department of Homeland Security during the final days of President Donald Trump’s term.

Earlier this week, President Biden soon after swearing in as POTUS had reversed a series of Trump policies and ordered a freeze on deporting immigrants from the interior of the United States. Biden administration had said that they wanted to reassess the operations of US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).
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From what I observe in US,

The politics of US in 2020s went to the level of 1970/80s of Indira. Indira used to group people like KHAM (Kashtrya, Harijan, Adivasi, Muslim coalition) or AHIR blah blah ... where perverse caste coalitions were conjured up to fool people/divide them by castes, create quota within quotas fragmenting the society into bunch of competing caste coalitions. The cynical game of Blacks, colored, Hispanic, Hispanic white, South Asian, Brown, college educated whites etc. is all the same game on how to pit one group against another. They will fail just like IG leading to an emergency kind of situation. Unbelievable that Russians were able to do to US what they did to India
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vera_k wrote:Probably exhibit one of the kind of fake science informing US government policy with the new administration.

Joe Biden’s First Day Began the End of Girls’ Sports
An executive order rigs competition by requiring that biological boys be allowed to compete against girls.
I say rigged because in contests of strength and speed, the athletic chasm between the sexes, which opens at puberty, is both permanent and unbridgeable. Once male puberty is complete, testosterone suppression doesn’t undo the biological advantages men possess: larger hearts, lungs and bones, greater bone density, more-oxygenated blood, more fast-twitch muscle fiber and vastly greater muscle mass.
So what? Please stop being so bigoted, this is not fake science, this is the path to true science. Testosterone suppression may not undo certain biological advantages that "men" possess. The solution however is not to give up on the process, but to perform more scientific research to truly undo those advantages. Scientific progress must not be stopped owing to these regressive notions that people might have carried over from previous centuries. An individual's self-identification is paramount and sacred, the aim of science is to serve and enable it, not to introduce minor quibbles and excuses such as the above. Don't give me a hundred reasons why it can't be done, find a way to make it happen.

It is just the logical continuation of the process of having technology on beck-and-call to make up for any problems which might arise from unbridled enjoyment. Child sensors to detect children in the back seat, so that parents can focus on the truly important cell phones, without having to worry about liabilities arising from leaving that pesky child locked in a hot car. Driverless cars to allow uninterrupted cell phone access. Science progresses to enable enjoyment, after all.

end sarc - this is truly the thinking that is developing in the USA though
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Mort Walker wrote: to assume individuals will not operate as they've stated is flawed reasoning and not hyperbole.
To project how an individual will operate (as Vice President) on the basis of statements she made while she was not even a candidate for the Vice Presidency yet, and further to assume that such statements in isolation can reliably predict the current administration's policies, is tenuous overreach at best. To then draw parallels between such poorly-founded speculation & the very real policies of the Nixon administration is hyperbole by definition.
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Hope not true but if true morons have picked up from where they left off in 2016


https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status ... 4309614594
Assad rapidly becoming the #1 foreign target of the Biden admin. "These guy want to depose him. Syria Syria Syria is all I hear, full on war drums. They talk like they're Alexander the Great," remarked one official
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It may well be true that Biden would attack Syria but in general relying on Jack Posobiec, Ben Shapiro, etc for coverage of his government's policy is the equivalent of relying on Rajdeep Sardesai or Barkha Dutt for news on GOI policy.
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Rudradev wrote:It may well be true that Biden would attack Syria but in general relying on Jack Posobiec, Ben Shapiro, etc for coverage of his government's policy is the equivalent of relying on Rajdeep Sardesai or Barkha Dutt for news on GOI policy.
I hope not true but when you see Samantha power in charge of USAID, Neera Tanden of Office of budget, we can't bet what they will follow
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Rudradev wrote:It may well be true that Biden would attack Syria but in general relying on Jack Posobiec, Ben Shapiro, etc for coverage of his government's policy is the equivalent of relying on Rajdeep Sardesai or Barkha Dutt for news on GOI policy.
No. It's like having Arnab Goswami reporting on Uddhav Thackeray and Sonia Gandhi.
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vijayk wrote:Hope not true but if true morons have picked up from where they left off in 2016


https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status ... 4309614594
Assad rapidly becoming the #1 foreign target of the Biden admin. "These guy want to depose him. Syria Syria Syria is all I hear, full on war drums. They talk like they're Alexander the Great," remarked one official
It will be a clandestine war. "You can fool some people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, you can't fool all of the people all of the time." The US public's tolerance for further foreign wars has been eroded over the last 20 years, so it will take a while to convince them to get in this once again. As much as the incumbents would like to set the clock back to Nov. 2016, it can't be done.
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Mort Walker wrote:
Rudradev wrote:It may well be true that Biden would attack Syria but in general relying on Jack Posobiec, Ben Shapiro, etc for coverage of his government's policy is the equivalent of relying on Rajdeep Sardesai or Barkha Dutt for news on GOI policy.
No. It's like having Arnab Goswami reporting on Uddhav Thackeray and Sonia Gandhi.
Arnab, like him or not, is a genuine journalist. Posobiec & Shapiro don't even pretend to be that. They are sarkari propaganda hacks in the same mould as rNDTV, CNN-News18, or India Today. And just like Rajdeep and Barkha, they will only become more hysterical & unreliable now that the "sarkar" they hold a brief for is no longer in business.
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What America's Forever Wars Will Look Like Under Biden
Many Trumpsters, and some libertarians, foresee disaster: that the man who, as a leading senator facilitated and cheered on the disastrous Iraq War, will surely escalate American adventurism abroad. On the other hand, establishment Democrats and most liberals, who are desperately (and understandably) relieved to see Donald Trump go, find that prediction preposterous. Clearly, Biden must have learned from past mistakes, changed his tune, and should responsibly bring US wars to a close, even if at a time still to be determined.

In a sense, both may prove right—and in another sense, both wrong. The guess of this long-time war-watcher (and one-time war fighter) reading the tea leaves: Expect Biden to both eschew big new wars and avoid fully ending existing ones. At the margins (think Iran), he may improve matters some; in certain rather risky areas (Russian relations, for instance), he could worsen them; but in most cases (the rest of the Greater Middle East, Africa, and China), he’s likely to remain squarely on the status-quo spectrum. And mind you, there’s nothing reassuring about that.

It hardly requires clairvoyance to offer such guesswork. That’s because Biden basically is who he says he is and who he’s always been, and the man’s simply never been transformational. One need look no further than his long and generally interventionist past record or the nature of his current national-security picks to know that the safe money is on more of the same. Whether the issues are war, race, crime, or economics, Uncle Joe has made a career of bending with the prevailing political winds and it’s unlikely this old dog can truly learn any new tricks. Furthermore, he’s filled his foreign policy squad with Obama-Clinton retreads, a number of whom were architects of—if not the initial Iraq and Afghan debacles—then disasters in Libya, Syria, West Africa, Yemen, and the Afghan surge of 2009. In other words, Biden is putting the former arsonists in charge of the forever-war fire brigade.

There’s further reason to fear that he may even reject Trump’s “If Obama was for it, I’m against it” brand of war-on-terror policy-making and thereby reverse The Donald’s very late, very modest troop withdrawals in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Somalia. Yet even if this new old hand of a president evades potentially existential escalation with nuclear Russia or China and offers only an Obama reboot when it comes to persistent low-intensity warfare, what he does will still matter—most of all to the global citizens who are too often its victims.
Historically, foreign-policy paradigm shifts are exceedingly rare, especially when they tack toward peace. Such pivots appear almost impossible once the immense power of America’s military-industrial complex, invested in every way in endless war, as well as endless preparations for future Cold Wars, has reached today’s grotesque level. This is especially so when each and every one of Biden’s archetypal national security nominees has, metaphorically speaking, had his or her mortgage paid by some offshoot of that war industry. In other words, as the muckraking novelist Upton Sinclair used to say, “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!”

Count on tactics including drones, commandos, CIA spooks, and a mostly amenable media to help the Biden administration make war yet more invisible—at least to Americans. Most Trump-detesting and domestically focused citizens will find that just dandy, even if exhausted troopers, military families, and bombed or blockaded foreigners won’t. More than anything, Biden wishes to avoid overseas embarrassments like unexpected American casualties or scandalous volumes of foreign civilian deaths—anything, that is, that might derail his domestic agenda or hoped-for restorative leadership legacy.

That, unfortunately, may prove to be a pipe dream and leads me to two final predictions: Formulaic forever war will never cease boomeranging back home to rot our republican institutions, and neither a celestial God nor secular History will judge Biden the war president kindly.
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Tum Karo toh chamatkar hum kare toh balatkar. :mrgreen:


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And here we thought that crusaders are out and secular scientists are in. Instead all we have is anti islam crusader leading the US.
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Not anti-Islam... anti-non-christian

The fangs are the same.. only variation is in bite force
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Can’t help notice that CNN and other media outlets have stopped displaying large COVID death headlines. In fact just heard some news outlet claiming that death rates are lower than before. California is now lifting the stay at home ban. What exactly changed in a week?
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vimal wrote:Can’t help notice that CNN and other media outlets have stopped displaying large COVID death headlines. In fact just heard some news outlet claiming that death rates are lower than before. California is now lifting the stay at home ban. What exactly changed in a week?
Well scientists figured that positive bias factor wasn't getting enough sugar so they fixed that.

Outright scientific way of handling of issues. Not even one human rights person had any reason to object. Crusading science can't be questioned.
Antifa rioters smash up Tacoma in rampage over cop driving through crowd
https://nypost.com/2021/01/25/antifa-sm ... nto-crowd/
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Heard Biden talk made in America.. Basically trump with in a nicer a way
Ps1:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-s ... d=75462054
President Joe Biden is set to sign a "Made in America" executive order Monday, fulfilling a long-time campaign promise to increase the amount of federal spending that goes to American companies.

The announcement comes at a time when the government is set to spend expansively on efforts to defeat COVID-19, and after a period during which vulnerabilities in the U.S. supply chain were exposed as state and local governments resorted to foreign manufacturers to obtain desperately-needed personal protective equipment.

The federal government spends about $600 billion on contracting per year, and there are already rules in place governing how taxpayer dollars can be spent, how much foreign products can be purchased, and how many foreign components can be brought to the U.S. and assembled here. However, waivers and loopholes allow even more foreign product to be purchased than the rules state.

Biden’s executive order will aim to close those loopholes and cut down on the waivers, as well as order an increase in domestic content. It will also redefine what can count as domestic content, create a public website so U.S. companies can more easily see government contract business and determine whether they could make a more competitive bid for it.

The executive order will also create a new senior role at the Office of Management and Budget to oversee the implementation of these new efforts.

“The goal is to make sure that companies can't undermine or get around the purpose of the Made in America rules by importing largely foreign made products, making modest changes or tweaks on shore that add little value for American workers or American industry, don't actually utilize America's manufacturing capabilities, and will also close loopholes so that content rules drive new opportunities for American businesses and workers,” a senior administration official said on a call with reporters.

President Donald Trump also signed an executive order in April 2017 instructing the government to review federal contracts and minimize waivers to “Buy American” requirements. But the Trump administration did not significantly increase purchases of U.S.-made goods, and a senior Biden administration official criticized the failure:

“... when you look at the outcome, there was no real material change in either the way in which domestic content was measured, the stringency of the domestic content requirements, or the utilization of waivers to the Buy America provisions. So, you know, in practice, nothing happened," the official said.

Much of Biden’s executive order closely echoes the “Buy American” portion of his Build Back Better policy launched during the general election campaign. Biden pledged to crack down on false advertising on made in America products, use of waivers and sought to support small businesses in particular to apply for contracts for procurement needs.

When pressed, however, for a specific target increase in U.S.-made purchasing the administration is hoping to achieve, administration officials did not yet have an answer. It’s up to the Foreign Acquisition Regulation Council to determine how much foreign content is allowable, and how much domestic purchasing is mandatory.

The Biden administration is pitching the “Buy American” plan as an effort to not only help U.S. businesses during the pandemic, but to begin addressing structural inequality in our economy.

“[Monday], he’s going to take a major step toward his goal of rebuilding the backbone of America, manufacturing, unions and the middle class, and it’s based on his that, making sure that we are making things in America and all of America is core to our economic strategy,” a senior administration official said.
ps2:not on wsj main page yet..
my point is not that that is right wrong but this action does not lead to death of globalism ..as was the case with trump...may be i am asking the obvious..
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What changed in a week? Trump is out JObama is in. SIMPLES....
Lock downs end, economy opens. NY and its rulers will be the main clue

on with:
chinese money russia blame

for India:
chinese money pak subversion
cheen paise pak gandh
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Why does this have echoes of 26/11? Insider outsider collusion.
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The US is not very different from us. They also have the very Chankian, "Strategic Patience"
We’ve seen over last few yrs that China is growing more authoritarian at home & more assertive abroad &Beijing is challenging our security,prosperity&values in significant ways that require new US approach.We want to approach it with some strategic patience:White House Press Secy
https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1353874098871394305
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vimal wrote:Why does this have echoes of 26/11? Insider outsider collusion.

Because it is from the same playbook.
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Looks like the goose has been cooked.
There won't be any let up in pressure on the red panda.
JoBi is retaining the yef-bee-eye director handpicked by DT.
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This episode of The Realignment Podcast, featuring the brilliant Eric Weinstein, explains the current political situation in the US better than anything else I've come across.


https://youtu.be/Nak11yXkvqo

Weinstein is a knowledgeable guy indeed. Was surprised to hear him reference Jaiprakash Narayan & the Emergency (!)
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Both Eric and Bret Winstine are the quite smart and knowledgeable.

Bret is the one who was nearly lynched in Evergreen Collage campus in 2017. That is the moment the current insanity on the US came to the surface and took on an all pervasive form of cultural revolution.

Until then it was just beneath the surface and gaining critical mass.

Bret also has podcast on you tube along with his wife Heather.
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I highly recommend Eric Weinstein. The man is a goldmine of knowledge. His background is Mathematics/Physics and he works for trading firms. A joy to listen to.
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vimal wrote:Can’t help notice that CNN and other media outlets have stopped displaying large COVID death headlines. In fact just heard some news outlet claiming that death rates are lower than before. California is now lifting the stay at home ban. What exactly changed in a week?
What changed in California is that governor Newsom is under real threat of a recall due to his ineptitude in managing Covid. Last week was when it became clear that the threat to him was serious.

Lifting the unpopular stay-at-home orders is a way for him to try and appease those that are looking to depose him. I don't think it'll help him, but he is trying to take some of the heat off.
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Biden sets bold timeline for a return to normal life

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/27/politics ... index.html
President Joe Biden's pledge that there will be sufficient vaccines for 300 million Americans by the end of summer represents a bold and politically risky response to criticism his pandemic plan lacks ambition.

In effect, the President is putting a date on a return of a semblance of normal life -- with no guarantee that he can deliver.
If the President succeeds, Tuesday may be remembered as a key turning point in a pandemic exacerbated by the former Trump administration's disastrous response. Should he fall short, the credibility of his new presidency will take a serious hit, that would not only prolong the crisis into another fall and winter but would also hamper his ambitious program on other key issues.
With new; more deadlier strains popping up everyday not sure how US can open. My fear is that politics will again win over science and will lead to disastrous consequences.
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Why I Separated My Indian Identity from My Hindu Identity
At a time when India’s right-wing politicians are trying to define India as a Hindu nation, and when America’s right-wing politicians are deeply invested in Islamophobia, it is more urgent than ever to separate our religious and ethnic identities.

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Kati wrote:Looks like the goose has been cooked.
There won't be any let up in pressure on the red panda.
JoBi is retaining the yef-bee-eye director handpicked by DT.
This is a good move.
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US wakes up to threat of domestic terrorism from homegrown eextremists <<== This is Trump's enduring legacy.

He has put his Bhasmasura Hastha on his father's businesses, the Presidency, Senate Majority, GOP, now USA itself will face a homegrown threat for years to come. Hope Kamala will be his Mohini !
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Cyrano wrote:US wakes up to threat of domestic terrorism from homegrown eextremists <<== This is Trump's enduring legacy.
He has put his Bhasmasura Hastha on his father's businesses, the Presidency, Senate Majority, GOP, now USA itself will face a homegrown threat for years to come. Hope Kamala will be his Mohini !
The author Chidanand Rajghatta belongs to the same liberal gang those who attack Modi and hindus day in and day out in the name of hindutva.
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rahulm wrote:Joe Biden appoints Shanti Kalathil as Coordinator for Democracyhave more and Human Rights in National Security Council

Anybody have more on this lady and her India stance? She is a relative of my ex boss who just posted this news on our WA group.
IMO, "India stance" is not something top US government officials take, analogous to "Russia stance" or "China stance" or "Israel stance." India is not a primary factor. So, I think it would be hard to answer your question directly. It is not as though people like Shanti Kalathil sit around and formulate plans and schemes on, "let's see, how can I harm that bleddy yindoo SDRE country India?" or "Lets see, how can I divert everything in my job to help dear motherland India?" (By all means, I'd love to see if there is any direct evidence like that, I am only speaking in generalities).

We can draw some indirect inferences: Simple Google search shows that she was the honchette for National Endowment for Democracy, which is a well-funded Reagan-era cold war tool for interfering in other countries in the name of democracy. It also shows that they have "projects" in Sri Lanka (probably having to do with supporting LTTE) and Bangladesh (probably related to supporting poor old Khaleda Zia and her Islamist outfits). And Myanmar, getting revenge on Aung San Suu Kyi for taking the Nobel Prize and then giving them the finger. Etc.

Could a woman with such a resume' potentially push for intervention against India in the name of Democracy for Seeeks, Chrischuns, Mose-lems, Cash-meeries, Dull-eets and what have you? Sure. Will she? Probably not because her bosses in the Biden government probably don't care that much about India, so it's not a way to get performance points. If something changes and she tries to get involved in India, will India lie supine and let her? Don't know, but probably not because GoI and its time-serving bureaucrats, under whichever party government, have seen such a movie many many times before.
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KJo wrote:
rahulm wrote:Joe Biden appoints Shanti Kalathil as Coordinator for Democracyhave more and Human Rights in National Security Council

Anybody have more on this lady and her India stance? She is a relative of my ex boss who just posted this news on our WA group.
Her late father's name was "James", so that should tell you what to expect.
It doesn't tell me anything other than that the late James was a Malayali (Probably Syrian) Christian physics professor, according to the obituary link.

What does it tell you?
Mother is from Taipei.
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Rudradev wrote:
Weinstein is a knowledgeable guy indeed. Was surprised to hear him reference Jaiprakash Narayan & the Emergency (!)
I watched the video in full. He is an interesting guy. He is married to Pia Malaney, an economist. I am guessing she is Indian, maybe Sindhi? His Jayaprakash Narayan gyan may have come from her.
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